Windows 7 vs Windows 10

[MacGyverSG1]

I'm thinking of installing a new boot drive (SSD NVMe using PCIe adapter) for my main computer. I've been using Windows 7 since RTM was released. I haven't really looked at Windows 10 at all. I know I don't like how it keeps track of everything you do. Are their any advantages of using it over Windows 7? I'm not a gamer, anymore. UT 2004 was last big game I played. I don't care about syncing shit up to other devices. I don't use Facebook, Twitter, or any of that other shit. I know eventually I will have to run Windows 10 when M$ completely stops supporting Windows 7. Hopefully microsoft will delay that date since more people use 7 vs 10, but then they did end XP (except for rare situations).

Any thoughts?

[Caballero]

Are security patches a big deal to you? :)

[anon]

I know eventually I will have to run Windows 10 when M$ completely stops supporting Windows 7.

Says who? ;) So many people are using Windows 9x to this day, keeping it alive and up with the times through unofficial patches. The same will happen to XP when 2019 rolls around, and eventually, 7.

Also, "end of support" doesn't mean "end of the world". Yes, if a security hole is found you will no longer get an update to plug it... but the vulnerabilities that can still affect you if you have good security practices and don't rely on outdated or superfluous programs (like the Internet Explorer 8 engine or Flash Player) are very few. WannaCry was one of those few, mind you, which is why it gained so much notoriety, to the point of Microsoft releasing patches for XP and 2003 even though they were already unsupported.

Anyway, you'll be fine with 7. That's what I use, my usage patterns are the same as yours, and I don't plan on moving anytime soon. Note that you may have to install the drivers for your new SSD before you make the switch, or else you'll get a BSOD on startup.

[MacGyverSG1]

I have made a custom Win7 Pro w/ SP1 install on USB thumb drive with USB 3.0 and NVMe drivers (plus all updates available) slip-streamed. I may just install the SDD as a secondary drive, format it, then copy the custom Win7 install onto it. Then pull my old boot drive and set SDD as Primary/Boot and install Windows from itself. Much faster that way.

[anon]

Yeah, I was thinking of installing the drivers, making an image of your current install, swapping the disks and reimaging. But I recall another post from you saying you haven't reinstalled Windows since 2009, so this is indeed a perfect opportunity for a fresh start :D

[MacGyverSG1]

Definitely need a fresh start. There are quirks to this current Windows install. I'm hoping a fresh install will fix everything. Once I get all the apps I use installed and everything fine-tuned, I'll create a backup image so next time will be easy.

[mazriel]

I was gonna say that the biggest difference I can think of is that Direct X goes up a version. I'm also not a huge gamer but I'd imagine that it's an imrpovement.

Personally I'm flirting with the idea of going back to 7. 10 has too many little things I'm not keen on but live with (the tiled start menu, different locations and feel of control panel, recurring fluff installed like Minecraft and Paint 3D) never mind all the telemetry.

Should still be a free and legal update with adaptive technologies if you wanted to try it.

[rotansharma]

The most significant difference between Windows 7 and Windows 10 is that Windows 10 is an attempt to synchronize the OS on all its products. This includes PCs laptops tablets phones as well as its Xboxs. Whereas Windows 7 is only supported on PCs and laptops. Another difference between the OSes is search.

[MacGyverSG1]

I was gonna say that the biggest difference I can think of is that Direct X goes up a version. I'm also not a huge gamer but I'd imagine that it's an imrpovement.

Personally I'm flirting with the idea of going back to 7. 10 has too many little things I'm not keen on but live with (the tiled start menu, different locations and feel of control panel, recurring fluff installed like Minecraft and Paint 3D) never mind all the telemetry.

Should still be a free and legal update with adaptive technologies if you wanted to try it.

Yeah, I don't game anymore, expect for a couple real old games that have been re-released recently to work in Windows 7, 8, 8.1, 10. There are a couple of apps that can change the Start Menu to make it look like Windows 7 or Windows XP Start Menu on Win10. There are also a couple apps to shutoff and/or disable the telemetry. I have no idea how effective they are.


The most significant difference between Windows 7 and Windows 10 is that Windows 10 is an attempt to synchronize the OS on all its products. This includes PCs laptops tablets phones as well as its Xboxs. Whereas Windows 7 is only supported on PCs and laptops. Another difference between the OSes is search.

I don't use tablets or cellphones and could care less about the search feature. So I guess nothing missed there.

[RuZoG]

I run Windows 7 still on dedicated older gaming system that I don't connect to the net. Arcade cabs and stuff like that.

[MacGyverSG1]

I have an old computer that's running DOS and Win95 for older games. I was going to dual boot it with WinXP, but haven't had the time or desire. I much prefer the older games from the 80's, 90's and early 2000's.

[anon]

Nothing like booting from a custom floppy to have as much free conventional memory as possible for gaming ;)

[MacGyverSG1]

All you need to do is "LH" as many drivers as possible. I had multiple autoexec.bat and config.sys combos for different games. Depends whether you need a mouse, cdrom or even sound card (the real old games would use PC speaker).

QEMM became my best friend.

[Aronsmith]

Three years ago we were benchmarking Microsoft's then latest operating system, Windows 8. At the time we were keen to make sure Windows 8 performed as well as Windows 7, which was a huge upgrade from 2006's Windows Vista.

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
Boot, Sleep & Hibernate Performance

Using BootRacer measured the time it took for Windows to boot. Windows 8.1 delivered the best result taking just four seconds opposed to six seconds on Windows 10, from the Windows logo to usable desktop.

Hybrid Sleep

Windows 7 takes quite long to wake from sleep -- 17 seconds on average. Windows 8.1 is considerably faster taking just 12 seconds, though Windows 10 was able to improve on this shaving off an additional 2 seconds.

Hibernate

The wake up from hibernation results are similar to wake from sleep. Here Windows 10 took just 21 seconds, while Windows 8.1 was slightly slower taking 23 seconds and then Windows 7 at 27 seconds.

Cinebench R15

Windows 10 was 7% faster than Win 7, though it was just 2% faster than Win 8.1.

Futuremark PCMark 7

PCMark 7 with some interesting results: Windows 8.1 was consistently faster than Win 7 by a little over 100pts while Windows 10 was around 600pts faster on average. Further examination reveals that for whatever reason PCMark 7 was showing much higher "video playback and transcoding / video transcoding" performance under Windows 10 than the previous Microsoft operating systems. The result was almost twice as fast in hitting 9600kB/s.

