Election 2016 (USA)

[IdolEyes787]

Except for Bernie Sanders you Americans literally have the worst people imaginable running in your Presidential elections.

I'm not saying this to be funny or disruptive, I just think that courting "the evangelical vote" is sort of akin to letting ISIS fund your campaign.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/03/politics/ted-cruz-drops-out/

Hopefully Clinton will name a good Vice President and then die shortly after being inducted into office.

[megabyteme]

Hopefully Clinton will name a good Vice President and then die shortly after being inducted into office.

This. I've actually said this. Although 'die' is too vague and needs to involve words like "masked men", "truck", "bludgeoned", "televised manhunt, ending in authorities arriving too late", "horrific", "we cannot show the found footage on-air", "still no suspects"...

[IdolEyes787]

Yeah good thinking.They could probably spin that into a reason to attack some country.

[megabyteme]

Conservatives are the ones who start wars here. Not one of our conservatives would be sorry for our 'loss'...

[Skiz]

Except for Bernie Sanders you Americans literally have the worst people imaginable running in your Presidential elections.

I'm not saying this to be funny or disruptive, I just think that courting "the evangelical vote" is sort of akin to letting ISIS fund your campaign.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/03/politics/ted-cruz-drops-out/

Hopefully Clinton will name a good Vice President and then die shortly after being inducted into office.

What would make bernie the exception? He's closer to trump than he is to hillary.

[megabyteme]

What would make bernie the exception? He's closer to trump than he is to hillary.

For me, Sanders is the only good person running- as in I believe he is acting in good faith. Think what you will about socialism, I would *much* rather have a good man be unsuccessful at his (flawed) plan than have a malicious man/woman succeed in a destructive one.

Hillary and Trump are simply *ugly* at their cores.

[IdolEyes787]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

Trump and Clinton as well as most if not all of the others are seekers after power.On the other hand,Sanders was urged to run by ordinary citizens and his primary concern truly seems to lay in helping those citizens.
What's the line about the people who most yearn for power being the least fit to have it?

Plus Clinton has a history of flip-flopping on some pretty major issues so I'm of the opinion her "moral compass" consists entirely of assessing which way the wind blows.

Trump's either crazy or so out of touch with reality that it amounts to the same thing as being crazy.

Sanders has also actually held a job other than rich child, lawyer or boss of me so I assume he would be a little more sympathetic to the problems that most of society has to regularly deal with.

[IdolEyes787]

Think what you will about socialism...

He's succeeding despite his belief in socialism not because of it. If his chief concern was just getting elected then he'd, like Trump. just tell people what they,or at least what he thinks that they want to hear.

By saying that he's a socialist he knows he just alienated 60% of voters right off the bat.

[megabyteme]

Think what you will about socialism...

He's succeeding despite his belief in socialism not because of it. If his chief concern was just getting elected then he'd, like Trump. just tell people what they,or at least what he thinks that they want to hear.

By saying that he's a socialist he knows he just alienated 60% of voters right off the bat.

I actually like quite a bit of what he has to say, but you are correct in saying that he has created an uphill climb for himself. That and targeting all of the corporations and extremely wealthy- nothing fills the coffers of your opponents quicker than saying you will make them pay their taxes.

It pains me that my fellow voting, shared-land inhibitors would so much as entertain the thought of Hillary- yet alone Trump, as our 'leader'. FFS.

[shaina]

For me, Sanders is the only good person running- as in I believe he is acting in good faith. Think what you will about socialism, I would *much* rather have a good man be unsuccessful at his (flawed) plan than have a malicious man/woman succeed in a destructive one.
Hillary and Trump are simply *ugly* at their cores.

Was this said to bait me Meg??

I think you should read between the lines before you make comments like that about Sanders or the people pulling his strings:noes:

[shaina]

Sanders has also actually held a job other than rich child, lawyer or boss of me so I assume he would be a little more sympathetic to the problems that most of society has to regularly deal with.

The problem is his backers, and trying to fix his voters problems is going to make the whole world worse, and cause more problems around the world including the immigration that will end up in the US.

[megabyteme]

For me, Sanders is the only good person running- as in I believe he is acting in good faith. Think what you will about socialism, I would *much* rather have a good man be unsuccessful at his (flawed) plan than have a malicious man/woman succeed in a destructive one.
Hillary and Trump are simply *ugly* at their cores.

Was this said to bait me Meg??

I think you should read between the lines before you make comments like that about Sanders or the people pulling his strings:noes:

Feel free to enlighten us on those backing/pulling his strings...

[shaina]

Was this said to bait me Meg??

I think you should read between the lines before you make comments like that about Sanders or the people pulling his strings:noes:

Feel free to enlighten us on those backing/pulling his strings...

And doing this i will be a target of bigotry, racists and anything you can think of because of my background :D
One thing i will mention is just take a look at his brothers beliefs, and do some actual research on non US Canadian media, and of course read between the lines (part truth and part bullshit!!),
Sanders = imagration that will not help the lives of people who want to live in a peaceful Democracy (and leans on Canada :D, Britain and UK feeling it now, read into Britian's Labour party?? nothing on US or Canadian news?? Amazing isn't it?? And what happened in France Well??)...

Trump= Really who the fuck knows what this guy is really capable of?? I guess it will depend who he puts into the jobs to run the country and national affairs right??

Clinton= Well this can go different ways as well but i do think she has the most experience to run a country, and this could backfire on say my personal interest:whistling, but i think she can understand foreign policy better than anyone, but again what she does with that experience could be like rolling snake-eyes.

The bottom line i am saying is... No matter what President you end up with Meg, What goes on in the rest of the world influences everything, and the wrong reactions can change the way of living.....

Do some research outside of US media Meg... It is very interesting reading on who becomes the next US President:D
EG. how much Longevity do you think Trudeau will have in Canada?? Will see what the future holds on that?? And i thank G-D we have your military on our side, because if we didn't we would be FUCKED!!!!:D(Canada of course:D, not the other place, they do fine on there own:whistling)....

Regards
Shay

PS. Are you going to answer my PM?? Think of Sanders when you do K:D

[megabyteme]

[...]

The bottom line i am saying is... No matter what President you end up with Meg, What goes on in the rest of the world influences everything, and the wrong reactions can change the way of living.....

Do some research outside of US media Meg... It is very interesting reading on who becomes the next US President:D
EG. how much Longevity to you think Trudeau will have in Canada?? Will see what the future holds on that?? And i thank G-D we have your military on our side, because if we didn't we would be FUCKED!!!!:D(Canada of course:D, not the other place, they do fine on there own:whistling)....

Regards
Shay

PS. Are you going to answer my PM?? Think of Sanders when you do K:D

Sanders has a lifetime of being first to stand up for civil rights, so I don't see how this ties to policies that would be counter. You do realize he was raised Jewish, right? Has he done anything anti-semitic? Has he done anything indicating bad choices? His voting record is available on wikipedia- which is actually pretty darn good for humanity, imo.

I will keep your PM in mind, Shay. I don't have a great answer for you. Immigration has always been a hot issue. Religious beliefs affecting lawmaking and political powerbase have been, too. The world is becoming less religious now than it ever has been- people are frequently open about being agnostic or atheist. Spread of information has brought a lot of doubt into people's minds about this topic. I do not see laws being made entirely based upon religion to sweep through the West.

People are fleeing the Middle East because it is a miserable Hellhole. Nobody wants to live where it gets to 120F on a regular basis (sorry, Texans). They want to come where their families can prosper and their resources go further. People *do* bring their beliefs with them- but not everyone who comes is an extremist, nor are their children willing to follow in their beliefs once the have seen other possibilities.

[shaina]

People are fleeing the Middle East because it is a miserable Hellhole. Nobody wants to live where it gets to 120F on a regular basis (sorry, Texans). They want to come where their families can prosper and their resources go further. People *do* bring their beliefs with them- but not everyone who comes is an extremist, nor are their children willing to follow in their beliefs once the have seen other possibilities.

I agree 100% on this Meg... But lets take a scenario into this?? Let a 1000 immigrants into Canada or the US?? and by not proper screening 1 extremist gets in??
now what happens?? Again this can be for any race or religion, but the worst for ideology we know at this time is??
So now that immigrant is in Canada and sends for others?? Now they cross the border into your neck of the woods (Max a few hour drive), now that screws it up for everyone trying to live in peace correct..
And the big problem is if the child in question is raised in a Democracy and you have Parents religious beliefs that are not changed to a domestic life?? is that child safe?? not a bloody chance!!,so why would the parents take that chance to poison there beliefs?? and the question is on the PM?? Why would a true believer of sharia law want to live in a Democracy State or Country??
And Arab Christian ??Yes and getting slaughtered in the middle east, a non conforming Sharia Law Muslim?? getting slaughtered in the Middle East, that i can see wanting to come to America and having a better life, but going through the laws of Sharia and looking at radical religion in perspective?? I am sorry i can't see a better life.. So Why Move?? In theory, your live should not me in danger nor your way of life in jeopardy?? So that answer is puzzling to me??

