Brexit - Well Maybe

[JPaul]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37857785

Parliament must vote on whether the UK can start the process of leaving the EU, the High Court has ruled.

This means the government cannot trigger Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty - beginning formal exit negotiations with the EU - on its own.

Theresa May says the referendum - and existing ministerial powers - mean MPs do not need to vote, but campaigners called this unconstitutional.

The government is appealing, with a further hearing expected next month.

[IdolEyes787]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37857785



The government is appealing, with a further hearing expected next month.

Appealing and appalling.

[Barbarossa]

Brexiteer in June - We want to restore Parliamentary Sovereignty.
Brexiteer in November - NOT LIKE THIS!

If the Supreme Court rejects the appeal, I wonder if they will then appeal to the European Court of Justice...

[manker]

Baron Thomas of Cwmgiedd ftw.


Not sure what exactly this means beyond the obvious, but from what little I can glean it still seems like we're heading for brexit. MPs won't want to be seen voting to remain, going against a referendum result is politically dangerous for them on a personal level. Just what kind of brexit we're heading for is now the question which will probably dominate the coming months, providing the appeal fails.
It makes the 'hard brexit' option a lot less likely, as parliament won't get a vote through on that. Even that grinning abhorrence Farage as much as admitted this.
The other member states are beyond Eurovision levels of fucked off at the UK about this, all this dithering is pissing them off en masse, so they aren't likely to agree to anything resembling a 'soft brexit'. 'medium brexit' is something I have never heard anyone say before but is what now has to happen.

Getting 300+ MPs to agree on something this complex will be pretty tricky. I reckon it'll take much longer than what's left of the current term of the PM.
About five years doesn't sound unrealistic.

The problem being is that while our economy overall is relatively unaffected by this uncertainty, it is already ruinous for UK companies who exclusively trade internationally.
No-one wants to deal with them now. I represent a few companies who do this and all of them are talking of chucking it in.

[Barbarossa]

Not only do 300+ MPs have to agree on something, whatever they agree with then has to be negotiated and agreed with the 27 other EU countries, who have already said that "soft Brexit" isn't an option.

I can't see a trade agreement being done in 2 years, even if both sides were vaguely accommodating to each other, which they aren't.

They need to abandon the idea of a trade agreement as part of the article 50 negotiations, and concentrate on the legal and cultural aspects of Brexit, then sort out trade deals once we're out.

At some point, the dithering and uncertainty becomes more damaging than Brexit itself, because basically we're in limbo until it actually comes into effect.

It would be so much easier to just stay in, really...

[bonetee]

What is this bullshit ?

[Barbarossa]

Where do I start...

[manker]

Teresa May has pretty much entrenched herself now.
If staying in is an option (and I'm not sure it would be humanly possible to keep that much egg on a face) then we need a brave new hero to win a general election.

Corbyn has similarly said that we have to go coz the people voted as such, so he's no good - plus he's unelectable.
Clegg's got the balls but he was made a bit of a monkey of re. the coalition. No point even debating the merits of the faceless lego-brick opposition, nor the toothless tory back-benchers.
Politicians won't do. All of them have made a career out of ostensible public servitude, to fly against that is tantamount to consigning their life's work to the dustbin.

None of them have a public profile which could withstand such a position.
Ken Clarke is the only one who comes close, but he is too old and too disinterested now.

If America has a left wing version of Trump, then could you please send him or her over? thnx in advance.

[Barbarossa]

That appears to be a fairly accurate summation.

If she loses this appeal which as far as I can tell is more than likely, that's going to be incredibly embarrassing for her, and may even lead to a vote of no confidence and an election. But then with no opposition... bleurgh.

The nearest thing we have to an opposition at the moment in this country is Gary Lineker. :pinch:

[manker]

Gary Lineker--:eyebrows:
:eyebrows: :eyebrows:

He'd be perfect.

[JPaul]

Oh I think it's a given, the Judges were just pointing out that a referendum can actually achieve such a thing on it's own and Parliament will actually have to do it.

The Commons will never vote against it, if the Supreme Court forces them into actually doing their job.

What about the Lords though.

[Caballero]

If America has a left wing version of Trump, then could you please send him or her over? thnx in advance.

You can have the original.

[Something Else]

If America has a left wing version of Trump, then could you please send him or her over? thnx in advance.

Born in New York City to wealthy upper-middle class (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper-middle_class) English parents, Johnson was educated at the European School of Brussels (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_School_of_Brussels_I), Ashdown House School (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashdown_House,_East_Sussex), and Eton College (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eton_College). He studied Classics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literae_Humaniores) at Balliol College, Oxford (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balliol_College,_Oxford), where he was elected president (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_Oxford_Union) of the Oxford Union (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_Union) in 1986.

[manker]

If America has a left wing version of Trump, then could you please send him or her over? thnx in advance.

Born in New York City to wealthy upper-middle class (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper-middle_class) English parents, Johnson was educated at the European School of Brussels (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_School_of_Brussels_I), Ashdown House School (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashdown_House,_East_Sussex), and Eton College (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eton_College). He studied Classics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literae_Humaniores) at Balliol College, Oxford (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balliol_College,_Oxford), where he was elected president (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_Oxford_Union) of the Oxford Union (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_Union) in 1986.Is this Dwayne? He'll definitely appeal to the masses.
It'll be a close run thing between him and Lineker but Gary's got my vote since he came through with the pants.