Microsoft Excel 2016

Windows 10 delivered similar performance to Win 7 in Excel 2013, while 8.1 was consistently slower.

Mozilla

At this point Firefox is slower in Windows 10 when compared to 8.1 and 7, based on an average of 7 runs we found it was 7% slower.

Chrome

Interestingly both Windows 10 and Windows 8.1 were slower than Windows 7 when measuring Chrome performance

Internet Explorer

Internet Explorer 11 is very slow on all three operating systems compared to Firefox and Chrome.

Photoshop CC

The best results with Photoshop CC were seen when using Windows 8, while Windows 10 matched the performance of Windows 7

WinRAR

When testing with WinRAR, we find that Windows 10 is slower than both 8.1 and 7 in 7-Zip.

HandBrake

Windows 10 delivered similar performance to Windows 7 in HandBrake encoding test while 8.1 was noticeably faster than both.

Gaming Performance

Finally, here Windows 10 performed well, delivering strong performance at both tested resolutions.

The short version of this conclusion is that a properly set up Windows machine equipped with semi-modern hardware should be capable of running Windows 7 or above more than adequately. The same hardware that currently runs Windows 7 competently can be upgraded to Windows 10 with no issues whatsoever on the performance front.

I've determined that Windows 8 was on par with 7 and at times a fraction faster.

[MacGyverSG1]

Unfortunately most synthetic benchmarks mean nothing. They are usually optimized for certain hardware and OS, so the numbers really don't mean much. They can be useful to diagnose problem hardware, though. I don't know what the fascination is for boot times, time to wake from sleep and hibernation. I'm certainly not going to pick an OS based on those numbers. I think Windows 10 is slower than 7 and 8 when running Internet apps because of all the extra data that is being handled. Data collection clogs the pipe, plus all the background services running keeping track of everything. If Windows 10 would get rid of all the telemetry shit and get streamlined from the junk, it could be very fast.

[anon]

Windows 10 is faster than 8.1 and 7 overall, but the difference isn't big enough to make you feel like you're missing out.

Boot times are also meaningless to me, since I use standby mode and never turn off my computer :P Windows 8 and above "cheats" by hibernating the kernel even during a regular shutdown, so it's faster than 7, but how many times a day do you reboot for a few seconds to be meaningful anyway?

[shaina]

Windows 10 is faster than 8.1 and 7 overall, but the difference isn't big enough to make you feel like you're missing out.

So you saying that Anon i assume you are talking out of the box copies of these operating systems...

But saying you shut down some of the features in any of them that an everyday user of windows really never uses, and i would think that there would be more for Win 10?? Then can you see a difference??

I disabled and bunch in windows 7 to speed it up a bit, but i do find that even doing that depending on the Hard Drive you are using?? That actually made more of a difference, especially multi tasking...

What always puzzles me is you see the hard drive working hard and the CPU doing nothing?? Even in downloading.. The question you may be able to answer??

I think you are more a Torrent guy but as you know, you were kind of forced to use Sabnzb to actually download and have it extracted properly, but it is really slowing down my pc when i try to multi task or even switch tabs to open other sites on Firefox?? I opened up Task-manager and see there is no real stress on the CPU but the Hard drive yes is showing use but not anywhere near maximum..
When i used to use my old school Altbinz download program i never had these problems?? Do you know anything about this or how to tweak either windows or SABnzb to solve that problem??
Or actually anyone know how to fix/solve this problem

Thanks.........

[anon]

But saying you shut down some of the features in any of them that an everyday user of windows really never uses, and i would think that there would be more for Win 10?? Then can you see a difference??

Most features are not active in any way if not used, so you wouldn't obtain anything from this. Stopping unnecessary services can result in some gains if you know what should and shouldn't be touched.


What always puzzles me is you see the hard drive working hard and the CPU doing nothing?? Even in downloading.. The question you may be able to answer??

If the disk is so active then something is obviously using it. Use the Resource Monitor under System Tools and you'll see exactly what, and what for.

As for your SABnzbd question, my guess is that it's using a ton of memory and Windows has to read from the swap file like crazy whenever you switch to another program. I would start by limiting the size of the article cache in the settings, mine's set to 4M and I've never had any trouble.

Once again, the Resource Monitor will help you find the cause and confirm any theories.

[shaina]

Thank you for the suggestions and the help Anon...

Now being a bit of a dummy without a video guide or play by play instructions :lol:

How do you do this..
"I would start by limiting the size of the article cache in the settings, mine's set to 4M and I've never had any trouble."

And maybe i should have explained better, this is only happening when i am Downloading from Usenet and using NZB, and trying to multi-task.. If i am doing nothing, the computer is sitting at pretty much zero's in CPU and Hard Drive use, so trying to see something in resource monitor?? well i just don't see it...
I can say with Altbinz i do have everything shut off when it comes to extracting and stuff, meaning i use Winrar when all the files are downloaded so you can say two programs (and occasionally quick par if i need to see if files are missing but not all the time or constantly needed to run), but because of the new obfuscation, you have to let Sabnzb do it all, you can't disable the extraction part, plus Sabnzb is web based and the Altbinz is a windows program??

I am not sure if that matters or not?? But i can only think it has to do really more on how SABnzb works and the stress it is putting on the Hard drive??
If you Anon or anyone actually has or can show me/ go through there optimal settings or meaning they have fiddled with the settings to make SABnzb more efficient and not affect the performance of there PC??
And chances are it is something stupid or minor i should change in the SAB settings!! but i don't want to fuck with it and either make it worse or better yet stop working...

Edit: And really your explanation on disabling services....yes in theory some are not active automatically, but if you do something by accident or start a program, until you reboot your PC it may or may not make it inactive no?? So disabling it completely will assure it..Like i completely disable system notifications on all of my PC's just an example not just turn them off, and doing that i notice a difference in task manager on usage programs and speed just with something as small as that...

[MacGyverSG1]

If you run QuickPar and WinRAR at the same time, it will slow down your computer a lot (especially if the files are located on same HDD, not SSD so much). And if you are downloading files at the same time (same HDD), it will be even slower. Having many tabs open in web browser (especially with Chrome) will bring a computer to its knees. I've done it and I have 16GB of RAM with fast SSD for OS and 7200 RPM HDD for downloads.