Then i thought?? We have pockets of Mennonites and Amish in Ontario?? Again they choose to live in Canada free to live the way they want:D, and yet if one of there offspring decide to leave the way of living?? what do the parents do about that?? I would assume nothing because you don't hear of any arms of heads cut off in those groups?? And again they still have to abide by the laws legislated in the country they chose to live in and that would be that...

Does that work for Sharia Law??
If they see a women driving a car does that give them the right to stand in front of that car and beat her??
If they take over and have a small town in London (happening in parts of Quebec right now!!) with everyone believing in Sharia Law and a women stops for gas in the town can he Take the car away from her and beat her??
Can there laws supersede the laws of the Democratic Country??
They would have to if that is there belief correct??
Very Interesting and scary Questions Meg, so if you are safe in your own country and want to live a Sharia Law lifestyle why leave??

I know if my life was in danger in Saudi Arabia because i chose not to conform (Again Dictatorship not Democracy), how long would it take before i took my family out of there??(That is as long as i wasn't killed first for choosing a different way of living??), I can say they would be things left behind because it would take too long to move!!!

Now you could say there is different interpretations of Sharia Law?? again the main ingredient is always there, conform or pay the consequences..
Meg it is not a subject of Question?? It is the question why?? No fear no danger in your home land?? Why??

[megabyteme]

People are fleeing the Middle East because it is a miserable Hellhole. Nobody wants to live where it gets to 120F on a regular basis (sorry, Texans). They want to come where their families can prosper and their resources go further. People *do* bring their beliefs with them- but not everyone who comes is an extremist, nor are their children willing to follow in their beliefs once the have seen other possibilities.

I agree 100% on this Meg... But lets take a scenario into this?? Let a 1000 immigrants into Canada or the US?? and by not proper screening 1 extremist gets in??
now what happens?? Again this can be for any race or religion, but the worst for ideology we know at this time is??
So now that immigrant is in Canada and sends for others?? Now they cross the border into your neck of the woods (Max a few hour drive), now that screws it up for everyone trying to live in peace correct..
And the big problem is if the child in question is raised in a Democracy and you have Parents religious beliefs that are not changed to a domestic life?? is that child safe?? not a bloody chance!!,so why would the parents take that chance to poison there beliefs?? and the question is on the PM?? Why would a true believer of sharia law want to live in a Democracy State or Country??
And Arab Christian ??Yes and getting slaughtered in the middle east, a non conforming Sharia Law Muslim?? getting slaughtered in the Middle East, that i can see wanting to come to America and having a better life, but going through the laws of Sharia and looking at radical religion in perspective?? I am sorry i can't see a better life.. So Why Move?? In theory, your live should not me in danger nor your way of life in jeopardy?? So that answer is puzzling to me??

Then i thought?? We have pockets of Mennonites and Amish in Ontario?? Again they choose to live in Canada free to live the way they want:D, and yet if one of there offspring decide to leave the way of living?? what do the parents do about that?? I would assume nothing because you don't hear of any arms of heads cut off in those groups?? And again they still have to abide by the laws legislated in the country they chose to live in and that would be that...

Does that work for Sharia Law??
If they see a women driving a car does that give them the right to stand in front of that car and beat her??
If they take over and have a small town in London (happening in parts of Quebec right now!!) with everyone believing in Sharia Law and a women stops for gas in the town can he Take the car away from her and beat her??
Can there laws supersede the laws of the Democratic Country??
They would have to if that is there belief correct??
Very Interesting and scary Questions Meg, so if you are safe in your own country and want to live a Sharia Law lifestyle why leave??

I know if my life was in danger in Saudi Arabia because i chose not to conform (Again Dictatorship not Democracy), how long would it take before i took my family out of there??(That is as long as i wasn't killed first for choosing a different way of living??), I can say they would be things left behind because it would take too long to move!!!

Now you could say there is different interpretations of Sharia Law?? again the main ingredient is always there, conform or pay the consequences..
Meg it is not a subject of Question?? It is the question why?? No fear no danger in your home land?? Why??

You seem to want to ignore all the other possibilities with the one answer you have in mind: taking over/invading/destroying. There are various reasons why families would choose to immigrate to the west. Not all of them are sinister. All religions do work to spread their beliefs- look at how 'helpful' Christianity has been in Africa. Pilgrims headed West look how successful that group was...

I don't stay awake at night fearing this any more than I do 'A billion Chinese marching from China', the Russians invading, or Jews controlling the money supp... Shit! ;)

[shaina]

Sanders has a lifetime of being first to stand up for civil rights, so I don't see how this ties to policies that would be counter. You do realize he was raised Jewish, right? Has he done anything anti-semitic? Has he done anything indicating bad choices? His voting record is available on wikipedia- which is actually pretty darn good for humanity, imo.

Again some things can be smoke and mirrors Like Trump...

To get votes Trump is now saying in Israel now has the rights to build in the West Bank settlements?? I am a Jew i can say until the lines are truly drawn it is a very big mistake for Israel to do that!!! Now does that make me a trader to my people?? Maybe some would look at it that way:D
But in reality to me it is an instigation, and really is not helping to keep the calm there until there is some sort of solution to fix it. Now is that going to happen in my lifetime?? Who really knows, but it is like the Hatfields and the Mccoys, they both have to take loses (not human of course), to make gains.. But the biggest problem is COEXISTENCE!!, as i have and always will say there is wrongs on both sides, but Hate!! has to stop everywhere!!!

Now For Bernie?? You can read all the US media you want on this guy, he is a puppet, the shots of the majority rallies this guy has is Terrorist sympathizers. The photos are taken of Hamas and Hezbollah Flags and BDS shirts ( His brother is a part of), and Do you really think you can be a Jew and not hate them at the same time?? Grow UP!! I am not in love with all of them either and Christians are all not in love with the Pope LOL!!
I mean it is happening in Towns in Britain now, for some of these people to stay in politics in there area they have joined well known Terrorist sympathizers (documented not because who i am!!), for fear of there jobs, and guessing Israel Jewish hatters as well!!!
It just really amazes me that it is not only Jews that live in Israel?? If the Palestinians did recover some of the the land back from Israel ?? What would they do to the Christians and other religious people living there?? Just ask what they did to the Churches in Gaza and West Bank??Oh Ya!!! They don't exist anymore?? I wonder why?? It's Israel and the Jewish people's fault right?? LOL!!!
But this guy is in bed with a lot of bad people and Because he is not Trumps running mate i can see why this never came out on the US side of media/news:D
Nobody has ever campaigned like Trump before, and Clinton is not built that way....
So Yes he is Jewish and i wouldn't vote for him in a million years!!!
Hillary is not a Puppet so what ever happens, happens right??

[megabyteme]

Go ahead and post links from these 'non-US sources' with hidden info. The difference between Trump and Sanders is that Sanders has a true history of his voting record and his direct participation in civil rights all the way back to the 60's. Trump has nothing; Hillary has nothing but scandal and corruption.

[shaina]

You seem to want to ignore all the other possibilities with the one answer you have in mind: taking over/invading/destroying. There are various reasons why families would choose to immigrate to the west. Not all of them are sinister. All religions do work to spread their beliefs- look at how 'helpful' Christianity has been in Africa. Pilgrims headed West look how successful that group was...
I don't stay awake at night fearing this any more than I do 'A billion Chinese marching from China', the Russians invading, or Jews controlling the money supp... Shit! ;)

Sure Meg... But you want someone in charge that does the worrying for you:D

It is been proven/factual that there is a Religion/Cult that is spreading in Africa, Philippine's and other distressed countries believing it will help them (brainwashed like in any cult), you just seem to forget all the weak minded people in the world, be it starving or poor, that can be manipulated into believing anything..
Would you live in a refugee camp with your wife and children knowing you could leave anytime you wanted and better yourself?? Or would you stay there for 40 years on beliefs that someone is going to make it better??
And i can tell you it scares me...
The biggest problem is not fear, it is facing reality....

PS. and on the last one:D That shouldn't scare you, no one in your country is smart enough to do a better job LOL!! Or wouldn't you think they would have it:lol:

[shaina]

Go ahead and post links from these 'non-US sources' with hidden info. The difference between Trump and Sanders is that Sanders has a true history of his voting record and his direct participation in civil rights all the way back to the 60's. Trump has nothing; Hillary has nothing but scandal and corruption.

That's what makes News in the US my friend, and i said read between the lines on Foreign News(including Russia that's hates the US and Israel LOL!!)
Sanders is a Putz and a puppet, do you really think he doesn't have advisers that help??
Meg you can vote for anyone you want, it is your right...But before you jump at me to post things ?? trust your judgment and being an intelligent person do your own research on your Presidential candidates (plus this is all crap because Sanders is not going to beat Clinton anyways:D), And anyone supposedly running the country (don't forget the advisers Kerry for instance:rolleyes:), you hope has the best interest of life, and foreign policy is very important for that freedom..

I feel safe when i hear stories like this yet a small blurb on news media (was in the Florida newspapers, But gotta keep the Iran deal safe i guess:idunno:, and this happens all the time , but if you don't read in the right places Meg you feel safe:D)
Follow the nice link:D

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.717538

PS. And Sanders is not Pro anything until the puppeteer pulls his strings, Is that the same for Clinton and Trump??