[Barbarossa]

Born in New York City to wealthy upper-middle class (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper-middle_class) English parents, Johnson was educated at the European School of Brussels (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_School_of_Brussels_I), Ashdown House School (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashdown_House,_East_Sussex), and Eton College (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eton_College). He studied Classics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literae_Humaniores) at Balliol College, Oxford (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balliol_College,_Oxford), where he was elected president (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_Oxford_Union) of the Oxford Union (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_Union) in 1986.Is this Dwayne? He'll definitely appeal to the masses.
It'll be a close run thing between him and Lineker but Gary's got my vote since he came through with the pants.

Unfortunately it sounds a heck of a lot like Boris. Which it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson

Boris may well be a "left wing version of Trump", but he's still slightly right of Attila the Hun.

[manker]

What about the Lords though.BREXIT DEFEATED IN THE HOUSE OF LORDS
That has a nice ring to it.

How true the old Lords stereotype of curmudgeonly entrenched UK all the way or no way half blind fox-hunting foreigner hating octogenerian holds nowadays is difficult to ascertain.
I would say, though, that if it's even a bit true, it'll get through.

[manker]

Is this Dwayne? He'll definitely appeal to the masses.
It'll be a close run thing between him and Lineker but Gary's got my vote since he came through with the pants.

Unfortunately it sounds a heck of a lot like Boris. Which it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_JohnsonIt's a good job you're here with the guidance, m8.
Ben must be whelmed with hepballs if he thinks one of the main instigators of Brexit is the man to keep us in. Likewise Cabellero with his kind but misguided offer of Trump for the job.

[Something Else]

Unfortunately it sounds a heck of a lot like Boris. Which it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_JohnsonIt's a good job you're here with the guidance, m8.
Ben must be whelmed with hepballs if he thinks one of the main instigators of Brexit is the man to keep us in. Likewise Cabellero with his kind but misguided offer of Trump for the job.

Boris swings whichever whey you point him in.

[JPaul]

What about the Lords though.BREXIT DEFEATED IN THE HOUSE OF LORDS
That has a nice ring to it.

How true the old Lords stereotype of curmudgeonly entrenched UK all the way or no way half blind fox-hunting foreigner hating octogenerian holds nowadays is difficult to ascertain.
I would say, though, that if it's even a bit true, it'll get through.

How many of them have a vested financial interested in the strength of the pound and it's trade with Europe.

Who also through an accident of birth don't have to give a feck about democracy or who votes for them.

[manker]

BREXIT DEFEATED IN THE HOUSE OF LORDS
That has a nice ring to it.

How true the old Lords stereotype of curmudgeonly entrenched UK all the way or no way half blind fox-hunting foreigner hating octogenerian holds nowadays is difficult to ascertain.
I would say, though, that if it's even a bit true, it'll get through.

How many of them have a vested financial interested in the strength of the pound and it's trade with Europe.

Who also through an accident of birth don't have to give a feck about democracy or who votes for them.No idea about the first part. Some of them, definitely.
All of them for the last part, which gives remainers hope. Non-accountability ftw :unsure:

[JPaul]

How many of them have a vested financial interested in the strength of the pound and it's trade with Europe.

Who also through an accident of birth don't have to give a feck about democracy or who votes for them.No idea about the first part. Some of them, definitely.
All of them for the last part, which gives remainers hope. Non-accountability ftw :unsure:

Realistically if the commons are forced to vote on it they will vote yes.

If the lords try to block it then it will be forced through anyway.

However that will slow the process down and may even force a general election.

[manker]

At which time, Lineker can leap to the fore.

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I'm just going to take your word for all of this. If I don't express an opinion either way then it can't whip-crack across my face and beat down my spirit like an errant step-child.

[thefireman]

I wonder if the Brits have already realized what leaving the EU means in view of the extra costs it will bring and the isolation that will cause... Or is it still too early?

[MacGyverSG1]

I think a lot of people vote a certain way just for spite. That usually just makes things worse. The USA is proof of that right now.

[Wam7]

I wonder if the Brits have already realized what leaving the EU means in view of the extra costs it will bring and the isolation that will cause... Or is it still too early?You can not really blame them. This is down to the naivety of the government; first the Labour Party and then the Conservatives. If you allow freedom of movement and allow 3 million Eastern Europeans into the country over 10 years.then Brexit is more likely than not.

You can't blame the Eastern Europeans either, if you get £2/hour for your job but can do the same job a £40, 2 hour plane ride away and get paid a minimum of £7.50 for a similar job then that's a great incentive to try it out.

[Caballero]

If you allow freedom of movement and allow 3 million Eastern Europeans into the country over 10 years.then Brexit is more likely than not.

Oh come one, if you want to engage in Trumpian math then at least scale the true number up by a factor of 10. Make it huge! Like, the biggest ever!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/10/majority-of-britain-eastern-european-residents-are-in-work

[dion09529]

Brexit, the bigest clownery in the world's history. But the best question is: to get to where?

[Barbarossa]

Brexit, the bigest clownery in the world's history. But the best question is: to get to where?

The rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, basically.

[MacGyverSG1]

Brexit, the bigest clownery in the world's history. But the best question is: to get to where?

The current US white house administration takes the cake for biggest clownery in the world's history. Brexit is second.

[antoine]

Brexit, the bigest clownery in the world's history. But the best question is: to get to where?

The rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, basically.

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[IdolEyes787]

I'll support Brexxit if they add a clause where all meme posters are put to death. Also people who in a discussion about something just post a quote from said thing.