[shaina]

If you run QuickPar and WinRAR at the same time, it will slow down your computer a lot (especially if the files are located on same HDD, not SSD so much). And if you are downloading files at the same time (same HDD), it will be even slower. Having many tabs open in web browser (especially with Chrome) will bring a computer to its knees. I've done it and I have 16GB of RAM with fast SSD for OS and 7200 RPM HDD for downloads.

I know that buddy, it is happening to me, but i am not sure if QuickPar is used or running on SABnzb?? I think Multipar is used and it is not as a hog has the other.
Are you using SABnzb?? and my PC is not as Pistol Pete as yours:D So i am wondering if there is settings you can tweak in the Internet based SABnzb program to stop the bogging and i let SAB do everything from start to a finished file?? And i switched because of the obfuscation, being honest i am not fond of internet based programs, i prefer windows internal ones....

Does Anyone know?? Details in there Settings/setup would be appreciated so i can try?? It really is fuckin annoying!!!!

[MacGyverSG1]

I use SAB for obfuscated stuff only. Otherwise I use Newsleecher or Forte Agent. I like the programs to just download the files without any other activity (par scanning or unraring). I'll do that myself. Sometimes programs screw things up if a file(s) needs repair. Sometimes the par2 file thinks a file is bad when it really isn't (very rare, but happens). I especially hate it when the rars are deleted by program when it thinks everything is good. I don't think it matters which par program is used. Reading the files to check them really taxes a HDD. Extracting a bunch of RAR files does the same.

[anon]

How do you do this..
"I would start by limiting the size of the article cache in the settings, mine's set to 4M and I've never had any trouble."

It's at the bottom of the General (first) tab when you open the settings. Disabling multi-core PAR2 at Switches -> Post-Processing may also help.

I can share my configuration file if you want, but apart from those two changes, custom directories and (of course) server login data, it's pretty much the default. I only use newsgroups when I can't find something elsewhere, and with free servers.

[MacGyverSG1]

If you run QuickPar and WinRAR at the same time, it will slow down your computer a lot (especially if the files are located on same HDD, not SSD so much). And if you are downloading files at the same time (same HDD), it will be even slower. Having many tabs open in web browser (especially with Chrome) will bring a computer to its knees. I've done it and I have 16GB of RAM with fast SSD for OS and 7200 RPM HDD for downloads.

I know that buddy, it is happening to me, but i am not sure if QuickPar is used or running on SABnzb?? I think Multipar is used and it is not as a hog has the other.
Are you using SABnzb?? and my PC is not as Pistol Pete as yours:D So i am wondering if there is settings you can tweak in the Internet based SABnzb program to stop the bogging and i let SAB do everything from start to a finished file?? And i switched because of the obfuscation, being honest i am not fond of internet based programs, i prefer windows internal ones....

Does Anyone know?? Details in there Settings/setup would be appreciated so i can try?? It really is fuckin annoying!!!!

BTW, my PC is not that great, more like Danny Ainge. It's consists of an Asus Maximus V Extreme Z77 motherboard with i7-3770K, 16GB DDR3-1866 RAM, Plextor PX-256M3P SATA SSD, and 73TB of HDDs all housed in a Corsair Obsidian 800D. It's over six years old and showing its age. Slow compared to today's hardware, but gets the job done. I don't game anymore, so I'm using a GeForce GTX 750 Ti. I don't like to run integrated GPU.

[anon]

my PC is not that great

No, I'm the only person in this forum allowed to use this phrase :P

[shaina]

BTW, my PC is not that great, more like Danny Ainge. It's consists of an Asus Maximus V Extreme Z77 motherboard with i7-3770K, 16GB DDR3-1866 RAM, Plextor PX-256M3P SATA SSD, and 73TB of HDDs all housed in a Corsair Obsidian 800D. It's over six years old and showing its age. Slow compared to today's hardware, but gets the job done. I don't game anymore, so I'm using a GeForce GTX 750 Ti. I don't like to run integrated GPU.

Well that being old is still a ton better than i am using, but in all honesty i just use my one PC just for downloading and surfing the net if i am in the play room, oh and i do some printing:), other than that i have a bunch of laptops pretty much all over the house , and a dedicated PC just for streaming through out the house (That has 17 TB of drive space to fill up;))..

So going back to my Downloading PC. It is an older AMD with a Asus motherboard and an onboard gigabit Ethernet port, and 2 7200rpm hard drives:cry:
I don't do gaming other than occasional game consoles and old school meme on my original xbox to play donkey kong/ crazy kong, or i mix it up with some crystal castles and frogger:yup:. My kids are the PC/Laptop gaming nuts!!! me i can get away with any dinosaur vintage PC for what i do with them, other than it having a half descent, CPU and a motherboard that can get gigabit connection speeeds (What i have with rogers here), i never really cared about anything else.......

But still adding a fancy hard drive or even upgrading and spending a fortune i am now assuming that even going pistol Pete for just downloading is not going to solve the SAB choking problem?? Or at least you didn't give me any settings suggestions to do that:idunno:

PS. Question?? So i see you don't like to run integrated GPU?? If you are not gaming?? What difference would it really make?? EG. I did tinker adding a video card to my pc just to see if there was going to be a difference with the downloading speeds or extracting shit!!, and maybe it was me but i felt no difference??
So i just removed it and just use CPU onboard graphics, and have it really set to minimum, and ya i know it is locked in windows for the video part, but as i said i felt zero difference......

So any help on the settings buddy that you may think can help Just send me a PM, i would appreciate it and don't mind a bit of tinkering.....

Thanks:)


No, I'm the only person in this forum allowed to use this phrase :P

Really Anon if you are a PC gamer today i would assume (especially knowing what it costs for my kids!!), you have no choice but to fork out some cash to have it run properly, and not having to keep fiddling with the settings to have a game run??

[anon]

Really Anon if you are a PC gamer today i would assume (especially knowing what it costs for my kids!!), you have no choice but to fork out some cash to have it run properly, and not having to keep fiddling with the settings to have a game run??

I was never really a gamer, but all I play these days is visual novels, which have minimal hardware requirements. My desktop computer does have a discrete graphics card, but that's because it lacks any kind of integrated video.