And Americans remember the scandals, not the 10 things not reported in US news that saved lives, Just like the Iran deal (still selling arms to Terrorists around the world )??? Obama's legacy right?? When that goes sideways what happens to legacy's:idunno:

Read this:D Trust, working at its best:D This is you guys but Israel will get blamed in some way:whistling


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/05/world/middleeast/iran-us-relations-persian-gulf.html?_r=0

[shaina]

Also,Shay.So this is what a psychotic break looks like?Interesting.
Really though basically I'm conflicted for as much as I hate political stuff I still hate it less than English football stuff.

Is English football really Rugby??:unsure:
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As for the political breakdown?? The question is even if you think you are voting for the right person to Run the country?? will your dreams come true??
Really the face that you see that they say is the leader and in charge?? Or is it just a face behind the people holding the strings??
Every election Promises , Promises , Promises?? it would be great if one of the three promises are actually a reality :D
That is why debating some things be it on this tread or in the so called lounge/the drawing room??

Who here really wants to participate?? Who has the balls to suggest solutions or rant there pet peeves??
It is amazing that some people have things to say yet afraid to put it in words on the screen??

If i posted this question in the drawing room??
All around the world why do "radical sharia muslims choose to live in democracy countries or states??"
What would be the impression of myself ??

[whatcdfan]

Somebody should go in there in kill a bunch satirists or better yet a bunch of innocent young people and really teach those Frogs a lesson.

That will do but I've got a better idea. Let's carve out countries within the countries. Let's portray oppressed as the bully and oppressor as the victim. Let's carry out a systematical genocide. Let's plant an idea within the peoples mind that the captives have done something to have deserved this. Let's just terminate them to have all the resources for ourselves. Let's not teach anybody a lesson, Let's accomplish it quietly and swiftly. Let's just live only for pleasure till eternity and let's not give a fuck about the expense it comes on.

[IdolEyes787]

Better yet let's all be Iceland because seriously those albino bastards have got it all figured out.

Either that our we could just get rid of religion.

Two things I've noticed, ever since the inception of Instagram the standard of what passes for beautiful seems to have dropped precipitously and religion as a whole has contributed to far,far,farrrrrrr more harm than good.

[megabyteme]

Somebody should go in there in kill a bunch satirists or better yet a bunch of innocent young people and really teach those Frogs a lesson.

That will do but I've got a better idea. Let's carve out countries within the countries. Let's portray oppressed as the bully and oppressor as the victim. Let's carry out a systematical genocide. Let's plant an idea within the peoples mind that the captives have done something to have deserved this. Let's just terminate them to have all the resources for ourselves. Let's not teach anybody a lesson, Let's accomplish it quietly and swiftly. Let's just live only for pleasure till eternity and let's not give a fuck about the expense it comes on.

USA! USA! USA! I always knew you were an imperialist, WhatCD!

Still doesn't address anything Idol said, but I do like the 'Merkin spirit in you. Let it floooow through you!

[IdolEyes787]

Still doesn't address anything Idol said....

I've come to accept the fact that on FST at least, never has, never will.

Probably some relevant point here about concentrating on fixing your own problems because you can't decide what other people choose to do but arsed if can think of it.

[whatcdfan]

Better yet let's all be Iceland because seriously those albino bastards have got it all figured out.

:glag:


Two things I've noticed, ever since the inception of Instagram the standard of what passes for beautiful seems to have dropped precipitously and religion as a whole has contributed to far,far,farrrrrrr more harm than good.

Occupying somebody's territory and carrying out a genocide has more to do with the Capitalism and Racism then with the religion. Well except for Jews maybe cuz they consider themselves as flash and blood sons of the God and thus all his creation is their property.

As for the religion, yeah I don't blame you for having such stance cuz instead of reaping the benefits of justice/equality which religion dispense, west was exploited and betrayed by the evil institution called church,hence the irritation. But that's not always the case, Arabs are a prime example of it. In the Pre-Islamic era, Arabs were nothing but just a bunch of insignificant nomads that had nothing to contribute to the human progress, how Islam has transformed them into a civilization, created a just social order based on equality and fraternity which paved the way for learning and development with which they attained unbelievable success. Ever since the 15th century the level of faith among the Muslims have gone down gradually and see where it has brought them. Also I recall a very good verse from the Koran


Oh Prophet! The alterations that they've made to the faith I sent upon Jesus, If I will tell you the consequences which will be revealed, you will suffocate to death

After 14 centuries now I'm seeing the consequences. Countries dismantled, entire generations lost, mass movements, exiles, bloodshed, wars, only the value of the material stands and all things human lost, it's all under the command of the west fighting for the pillars of it's idea of civilization, Capitalism and Sexism.

Salaheddin also fought the west and won and the propaganda wars were hot even then. Instead of being termed as a terrorist he earned the respect of the people he fought because he did it the "Islamic way".

Also, thinking Islam is only a religion is a mistake, it's a civilization i.e it not only tells you how to worship God but it also has regulations for all aspects of human life and it also has the charter of rights for the people that choose not to be Muslims, one of which is the freedom to worship any God you wish and even on the public places.

P.S We were discussing racism not religion, right?

[IdolEyes787]

It's a good substitute for disgusting since they couldn't take a picture of her soul.

Whatever happens I think whoever is next President should create a position where a guy just goes around punching people like this in the face with impunity.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/entertainment/peta-files-formal-complaint-over-tiger-display-at-bieber-party-1.2889327

They can add Bieber and his father to the list.

[IdolEyes787]

:glag:


Two things I've noticed, ever since the inception of Instagram the standard of what passes for beautiful seems to have dropped precipitously and religion as a whole has contributed to far,far,farrrrrrr more harm than good.

Occupying somebody's territory and carrying out a genocide has more to do with the Capitalism and Racism then with the religion. Well except for Jews maybe cuz they consider themselves as flash and blood sons of the God and thus all his creation is their property.

As for the religion, yeah I don't blame you for having such stance cuz instead of reaping the benefits of justice/equality which religion dispense, west was exploited and betrayed by the evil institution called church,hence the irritation. But that's not always the case, Arabs are a prime example of it. In the Pre-Islamic era, Arabs were nothing but just a bunch of insignificant nomads that had nothing to contribute to the human progress, how Islam has transformed them into a civilization, created a just social order based on equality and fraternity which paved the way for learning and development with which they attained unbelievable success. Ever since the 15th century the level of faith among the Muslims have gone down gradually and see where it has brought them. Also I recall a very good verse from the Koran


Oh Prophet! The alterations that they've made to the faith I sent upon Jesus, If I will tell you the consequences which will be revealed, you will suffocate to death

After 14 centuries now I'm seeing the consequences. Countries dismantled, entire generations lost, mass movements, exiles, bloodshed, wars, only the value of the material stands and all things human lost, it's all under the command of the west fighting for the pillars of it's idea of civilization, Capitalism and Sexism.

Salaheddin also fought the west and won and the propaganda wars were hot even then. Instead of being termed as a terrorist he earned the respect of the people he fought because he did it the "Islamic way".

Also, thinking Islam is only a religion is a mistake, it's a civilization i.e it not only tells you how to worship God but it also has regulations for all aspects of human life and it also has the charter of rights for the people that choose not to be Muslims, one of which is the freedom to worship any God you wish and even on the public places.

P.S We were discussing racism not religion, right?

Faith is both a wonderful and a terrible thing depending entirely where you place it.

Btw I've seen both Kingdom of Heaven and Lawrence of Arabia like 14 times each so I'm basically an expert on who carries the most blame when it comes to the Middle East.

[IdolEyes787]

P.S We were discussing racism not religion, right?

Discussing because those are two of the few things that you can't reasonably debate.

[whatcdfan]

Faith is both a wonderful and a terrible thing depending entirely where you place it.

Couldn't grasp that but all I know is that Faith helps, one with faith would think twice before making a decision because he believes that he will be held accountable for their deeds. Well except for if a society makes a statue of faith then often then not people use it as a cover for their evil acts.

[whatcdfan]

Discussing because those are two of the few things that you can't reasonably debate.

Well said Idol, well said, it can't be said any better.

[JPaul]

"Also, thinking Islam is only a religion is a mistake, it's a civilization i.e it not only tells you how to worship God but it also has regulations for all aspects of human life and it also has the charter of rights for the people that choose not to be Muslims, one of which is the freedom to worship any God you wish and even on the public places."

That's just mad talk.

Anyone who isn't a mentalist knows there are only two option.

No God or one God.

I am happy to accept and respect either position, however loads of Gods, that doesn't even make sense. How can you have more than one supreme being.

[whatcdfan]

USA! USA! USA! I always knew you were an imperialist, WhatCD!

Just because I don't sideline with the terrorists, you termed me as Imperialist. I truly feel embarrassed.

Also, I don't sideline with the terrorists because unlike them I wouldn't get paid in Dollars.

[whatcdfan]

That's just mad talk.

Anyone who isn't a mentalist knows there are only two option.