[megabyteme]

It's baffling how this complete trainwreck, which was driven by lies and misinformation, fed by right-wing isolationist nuts, and barely passed to begin with-- is still in-the-works. Surely there's some way to steer the Titanic clear of the iceberg with several years of information indicating that it will sink the %&$# ship.

World and vast majority of British: this is stupid and costly and destructive!!!!!

The Right: We know, but...sweet, sweet isolation. And spite!!!!!!!!

[IdolEyes787]

It's baffling how this complete trainwreck, which was driven by lies and misinformation, fed by right-wing isolationist nuts, and barely passed to begin with-- is still in-the-works. Surely there's some way to steer the Titanic clear of the iceberg with several years of information indicating that it will sink the %&$# ship.

World and vast majority of British: this is stupid and costly and destructive!!!!!

The Right: We know, but...sweet, sweet isolation. And spite!!!!!!!!
Kettle...black, Captain America.

Do you know that your own orange buffoon when describing the Syria "deal" termed it the "ultimate solution"? Didn't some other megalomaniac with delusions of grandeur use eerily similar words to describe another ethnic cleansing not that long ago?

[megabyteme]

I was seriously considering posting the question of, "WTF would Trump have to do to lose your support?" on a pro-Trump reddit just to see *if* there was anything the 'group' would consider treasonous, insane, etc.

Honestly, I don't believe there's an answer. As we've seen here...

[IdolEyes787]

Answer. Become a Democrat.

Sometimes I troll the Trump trolls on YouTube just to make myself feel better about the state of things.

[IdolEyes787]

...reddit Any forum that has a downvote system is run by a bunch of Nazis anyway.

If you don't like what I say then have the grace to tell it to my face exactly why.

[anon]

If you don't like what I say then have the grace to tell it to my face exactly why.

Why bother, everyone knows it's easier to click on the down arrow if I don't like what was said... or who said it :wank:

This is why for all the flak it gets, 4chan has its place in the world. In there you could agree with a person on one discussion, have a civilized discussion about differing viewpoints on another, and tell each other to fuck off on a third one, and neither of you would think twice about it, because you wouldn't even know. Reddit and some forums offer no such luck, which is why I don't participate too much on the former (that and the addiction potential).

[IdolEyes787]

Remember when this in forum you could award negative karma.? Actual wars have been fought that have been more civil.

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[IdolEyes787]

There are bad apples on both side of every debate/argument, like you never mention "Antifa" ?? Why not?? Are they good to represent the public view?? Just because there may be bad apples on both sides of every argument that doesn't mean there are similarly "good apples" on both sides of every argument. As for antifa I'm fine with the principle of anti-fascism. Sure there are some or maybe a lot of radicals even anarchists involved ( it's the radical left after all) but at least theoretically it's a good thing. Don't think you can say the same of most of what they oppose.

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[IdolEyes787]

Ask an adversarial question, get an adversarial answer.

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[megabyteme]

I was seriously considering posting the question of, "WTF would Trump have to do to lose your support?" on a pro-Trump reddit just to see *if* there was anything the 'group' would consider treasonous, insane, etc.

Honestly, I don't believe there's an answer. As we've seen here...

It amazes me that you bring up a subject and if someone has a different opinion, you go into hiding??

Honestly to your answer, even if Trump ran as a Democrat, and he actually is, would never think like the Democrat party is now, and neither does Obama/Biden, and many of the other candidates in the DNC party....
Again Media sells but the only way to see the truth is in the votes of the people, and then both sides have to accept and do what is best for there families...
There is a difference of Pipe Dreams and Reality.. The same goes for the US, how old the County is and was founded, Why has it never changed to a Communist society?? It is proven to fail and hurt way more of the population Meg... Talk to Russian or or people that came from Dictator countries and asked why they never went back to there home countries??
You will see a ton of the policies that are being spewed from the Democratic party will disappear when there is a Nominated person to go after the Republican party, and fact!!! There was a ton of real radical things the Republican party also wants to implement, and they never will... Immigration, Health Care, both are still running on the Democratic policies before 2016 Fact!!!, now the Democrats want them changed.. If the Democrats want "Left" the Republicans want "Right"!!! It is stupid that things just can't be met in the middle, and you are going to piss off people on both sides, but it will be a small amount of people, even know they always seem to be the loudest depending on what media you watch or read.....

Again pipe dreams are great, but i can tell you for fact!!!!! If you don't know the right people in our health cares system, you are fucked!!! And a 190 million of your citizens will not accept it!!, need to find other ways to help the others without affect them.....
And you can't afford to pay for everyone that comes into your country that are not citizens my friend, again reality.. And it is hurting our health care services...
Forget about all of that and even your obtuse video on my opinion not to treat children different and you seem to accept......

Another interesting conversation we had on the golf course yesterday... How verbal communication is just disappearing!!!.. How the young generation rather sit at home and shop on amazon instead of going into a Bestbuy, seeing what they are buying and actually talking to people if they choose too??

Of how about going to a restaurant and looking at a table of 4 people and they are all on there phones texting and not having any verbal conversations between them!!!
Is that good progress??

Can't wait to hear this reply, if there actually is one......

It's not hiding. My usual thought is, "Which of 12 rambling, varied topics should I try to approach?" Nobody likes a wall of %$#& text. Make a single point and back it up. And when you describe Trump as a Democrat, I don't even know how to talk to you. There's not a single goddamn thing Trump has done in office that hasn't either been extreme right-wing or just plain stupid, racist, isolationist, elitist, egoist, and/or abandoning of our allies.