Integrated graphics sucked in the past, but nowadays they offer features that used to be a luxury, including accelerated video and even good performance on some 3D games. I agree that for "office" tasks there's little need for something else, unless you have some very old or very new monitor with no connector types in common, or really don't want to spare a few dozen MBs of memory for video. Not to mention you'll decrease your power consumption too.

[MacGyverSG1]

I don't like to use integrated GPU to decrease CPU heat output. Whether it makes a big difference, IDK. I'm sure there are some reviews out there that tested it. It will also extend the CPU life. The Intel HD 4000 is not that great to begin with. I am using a BenQ BL3200. It's a 32" 2560x1440 VA panel. Figured the GeForce GTX 750 Ti would drive it better than integrated. I was thinking of upgrading to a 1050 Ti, but who knows when GPU prices will come back down to normal.

shaina, if you install a SATA SSD (your hardware probably can't handle NVME SSD (m.2), unless using a PCIe adapter card (can't boot OS)) and use it as download drive (or boot drive), SAB and QuickPar would fly. HDDs just can't handle all that reading and writing at the same time. No settings will help out. Adding a video card will not help downloading or extracting shit. SSD!!!

[shaina]

shaina, if you install a SATA SSD (your hardware probably can't handle NVME SSD (m.2), unless using a PCIe adapter card (can't boot OS)) and use it as download drive (or boot drive), SAB and QuickPar would fly. HDDs just can't handle all that reading and writing at the same time. No settings will help out. Adding a video card will not help downloading or extracting shit. SSD!!!
I can tell you i just built it as a budget machine, hens going AMD instead of Intel (my server is Intel:)), and if i get x amount of years out of it, i will just build another frugal machine that does the basic needs i use it for;). And being honest i'd rather put my money towards Audio and visual equipment.


My motherboard is asus a88x plus , and there is 2 PCI slots so because i am not using any graphics cards, so technically i could do the NVME ssd, but they said on a few web sites it may be finicky with that motherboard:).
So i am thinking Samsung 860 EVO 2.5" SATA III 500GB Read: 550MB/s; Write: 520MB/s Solid State Drive (MZ-76E500B/AM)??
Do you have a better suggestion??

And thanks again for your suggestions and help buddy......


I was never really a gamer, but all I play these days is visual novels, which have minimal hardware requirements. My desktop computer does have a discrete graphics card, but that's because it lacks any kind of integrated video.
Integrated graphics sucked in the past, but nowadays they offer features that used to be a luxury, including accelerated video and even good performance on some 3D games. I agree that for "office" tasks there's little need for something else, unless you have some very old or very new monitor with no connector types in common, or really don't want to spare a few dozen MBs of memory for video. Not to mention you'll decrease your power consumption too.

Funny i was just looking on Canada Computers site for a ssd drive, and just took a peek at the new CPU's, and it seems that most of them now don't even offer built in GPU's, basically forcing you to get separate video cards.
I looked when you said Visual Novels?? Thinking WTF is that!! interesting you are into that, but if i was into that i would have a laptop hooked up to a humongous TV screen, and or being mobile using a Tablet or some sorts:idunno: A tower PC would be overkill , and still have it hooked up to a monster TV:)
My one son luvs playing these interactive games where you have puzzles and stuff to solve or like nerd jeopardy, and you use your Cell Phones to play??
I glance at the TV screen as he has his friends over and they play it in the room where my Download PC is in, It is interesting, but i still prefer Donkey Kong or Rory Mcilroy PGA golf:).
I always like to look at power consumption, but after a while it is really impossible to get around when you are running a media server and really having TV's running all the time, then you add surround sound with powered subs and shit!!! power consumption just goes out the window!!!

[Gribley]

...and this would be when you stick in a odroid or Pi server to do all the crap for you off a 2.4A USB adaptor

setup your Sabnzbd, Deluge and a samba share... also mini-dlna for audio streams in my case and you can offload all your download and share issues onto a box that costs £50, is silent and handy to stick up in the loft/attic

[shaina]

...and this would be when you stick in a odroid or Pi server to do all the crap for you off a 2.4A USB adaptor

setup your Sabnzbd, Deluge and a samba share... also mini-dlna for audio streams in my case and you can offload all your download and share issues onto a box that costs £50, is silent and handy to stick up in the loft/attic

Sorry buddy but you lost me at Pi:)
What do you want me to Download with?? And how do i attach storage?? Right now i use a PC to download and what i keep i move to a completely separate PC/Server??(and the PC's are connected with a usb line and it FTP's all the completed stuff after i rename them)
I should have mentioned as well that the Usenet provider i do use only offers 300Mbps speeds as well but that is not the issue Gribley, the issue is when it is extracting and doing this automatically with SAB, it is hogging or bogging the Hard Drive usage, the CPU doesn't get past 20%??, and i should say it downloads a TV show in say seconds (less than a minute), but depending how many things i am downloading the extraction part is where all the usage is coming in...


So what are you trying to help with??

PS. Speaking of being a Pi lover as long as i have known you, have you every tried streaming a BD50 movie (80bgig video and sound rip)?? and how did it play if you did??

PS. And i am not sure if you read my other posts, but I never had or noticed this issue because i always used multiple programs Altbinz, Quick par (if it was needed), and win rar, and none are internet based either, now SAB is?? and it has to be set to auto extract or it won't work on some downloads right?? and i don't bother looking anymore on which ones will or won't work on Altbinz, it started to become a pain in the ASS!! when i looked in the folder and it didn't download all the pieces for it to be extracted manually with winrar....

[Gribley]

...and this would be when you stick in a odroid or Pi server to do all the crap for you off a 2.4A USB adaptor

setup your Sabnzbd, Deluge and a samba share... also mini-dlna for audio streams in my case and you can offload all your download and share issues onto a box that costs £50, is silent and handy to stick up in the loft/attic

Sorry buddy but you lost me at Pi:)
What do you want me to Download with?? And how do i attach storage?? Right now i use a PC to download and what i keep i move to a completely separate PC/Server??(and the PC's are connected with a usb line and it FTP's all the completed stuff after i rename them)
I should have mentioned as well that the Usenet provider i do use only offers 300Mbps speeds as well but that is not the issue Gribley, the issue is when it is extracting and doing this automatically with SAB, it is hogging or bogging the Hard Drive usage, the CPU doesn't get past 20%??, and i should say it downloads a TV show in say seconds (less than a minute), but depending how many things i am downloading the extraction part is where all the usage is coming in...