No God or one God.

I am happy to accept and respect either position, however loads of Gods, that doesn't even make sense. How can you have more than one supreme being.

You totally misunderstood what I said. Who said anything about more then one God? All I said is that Islam gives rights to the Non-Muslims to practice their faith.

And yeah if you look closely in the operations of the universe, you will realize that it can't have two decision makers. It has to be solely owned and operated.

[shaina]

That will do but I've got a better idea. Let's carve out countries within the countries. Let's portray oppressed as the bully and oppressor as the victim. Let's carry out a systematical genocide. Let's plant an idea within the peoples mind that the captives have done something to have deserved this. Let's just terminate them to have all the resources for ourselves. Let's not teach anybody a lesson, Let's accomplish it quietly and swiftly. Let's just live only for pleasure till eternity and let's not give a fuck about the expense it comes on.

Interesting thoughts Cdfan......

[shaina]

You totally misunderstood what I said. Who said anything about more then one God? All I said is that Islam gives rights to the Non-Muslims to practice their faith. .

Would this not fall into any faith?? Usually no faith/following would ever refuse you, but maybe some faiths have different rolls for you??

[IdolEyes787]

Discussing because those are two of the few things that you can't reasonably debate.

Well said Idol, well said, it can't be said any better.

Mary thinks I'm a genius but to be fair, it's Mary.

[shaina]

God
That's just mad talk.
Anyone who isn't a mentalist knows there are only two option.
No God or one God.

Ok JPaul lets agree with this?? So who is the one G-D??

Edit.. Myself being a part time Canadian Atheist n all....

[megabyteme]

USA! USA! USA! I always knew you were an imperialist, WhatCD!

Just because I don't sideline with the terrorists, you termed me as Imperialist. I truly feel embarrassed.

Also, I don't sideline with the terrorists because unlike them I wouldn't get paid in Dollars.

I was agreeing with you, BTW. Everything you described was the imperialist mentality and the very foundation of how our country was rooted. I have a fair amount of sympathy for the fight against Israel (not that I am against Jews, let me say that). The US (UN, whatever they were before) had no right to 'give' that land away. The amount of bloodshed over that fucking area and all of the ancillary backlash is ridiculous. Flip a fucking coin and they either go or stay. If Israel loses, they can have a patch of land inside Arizona or Nevada. At least the US has the right to give that land away.

[shaina]

I was agreeing with you, BTW. Everything you described was the imperialist mentality and the very foundation of how our country was rooted. I have a fair amount of sympathy for the fight against Israel (not that I am against Jews, let me say that). The US (UN, whatever they were before) had no right to 'give' that land away. The amount of bloodshed over that fucking area and all of the ancillary backlash is ridiculous. Flip a fucking coin and they either go or stay. If Israel loses, they can have a patch of land inside Arizona or Nevada. At least the US has the right to give that land away.

First off the land was not given it was fought for just like where you live and where i live now, to me that is a pretty naive statement you made?? If you mean that the United Nations recognized Israel as a Democracy State?? Well what is the USA??....And the The Egyptians and Jordanians (there was no such people, Palestinians were formed by Arafat?? (If you challenge that please do??) had a chance to fight side by side in three wars and decided to be manipulated by other parts of the middle east to leave and live in refugee camps (hundreds of thousands and never allowed citizenship or immigration status in those Arab countries or lands, and even today, still in camps 60(aprox) years and still waiting for the Jews to be gone, consider it failed promises of hope from the countries they are hostages in now, there own people) and then once the Jews were destroyed, they could go back and live Jew free in Palestine.. Hens there justification of right of return. And you better realize reality, and understand the fight is not just for the land, it is to remove the Jewish population out of the Middle East, Like it or not, and we are your Allies Meg:D
And Reality is.... That is never going to happen, but if you want to give the Palestinians sympathy, fight for there own Brethren that have room in there lands to take them in and make a better life for themselves...

The truth is the Palestinians are used as pawns for the whole Muslim nation and they always have, hundreds of thousands of Muslims are killed every day, be it Americans, Russians, or there own people killing each other, but oh my G=D Israel kills 3 Palestinians(And it could have been a Muslim in the IDF that did it but it is the Jews fault not Israel), holy shit Israel is plastered all over North American news, but right now Israel just found 2 tunnels going from the Gaza strip under the fence into Israel, and there are there for really good intentions right?? Now you watch American media on Thursday and nothing really on the tunnels but Israel was Tank shelling into Gaza, but the five rockets from Hamas (really another group but Hamas is in charge of Gaza which everyone around the world including Muslims know them as a terrorist group!!), while Israel was locating the tunnels, investigating and destroying them near the fence and they were firing from Gaza because the tunnels were found Doh!!...Yet this all started Tuesday and Wednesday, but not reported until Israel sent fighter jets in to destroy the targets/threats...
I will say and i have in other posts Israel is no Angel !!!, and what they are doing in the west bank is not helping there cause nor do i agree what they are doing..All the Jews were kicked out of Gaza period, The Palestinians turned it into a toilet seat, there choice, and still keep trying to kill there neighbors on both sides, and don't be fooled a lot of the Arab world knows this and choose not to have the headaches and now are moving to Israel's side...Go figure..
Reality is.. Israel will never loose, and instead of waiting another 60 years like they have it is time to move on, and better there lives...
And you want a chance of peace... recognize Israel has the right to exist, have peace and calm, maybe if that happens The Hatfields and the Mccoys can live side by side, but give them a Port with no Israeli security ?? Iran will give them weapons to kill Jews, give them an Airport Iran will fly in weapons, they are so stupid they try to hide the weapons in the goods inspected through the Israeli border now , and Egypt just closes there border period....Another Reality Check.... Israel could wipe out the Gaza and the West Bank in one day (Fact!!), yet they don't, sometimes you have to ask yourself?? What country or nation would tolerate always being under threat?? Why not just kill them all and take over the land or push them into other Muslim countries?? Well killing them all is not humane is it?? But if you are in camps already in other Muslim countries why are you waiting 60 years for your so called right of return not happening?? Time to move on like the Jews did and every other race.....
I just can't understand why people can't comprehend, regardless what happens in Israel there will never be calm in the Middle East...They hate western culture!!
And Meg why don't you give that same invitation to the Palestinians to move or give them immigration status to live in Arizona or Nevada where there already is a Jewish population there as well other race and religions?? Why doesn't your US government override all the so called Jews that supposedly run your County?? Won't that bring peace?? They would refuse that, live in camps or Live in poverty next to Israel and try to kill Jews, That is there DNA(And there leaders Charter but now, not All Muslims feel the same)..where Israel wants to protect all of it's citizens not matter what race, religion, or color, or choice of partners, including recruits in the IDF to protect there way of life. What about the Muslims in the IDF(The Quran in there hands while they are swore in the IDF by the way) that fight to protect Israel? Shit that doesn't sound right:rolleyes:
And i do appreciate you offering the invitation Meg, but that is not going to solve the problems in the Middle East...

Cdfan... I don't hate anyone enough(I hope you are the same) to pick up a knife with the intent to kill, and even if i did i know the difference between right and wrong. Is it where i was raised in a Democracy?? It could be,Would i teach and let my kids go out and do it?? Heck No!!, but i could be considered a bigot, racists or a plain asshole but the knife i use for cutting my food, not stab human beings , but if someone would try to do it to me or my family, i can say it would not be in there best interest, and if was put in that position , i would put myself in front, and my children behind away from harms way, and that has nothing to do with religion!!! that has to do with common sense and my families lives are cherished...

The little peanut called Israel was a piece of dessert.... What about now?? The PLO and Hamas are given Billions of dollars for there people, what is there to show for it?? what do they give the world?? That is not just my beliefs that is proven Facts!!

Peace and Calm/Recognition will make everyone happy:D

Edit.. You know Meg i read your post over and over and i know you won't respond to mine, but when you read this, i hope you can respect this war was never about land, it is about the Jews , and it always was........Israel, Jerusalem and many other holy places in Israel are never ever mentioned in the Quran?? What about the Christian bible and the Torah??
Where really is the connection?? There is none, If you look at pictures of the Wailing Wall, considered one of the most holy places in Judaism Faith, (Yours i would think Bethlehem where Jesus was born), on the side where the holy Hebs pray it is kept pristine on the other side where the Palestinians live, graffiti and garbage everywhere(Israel is constantly cleaning and removing graffiti, and a lot of my friends that traveled there have seen it in person ) , if they ever got ruling powers, all that history and heritage would be turned to shit because they have no interest in it.....
Not using it as a excuse, but as i said it is not the land they really want, Iran and Arming/Funding terrorists proves that every day the Jews exists in Israel and the Middle East.. The Palestinians(Arafat contribution), has always been the pawns to fight a fight they can never win, and that i do feel bad about, there are innocent people caught in the middle of this shit.
You can see i am Human, but i don't want the Jews exterminated either...