And I'm working another 16 hour shift today. Sorry for the delayed reply.

[anon]

Remember when this in forum you could award negative karma.?

Wasn't here at the time, but I've seen it :happy:

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[IdolEyes787]

It amazes me that you bring up a subject and if someone has a different opinion, you go into hiding??

Honestly to your answer, even if Trump ran as a Democrat, and he actually is, would never think like the Democrat party is now, and neither does Obama/Biden, and many of the other candidates in the DNC party....
Again Media sells but the only way to see the truth is in the votes of the people, and then both sides have to accept and do what is best for there families...
There is a difference of Pipe Dreams and Reality.. The same goes for the US, how old the County is and was founded, Why has it never changed to a Communist society?? It is proven to fail and hurt way more of the population Meg... Talk to Russian or or people that came from Dictator countries and asked why they never went back to there home countries??
You will see a ton of the policies that are being spewed from the Democratic party will disappear when there is a Nominated person to go after the Republican party, and fact!!! There was a ton of real radical things the Republican party also wants to implement, and they never will... Immigration, Health Care, both are still running on the Democratic policies before 2016 Fact!!!, now the Democrats want them changed.. If the Democrats want "Left" the Republicans want "Right"!!! It is stupid that things just can't be met in the middle, and you are going to piss off people on both sides, but it will be a small amount of people, even know they always seem to be the loudest depending on what media you watch or read.....

Again pipe dreams are great, but i can tell you for fact!!!!! If you don't know the right people in our health cares system, you are fucked!!! And a 190 million of your citizens will not accept it!!, need to find other ways to help the others without affect them.....
And you can't afford to pay for everyone that comes into your country that are not citizens my friend, again reality.. And it is hurting our health care services...
Forget about all of that and even your obtuse video on my opinion not to treat children different and you seem to accept......

Another interesting conversation we had on the golf course yesterday... How verbal communication is just disappearing!!!.. How the young generation rather sit at home and shop on amazon instead of going into a Bestbuy, seeing what they are buying and actually talking to people if they choose too??

Of how about going to a restaurant and looking at a table of 4 people and they are all on there phones texting and not having any verbal conversations between them!!!
Is that good progress??

Can't wait to hear this reply, if there actually is one......

It's not hiding. My usual thought is, "Which of 12 rambling, varied topics should I try to approach?" Nobody likes a wall of %$#& text. Make a single point and back it up. And when you describe Trump as a Democrat, I don't even know how to talk to you. There's not a single goddamn thing Trump has done in office that hasn't either been extreme right-wing or just plain stupid, racist, isolationist, elitist, egoist, and/or abandoning of our allies.

And I'm working another 16 hour shift today. Sorry for the delayed reply. The word for today is succinct. Not the same as brevity.

[IdolEyes787]

Remember when this in forum you could award negative karma.?

Wasn't here at the time, but I've seen it :happy:

183398

In some countries you're not considered a man until you been warned by mods at least twice. By the rules of the Universe this is now true even if it wasn't as it's now been written down.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PaoLy7PHwk

[IdolEyes787]

In other news, dion should be forced to listen to that on a constant loop until he accepts that trance isn't music.

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[IdolEyes787]

Meg isn't entitled that's one reason he doesn't support Trump.

Btw I voted commie straight down the ticket. Too bad the Joker is a fictional character.....supposedly or else I would have voted for him.

[IdolEyes787]

Now Trump wants to pull the troops out which would have made zero difference now or 10 years from now, because some people are just not structured to make stable society, no matter what you think!!!!, so fighting would have happened now or 10 years from now even if there was a Democrat in the White House, and i know that for a fact.... Cool. Now go and explain that to the families of all the people currently being killed.

[IdolEyes787]

Seems getting to 30k posts is going to require a lot more tears than the other three times I did it.

[IdolEyes787]

Meg when you say you work a 16 hour shift, how much of that is actually spent awake?

[IdolEyes787]

I just posted more in the last ten minutes than people who use the nzb have done in their entirety.

Not that I'm judging those useless fucktards.

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[megabyteme]

And i hope work is good buddy and all is well always to you and your family;)

Thank you, I hope you and yours are also well and happy. Lots of hours and stress.

[megabyteme]

Meg when you say you work a 16 hour shift, how much of that is actually spent awake?

:sly:

[megabyteme]

Seems getting to 30k posts is going to require a lot more tears than the other three times I did it.

How many of your latest 30k posts were you actually awake?

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[IdolEyes787]

Seems getting to 30k posts is going to require a lot more tears than the other three times I did it.

How many of your latest 30k posts were you actually awake? Too many.

[IdolEyes787]

Idol:
I heard this but i don't know if it is true or not?? Someone told me that in Quebec city, that Universities are free, and never filled because they are useless.. And companies outside of Quebec city, don't even look at people with degrees from there?? I wonder how true that is?? And i thought that Montreal is part of Quebec?? I can tell you the Universities in Montreal are not free??

Just curious if you know anything about that.... University are free in Quebec because if you go to one you are forced to go with French people. It's like day old donuts, if they weren't free no one would bite.

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[j2k4]

Just for shits and giggles, I'd love to hear either/both of your views on Antifa.

Tell me what you know, tell me what you think.

Do not​ tell me what you think you know.

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[dion09529]

The most basic of basics.