So what are you trying to help with??

PS. Speaking of being a Pi lover as long as i have known you, have you every tried streaming a BD50 movie (80bgig video and sound rip)?? and how did it play if you did??

PS. And i am not sure if you read my other posts, but I never had or noticed this issue because i always used multiple programs Altbinz, Quick par (if it was needed), and win rar, and none are internet based either, now SAB is?? and it has to be set to auto extract or it won't work on some downloads right?? and i don't bother looking anymore on which ones will or won't work on Altbinz, it started to become a pain in the ASS!! when i looked in the folder and it didn't download all the pieces for it to be extracted manually with winrar....

A picture is worth more than explaining I guess:181060

Ignore the pumpkin just happens to be there.... happy Halloween.

So to the left is my web server (an original Pi Mk1), to the right is the odroid C2 doing all my downloads and in the middle is a really cheap USB HDD hub. Using an old 750Gb drive that I had sitting around.

The thing hums away to itself perfectly without any hassles. I`ve not tried to stream BD off it but realistically the only bottleneck is the USB connection which I guess could cause a problem if I really pushed it. But then in that case they odroid make some nice hardware with SATA interfaces, just not needed it.

SAB and Deluge are all webby interface based on the home network, the boxes as you see are all headerless so SSH and webby is the way to chat with them. SAMBA is installed to make it easier to pull files back to the real PC when needed but also has the the purpose of opening a share to the USB drive for my various KODI boxes.

Also all stuff through that box runs via OpenVPN and my ipvanish account with makes me all warm and fuzzy

[MacGyverSG1]

I can tell you i just built it as a budget machine, hens going AMD instead of Intel (my server is Intel:)), and if i get x amount of years out of it, i will just build another frugal machine that does the basic needs i use it for;). And being honest i'd rather put my money towards Audio and visual equipment.


My motherboard is asus a88x plus , and there is 2 PCI slots so because i am not using any graphics cards, so technically i could do the NVME ssd, but they said on a few web sites it may be finicky with that motherboard:).
So i am thinking Samsung 860 EVO 2.5" SATA III 500GB Read: 550MB/s; Write: 520MB/s Solid State Drive (MZ-76E500B/AM)??
Do you have a better suggestion??

And thanks again for your suggestions and help buddy......


I was never really a gamer, but all I play these days is visual novels, which have minimal hardware requirements. My desktop computer does have a discrete graphics card, but that's because it lacks any kind of integrated video.
Integrated graphics sucked in the past, but nowadays they offer features that used to be a luxury, including accelerated video and even good performance on some 3D games. I agree that for "office" tasks there's little need for something else, unless you have some very old or very new monitor with no connector types in common, or really don't want to spare a few dozen MBs of memory for video. Not to mention you'll decrease your power consumption too.

Funny i was just looking on Canada Computers site for a ssd drive, and just took a peek at the new CPU's, and it seems that most of them now don't even offer built in GPU's, basically forcing you to get separate video cards.
I looked when you said Visual Novels?? Thinking WTF is that!! interesting you are into that, but if i was into that i would have a laptop hooked up to a humongous TV screen, and or being mobile using a Tablet or some sorts:idunno: A tower PC would be overkill , and still have it hooked up to a monster TV:)
My one son luvs playing these interactive games where you have puzzles and stuff to solve or like nerd jeopardy, and you use your Cell Phones to play??
I glance at the TV screen as he has his friends over and they play it in the room where my Download PC is in, It is interesting, but i still prefer Donkey Kong or Rory Mcilroy PGA golf:).
I always like to look at power consumption, but after a while it is really impossible to get around when you are running a media server and really having TV's running all the time, then you add surround sound with powered subs and shit!!! power consumption just goes out the window!!!

Just about any SATA SSD would do. I would definitely not go smaller than 500GB. Installing it as a storage drive and changing folder locations in SAB for temp download and final save destination to SSD should take care of your slow down issue. The HDD is your bottleneck.

Gribley's solution may work, but a lot more complicated. When I was younger I would have probably done it that way (or something similar) just for the fun of it. Nowadays I find the easiest solution (getting lazy with age).

Almost all Intel CPUs still have integrated GPUs (except for HEDT models and a special one or two). AMD hasn't been releasing many of their CPUs with integrated GPUs for the desktop scene as of much lately (just the low end models). Maybe the high end desktop models don't have integrated GPUs because they wanted to keep the TDP down, or temperature was an issue.

I thought about building a new PC using an AMD Ryzen 1xxx or Ryzen 2xxx CPU, but the motherboards are not so great. One thing Intel has over AMD is much better motherboards (stability and features). From what I have read it is AMD's fault. They don't give the motherboard manufacturers enough time to design and test their boards before they have to ship them. It's too bad, because the new Ryzen 2700 at 65W looks like a great deal. Plenty of processing power at a great price (compared to Intel) and low power consumption (for an 8-core desktop CPU). Maybe the next round of AMD motherboards will get it right.

[Gribley]

Didn`t cost me too much for a 960GB SSD drive a while back (around £100) but really you would be better off with a hybrid drive since you don`t want it as a boot up partition anyway. Got one for a laptop aka 2.5" which was 2TB at around £60

[MacGyverSG1]

The fact that the drive that gets downloaded to is not a permanent storage drive, I would stick to a SSD. I have no experience with hybrid drives. Do they make them in 3.5"? They are good for laptops because they boost speed (over regular HDD) and give you larger storage, but with SSD prices dropping the way they are and most laptops use m.2 SSD and 2.5" SATA, hybrids are not really needed anymore. It's another option though.

[Gribley]

Do they make them in 3.5"

yes I have been running one for a couple of years now.

My in the loft solution is great, I should of done it many years ago but is a learning curve. If you delve into it the results will be worth it but if you are more the "Meh" frame of mind the too much effort just get a new PC.

[shaina]

Ignore the pumpkin just happens to be there.... happy Halloween.

So to the left is my web server (an original Pi Mk1), to the right is the odroid C2 doing all my downloads and in the middle is a really cheap USB HDD hub. Using an old 750Gb drive that I had sitting around.

The thing hums away to itself perfectly without any hassles. I`ve not tried to stream BD off it but realistically the only bottleneck is the USB connection which I guess could cause a problem if I really pushed it. But then in that case they odroid make some nice hardware with SATA interfaces, just not needed it.