Regards
Shay

[megabyteme]

Good gawd that's a lot of letters all strung together. :O

The need for a Jewish homeland is certainly justified. The way in which the West decided to disrespect the 'then' landholders was a massive screw you. If the Jews absolutely had to have that particular land (yeah, there's reason), then the West shold have respectfully negotiated with those in the area. Instead, a resolution was passed, which completely spat upon those there. That insult has not gone away.

I'm absolutely not against the Jews, but see this as a multifaceted clusterfuck that will not heal. Countless lives have been lost, as well as endless worldwide conflict has resulted. A patch of fucking dirt isn't worth the trouble that it has caused. Get everyone out of there and nuke the whole fucking area. Make it glass for the next 1000 years. :idunno:

[shaina]

Good gawd that's a lot of letters all strung together. :O
The need for a Jewish homeland is certainly justified. The way in which the West decided to disrespect the 'then' landholders was a massive screw you. If the Jews absolutely had to have that particular land (yeah, there's reason), then the West shold have respectfully negotiated with those in the area. Instead, a resolution was passed, which completely spat upon those there. That insult has not gone away.
I'm absolutely not against the Jews, but see this as a multifaceted clusterfuck that will not heal. Countless lives have been lost, as well as endless worldwide conflict has resulted. A patch of fucking dirt isn't worth the trouble that it has caused. Get everyone out of there and nuke the whole fucking area. Make it glass for the next 1000 years. :idunno:

Here is another one.... You said you like to read LOL!!...
You know what Meg... Myself being a Part time Atheist, blowing up the area may not be a bad idea, but just give warning to the people there get out by this date or you are dead. I can tell you if the threat came from the US?? I guarantee the Jews and Christians would be out of there!!!, and could blend in anywhere in a Democracy country or State:D(sorry that deserved a smile face), but i can guarantee the Palestinians would not leave and end up dying, again part of there DNA

But just some info for you...
Israel Wars...
Golan Heights-Won from Syria and offered part of it back, now a huge buffer zone with lots of land undeveloped (and in question if it is considered part of Israel )

Gaza- Won from Egypt war offered it back didn't want the responsibility of the people living it( then Camps of now Palestinians )
The West Bank- Won from Jordan more than 80% of the land is undeveloped and the majority to be for a Palestinian State, but it could never completely be given to them because it is a Part of Jerusalem and they know what that means to the Jewish people Hatfield and Mccoys shit LOL!!

Gaza once had Jews living there and Israel in a land negotiation was given to the Palestinians in swap (approved on both sides), all the Jews were kicked out.

So the land division is very tricky Meg because it was actually smaller until Israel won the wars and expanded it, hens 1939-1967 borders bla bla..
The new Palestinian people do deserve to live free and without what they call occupation? but in my eyes i would call it more defense against threats
There are no Jews living in Gaza or Part of the West-Bank but because of the threats(happening as we speak now) and being so close together, the security for Israel is also imposed there(which i would think makes sense or the Jews are dead!!)...Plus all the water and Electricity is supplied from Israel at no charge, but that is supposed to change.

It is so complex that even if the PLO leaders(who are secured and guarded by the IDF LOL!!) and Israel sat down (No Hamas considering there charter is to kill every Jew on the planet (In there interpretation of the Quran or something??), but they are elected leader of Gaza), If Israel even gave them all the land they wanted it would not be good enough, especially if the Jews have leaders in Israel....

To me it really is a Lose Lose situation, and very sad..
But again it is not going to stop Terrorism in the Middle East, Assad is Russia and Iran's boy toy, this fuckin guy with the help of his friends are really committing genocide(Palestinians in camps there as well) !! Nothing to do with Israel, but mention the name and yup there fault LOL!!
Bin Laden hated the west, never attacked Israel but there fault anyways
Saddam Hussein WE (Israel l) saved your guys ass when Israel allegedly went in and bombed the nuclear plant(your guys were pretty shocked when Israel pulled it off), lots of documented videos on that, you should watch it quite amazing what they pulled off, but oh ya Israels fault


To me that is really fucked up, and i don't think in my life time there will be a solution, but i do really hope there is and everyone can live in peace..

And thank you for the reply, it was appreciated.....

And if you think i was wrong in anything i said or don't agree with it please say something?? You would never ever offend me:D

[shaina]

Zionism or Zionist....
a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel. It was established as a political organization in 1897 under Theodor Herzl, and was later led by Chaim Weizmann.

I am trying to figure out why on some blogs on the internet where they get the idea that only Jews are to live in Israel using the Zionists excuse??
Yes it is a Democracy run by Jews in the Middle East, but where do people get the idea that other races or religions are banned or rejected Israeli citizenship...
To me being raised in Canada and living in a Democracy, i would think you have every nationality or race should be given a chance/right for citizenship in that country or state if they choose??
Seeing some blogs make Israel out to be for Jews only?? Yet there are Christians, Muslims, citizens in Israel. So does that mean the concept of Zionism doesn't work or is a failure??. To myself the word Zionism really has no meaning other than any Jew has the right to live in the home land of Israel??
So wouldn't that be the same in Canada or USA?? if you apply and are a good human being, Israel does not refuse citizenship, and being in the Middle East is there any other place that has the same concept?? Even under a different name than Zionism is there??
That to me is very interesting...

[JPaul]

"... one of which is the freedom to worship any God you wish ..."

How can anyone write that and not understand that to worship any God you wish can only mean there is more than one.

Which there isn't of course, it really is a binary option, 0 or 1.

Unless you are a Hindu of course, but as I understand it the author is a monotheist of some description.

[shaina]

"... one of which is the freedom to worship any God you wish ..."
How can anyone write that and not understand that to worship any God you wish can only mean there is more than one.
Which there isn't of course, it really is a binary option, 0 or 1.
Unless you are a Hindu of course, but as I understand it the author is a monotheist of some description.

So how do you know if you are praying to the right G-D?
The day someone up there gives you the answer JPaul , go buy a lottery ticket as fast as you can:D

[JPaul]

"... one of which is the freedom to worship any God you wish ..."
How can anyone write that and not understand that to worship any God you wish can only mean there is more than one.
Which there isn't of course, it really is a binary option, 0 or 1.
Unless you are a Hindu of course, but as I understand it the author is a monotheist of some description.

So how do you know if you are praying to the right G-D?
The day someone up there gives you the answer JPaul , go buy a lottery ticket as fast as you can:D

Which part of there being either no God or one God is it you are finding difficult to understand.

It's not that difficult a concept.

[whatcdfan]

I'm not normally opposed to Arabs doing Arab stuff, even in the 'West'

You've a open heart for all humans alike, I'm already aware of it as we have had these discussions in the past too. Common folks like you and Idol at least have the balls to stand and say the just no matter what the consequences, I'll tell you MBM it takes a lot of courage to do that. And you are not alone, there are millions and millions like you in the west as well as in Arabia. These motherfucking Capitalists and sexists have made our lives hell for their desire to have more then everyone else.


If Israel loses, they can have a patch of land inside Arizona or Nevada. At least the US has the right to give that land away.

West has a vested interest(s) in the Zionist state. Primary motive to carve out a nation for Jews was because west had to find a way to de-invest their wealth from it's economies, and to get rid of them from it's societies. What could accomplish this goal better then giving them their own nation to live with each other and invest in their economy. They have this tendency to hijack the entire economies and manipulate the societies. There's a reason why ever nation has went against them through out history, Babylonians, Assyrians, Greeks, Romans, Crusaders, Nazis, Muslims, and God knows who else, and the aim was never to colonize or punish them but to completely abolish them.

There's a reason why Romans devised and implemented Diaspora, just to understand how important was it keep them away, When Muslims took charge of the holy land in 638 A.D from Romans, no battle occurred, Romans surrendered it simply in the exchange of the terms that Diaspora must remain in effect.

[whatcdfan]

.......

According to this analogy..... Just because USA dropped a couple of nukes on Japan over 60 years ago, I too have a morally valid right to drop a nuke anywhere I deem fit.

[whatcdfan]

Fuck me. That's some hella fucking illiterate jew wank going on right there.

In the olden days cunts got banned for this kinda religious radicalism. Seems our tolerance level for zealot spastics has increased considerably.

Can someone please write a petition to nominate this guy for the presidency of the Board of English Language and Heritage?

[IdolEyes787]

These motherfucking Capitalists and sexists have made our lives hell for their desire to have more then everyone else.



I'd be more than happy to kill Larry Ellison but I'm going to need a gun.

[IdolEyes787]

Can someone please write a petition to nominate this guy for the presidency of the Board of English Language and Heritage?

To be fair he's some sub-genre of British so being a cunt is basically his natural state.

[IdolEyes787]

Full disclosure. I could probably kill Ellison with a moderately sharp stick but I just really want a gun.

[megabyteme]

Plans are being made to give discussion of Israel/Middle East Conflict a homeland in The Drawing Room. Deals are being made to drop it in the middle of a Mexican Immigration discussion without the thread owner's consent. We expect this to go peacefully...

[shaina]

According to this analogy..... Just because USA dropped a couple of nukes on Japan over 60 years ago, I too have a morally valid right to drop a nuke anywhere I deem fit.