[Caballero]

I was seriously considering posting the question of, "WTF would Trump have to do to lose your support?" on a pro-Trump reddit just to see *if* there was anything the 'group' would consider treasonous, insane, etc.

Honestly, I don't believe there's an answer. As we've seen here...

"The poll, which surveyed more than 2,000 Americans, finds that an astonishing 55 percent of Republicans who watch Fox News as their primary news source say there is almost nothing Trump could do to lose their approval. By contrast, only 29 percent of Republicans who don’t cite Fox as their primary source say this."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/21/want-trump-removed-new-data-shows-that-fox-news-is-huge-obstacle/

[IdolEyes787]

The poll went on to say that Republicans who watch Fox News as their primary news source also drool when they speak.

[IdolEyes787]

Idol: Here we go Idol!!!!

Who just won the fucking popular vote in Canada:)

And you won't hear any fucking whining from the PC party!!! How'd the commies do? I need to know if I wasted my vote or not.

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[megabyteme]

The poll went on to say that Republicans who watch Fox News as their primary news source also drool when they speak.

Also 17 times more likely to shoot their own television than the general population.

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[dion09529]

The most basic of basics.

Why do you say that Dion?? First off, you don't live there?? And if UK does leave, how is it going to make it worse for you??

More interested to hear your views on that.....

All these politico-economic fluctuations manifest exponentially on a global scale. You heard about the butterfly effect? I'm sure you did! If a butterfly flaps his wings in Beijing, El Nino is triggered in the eastern Pacific.

PS: tangible changes that will directly affect you could be governments emergency ordinances, pay more taxes, dealing with migrants, increasing the differences between the social classes and others that don't come to my mind.

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[j2k4]

My views on ANTIFA.....Well Wikipedia says this

The antifa movement is composed of left-wing, autonomous, militant anti-fascist groups and individuals in the United States. The principal feature of antifa groups is their use of direct action, with conflicts occurring both online and in real life. They engage in varied protest tactics, which include digital activism, property damage, physical violence, and harassment against those whom they identify as fascist, racist, or on the far-right.

Activists involved in the movement tend to be anti-capitalists and subscribe to a range of ideologies, typically on the left. They include anarchists, socialists and communists along with some liberals and social democrats. Their stated focus is on fighting far-right and white supremacist ideologies directly, rather than through electoral means

Now true or not, do you see any good this can do in a Democratic society?? I guess it is who you speak to really, but i think a normal person that is walking on the street while these fucktards are having one of there rallies, they are free game for violence, and are not even asked what there views are first... Next.... We do have this crap in Canada, but not as bad as the US, and if you ever watch any interview that one of these nutjobs, they really don't have any clue why they are rioting or really know what they are trying to accomplish other than destruction of private property and think they have a free pass doing it...

So - you don't care for them either, huh?


And the biggest thing of all is anyone that is not part of there agenda is called a Racists!! or a Nazi :slap:. To me that is laughable considering i am a proud Canadian with Jewish heritage:lol:. And really this derogatory name calling and stereotyping , because you have a different view is just being played out and really has no meaning anymore. Like i said it is really funny calling me a White Nationalist, because i don't like some of the ridiculous policies of a party, and then pointing out some of the good ones.. Like all of those ANTIFA's nutjobs should be working at a fucking job during the day and trying to make a living, especially knowing that in the US has a booming economy..But they are hoping that some other party gets in and will give them free money to riot?? Saying that, would ANTIFA stop doing there shit if they got what they have no clue what they want:huh:

That is my view and opinion, your turn Idol since you like violence so much, what do you think.......

Can't won't speak for Idol, but I'm a bit mystified at what you might think of my leanings - as a pure-hearted Conservative, I am constantly baffled at how many people think Antifa is an organ of the Right.


So tell me J2k4, what do you think about Brexit??

Tell me what you know, tell me what you think.

Do not​ tell me what you think you know. :)

I know is Brexit is a move to extract the UK/Britain from the current incarnation of the European Union - ostensibly at the behest of the voting public, but hindered/obscured by politicians who think they know better.

From where I sit, it seems the deal should have been done by now; I tend to side with the people, not the pols.


While I'm at it, a word about word-bricks:

As one of the original offenders, as well as being one of the originators of the solutions (if you want people to read your shit, you have to aid in keeping them from going cross-eyed while doing so), I would suggest you begin by double-spacing every line you type.

Also, make a point or two per post to encourage response, rather than fostering a perception you are issuing a homework assignment.

If you can manage this, I will offer additional pointers as we proceed. ;)

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[IdolEyes787]

There is propaganda and then then are facts.

Taxes https://turbotax.intuit.ca/tips/an-overview-of-federal-tax-rates-286

Tobacco is heavily taxed to help offset the harm it does and to also make it's usage less desirable especially by young people. Granted, it's also an way to gain tax revenue for the government that doesn't upset a lot of people so not every motive is entirely pure.

As for products/produce costing more in Canada, I'm afraid the largest factor is the price gouging, not currency inequality, smaller markets or corporate taxation. You only have to look at how cheaply the cost of making things are and how greatly discounted things can be on sale for to see the truth in that. Also farmers, you know the people to to a great extent who keep us alive aren't the ones getting rich.

Democrats. You rant about the "liberal media" and yet you are the one posting Fox/White House talking points rote.

Trump. Please. Unless graft, pettiness, stupidity, ignorance, racism, lies,destroying the environment and the education system golf and Twitter are good for the American people then he has done literally nothing.