SAB and Deluge are all webby interface based on the home network, the boxes as you see are all headerless so SSH and webby is the way to chat with them. SAMBA is installed to make it easier to pull files back to the real PC when needed but also has the the purpose of opening a share to the USB drive for my various KODI boxes.

That is very interesting Gribley:fear: I would give you an "A" for inventiveness, a "C-" for appearance:lol: And with your setup, you don't keep things for a long period of time i assume?? Or you move the drive after download to something else?? And i think we had a discussion before about Kodi , and i tried it out and it sucked the big one in my opinion or ease of use for the household. And we have also discussed that i don't stream anything really over wifi to my tv's, they are all wired, so if i am saying this right?? everything goes through internal Ethernet connections, is that better or worse than USB?? i have no idea??

I know i can do this kind of setup you have with a Pivos media box i have (has that SAMBA thing on it), but again i don't use it for that, and actually that is the only box i have in my house that will stream BD50's without a hiccup, but i have said i don't download to many of those and waste space on a hard drive..
And by looking at the setup i assume you have it setup on another PC to tell it to download to the PI?? I use one PC and that is it to download and not any outside links from others in the house or elsewhere.

[MacGyverSG1]

I use Kodi (v17.6) on an NVIDIA Shield TV and Minix NEO-U1. It's great. I use it to play videos and music that is stored on my PC HDDs on the TVs running said boxes. Shield is wired to router, the U1 is Wi-Fi. Plays everything I've thrown at it so far fine. Have not tried 2160p since I don't have a 4K TV. Kodi plays DVD/BD .ISOs fine (and DVD/BD folders). I usually just grab the main .m2ts file and delete the rest (don't care about menus and most extras). Remove unnecessary languages and subtitles if size reduction is big enough.

[anon]

shaina, if you install a SATA SSD (your hardware probably can't handle NVME SSD (m.2), unless using a PCIe adapter card (can't boot OS)) and use it as download drive (or boot drive), SAB and QuickPar would fly. HDDs just can't handle all that reading and writing at the same time. No settings will help out. Adding a video card will not help downloading or extracting shit. SSD!!!

Personally, I don't use SSDs for two reasons:

high dollar-per-GB ratio, I'd rather have "bad" speeds but more storage space;
Flash memory is almost impossible to sanitize, which means you have to spend extra on a self-encrypting drive or use software encryption, which turns your CPU into a bottleneck (unless it has hardware AES, which mine don't), which ultimately negates the speed advantage of using an SSD in the first place... :wacko:

But you're absolutely correct on that the speed difference of even the cheapest SSD against a mechanical disk is stunning, and in this case would likely help a lot. Also, point no. 2 is fairly irrelevant on a desktop system anyway.


I looked when you said Visual Novels?? Thinking WTF is that!! interesting you are into that, but if i was into that i would have a laptop hooked up to a humongous TV screen, and or being mobile using a Tablet or some sorts:idunno: A tower PC would be overkill , and still have it hooked up to a monster TV:)

Doesn't sound bad, but my laptop's screen can open in a 180° angle, so I'd rather read that way and lying in bed :happy:


I always like to look at power consumption, but after a while it is really impossible to get around when you are running a media server and really having TV's running all the time, then you add surround sound with powered subs and shit!!! power consumption just goes out the window!!!

Haha, well, I'm super conscious about that sort of thing. My home would be pretty boring to the average person, but at least my power bill is in the single digits :turned:

[MacGyverSG1]

Personally, I don't use SSDs for two reasons:

high dollar-per-GB ratio, I'd rather have "bad" speeds but more storage space;
Flash memory is almost impossible to sanitize, which means you have to spend extra on a self-encrypting drive or use software encryption, which turns your CPU into a bottleneck (unless it has hardware AES, which mine don't), which ultimately negates the speed advantage of using an SSD in the first place... :wacko:

But you're absolutely correct on that the speed difference of even the cheapest SSD against a mechanical disk is stunning, and in this case would likely help a lot. Also, point no. 2 is fairly irrelevant on a desktop system anyway.

The prices of SSDs has come down a lot the last couple of years. A 256GB-512GB SSD is plenty big for a boot drive (for me anyways). I don't game, so don't need a large boot drive. I add large HDDs for storage. Even in the old days I would use a smaller HDD for boot drive. Then add another larger HDD for storage. If your boot drive fails, you don't lose everything. Make sure you backup important files on boot drive to storage HDD, floppy, USB, CD, DVD, etc. Running your OS on SSD just makes things run smoother.

[shaina]

Doesn't sound bad, but my laptop's screen can open in a 180° angle, so I'd rather read that way and lying in bed :happy:

Haha, well, I'm super conscious about that sort of thing. My home would be pretty boring to the average person, but at least my power bill is in the single digits :turned:

Ya my daughters Asus laptop has that feature , she luvs it, it also has touchscreen:) the only pain in the ass is it needs an adapter to plug in to a wired Ethernet!!

Don't tell me you are one of those guys that unplugs all the small things from the wall every day??, I can't remember what show i was watching, and they did studies that even having an extension cord with nothing on it but plugged into the wall still uses power:unsure:
But i will say "Single Digits!!" WoW!!!!!!

I also remembering a while back having a conversation at the dinner table with my sooner or later daughter in laws parents, and they went all wacko and decided to go all out and change the majority of there appliances from electric to natural gas?? What do you think about that Anon??


Even in the old days I would use a smaller HDD for boot drive. Then add another larger HDD for storage. If your boot drive fails, you don't lose everything. Make sure you backup important files on boot drive to storage HDD, floppy, USB, CD, DVD, etc. Running your OS on SSD just makes things run smoother.

It is amazing that mentioning all of those either readers or old storage things that you installed to your PC or came with a Laptop. Today you have USB slots if you are lucky and that is it:happy: I am thinking Anon is loving it for energy savings......

[Gribley]

[QUOTE=Gribley;3806632]That is very interesting Gribley:fear: I would give you an "A" for inventiveness, a "C-" for appearance:lol:

I admit I could of cabled better but it is in a loft next to my water tank, fairly sure I`ll not get reviewed ;)

[shaina]

I admit I could of cabled better but it is in a loft next to my water tank, fairly sure I`ll not get reviewed ;)

I was just kidding as you know buddy:D

I know there is some advantages to the Pi things, and i probably with your help have my own running very efficient, but i am at the stage now that i would rather just go out an buy a media box if i really wanted to upgrade what i got, but honestly i am in no rush right now;)
And as you always know i always appreciate the help......