But the difference is you would kill yourself and anyone else with the thought of something better for you on the other side waiting for you??
I prefer to stay on earth as long as i can and cherish my life and children, especially my children...So far everyone that does control/have nukes , and the means to fire them has the same morals,Even with the everyday threats they have..
As i said Cdfan i want peace and quiet for everyone, and realistic suggestions for peace around the world, But yours getting rid of Jews just doesn't work.. Just like getting rid of Good intention Muslims would not be mine..
But i think the world has spoken that the Bad Muslims do need a solution, do you have one for that?? It seems that everyone except the Good Muslims are taking steps and trying to stop the bloodshed?? Help and suggestions would be nice??

Cdfan.. They just elected the first British Muslim faith mayor in England... I really think that is fantastic, and he will do good things for everyone...If he hires Jews on his team is that ok with you??

[shaina]

Plans are being made to give discussion of Israel/Middle East Conflict a homeland in The Drawing Room. Deals are being made to drop it in the middle of a Mexican Immigration discussion without the thread owner's consent. We expect this to go peacefully...

I am done with it...Thanks Meg.

[megabyteme]

Plans are being made to give discussion of Israel/Middle East Conflict a homeland in The Drawing Room. Deals are being made to drop it in the middle of a Mexican Immigration discussion without the thread owner's consent. We expect this to go peacefully...

I am done with it...Thanks Meg.

:glag:

[shaina]

Ok Meg it was kind of funny but i am still done... And the Mexicans i will leave in your good hands:unsure:, or is that Cubans?? It is a little confusing.....

[shaina]

You've a open heart for all humans alike, I'm already aware of it as we have had these discussions in the past too. Common folks like you and Idol at least have the balls to stand and say the just no matter what the consequences, I'll tell you MBM it takes a lot of courage to do that. And you are not alone, there are millions and millions like you in the west as well as in Arabia. These motherfucking Capitalists and sexists have made our lives hell for their desire to have more then everyone else.


If Israel loses, they can have a patch of land inside Arizona or Nevada. At least the US has the right to give that land away.

West has a vested interest(s) in the Zionist state. Primary motive to carve out a nation for Jews was because west had to find a way to de-invest their wealth from it's economies, and to get rid of them from it's societies. What could accomplish this goal better then giving them their own nation to live with each other and invest in their economy. They have this tendency to hijack the entire economies and manipulate the societies. There's a reason why ever nation has went against them through out history, Babylonians, Assyrians, Greeks, Romans, Crusaders, Nazis, Muslims, and God knows who else, and the aim was never to colonize or punish them but to completely abolish them.

There's a reason why Romans devised and implemented Diaspora, just to understand how important was it keep them away, When Muslims took charge of the holy land in 638 A.D from Romans, no battle occurred, Romans surrendered it simply in the exchange of the terms that Diaspora must remain in effect.

Welcome the the world of the BDS!!
And if that is your realistic view, i would suggest you go back to the stone age...

And now i will really finish with Megs full statement that i agree with and have no reason not too

"I'm not normally opposed to Arabs doing Arab stuff, even in the 'West' (with exception for blowing things/peoples up, ofc), but the idea that Muslim views are vertically opposed to the West, being stated by a Muslim, makes me not so happy."

Your statement...
"These motherfucking Capitalists and sexists have made our lives hell for their desire to have more then everyone else."

Are you kidding me!! Your leaders have 12 palaces and sit on thrones, allow the people they want to prosper, meanwhile the rest of the population live in shit!!.
Sexist!! Name any gay or interracial marriages in your country?? And that is without getting killed!!
Why i am falling into your idiocies makes me wonder, if you are looking for excuses to blame people...
The majority of the Middle East hates the west and there way of living, A lot of the Muslims in Israel are moderate or conservative just the same as the Jews, trying to paint another picture is just nonsense. I mean other than Qatar, where else has a Middle Eastern country moved to the 21st century?? Even in Europe, the Muslim communities are trying to go secular and not blend with anyone else..Look at where the Bombers ran too and where they hide??(And in defense not all bad but clueless and do nothing about it)
You flat out knock Jews/Israel, and progress yet you use the benefits , from there inventions, life saving equipment drugs,(Do you think the Pal treated Abbas or his brother??, or an Israeli hospital did dumbass!!saved the so called enemies ass life, but shit Jews are bad!!) and sharing it with everyone not keeping it just for Jews!! Every time you type on your keyboard and reply to a text, Email ,make a phone call, costumer service, without Israel it wouldn't exist, other than oil and blood. name some of the accomplishments Muslims have and share it with the rest of the world?? (and not the Muslim Israeli citizens, the Jews and Israel are no good).

Jews, Chinese, Christians, English, may be hated but they are not on the bottom of the list, can you guess is?? And there is a lot of them, and a large portion of them are good but the bad ones now out way the good ones. Time to change that and stop blaming everything else in the world, be it Jews, Western way of living, or any other religion/race....
If the Jews were gone all of this ends?? Give me a bloody Break!!!

Meg is offering Israel a piece of land in the USA, why not Hamas/Hezbollah, ISIS, PLO or Muslims??


People with propaganda interest are the ones to take things out of context

And the vast funds invested in Israel are all paid back in spades!!, when Palestinians receive funding where is it going?
Billions of dollars to make there lives better received by there leaders, where the heck is it??
Stop blaming the world and everyone else and stand up to the leaders that have your dreams in there hands...
The teachers finally did and how many were killed for it?? People try to stand up to the leaders elected?? They are killed, is that the worlds fault??
Grow up!!

And Jews are welcomed in Democracy Countries, are you??
In Israel Economy and Business are growing and flourishing, there is no need for them to move anywhere else. But if you live in poverty and famine why wouldn't Palestinians want to move to the USA, Canada, or any democracy countries and make a better life for themselves?? What are they waiting for?? Jews that left Muslim countries and where you claim no one wanted them are prosperous and happy, I don't see your point that no one wants the Jews yet your people are now getting slaughtered by the thousands and still Muslims countries don't help, Why??
Christians help Christians, Jews Help Jews , and each other, Why not in the Muslim Faith??
These are facts and reality, not propaganda shit. I mean the USA, Russia (And Israel as well) is helping Muslims but there own is killing them??
Canada is 149 years old how long did it take its enemies to realize they are not getting there land back, before they made better lives for there families??
USA over 240 years
Israel over 60 years
How long??
That makes a lot of sense to me while i sit in my backyard knowing i am guarded and safe. And Israel builds bomb shelters for there people to be safe from there surroundings (Every Israeli citizen and visitor,not just your so called Zionist Jews)...

Life should be considered precious, Not extinguished for faith or cult...


Born in America big threat to the world
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Born in Israel and now live in America big threat to the world
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A woman of catholic faith big threat to the world
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A woman of Muslim faith wearing a Burka walking(Are they allowed to drive) in downtown New York City threat to the world
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Woman of Muslim faith wearing a Niqab walking in Washington DC, threat to the world
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A woman wearing an Hijab walking down the street in Downtown Miami, threat to the world
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A family walking in Israel, threat to the world
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I leave the answers in your hands....

I said i wouldn't do this again and falling into stupidity i did anyways.... Go figure......

[shaina]

To keep on the Tread Meg..

All the media says that Bernie really has no chance yet he stays in the race? And could you see him being Vice President to Clinton??

Or maybe vice versa??

I mean what if Trump is the next President?? Do you think he is able to do the full job as commander and chief??

[shaina]

If you take our former mayor Rob Ford (just past away), i mean his personal life was a mess, but politically he did save the taxpayers a lot of money. Saying that all the shit with Trump i guess it could be the other persons he appoints to office as well no??

[megabyteme]

Trump's Tweet on Cinco de Mayo makes me truly believe he's fucking insane https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/728297587418247168 And, no, that is NOT a parody. I looked it up because I thought it was. Friggin' real. :O

I'd *still* take him over Hillary.

[whatcdfan]

Trump's Tweet on Cinco de Mayo makes me truly believe he's fucking insane https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/728297587418247168 And, no, that is NOT a parody. I looked it up because I thought it was. Friggin' real. :O

I'd *still* take him over Hillary.

And don't forget "The Clinton Foundation" which receives the monetary packages in multi-million Dollars from the states that fund and support terrorism i.e Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the foundation gladly accepts it in an exchange for the military/diplomatic support of their ancestral monarchy regimes to continue to reign and have a defense against revolt of the youth like the one Arab spring or Berber spring. If you ask me, it's like purchasing someone's consent to do a shameful act, much like prostitution. From the morality perspective, there's isn't much difference between the two. Ask these people, can this money buy them a soul in the afterlife? something that they so gladly traded for feeding their animal instincts.

[whatcdfan]

Hopefully Clinton will name a good Vice President and then die shortly after being inducted into office.

This. I've actually said this. Although 'die' is too vague and needs to involve words like "masked men", "truck", "bludgeoned", "televised manhunt, ending in authorities arriving too late", "horrific", "we cannot show the found footage on-air", "still no suspects"...

:glag:

[whatcdfan]

........*And the lot's of useless images on the topic so intense that literally hold the fate of the world which lies on the outcome *.....

I feel like I've unintentionally stepped on the tail of a carnivorous cat.