If you can look at Bill Taylor's testimony and not say all involved, including the President, should go to jail then you are a more delusional man than I.

PS Not "whining" concerning the popular vote would require you not bringing it up in the first place.

Btw Forgive me but conservative is just another way to say that your main concern is money and that you're afraid of change isn't it?

[shaina]

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[Caballero]

Really if you don't like Republicans or Fox.. Don't vote for them and really don't watch Fox news!!! What else can someone say Meg.....

Let's be serious for a moment, because you really don't take it serious enough. What you are saying is akin to "You don't like Hitler? Well, don't go to his rallies, then..." -- how did that work out in the long-run?

Fact is that Fox News is a propaganda machine that is brainwashing people. And yes, there are respectable news people working there, that is not in question. But the mixing of "news" with "opinions" that the average viewer most likely does not recognize, and their tendency to just make shit up and/or to not report critical news is a problem. Democracy lives when there's a system of checks and balances, and an independent media is part of that system. if there is neither check nor (fair and) balance, you have a problem that you don't solve by simply not tuning in.

Same problem with Facebook not holding political ads to the same truth standard as every other postings on their platform if you are knowingly spreading misinformation, or just don't care that your platform is (ab)used for that purpose, you are abdicating certain responsibilities to society.


I'll get off my soapbox now.

[Caballero]

The UK's land, people, etc are not going to change, there border will change, and how they trade will change, but if they buy things from the EU what makes you think that will change?? It just now gives them choice?? Not another Union committee dictating what happens, they now have choice...

Does that change imports or exports?? Does it change population?? Does it change way of life?? Does it change visiting or vacationing??

I don't understand what it is going to change in a UK perspective or a EU perspective?? Other than controlling there own borders??

Let me boil it down to one thing you can understand.

New tariffs/quotas/duties/nationally varying product standards/etc increase transactional costs that most likely will not be made up by any devaluing of the currency, leading to greater expense for the population and a lowering of the living standard.

If you don't get that, go read up on the whole comparative advantage thing...

[shaina]

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[IdolEyes787]

So you are calling me a liar...... No but I am saying that your Mum's so fat she has her own gravitational pull.

[IdolEyes787]

Actually i don't like Hitler;)...... Are we talking Adolph or Ralph because Ralph's a pretty decent guy if a bit of a Hitler.

[j2k4]

Wow.

Shaina - your postage makes my fucking eyes bleed.

Hard to read your blizzard of words, much less trying to answer.

[shaina]

Wow.
Shaina - your postage makes my fucking eyes bleed.
Hard to read your blizzard of words, much less trying to answer.

I apologize, truth i am a better verbal communicator not a typists;)

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[Barbarossa]

Wow.

Shaina - your postage makes my fucking eyes bleed.

Hard to read your blizzard of words, much less trying to answer.

:lol:

There's a reason I only play on twitter these days.

Shaina takes TL;DR to a whole new level.

[shaina]

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[Something Else]

How about posting like a human, talking.

[shaina]

:lol:

There's a reason I only play on twitter these days.

Shaina takes TL;DR to a whole new level.

The site is all yours......

Enjoy.....

[Caballero]

:lol:

There's a reason I only play on twitter these days.

Shaina takes TL;DR to a whole new level.

The site is all yours......

Enjoy.....

When you have a few minutes, read this article: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/03/11/the-making-of-the-fox-news-white-house

I guess hope dies last, but maybe you'll eventually understand why Fox News is not like any of the other networks.

For what it's worth, I'll take that back when you show me a poll that indicates that a greater number of Democrat voters who watch MSNBC believe in Trump's guilt than the percentage of Democrat voters who get their news from other channels.

[j2k4]

If you want to try it one or two things at a time, I'll give it a go.

HEY, BARBS! :biggrin:

[j2k4]

Wow.
Shaina - your postage makes my fucking eyes bleed.
Hard to read your blizzard of words, much less trying to answer.

I apologize, truth i am a better verbal communicator not a typists;)

No problem, but you would immediately become 50% more readable merely by double-spacing.

TRY IT - or do something else.

[Barbarossa]

If you want to try it one or two things at a time, I'll give it a go.

HEY, BARBS! :biggrin:

'sup j2!

[j2k4]

If you want to try it one or two things at a time, I'll give it a go.

HEY, BARBS! :biggrin:

'sup j2!

Fuck if I know.

Get older, get wiser, it doesn't help.

Frankly, stupidity might be preferable, but I haven't time to find out.

What I need is a stupid person just smart enough to give good info on that point, but then why bother.

[megabyteme]

See Shay, only gone a day and you are already being summoned back :lol:

[j2k4]

See Shay, only gone a day and you are already being summoned back :lol:

Have I offended him at all (at all).

[shaina]

See Shay, only gone a day and you are already being summoned back :lol:

Have I offended him at all (at all).

No you haven't, and i appreciated your suggestions......

[j2k4]

Good.

Anyway, still Brexit-maybe, yeah?

What's that say to any of you?

[shaina]

Good.

Anyway, still Brexit-maybe, yeah?

What's that say to any of you?

What i say is it is not going to change shit, except you will have borders that you can control....And that scares the shit out of

the illegal immigration that can roam across Europe freely.

And i was thinking if all the main European countries had borders, would those 39 people that died horrifically in the back of the

truck be alive today??

On a more interesting note....Knowing there are many of the Catholic faith in the UK J2K4, any word yet on allowing Trans-

Gender Priest getting there own congregations:unsure:

[Something Else]

Getting where.