[Gribley]

but i am at the stage now that i would rather just go out an buy a media box if.....

Now you sound like my parents, embrace change. I`m old too but it can still be fun to play the game. 1972 was a fine year.

[shaina]

but i am at the stage now that i would rather just go out an buy a media box if.....

Now you sound like my parents, embrace change. I`m old too but it can still be fun to play the game. 1972 was a fine year.

I can say 1967 was a very fine wine year as well;)
What i have really done Gribley, i had an older Pentium i5 laptop that has an HDMI connection, and i am running it through an xbox one which has a cable box connection and software , and i have to do it that way because the plasma that i have in the room only has one hdmi connection, so i have a hdmi multi switch with a bunch of different consoles connected (few that sounded long winded!!). So going back to why i i connected the laptop??, I really prefer to download the quality i like and know it is banked on a hard drive that i can access everything i download any time i want and in pretty much any room i have a tv in (and there is a few). For real i just find the quality better, rather than loosing patience with kodi searching for a good stream. I also have cable and netflix for my wife and kids, and especially for my daughter that is away in university, so she has something to watch as well. Now getting back to the laptop hookup:D, i really use it for any live streaming i want to do, eg. UFC,Boxing, or any special stuff, and i had kodi on it, but i removed it and just find direct links for all the stuff now that would be special to stream live, and the rest as you know i am a usenet guy and move the shit manually from one pc to my media pc:idunno:. And ya i know it is unnecessary work how i do it, but i guess it just keeps me sane:wacko:..
Then i tried to take on the project and started to change all the file names so frigging Plex would read the tv shows properly!!! , again i pretty much gave up on that and just went back to UMS that i have been using for years!!. I am now just going to run both and keep my TV shows on the UMS and run the movies on Plex so it will basically look like the Netflix menu , and easier to search other than me putting the movies in folders, and subjecting them to my era and screwing up my kids, because i may say i think it is the main actor in a movie?? And they have someone else in the movie in mind...And that has appreciated help from Cabby setting that up, but it is still time consuming and a pain in the ASS!!!....
But at the same time i am also upgrading a lot of Divx versions i have of movies to MKV 720p versions, again very time consuming!!!!
And really the last few months i have not had time really to do any of it, so it has been delayed for the big grand launch of Plex!!:01:

PS. If you do want to watch any live or PPV stuff, my daughters boyfriend taught me a trick to find really good feeds of stuff, if you are interested just send me a PM and i will reveal the magic ;)

[Gribley]

I gave up on streams (via KODI) a long time ago. It was never really a thing that I used but 'J' did for a while hence me having to VPN all the KODI boxes.

And you still have a plasma TV..... very retro, I going to break out a cathode ray tube to compete

[anon]

Ya my daughters Asus laptop has that feature , she luvs it, it also has touchscreen:) the only pain in the ass is it needs an adapter to plug in to a wired Ethernet!!

Yes, the quest for ultra-slim systems means "legacy" stuff like RJ-45 and VGA have to be dropped. In extreme cases, you only get a USB-C connector and have to plug a hub there to get any usable ports at all. I remember when laptops had PS/2, serial and parallel ports as well as a floppy drive! And for keyboards and mice, PS/2 is a vastly superior interface than USB...


Don't tell me you are one of those guys that unplugs all the small things from the wall every day??, I can't remember what show i was watching, and they did studies that even having an extension cord with nothing on it but plugged into the wall still uses power:unsure:
But i will say "Single Digits!!" WoW!!!!!!

Well, I don't have a lot of small things plugged in the first place ;) I'd say power strips with on/off switches are your friend here.


I also remembering a while back having a conversation at the dinner table with my sooner or later daughter in laws parents, and they went all wacko and decided to go all out and change the majority of there appliances from electric to natural gas?? What do you think about that Anon??

I could never do that. Electric heating (of any kind) requires a lot of power no matter how energy efficient it is, and ends up costing more than a VIP hooker at the end of the month. Also, you have more to lose in the event of a blackout. But there isn't a right answer here, it all depends on the price and reliability of the electricity and gas utilities in your area, as well as the quality of the wiring and piping in your household. To top it off, in my city at least new buildings are built without gas for "safety" reasons, so you may not have a choice at all.

[shaina]

And you still have a plasma TV..... very retro, I going to break out a cathode ray tube to compete

Show me or tell me something that has caught up to a plasma tv when it comes to picture quality?? There would be still a ton of plasma's makers if there weren't so expensive to make, and i am talking pro series comparisons when it comes to TV's not middle line products.. so saying retro/old school am i still??
Yup!! until they die, and then i will have no choice:cry:, and the only disadvantages is they are heavy and thick as fuck (have 2 60 inch , one is not a pro series it is a smart tv and one 42)!! and the pro series never came as "Smart TV" features, but picture quality /colors and response time especially in watching sports or action movies are still on top;)


Yes, the quest for ultra-slim systems means "legacy" stuff like RJ-45 and VGA have to be dropped. In extreme cases, you only get a USB-C connector and have to plug a hub there to get any usable ports at all. I remember when laptops had PS/2, serial and parallel ports as well as a floppy drive! And for keyboards and mice, PS/2 is a vastly superior interface than USB...

Ya now it is more wires and small connections to break of mother boards, it is bad enough how many times my kids over the years break all the power adapter wires and connections, and saying they were always careful that would be ridiculous:) , but other than manufactures of electronics changing the adapter connections for the purpose of you upgrading your stuff, do you think they really looked at durability and longevity??
And when it comes to PS/2 connections?? I think you mean the Green and Purple connections on the PC motherboards:D?? To me it just reminds me of the old S video connections that i really didn't mind and did find to be an ok and stable connection. But really i guess if you buy a laptop for its true purpose that it travels well and easy to use, ya that works the way they have gone, but if it is going to be a higher percentage that it will be stable or the same place and occasionally used?? Well the new way with one connection adapter to controls multiple things instead of having its proprietary slots sucks the big one!!!!

Even on the new Samsung TV's you have to plug in this wire to control the hdmi's and other stuff instead of having it on the TV it's self?? Now if one part of that module fails the whole thing is fucked!!! not just maybe a port. Too much dependence on one connection in my opinion.....