[shaina]

Trump's Tweet on Cinco de Mayo makes me truly believe he's fucking insane https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/728297587418247168 And, no, that is NOT a parody. I looked it up because I thought it was. Friggin' real. :O
I'd *still* take him over Hillary.

Weird that Cinco de Mayo is held on May 5, wait 3 days to really make comments about it? (meaning the media not you Meg)

Something you would think would have been spotted and exploited :unsure:

[shaina]

........*And the lot's of useless images on the topic so intense that literally hold the fate of the world which lies on the outcome *.....

I feel like I've unintentionally stepped on the tail of a carnivorous cat.

No but you may have touched a nerve or two, and maybe i have gone to far on expressing something that i really have no outcome on...

And really the images are useless or true?? and no comment or response or debate on anything else i suggest/solution?
makes sense :rolleyes: I guess my suggestions were not complex enough...
And the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is just a fart in the wind compared to what is going on in the rest of the world. And a great cop out or fall back on what is happening to good Arab/Muslims in the Middle East and the rest of the world. Especially from there own Muslim people...And of course the radical Islamist's and the weak minded people they recruit to cause mayhem everywhere..
It is strange and hard to understand why any family person would want a faith that assumes death is better than life??
I say and will always say Religion can not rule people, no matter what your beliefs are, man made interpretations
fuck the whole thing up, and weak minded people just follow like cattle, or in some cases just killed if they don't...
Common Sense and human nature, and laws for pro Life not Death, especially not really knowing what is on the other side...

I do apologize if you think my impression is that you are bad person Cdfan, because i don't, and never did..
But talking politics and putting blame with no solutions doesn't help either, especially there are always two sides to every conflict/story, and being honest i know both sides have to lose to solve any conflict. In human nature both sides need to feel that they won and lost at the same time if that makes sense...
To me what i have done may have stepped to far, but so did you...
I do regret that racism, antisemitism and just plain hatred will never stop, but it doesn't have to happen here.
If i am going to blame or make a statement i try to also add a solution, be it right or wrong, but at least it is a start in a discussion...
Again i apologize if i did offend you Cdfan, and i hope you feel the same way towards me..

Shay

PS. What happens if you didn't know i was Jewish and myself, you being an Arab?? Would that change the outcome of this debate ??

PEACE

[megabyteme]

I was going to point out that the subject is so complex and unending that our discussions only mirror the conflict itself.

[shaina]

I was going to point out that the subject is so complex and unending that our discussions only mirror the conflict itself.

Agree 100% Meg..

Peace and Happiness, and where you are can't achieve it, go find it somewhere else.....

[shaina]

Meg...

Being honest i don't really travel Canada, and it is pretty embarrassing considering i have lived here for 49 years, and speaking to Business associates from my wife's company(retired now) that lived across Canada, talk about how beautiful it is, but never really hear Patriotism..

Yet traveling through the US, the patriotism is incredible!! between how they talk and the Flags in front of there houses it is really amazing..
I think Trump in between the garbage really does hit that one home, but with no experience really in politics(corrupt or not), being a showmen is not the attitude to run a country in my eyes. But will that and can that change if he does become the Commander and Chief of a superpower??

[megabyteme]

He's so nuts that the Republicans don't even want to back him. That says *a lot*... :fear:

[shaina]

Would that be because he is an unconventional politician? I mean the guy is nuts, but the people are listening. It is not like people are forced to vote for him??

If you really read between the lines, he is showing patriotism, and i think that is what people are looking for, you mentioning so many Democratic scandals that happened, i guess it is shadowing over the political things that are done, and people think a different party and a clean slate...

Or the voter turnout is just every nutbag in the US?? Which one is a roll of the dice..

I mean i think the voter turnout for Trudeau was all the Dope smokers (literally!!), and i think he will be the most handsome one term Prime Minister Canada has had in a long time(He ain't his dad), but he is our Commander and Chief for now, and so far nothing has really changed, including legalizing mary jane:D

Do you actually get to vote Meg??

[shaina]

Interesting article in one of my local papers Cdfan.... I really don't know if it makes sense or not?? And read some the the comments people wrote??


http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/i-worked-for-peace-says-onetime-arafat-ally-deported-from-canada-over-fatah-ties

Here is another post??


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/211914#.Vy9XkuTEirI

[IdolEyes787]

The National Post is the Fox News of Canada.It's unceasing right wing political viewpoint draws into question the veracity of anything it says.
If anyone questions this statement I suggest you merely peruse the wiki about it* and then look up Conrad Black, the Aspers, Paul Godfrey etc.


2006 Iran controversy

On May 19, 2006, the newspaper ran two pieces alleging that the Iranian parliament had passed a law requiring religious minorities to wear special identifying badges. One piece was a front page news item titled "IRAN EYES BADGES FOR JEWS" accompanied by a 1935 picture of two Jews bearing Nazi-ordered yellow badges. Later on the same day, experts began coming forward to deny the accuracy of the Post story. The story proved to be false, but not before it had been picked up by a variety of other news media and generated comment from world leaders. Comments on the story by the Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper caused Iran to summon Canada's ambassador to Tehran, Gordon E. Venner, for an explanation.
On May 24, 2006, the editor-in-chief of the newspaper, Doug Kelly, published an apology for the story on Page 2, admitting that it was false and the National Post had not exercised enough caution or checked enough sources
Canadian Islamic Congress

Since 1998, the Canadian Islamic Congress (CIC) has been actively monitoring media coverage for anti-Muslim or anti-Islam sentiment and has issued reports highlighting its findings. It has opposed the use of phrases such as "Islamic guerrillas," "Islamic insurgency" and "Muslim militants" saying that terms like "militant" or "terrorist" should be used without a religious association "since no religion teaches or endorses terrorism, militancy or extremism." The Congress has singled out the National Post, saying the paper "consistently is No. 1" as an anti-Islam media outlet.]

The National Post is to unbiased news as Ziggy Marley is to Heavy Metal ie they have nothing in common.

[IdolEyes787]

Let us now in the point of fairness post a bunch of horseshit off Muslimnews and accompanying Arab comments and presume that is also true.

[IdolEyes787]

This doesn't however effect my unwavering belief that we should kill everybody on both sides and replace them with cuddly puppies.

[shaina]

This doesn't however effect my unwavering belief that we should kill everybody on both sides and replace them with cuddly puppies.

Can i get my friends and relative out first??:unsure:

[shaina]

The National Post is the Fox News of Canada.It's unceasing right wing political viewpoint draws into question the veracity of anything it says.
I think you mean the Sun and the Toronto Star??
Or it could even be the Canadian Jewish News:huh:

The National Post is actually the only paper (online as well), that has the least retractions. To me that means a little more validity then most..
Do you want me to find some other place that you may find to your standards Idol??, but it may not have any cycling news in it:O

[shaina]

Let us now in the point of fairness post a bunch of horseshit off Muslimnews and accompanying Arab comments and presume that is also true.

So are you saying that Hector from Canada is biased on Palestinians ?? And Pro Israel??

That doesn't happen does it??

I did see it in multiple places including Arab posts, so i would assume it was valid at this point Idol ...
What did amaze me more is Arafat was worth Billions and never really worked a day in his life, well, except politics and killing people...

United States President Barack Obama earned a total of $400,000 a year, as opposed to
Netanyahu, who earned approximately $120,000 a year
Stephen Harper was the sixth highest paid political leader in the world earning an annual salary of US$296,400.
Singapore's Lee Hsien Loong tops the list earning a whopping $2,183,516.00

[shaina]

Let us now in the point of fairness post a bunch of horseshit off Muslimnews and accompanying Arab comments and presume that is also true.

I really posted the links to show the stupidity of the Courts saying the Fatah group is a terrorist group, yet the Canadian government gives the leader now Abbas hundreds of millions of dollars to aid the Palestinian people which i doubt the people ever see that money...
To me that is disgusting, that is the truth.....

[IdolEyes787]

So what you are saying it that I should probably read the contents of your links before commenting even though we both know that isn't going to happen.

[shaina]

So what you are saying it that I should probably read the contents of your links before commenting even though we both know that isn't going to happen.

Why do you neglect my links?? I always watch or read yours:cry:
Even the ones that have schematics on bicycles..

Read this anyways and tell me if it is valid?? I can say Trump is really crazy and i don't think he remembers what he said the day before....Look at these yahoos..

http://time.com/4259372/donald-trump-muslim-supporters/

[IdolEyes787]

I neglect everyone's links.Apparently someone has misinformed me and that's not what is de rigueur on FST unless there's either the promise of soccer or tits involved. :unsure:

In an effort to keep good relations with Israel though I read the Time one and the first goy is especially mental.He's like a dog that insists on calling himself a cat.

