Radeon 9600 Or Radeon 9600 Pro

[Timz]

Currently best buy is having a thxgiving sale (as meny of us now know), and after all the rebates the Radeon 9600 regular is only 70$ as opposed to its normal price of 169$.

The Radeon 9600 Pro is currently 182$ on amazon.

Is the Radeon regular much worse then the Radeon pro? Would i be able to run games like BF1942 and Splinter Cell under med or high graphics 1000+ resolution?
I am running a 1800g 512 meg ram comp.

Basically, should i buy the card now and take advantage of the price, but not get the pro? or should i hold off?

Radeon 9600 Comparison Chart (http://www.ati.com/products/radeon9600/radeon9600pro/compare.html) According to this chart the 9600 reg has a much lower engine and memory clock rate, how much will this affect gameplay? Can the card be significantly overclocked?

PS if i buy this card now, i wont be able to get another one for at least a year, so will the 9600 regular be able to last that long (keep up with the most part of the games)?? :blink:

The sale ends in about 24 hrs, so reply quickly plz

[Aaron_T]

I think the regular should be fine the Pro graphics cards obviously are slightly more powerful but mostly paying more is based on the fact that it says PRO on the box know what i mean, but id hate for you to take my advice and end up with the wrong one so id stick out and wait for more posts

[3RA1N1AC]

the PRO model should be better than the non-PRO. but it is possible that the two cards are physically identical and you may be able to buy a non-PRO and upgrade its firmware/BIOS and turn it into a PRO, which would increase its speed a little bit.

updating the BIOS is slightly risky though (you could damage the card or render it non-functional), and i think it voids the warranty. so you'd have to decide whether it's a risk you're willing to take. if you don't want to take the risk, you might just wanna buy the PRO which is guaranteed to run at a higher speed.

[Timz]

i have no doubts that the pro will run better, and i dont intend to do anything risky I jsut dont want to spend money on a card that will not perform well at all.

[3RA1N1AC]

either way, any 9600 should run splinter cell and bf1942 just fine. those games run well even on the previous generation of cards (8500 through 9200). i had no problem playing all the way through splinter cell with pretty smooth frame rates at 1024 x 768 on a 9000 Pro.

if you can get one for $100 or less, i'd say it's a good value and you'll be satisfied with it for at least a year or year-and-a-half, since most new games are designed to run on lower-to-middle end cards and the 9600 still ranks pretty near to the high-end.

[abu_has_the_power]

u can oc ur 9600 to a 9600 pro

[Timz]

i gess 9600 non-pro it is, im going to the store today, hopefully it'll be there, if not, then for chrsitmas im gonna have to go for the sales again, i'll keep it posted

[Kunal]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@29 November 2003 - 03:07
u can oc ur 9600 to a 9600 pro
i doubt a card will oc that far, if it did you would would the best cooling around

[racer II]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@29 November 2003 - 03:07
u can oc ur 9600 to a 9600 pro
Again abu, no you cant.
The non pro uses different kind of ram chips which cannot reach the pro specs.

[SciManAl]

hehehehehe :P , i got mine to oc pretty far, but not near pro... and the stock cooling is defintily not enough for it...

[3rd gen noob]

even if you could oc your non-pro to a pro (which you can't), you can oc the pro to higher than the pro (if you see what i mean)

i have my 9600 pro (default 400/600) at 520/610 (try doing that with the non-pro and you'll end up with an expensive paperweight (what a cliché :rolleyes: ))

[racer II]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@29 November 2003 - 19:49
even if you could oc your non-pro to a pro (which you can't), you can oc the pro to higher than the pro (if you see what i mean)

i have my 9600 pro (default 400/600) at 520/610 (try doing that with the non-pro and you'll end up with an expensive paperweight (what a cliché :rolleyes: ))
Yes indeed ;)

[Kunal]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@29 November 2003 - 19:49
i have my 9600 pro (default 400/600) at 520/610 (try doing that with the non-pro and you'll end up with an expensive paperweight (what a cliché :rolleyes: ))
isnt your tyan overclocked from the box?

[3rd gen noob]

this (http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?runID=1329671476) link shows 500/620, but i did manage to get to 520 shortly afterwards :)

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by Kunal@29 November 2003 - 17:54
isnt your tyan overclocked from the box?
i believe the memory is overclocked from 550MHz to 600MHz as standard, yes

[racer II]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+29 November 2003 - 19:55--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob &#064; 29 November 2003 - 19:55)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Kunal@29 November 2003 - 17:54
isnt your tyan overclocked from the box?
i believe the memory is overclocked from 550MHz to 600MHz as standard, yes [/b][/quote]
:blink:

Stock speeds are 600 mem 400 clock

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by racer II+29 November 2003 - 17:57--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (racer II @ 29 November 2003 - 17:57)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@29 November 2003 - 19:55
<!--QuoteBegin-Kunal@29 November 2003 - 17:54
isnt your tyan overclocked from the box?
i believe the memory is overclocked from 550MHz to 600MHz as standard, yes
:blink:

Stock speeds are 600 mem 400 clock [/b][/quote]
the tyan uses overclocked memory though...the memory used comes at 550MHz on the tyan, however, the company overclocks the memory itself before selling

other 9600 pro based cards do use 600MHz memory though

[racer II]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+29 November 2003 - 19:59--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 29 November 2003 - 19:59)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by racer II@29 November 2003 - 17:57

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@29 November 2003 - 19:55
<!--QuoteBegin-Kunal@29 November 2003 - 17:54
isnt your tyan overclocked from the box?
i believe the memory is overclocked from 550MHz to 600MHz as standard, yes
:blink:

Stock speeds are 600 mem 400 clock
the tyan uses overclocked memory though...the memory used comes at 550MHz on the tyan, however, the company overclocks the memory itself before selling

other 9600 pro based cards do use 600MHz memory though [/b][/quote]
Okay i got the point now ;)

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by racer II@29 November 2003 - 18:05
Okay i got the point now ;)
cool :)

p.s. been meaning to ask...wtf is your avatar??

:blink:

:)

[racer II]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+29 November 2003 - 20:07--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob &#064; 29 November 2003 - 20:07)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-racer II@29 November 2003 - 18:05
Okay i got the point now&nbsp; ;)
cool :)

p.s. been meaning to ask...wtf is your avatar??

:blink:

:)[/b][/quote]
hehehehe what do you think it is?
































Press the o_O in my sig lol

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by racer II@29 November 2003 - 18:11
Press the o_O in my sig lol
i think their server is down, because it&#39;s not showing for me just now... :(

edit: showing now... :lol: i get it now

[racer II]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+29 November 2003 - 20:23--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 29 November 2003 - 20:23)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-racer II@29 November 2003 - 18:11
Press the o_O in my sig lol
i think their server is down, because it&#39;s not showing for me just now... :( [/b][/quote]
:(

Its pretty hard to find a good uploader for sigs and avatars these days lol

[apunkrockmonk]

Originally posted by racer II+29 November 2003 - 19:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (racer II @ 29 November 2003 - 19:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@29 November 2003 - 20:07
<!--QuoteBegin-racer II@29 November 2003 - 18:05
Okay i got the point now ;)
cool :)

p.s. been meaning to ask...wtf is your avatar??

:blink:

:)
hehehehe what do you think it is?
































Press the o_O in my sig lol [/b][/quote]
hahah... very nice man

[Timz]

NooOOOO, they were sold out&#33;&#33;&#33; son of a ......


Even scarier&#33;&#33; ---&#62; When i asked the store guy for a rain check he said that the 9600 non-pro was out of production, that the sale was to get rid off the remaining 9600s, cuz no more will ever be produced, is this accurate?&#33;

[apunkrockmonk]

Originally posted by Timz@30 November 2003 - 00:00
NooOOOO, they were sold out&#33;&#33;&#33; son of a ......


Even scarier&#33;&#33; ---&#62; When i asked the store guy for a rain check he said that the 9600 non-pro was out of production, that the sale was to get rid off the remaining 9600s, cuz no more will ever be produced, is this accurate?&#33;
highly doubted, i believe they are still on the best buy website aren&#39;t they? just out of stock?

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by apunkrockmonk+29 November 2003 - 19:01--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (apunkrockmonk @ 29 November 2003 - 19:01)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Timz@30 November 2003 - 00:00
NooOOOO, they were sold out&#33;&#33;&#33; son of a ......


Even scarier&#33;&#33; ---&#62; When i asked the store guy for a rain check he said that the 9600 non-pro was out of production, that the sale was to get rid off the remaining 9600s, cuz no more will ever be produced, is this accurate?&#33;
highly doubted, i believe they are still on the best buy website aren&#39;t they? just out of stock? [/b][/quote]
chances r, ur cus service guy is a dumbass who knows no shit bout computers. i&#39;ve met many such people

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@29 November 2003 - 23:03
chances r, ur cus service guy is a dumbass who knows no shit bout computers. i&#39;ve met many such people
have you counted meeting yourself yet?

:)

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+29 November 2003 - 19:06--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 29 November 2003 - 19:06)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@29 November 2003 - 23:03
chances r, ur cus service guy is a dumbass who knows no shit bout computers. i&#39;ve met many such people
have you counted meeting yourself yet?

:) [/b][/quote]
hey. at least i don&#39;t get hired to answer questions when i don&#39;t know anything about the topic. if i make irrelevant responces to questions, at least i&#39;m not acting like i&#39;m a smart know-it-all

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@29 November 2003 - 23:11
hey. at least i don&#39;t get hired to answer questions when i don&#39;t know anything about the topic. if i make irrelevant responces to questions, at least i&#39;m not acting like i&#39;m a smart know-it-all
i openly admit that my own intelligence level is far below many of those on this board

i just don&#39;t like other people saying "these people are dumbasses". anyone who would say such a thing leaves them open to &#39;attack&#39;

[(>Zero Cool<)]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power+30 November 2003 - 00:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (abu_has_the_power @ 30 November 2003 - 00:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@29 November 2003 - 19:06
<!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@29 November 2003 - 23:03
chances r, ur cus service guy is a dumbass who knows no shit bout computers. i&#39;ve met many such people
have you counted meeting yourself yet?

:)
hey. at least i don&#39;t get hired to answer questions when i don&#39;t know anything about the topic. if i make irrelevant responces to questions, at least i&#39;m not acting like i&#39;m a smart know-it-all [/b][/quote]
Ok hold EVERYTHING&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :blink: 3rd gen is HIRED&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; ....I want my money back. :blink:

oh and on a serious note abu 3rd gen has given me a hell of a lot of help and has never once on any occasion acted as a smart arse nor been belittling (sorry dodgy spelling) in any way, even when I have made a really daft mistake or asked an obvious question, so perhaps you should think about that before you start flinging mud at him again.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+29 November 2003 - 19:13--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 29 November 2003 - 19:13)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@29 November 2003 - 23:11
hey. at least i don&#39;t get hired to answer questions when i don&#39;t know anything about the topic. if i make irrelevant responces to questions, at least i&#39;m not acting like i&#39;m a smart know-it-all
i openly admit that my own intelligence level is far below many of those on this board

i just don&#39;t like other people saying "these people are dumbasses". anyone who would say such a thing leaves them open to &#39;attack&#39; [/b][/quote]
true. but i&#39;ve met many customer service guys who tell me to do something that takes 2 hrs, when the prob could be fixed by clicking 1 button. and i&#39;ve met cus service people who go on to explain everything about a computer when all i want to know will take 1 minute to explain. some just tell u completely irrelevant or incorect info, and get their customers all confused.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@29 November 2003 - 23:20
true. but i&#39;ve met many customer service guys who tell me to do something that takes 2 hrs, when the prob could be fixed by clicking 1 button. and i&#39;ve met cus service people who go on to explain everything about a computer when all i want to know will take 1 minute to explain. some just tell u completely irrelevant or incorect info, and get their customers all confused.
in which case, you should say they are misinformed, or not adequately trained, rather than branding them "dumbasses" :)

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by (>Zero Cool<)@29 November 2003 - 23:19
Ok hold EVERYTHING&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :blink: 3rd gen is HIRED&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; ....I want my money back. :blink:

oh and on a serious note abu 3rd gen has given me a hell of a lot of help and has never once on any occasion acted as a smart arse nor been belittling (sorry dodgy spelling) in any way, even when I have made a really daft mistake or asked an obvious question, so perhaps you should think about that before you start flinging mud at him again.
aw, shucks :">

:)

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+29 November 2003 - 19:22--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob &#064; 29 November 2003 - 19:22)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@29 November 2003 - 23:20
true. but i&#39;ve met many customer service guys who tell me to do something that takes 2 hrs, when the prob could be fixed by clicking 1 button. and i&#39;ve met cus service people who go on to explain everything about a computer when all i want to know will take 1 minute to explain. some just tell u completely irrelevant or incorect info, and get their customers all confused.
in which case, you should say they are misinformed, or not adequately trained, rather than branding them "dumbasses" :) [/b][/quote]
ok. yea. but u know when someone says, "wow, that&#39;s crazy&#33;." they mean that it&#39;s awesome, and not like paranoid crazy. so i meant dumbasses as basically people i dont like, not necesarily mental retardation

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@29 November 2003 - 23:24
so i meant dumbasses as basically people i dont like
so you don&#39;t like them because you think your knowledge level is greater than theirs?

feeling rather elitist, aren&#39;t we, abu?

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+29 November 2003 - 19:26--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 29 November 2003 - 19:26)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@29 November 2003 - 23:24
so i meant dumbasses as basically people i dont like
so you don&#39;t like them because you think your knowledge level is greater than theirs?

feeling rather elitist, aren&#39;t we, abu? [/b][/quote]
no. i don&#39;t like them becuz they mislead u and get u all confused when u ask them a question. and don&#39;t get me wrong, many cus service people are great at solving probs. but i&#39;ve met a couple that are just extremely annoying

[(>Zero Cool<)]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power+30 November 2003 - 00:28--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (abu_has_the_power @ 30 November 2003 - 00:28)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@29 November 2003 - 19:26
<!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@29 November 2003 - 23:24
so i meant dumbasses as basically people i dont like
so you don&#39;t like them because you think your knowledge level is greater than theirs?

feeling rather elitist, aren&#39;t we, abu?
no. i don&#39;t like them becuz they mislead u and get u all confused when u ask them a question. and don&#39;t get me wrong, many cus service people are great at solving probs. but i&#39;ve met a couple that are just extremely annoying [/b][/quote]
Have you ever tried working in customer support of a helpdesk etc. ? Perhaps if you did/had you would see things from a better perspective and understand and perhaps sympathise with the problems they have trying to know everything.

p.s noob I didn&#39;t say I liked you only that you know your stuff :rolleyes: :lol:

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by (>Zero Cool<)@29 November 2003 - 23:34
Have you ever tried working in customer support of a helpdesk etc. ? Perhaps if you did/had you would see things from a better perspective and understand and perhaps sympathise with the problems they have trying to know everything.

p.s noob I didn&#39;t say I liked you only that you know your stuff :rolleyes: :lol:
:&#39;(

damn...thought i was in there... :-"

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by (>Zero Cool<)+29 November 2003 - 19:34--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ((>Zero Cool<) &#064; 29 November 2003 - 19:34)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@30 November 2003 - 00:28

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@29 November 2003 - 19:26
<!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@29 November 2003 - 23:24
so i meant dumbasses as basically people i dont like
so you don&#39;t like them because you think your knowledge level is greater than theirs?

feeling rather elitist, aren&#39;t we, abu?
no. i don&#39;t like them becuz they mislead u and get u all confused when u ask them a question. and don&#39;t get me wrong, many cus service people are great at solving probs. but i&#39;ve met a couple that are just extremely annoying
Have you ever tried working in customer support of a helpdesk etc. ? Perhaps if you did/had you would see things from a better perspective and understand and perhaps sympathise with the problems they have trying to know everything.

p.s noob I didn&#39;t say I liked you only that you know your stuff :rolleyes: :lol: [/b][/quote]
who u calling a noob? ok, yea, i&#39;m pretty dumb at hardware, most of the time. but it&#39;s true.

ok, yea, the cus service guys have their own problems. but one guy completely screwed my old hp while trying to fix a network problem, when all i had to do was restart. guess it wasn&#39;t totally his fault. ok, i&#39;ll just shut up now and get back to the original topic of this thread.

old news
i just got a radeon 9600 on black friday

[(>Zero Cool<)]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power+30 November 2003 - 00:38--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (abu_has_the_power @ 30 November 2003 - 00:38)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by (>Zero Cool<)@29 November 2003 - 19:34

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@30 November 2003 - 00:28

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@29 November 2003 - 19:26
<!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@29 November 2003 - 23:24
so i meant dumbasses as basically people i dont like
so you don&#39;t like them because you think your knowledge level is greater than theirs?

feeling rather elitist, aren&#39;t we, abu?
no. i don&#39;t like them becuz they mislead u and get u all confused when u ask them a question. and don&#39;t get me wrong, many cus service people are great at solving probs. but i&#39;ve met a couple that are just extremely annoying
Have you ever tried working in customer support of a helpdesk etc. ? Perhaps if you did/had you would see things from a better perspective and understand and perhaps sympathise with the problems they have trying to know everything.

p.s noob I didn&#39;t say I liked you only that you know your stuff :rolleyes: :lol:
who u calling a noob? ok, yea, i&#39;m pretty dumb at hardware, most of the time. but it&#39;s true.

ok, yea, the cus service guys have their own problems. but one guy completely screwed my old hp while trying to fix a network problem, when all i had to do was restart. guess it wasn&#39;t totally his fault. ok, i&#39;ll just shut up now and get back to the original topic of this thread.

old news
i just got a radeon 9600 on black friday [/b][/quote]
ok mr on the defensive I was calling noob noob, as in 3rd gen read the above posts :rolleyes: If I wanted to insult someone I would be a little more colourful, so relax :rolleyes: :)