[MacGyverSG1]

Good.

Anyway, still Brexit-maybe, yeah?

What's that say to any of you?

What i say is it is not going to change shit, except you will have borders that you can control....And that scares the shit out of

the illegal immigration that can roam across Europe freely.

And i was thinking if all the main European countries had borders, would those 39 people that died horrifically in the back of the

truck be alive today??

On a more interesting note....Knowing there are many of the Catholic faith in the UK J2K4, any word yet on allowing Trans-

Gender Priest getting there own congregations:unsure:

Spoken like a true cool-aid guzzling Tr*mp supporter.

The prices of many things are going to increase, dramatically. Many things are going to change. Bring back the IRA.

[shaina]

Spoken like a true cool-aid guzzling Tr*mp supporter.
The prices of many things are going to increase, dramatically. Many things are going to change. Bring back the IRA.

What can i say, I'd rather have someone that has common sense then have someone lie to me with pipe dreams and failed at math:idunno:..

Seems like you are getting a few wealthy people moving to your neck of the woods, buddy, gee i wonder why:D

I can say arguing without facts seems to be a left wing disease, but hey we all have to live together anyways, that is something that is being forgotten

today.....

I just asked that because in my faith, there are some issues as well... It was not in any way to be disrespectful.. Again the big problem, life still goes on no

matter who you or others put in charge...

Try not to forget that MacGyver;), the person that lives in a city next to you may have a different opinion , but we all have to get along......

Interesting, that i did hear and see online that they consider Trump as a Moderate Republican, to see a Democrat steal the Election in 2020, the Democrats

are going to have to find the same or, they are fucked!!!!. Truthfully it will be interesting if there will be a chance that there will be a Gay president before a

woman??....

Bye-Bye Robert Francis !!!

I will end like that;)

[j2k4]

Shaina, you seem to have the idea I'm from the UK...

[shaina]

Shaina, you seem to have the idea I'm from the UK...

Scotland ??

[j2k4]

No sir...fully constituted American, here.

[shaina]

No sir...fully constituted American, here.

No Fucking way!!!!:lol:

Your kidding me right!!!

[jabbathehut]

Yeah either this gets dragged on enough such that one of the other member states no longer votes to extend brexit, or there is another referendum. I don't see any way that a deal is struck given that there is no deal that is acceptable.

[shaina]

Yeah either this gets dragged on enough such that one of the other member states no longer votes to extend brexit, or there is another referendum. I don't see any way that a deal is struck given that there is no deal that is acceptable.

The only way really is if the Conservative Party wins the majority in the Dec election, then Brexit will happen, with or without a deal....

At least that is what i assume :unsure:

Is that right Cabby??

[shaina]

No sir...fully constituted American, here.

My extreme apologies if i insulted you, with that assumption you were from the UK buddy :)

[Barbarossa]

Good.

Anyway, still Brexit-maybe, yeah?

What's that say to any of you?

What i say is it is not going to change shit, except you will have borders that you can control....And that scares the shit out of

the illegal immigration that can roam across Europe freely.

And i was thinking if all the main European countries had borders, would those 39 people that died horrifically in the back of the

truck be alive today??

On a more interesting note....Knowing there are many of the Catholic faith in the UK J2K4, any word yet on allowing Trans-

Gender Priest getting there own congregations:unsure:

Ummm, if we don't already have borders we are controlling, why did they feel the need to try and sneak into the country in a fucking fridge?

[IdolEyes787]

Ummm, if we don't already have borders we are controlling, why did they feel the need to try and sneak into the country in a fucking fridge?

Because a lot of shipping containers aren't air conditioned?

[shaina]

Ummm, if we don't already have borders we are controlling, why did they feel the need to try and sneak into the country in a fucking fridge?


Did i say or use the word "sneak" in my post?? The people that were in the truck didn't originate from the UK right;)...They

weren't flown in and then put on a truck.... They travelled across Europe without any borders.....Why was it never stopped

going the distance it did?? I don't think it read live humans on the trucks manifest??

Funny even if you Travel in the US or Canada there are many inspection/weight stations they must enter while travelling, let

alone borders between the two countries.... If a Truck travels from France to the UK, is there any security measures ?? I won't

even get into the Middle East ;)

Better question Barbs, are you from the UK?? And is there an immigration, drug, or sex trafficking issues across Europe?? And do

you think borders would help that??

[shaina]

Because a lot of shipping containers aren't air conditioned?

Sick and kind of funny:unsure:

[j2k4]

Ummm, if we don't already have borders we are controlling, why did they feel the need to try and sneak into the country in a fucking fridge?

A lot of it seems to have more to do with the evolving delineation of what constitutes a "border".

The idea that any sort of land-bridge indicates some vague commonality doesn't jibe well at all with actual human behavior, never mind what experts

purport to tell us.

[shaina]

A lot of it seems to have more to do with the evolving delineation of what constitutes a "border".
The idea that any sort of land-bridge indicates some vague commonality doesn't jibe well at all with actual human behavior, never mind what experts
purport to tell us.

Good point J2K4, but still i would like to know if there is actual Transport Stations they have to go through traveling from country

to country across Europe for inspections??

You know regardless of true Borders J2k4 that there are Transport Stations all across America and Canada... And if they are

open you must go in get weighed, show your manifest, and how many hours you been driving, at least!!!

I am kind of figuring that doesn't happen across Europe!!!, considering all the illegal immigration alone coming out of the Middle

East!!!...

And Europe is feeling it now that open borders is not the greatest thing.......

[Barbarossa]

A lot of it seems to have more to do with the evolving delineation of what constitutes a "border".
The idea that any sort of land-bridge indicates some vague commonality doesn't jibe well at all with actual human behavior, never mind what experts
purport to tell us.

Good point J2K4, but still i would like to know if there is actual Transport Stations they have to go through traveling from country

to country across Europe for inspections??

You know regardless of true Borders J2k4 that there are Transport Stations all across America and Canada... And if they are

open you must go in get weighed, show your manifest, and how many hours you been driving, at least!!!

I am kind of figuring that doesn't happen across Europe!!!, considering all the illegal immigration alone coming out of the Middle

East!!!...

And Europe is feeling it now that open borders is not the greatest thing.......

Over 10,000 vehicles per day (7,000 of which are lorries) pass through the port of Dover, and you want to inspect every single one?? It's just not practical. Hence the contingency planning for no-deal Brexit involved turning most of the motorways of Kent into a lorry park...

Pretty sure we have transport stations on our major routes, in fact there's one just up the road from me. I don't know what the requirements are for inspections though. :unsure:

The problem with Europe, well the EU in particular is not the lack of internal borders, but the lack of an effective external border.

[shaina]

Over 10,000 vehicles per day (7,000 of which are lorries) pass through the port of Dover, and you want to inspect every single one?? It's just not practical. Hence the contingency planning for no-deal Brexit involved turning most of the motorways of Kent into a lorry park...
Pretty sure we have transport stations on our major routes, in fact there's one just up the road from me. I don't know what the requirements are for inspections though.
:unsure

So... Is that supposed to be impressive how many trucks/cars come through:unsure:. They have portable x-ray scanners that

are used at our borders , and they are used on the cars as well..What about train, boat, etc.. In Israel thousands of Trucks are

off-loaded and reloaded to check for weapons, drugs, missiles, etc. And also scanned ...

The Uk is bigger than Israel no;)


The problem with Europe, well the EU in particular is not the lack of internal borders, but the lack of an effective
external border.

Is Brexit a really bad idea:noes:, Again i say with borders between countries, what really changes in Trade??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6sLOl37in8

Now have a few of these around;)

[j2k4]

The problem with Europe, well the EU in particular is not the lack of internal borders, but the lack of an effective external border.

Agreed; the issue of internal borders is down to whatever the mutual attitudes of the countries who share them, but the coastal areas are wildly varying, I'm sure.

None of that has any commonality with the situation vis a vis Brexit, however - at least it doesn't seem so from here.

Tell me if I am wrong, but I think the Brits wish to consider the two matters separately.


So... Is that supposed to be impressive how many trucks/cars come through:unsure:. They have portable x-ray scanners that

are used at our borders , and they are used on the cars as well..What about train, boat, etc.. In Israel thousands of Trucks are

off-loaded and reloaded to check for weapons, drugs, missiles, etc. And also scanned ...

The Uk is bigger than Israel no;)


The problem with Europe, well the EU in particular is not the lack of internal borders, but the lack of an effective
external border.

Is Brexit a really bad idea:noes:, Again i say with borders between countries, what really changes in Trade??

I think Israel is a model of active security - potential missile-traffic aside.

The actual issues go beyond trade and border intrusion; I believe them to be - again, tell me if I'm wrong - primarily administrative/judicial.

The ICC/Hague certainly doesn't hold any appeal, does it?

[shaina]

I think Israel is a model of active security - potential missile-traffic aside.

The actual issues go beyond trade and border intrusion; I believe them to be - again, tell me if I'm wrong - primarily administrative/judicial.

Really the truth, all the trucks that go into Gaza are all inspected, except the ones that come from Israel itself....They have the best technology in the world to

prevent smuggling, but saying that you can stop everything, would just make you naive;)

When it comes to Missile Defense or any Military technology, it is shared with the US, mostly designed and improved in Israel and built in the US....

Really there is no such thing as perfect defense, but i can tell you, what Israel does have saves millions of lives.....But peace would be a better

solution...But the chances are very slim... So they never let there guard down and life goes on there:D




The ICC/Hague certainly doesn't hold any appeal, does it?

Like the US, it is not recognized other than being a kangaroo court.. and the majority of it's backers/members are dictator counties today.. Pretty much the UN and there offshoots..

You only have to watch any live stream of the UN , and see if they are an ally of the US they block, and if Russia they block, nothing gets done other than all the Dictators Have a lovely vacation in the US :)

[shaina]

Agreed; the issue of internal borders is down to whatever the mutual attitudes of the countries who share them, but the coastal areas are wildly varying, I'm

sure.

None of that has any commonality with the situation vis a vis Brexit, however - at least it doesn't seem so from here.

Tell me if I am wrong, but I think the Brits wish to consider the two matters separately.

That would be interesting to know??

Really you never hear an issue of external borders, just locking off the freedom of entry, or controlling it.....

That is the other thing i don't really understand, yes the EU is intertwined, but are they not considered all separate countries, budgets, etc?? Obviously

they have separate Government, so if there is a separation, they are not starting from the beginning. they have a system in place....

So now it is trade?? In and out.....And i guess if they choose to accept Euros??

And make controlled secure borders, make negotiations on trade (which they already do!!).. What else am i missing??

Now i assume Barbs does live in that Territory, how does it look for the Conservative Party there vs the Terrorist Labour Party??