Well, I don't have a lot of small things plugged in the first place ;) I'd say power strips with on/off switches are your friend here.

Funny they have studies, do i think it is true or not?? That there is current going to the switches and plugs that are constant, and still have cost of electricity, but once you plug anything in regardless if the power is off or not, you are still adding cost?? So you don't have a microwave or toaster oven, or your something that is powered off but really on standby modes?? I am not saying this in a negative way, but i can always understand trying to save costs on anything, but making it an inconvenience to do that for really truly minimum savings becomes too much:), and saying that there is a ton of electronics that now have built in surge and power protections, is adding a power bar concept now change??



I could never do that. Electric heating (of any kind) requires a lot of power no matter how energy efficient it is, and ends up costing more than a VIP hooker at the end of the month. Also, you have more to lose in the event of a blackout. But there isn't a right answer here, it all depends on the price and reliability of the electricity and gas utilities in your area, as well as the quality of the wiring and piping in your household. To top it off, in my city at least new buildings are built without gas for "safety" reasons, so you may not have a choice at all.

What about Air Conditioning?? Water heaters vs Tankless?? Clothes Dryers?? Copper Pipes vs Plastic?? Some things ya you may see a savings if they last long enough to pay for the difference you forked out first?? That was the issue of Hybrid Cars vs Gas only??
Funny you say Gas issues?? I went to see my kids new apartment (meaning he just moved in not a newly built one), and it was quite nice, but when i went into the kitchen there was no hood fan or vent over it (Electric stove but still) ?? So i asked him and his girlfriend what is up with that?? Now keep in mind that there is over 200 apartments in the building and none have any vent or fan above the stove?? Does that sound right?? Yet if you live in a new building you have to have it for safety reasons to me that made zero sense that the owner of all of these buildings where he lives doesn't have to bring all of them up to the same standards??

[Tokeman]

As for the last question most standards are from when the domicile was built, IIRC from my home purchase which has things not up to 'current' code

As for windows, 10 is absolutely faster, if you have any hardware it can take advantage of that 7 can't. Beyond that it is really a user to user thing IMO. We run an all 10 shop though for high end vis work.

Lame reply I know, sorry :P

[MacGyverSG1]

Show me or tell me something that has caught up to a plasma tv when it comes to picture quality?? There would be still a ton of plasma's makers if there weren't so expensive to make, and i am talking pro series comparisons when it comes to TV's not middle line products.. so saying retro/old school am i still??
Yup!! until they die, and then i will have no choice:cry:, and the only disadvantages is they are heavy and thick as fuck (have 2 60 inch , one is not a pro series it is a smart tv and one 42)!! and the pro series never came as "Smart TV" features, but picture quality /colors and response time especially in watching sports or action movies are still on top;)


Yes, the quest for ultra-slim systems means "legacy" stuff like RJ-45 and VGA have to be dropped. In extreme cases, you only get a USB-C connector and have to plug a hub there to get any usable ports at all. I remember when laptops had PS/2, serial and parallel ports as well as a floppy drive! And for keyboards and mice, PS/2 is a vastly superior interface than USB...

Ya now it is more wires and small connections to break of mother boards, it is bad enough how many times my kids over the years break all the power adapter wires and connections, and saying they were always careful that would be ridiculous:) , but other than manufactures of electronics changing the adapter connections for the purpose of you upgrading your stuff, do you think they really looked at durability and longevity??
And when it comes to PS/2 connections?? I think you mean the Green and Purple connections on the PC motherboards:D?? To me it just reminds me of the old S video connections that i really didn't mind and did find to be an ok and stable connection. But really i guess if you buy a laptop for its true purpose that it travels well and easy to use, ya that works the way they have gone, but if it is going to be a higher percentage that it will be stable or the same place and occasionally used?? Well the new way with one connection adapter to controls multiple things instead of having its proprietary slots sucks the big one!!!!

Even on the new Samsung TV's you have to plug in this wire to control the hdmi's and other stuff instead of having it on the TV it's self?? Now if one part of that module fails the whole thing is fucked!!! not just maybe a port. Too much dependence on one connection in my opinion.....



Well, I don't have a lot of small things plugged in the first place ;) I'd say power strips with on/off switches are your friend here.

Funny they have studies, do i think it is true or not?? That there is current going to the switches and plugs that are constant, and still have cost of electricity, but once you plug anything in regardless if the power is off or not, you are still adding cost?? So you don't have a microwave or toaster oven, or your something that is powered off but really on standby modes?? I am not saying this in a negative way, but i can always understand trying to save costs on anything, but making it an inconvenience to do that for really truly minimum savings becomes too much:), and saying that there is a ton of electronics that now have built in surge and power protections, is adding a power bar concept now change??



I could never do that. Electric heating (of any kind) requires a lot of power no matter how energy efficient it is, and ends up costing more than a VIP hooker at the end of the month. Also, you have more to lose in the event of a blackout. But there isn't a right answer here, it all depends on the price and reliability of the electricity and gas utilities in your area, as well as the quality of the wiring and piping in your household. To top it off, in my city at least new buildings are built without gas for "safety" reasons, so you may not have a choice at all.

What about Air Conditioning?? Water heaters vs Tankless?? Clothes Dryers?? Copper Pipes vs Plastic?? Some things ya you may see a savings if they last long enough to pay for the difference you forked out first?? That was the issue of Hybrid Cars vs Gas only??
Funny you say Gas issues?? I went to see my kids new apartment (meaning he just moved in not a newly built one), and it was quite nice, but when i went into the kitchen there was no hood fan or vent over it (Electric stove but still) ?? So i asked him and his girlfriend what is up with that?? Now keep in mind that there is over 200 apartments in the building and none have any vent or fan above the stove?? Does that sound right?? Yet if you live in a new building you have to have it for safety reasons to me that made zero sense that the owner of all of these buildings where he lives doesn't have to bring all of them up to the same standards??

Unfortunately if the building is old enough, newer codes don't always have to be followed. You could install a microwave over the stove that also has a built-in vent. Not sure how the cabinets are configured in your son's place, but that is done a lot in the US (for electric stove/cook top). Natural gas, you need a vent.

I hardly ever use my electric stove. I have a toaster oven, microwave and outdoor propane grill. When I remodel the kitchen, then I might switch to gas stove.