[shaina]

Now the Fuckin Dummy Trump wants to cause more trouble and bloodshed when everyone knows it is morally wrong to do it..


http://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-israel-should-keep-building-west-bank-settlements/

[shaina]

I can really tell you this Guy is no dummy, and is on the right track to make England a better place for everyone, while most of his party is under hot water:dry:


http://www.timesofisrael.com/londons-new-mayor-makes-holocaust-memorial-his-first-official-function/

[shaina]

I neglect everyone's links.Apparently someone has misinformed me and that's not what is de rigueur on FST unless there's either the promise of soccer or tits involved. :unsure:
In an effort to keep good relations with Israel though I read the Time one and the first goy is especially mental.He's like a dog that insists on calling himself a cat.

:lol: :lol:(I wanted to give you the artist award, but it is not letting me;))

[IdolEyes787]

I can really tell you this Guy is no dummy, and is on the right track to make England a better place for everyone, while most of his party is under hot water:dry:


http://www.timesofisrael.com/londons-new-mayor-makes-holocaust-memorial-his-first-official-function/

OK our Minister of Defense is from India and also has an impeccable record and but he's a Sikh so now I'm confused.

[shaina]

OK our Minister of Defense is from India and also has an impeccable record and but he's a Sikh so now I'm confused.

You are joking right?? What defense? We have peace keepers, i think:unsure:.. G-D Bless the USA!!
169544
169545

Kidding aside i really think England's Mayor Sadiq Khan, does have good intentions to get the community together, and not take sides, plus i think he wants to run the Labour party once all of the shit is removed from it....

[OlegL]

I wish Kasich had won the nomination. I would have voted for him in the general election. I won't vote for the nominee of either party.

[mjmacky]

I wish Kasich had won the nomination. I would have voted for him in the general election. I won't vote for the nominee of either party.
Why are you so concerned with restricting women's reproductive rights when your semen has yet to spill anywhere near a vagina?

[mjmacky]

I support a woman's decision to abort an egg fertilized by me because that'll be one fucked up child.

[mjmacky]

*that would or that'd if we were being conversational

[shaina]

of
Why are you so concerned with restricting women's reproductive rights when your semen has yet to spill anywhere near a vagina?

Wow!!! no words to look up?? well, except maybe Vagina??:unsure:

Feel bad really, tough to choose really who you want controlling a nuclear button there:O

[shaina]

I support a woman's decision to abort an egg fertilized by me because that'll be one fucked up child.

:yup::noes::yup::noes:

[IdolEyes787]

I'm voting for the person who seems the most likely to go against his/her nature and ever tell the truth in the near or distant future.

[shaina]

I'm voting for the person who seems the most likely to go against his/her nature and ever tell the truth in the near or distant future.

You would have to be more specific :lol: or vote for Bernie Sanders Green Party...


And did we now learn you have dual citizenship??

[shaina]

Hey Idol..

We have had some smoking hot and humid days i can tell you...
Golfed in a few of them(well most of them LOL!!), and it was like heart attack weather i can tell you!!!!

Had some troubles with my pool as well $1500.00 later all fixed (salt pressure sensor and new robot cleaner!!)..

[IdolEyes787]

I'm voting for the person who seems the most likely to go against his/her nature and ever tell the truth in the near or distant future.

You would have to be more specific :lol: or vote for Bernie Sanders Green Party...


And did we now learn you have dual citizenship??

No, we learned that you never studied Mark Twain and so you don't know that the truth should never get in the way of a good story, or in this case a mediocre joke.

[IdolEyes787]

Hey Idol..

We have had some smoking hot and humid days i can tell you...
Golfed in a few of them(well most of them LOL!!), and it was like heart attack weather i can tell you!!!!

Had some troubles with my pool as well $1500.00 later all fixed (salt pressure sensor and new robot cleaner!!)..
Yeah I had trouble with my pool too, Jay Gatsby but in my case all I needed to do was add some more water to the puddle.

[shaina]

No, we learned that you never studied Mark Twain and so you don't know that the truth should never get in the way of a good story, or in this case a mediocre joke.

I give it a 6.8 out of 10:D

[OlegL]

I wish Kasich had won the nomination. I would have voted for him in the general election. I won't vote for the nominee of either party.
Why are you so concerned with restricting women's reproductive rights when your semen has yet to spill anywhere near a vagina?

I am not against abortions. Kasich knows a great deal about how to fix a broken economy.

[megabyteme]

Wow!!! no words to look up?? well, except maybe Vagina??:unsure:

Vagina is one of my favorite things to look up. :D

[shaina]

we learned that you never studied Mark Twain

True :)

[shaina]

Vagina is one of my favorite things to look "Lick" up. :D

Fixed:D

P.M.F (professional muff diver)

[shaina]

Yeah I had trouble with my pool too, Jay Gatsby but in my case all I needed to do was add some more water to the puddle.

In no way was that meant as portraying myself as Lord Fauntleroy :cry:

More Pissed Off, Cheap, Happy all at the same time:D

And the pool water really does look clear as a bell now.....

[shaina]

On the Treads topic....

I thought Hillary Clinton's speech was good.....

[IdolEyes787]

In no way was that meant as portraying myself as Lord Fauntleroy :cry:



I dunno, I totally picture you as Lord Fauntleroy.

171906

Btw shouldn't Lord Faunt Leroy be black? :unsure:

Yeah, I'm pandering to Meg with that one because he's racist.

[shaina]

Btw shouldn't Lord Faunt Leroy be black? :unsure:
Yeah, I'm pampering to Meg with that one because he's racist.

Is it racist to say i think every household should have one to help with the cleaning and stuff??:unsure:

Most people are willing to pay them below minimum wage as well....

And i don't think Meg is racist, he just chooses to shoot them if he sees em:whistling
That is the Americans G-D given right.....

PS. Why does that person in that photo look like a transgender???

[megabyteme]

Btw shouldn't Lord Faunt Leroy be black? :unsure:
Yeah, I'm pampering to Meg with that one because he's racist.

Is it racist to say i think every household should have one to help with the cleaning and stuff??:unsure:

Most people are willing to pay them below minimum wage as well....

And i don't think Meg is racist, he just chooses to shoot them if he sees em:whistling
That is the Americans G-D given right.....

PS. Why does that person in that photo look like a transgender???

Pay them?!!! In your house???!!!!!! :O

At least you redeemed your post by backing up gun rites being given guaranteed by God.

[shaina]

[QUOTE=shaina;3787500]Pay them?!!! In your house???!!!!!! :O
At least you redeemed your post by backing up gun rites being given guaranteed by God.

Yes Meg... Pay them, and pay them very weekly:yup: either African Canadians or Philippino Canadians:unsure: your choice...
And we just have to figure out what G-D is authorizing this??.....Really and truthfully the gun laws do have to change but how Clinton is going to do that being President we will just have to see:whistling..

And honestly what Clinton did said about Trump holding the power to go Nuclear on someone is really scary!!
Israel could destroy every Arab state in minutes, Trump needs to learn calm and restraint like that, and not shoot his mouth off so much!!, and i really do like some of the things he is saying , but him having that power is more dangerous then Clinton having it. I guess we will just have to see how it plays out in the coming months...

And Bernie Sanders people are going to get pretty much everything they wanted, except the Destruction of the one place in the middle east, and we know that is never going to happen, and that is why they are still not happy...hence the burning flag rallies...

Really Meg, who do you vote for??? And why??

[megabyteme]

Notice the intentional spelling of 'gun rites'...

This election is a complete farce. There's no way to convince me either of these two are suitable for office. Fuck, I wouldn't want either in my house.

I just hope we get good Vice President options and there's *cough* reason *cough* for that person being sworn in. Soon.

[shaina]

Notice the intentional spelling of 'gun rites'...
This election is a complete farce. There's no way to convince me either of these two are suitable for office. Fuck, I wouldn't want either in my house.
I just hope we get good Vice President options and there's *cough* reason *cough* for that person being sworn in. Soon.

LOL!! i just noticed it now LOL!!

(D) Tim Kaine
(R) Mike Pence
That is your choices right?? Which one is better in your eyes??

One may make Spanish/Mexican your first language :O and exclude the wall as well LOL!!

And not defending him on everything (especially Iran Deal!!),and what Obama was handed, did he really do that bad of a job???

And like it or not!!, you do have to make a choice Yes or NO??
You could always go Green LOL!!!, it to me would be like a rough around the edge Bernie Sanders LOL!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFcuxAjipo0&feature=youtu.be

[shaina]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh_GFkdxwbQ&feature=youtu.be

[IdolEyes787]

I view Jason Bourne as the perfect candidate for Vice President as he stays in the background but when shit requires taking care of, he takes care of shit.

Next choice would be Aragorn but I have suspicions that he may in fact be a fictional character.

[IdolEyes787]

Plus, he's foreign.

[shaina]

I view Jason Bourne as the perfect candidate for Vice President as he stays in the background but when shit requires taking care of, he takes care of shit.
Next choice would be Aragorn but I have suspicions that he may in fact be a fictional character.

:artist:

[shaina]

Plus, he's foreign.

So is Obama :unsure:

According to Trump that is??

[megabyteme]

I view Jason Bourne as the perfect candidate for Vice President as he stays in the background but when shit requires taking care of, he takes care of shit.

Pretty sure you're talking about Bidden, not Bourne. Or maybe they are one and the same...:idunno:

[shaina]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqOYtIbRXLQ