Blazing Fury From Hell

[GCNaddict]

latest stats:

p4 2.4c upped to 3.01ghz
Dominator fx5600plus overclocked to 367 mhz cpu clock
generic floppy
Generic DVD±RW 4xMAX
150watt p4supply
ddr400 corsair RAM dual-channel 512mb
intel 875 canterwood chipset
160gb hdd w/8mb cache Western Digital

CPU heat stats on full load: 99°F (38°C, 311K)
CPU heat stats on idle load: 83°F (28°C, 301K)
5700u heat stats on full load (I mean 5900u load): 196°F (91°C, 364K)
5700u heat stats standard full load: 187°F (86°C, 359K)
5700u heat stats on idle load: 106°F (41°C, 314K)
number of case fans/other fans/main fans: 6
number of silencers: 3
total weight of silencing foam used: 4lb

other than the fact that i swapped the 5600 with the 5700u, everything seems normal...


if you consider a blazing inferno hot enough to bake a cake a normal affair...


anyone have any damn idea how to reduce the amount of heat my 5700u deals out? i mean, u touch the side of my case, itll feel like the window of an oven, literally!

i mean, just to see how hot it was in there, i left one of those easy bake cake mixes in the PC (fully isolated from the PC parts of course), and about 25 minutes later, it was DONE!!! its THAT FUCKING HOT! its a damn nuclear reactor!

and no, my 5700u is NOT overclocked.

http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/kaboom.gif:nuke:http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/kaboom.gif:nuke:http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/kaboom.gif:nuke:http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/kaboom.gif:nuke:http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/kaboom.gif

[Duffman]

that is so cool, just playing a game and 25 minutes late, ding oh my foods done but i don't have to run upstairs to get it, as long as it doesn't harm the computer whats the harm of having a pc/ easy bake oven

[Livy]

get a graphics cooler http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Onl...Coolers_57.html (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Other_Coolers_57.html)
like the zalman silent heatpipe cooler

[zinc1]

Originally posted by Duffman3@1 December 2003 - 03:01
that is so cool, just playing a game and 25 minutes late, ding oh my foods done but i don't have to run upstairs to get it, as long as it doesn't harm the computer whats the harm of having a pc/ easy bake oven
Oh come on Dman3,GCNa has got a real problem there we have to find a salution to cool his comp down before he burns the house down. :o

[Duffman]

oh ok im sorry, how about trying a larger case, one of the cooling cases so that theres more room for airflow or moving whatever you can that is hot closer to the top of the case so the heat doesn't pull up

[mooseman2070]

do they have freezer cases? im serious that would be so awesome to have a freezer for your case. you could OC a P4e to 4 maybe 5 ghz

[clocker]

150 watt PSU?


5700u heat stats on full load (I mean 5900u load): 196°F (91°C, 364K)
5700u heat stats standard full load: 187°F (86°C, 359K)
5700u heat stats on idle load: 106°F (41°C, 314K)
I'm sorry, but I am dense. What is a 5700u?

[Duffman]

well they have cooler cases and stuff but i think there rather expensive, i think your best bet is to hit up google and type something like cooling cases or cooling computer cases

[GCNaddict]

Originally posted by clocker@1 December 2003 - 03:25
150 watt PSU?


5700u heat stats on full load (I mean 5900u load): 196°F (91°C, 364K)
5700u heat stats standard full load: 187°F (86°C, 359K)
5700u heat stats on idle load: 106°F (41°C, 314K)
I'm sorry, but I am dense. What is a 5700u?
yes, this is a small form factor case, so the psu will be small

5700u = geforce fx 5700 ultra

btw thanx for all the replies
on a side note: i called zalman and found out that the 5700 ultra needs to have the bulky fan attachment with the heatsink, which rules it out, as my sff case does not have enough room

[Duffman]

well you can't expect to cram evrything into a small case and not have it turn into an oven

[clocker]

$50 or so will get you a bigger case which would go a long way towards solving your problems.
Allow a decent sized PSU also.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by clocker@1 December 2003 - 02:38
$50 or so will get you a bigger case which would go a long way towards solving your problems.
Allow a decent sized PSU also.
yep :)

[GCNaddict]

ill rebuild it outside the sff case and see if it solves my issues

if not, ill get the vga silencer as i have heard good reviews about it


funny crud: i currently have the side window of my sff case removed, and the temp wont pass 60°c, but its helping to heat my room LOL!

possible solution: because keeping the window off does the card wonders, i will try drilling holes into the side window (i got this suggestion from one of my AIM buddiez)

if it works, then my issue is solved and everyone can live happily ever after spamming this topic, as it will be to no use if my issue is resolved

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by GCNaddict@1 December 2003 - 02:45
ill rebuild it outside the sff case and see if it solves my issues

if not, ill get the vga silencer as i have heard good reviews about it


funny crud: i currently have the side window of my sff case removed, and the temp wont pass 60°c, but its helping to heat my room LOL!

possible solution: because keeping the window off does the card wonders, i will try drilling holes into the side window (i got this suggestion from one of my AIM buddiez)

if it works, then my issue is solved and everyone can live happily ever after spamming this topic, as it will be to no use if my issue is resolved
cut a circular hole in the side of your case and fit a case fan on the side, either 'sucking' air out or 'blowing' it in
this should go a long way to solving the problems if you can't/won't get a new case :)

[Livy]

you be better investing in a vga cooler, doesnt have to be the silent heatpipe one, just anyone should do.

[Duffman]

so the computers cooler?
the rooms warmer?
and im not joking, whats the problem, besides to dangers of an open case?
and why not jsut buy a larger case rather then get a drill and start making holes

[GCNaddict]

well, i removed the card and put it into my sis' comp, and now her pc has the same issue. hers is not an sff

i think this is a venting issue

if i cant get it fixed ill just cut a hole into one side, attach an aluminum tray, and bingo my easy bake oven! (lol duffman)

[GCNaddict]

Originally posted by Duffman3@1 December 2003 - 03:48
so the computers cooler?
the rooms warmer?
and im not joking, whats the problem, besides to dangers of an open case?
and why not jsut buy a larger case rather then get a drill and start making holes
the problem is that, without any drilled holes, its doing a hell of a good job deforming the plexiglass shell of the case (inner shell of case is brushed aluminum) and if it can do that, it will have no trouble nuking the apartment in which i live

apparently, since using a bigger case didnt help too much, i will simply do some venting of my own

wanna know why i use an sff?

im a lan party maniac! i take my case everywhere, with an LCD monitor as well, and it is already a kickass gaming PC!

[Duffman]

ok, so the easy-bake oven excites me, why try adding a exaust fan, cutting a case hole and adding a fan to pull the warm air out, or rather couple hundred degree air out

[clocker]

Forgive me for being slow, but...

Your video card is running 50C hotter than your CPU?
That seems a tad extreme to me.

How are you monitoring this?

[Duffman]

Originally posted by clocker@1 December 2003 - 04:00
Forgive me for being slow, but...

Your video card is running 50C hotter than your CPU?
That seems a tad extreme to me.

How are you monitoring this?
yeah, holy shit, maybe theres something wrong with your temperature measuring device

[bigdawgfoxx]

Ok wouldnt there be something defective with his card? It being 100 Celcius???? Isnt that too hot even if it is in a small case..I dont see how that mould make so much difference anyways. I think theres just something about his card runnin way to fast or something.

[GCNaddict]

Originally posted by Duffman3+1 December 2003 - 04:03--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Duffman3 @ 1 December 2003 - 04:03)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-clocker@1 December 2003 - 04:00
Forgive me for being slow, but...

Your video card is running 50C hotter than your CPU?
That seems a tad extreme to me.

How are you monitoring this?
yeah, holy shit, maybe theres something wrong with your temperature measuring device [/b][/quote]
im using a genuine coolermaster fan on my cpu, which somehow does a good job of keeping my cpu from overheating

the hot air is rather localized, probly a dead spot in the case. im using the thermoprobe which was built into the chip

those readings are VERY true&#33;

[clocker]

I don&#39;t care how you monitor your CPU.

How are you reading temp on the video card?

[GCNaddict]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@1 December 2003 - 04:05
Ok wouldnt there be something defective with his card? It being 100 Celcius???? Isnt that too hot even if it is in a small case..I dont see how that mould make so much difference anyways. I think theres just something about his card runnin way to fast or something.
my card&#39;s fine&#33; im pumping 100+fps on ut2003 with 4xfsaa enabled&#33;

and not too many people would consider a card running too fast as defective.



and one last thing, the default temperature threshold is 109°c, and it wont melt until it hits 120°c

so im not worried about the card, im worried about my room&#33;(and the plexiglass shell on the outside of the case

[Duffman]

well one, what is a lan party, and two i think your only choice as of now is drilling a hole near the card with an out take fan, clocker i believe you knwo plenty of this

[GCNaddict]

Originally posted by clocker@1 December 2003 - 04:09
How are you reading temp on the video card?
http://www.angelfire.com/pokemon2/gcnaddict/vgatemp.JPG

[GCNaddict]

Originally posted by Duffman3@1 December 2003 - 04:12
well one, what is a lan party?
lan party: a "party" where everyone brings their comp to a specified location and connect it to a network in order to have a zero-latencey kickass game of:

--halo
--ut2003
--generals

and the list goez on

[clocker]

Originally posted by GCNaddict+30 November 2003 - 21:13--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GCNaddict @ 30 November 2003 - 21:13)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-clocker@1 December 2003 - 04:09
How are you reading temp on the video card?
http://www.angelfire.com/pokemon2/gcnaddict/vgatemp.JPG [/b][/quote]
That temp doesn&#39;t look so unreasonable and certainly doesn&#39;t account for your "easy bake oven" phenomenon...

[GCNaddict]

Originally posted by clocker+1 December 2003 - 04:18--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 1 December 2003 - 04:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by GCNaddict@30 November 2003 - 21:13
<!--QuoteBegin-clocker@1 December 2003 - 04:09
How are you reading temp on the video card?
http://www.angelfire.com/pokemon2/gcnaddict/vgatemp.JPG
That temp doesn&#39;t look so unreasonable and certainly doesn&#39;t account for your "easy bake oven" phenomenon... [/b][/quote]
currently idle

[Duffman]

i wanna goto a lan party, so kick it up, make a muffin, and show us how high that temp goes

[clocker]

So it&#39;s going to rise 40-50degC under load?

That is a pathetic delta value.
Is the stock heatsink/ fan properly attached/functional?

[Duffman]

Originally posted by clocker@1 December 2003 - 04:31
So it&#39;s going to rise 40-50degC under load?

That is a pathetic delta value.
Is the stock heatsink/ fan properly attached/functional?
i gotta agree with clocker maybe theres something wrong with that program or something outside the video card is effecting the readings

[GCNaddict]

Originally posted by GCNaddict+1 December 2003 - 04:27--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GCNaddict @ 1 December 2003 - 04:27)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by clocker@1 December 2003 - 04:18

Originally posted by GCNaddict@30 November 2003 - 21:13
<!--QuoteBegin-clocker@1 December 2003 - 04:09
How are you reading temp on the video card?
http://www.angelfire.com/pokemon2/gcnaddict/vgatemp.JPG
That temp doesn&#39;t look so unreasonable and certainly doesn&#39;t account for your "easy bake oven" phenomenon...
currently idle [/b][/quote]
http://www.angelfire.com/pokemon2/gcnaddict/vgaoverheat.jpg

maybe this will prove it

[Duffman]

well then, how was the muffin

[Duffman]

on a more serious note, id drill that hole soon if that things looking at 200 farenheight then thats not safe, maybe since its a small case that little bit of heat that would normally dispurse and cool get trapped and can&#39;t get out

[Pitbul]

http://www.buyxtremegear.com/atxgamcaswse.html

check out those cases, also touch your Heatsink to see if its really getting that warm. u can usually tell also why in the hell are you running a 150 PSU with that machine? it needs atleast a 350Watt PSU. i u continue to use that your askin for trouble. a 150 PSU can not support a 5700u very long. also it might be the actual program inside the driver thats why u should open your case and feel around the card cause if it runs that hot for that long you should start seeing small artifacts in the picture.

[clocker]

I don&#39;t really think that drilling holes in your case sidepanel will do you much good unless you mount a fan in it.
Heat doesn&#39;t tend to travel horizontally.

Is this extreme rise in heat common for gaming video cards?
I don&#39;t play vidgames so I&#39;m not familiar with this.
I&#39;ve benchmarked and done burnin tests on my Radeon card and temps only rose maybe 3-4 degC. Nothing even near your 40 deg rise.
I still find it hard to believe that this is only a venting/airflow issue.

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by clocker@30 November 2003 - 23:31
So it&#39;s going to rise 40-50degC under load?

That is a pathetic delta value.
Is the stock heatsink/ fan properly attached/functional?
Could you answer this question, GCNaddict.

Is the videocard cooling fan even spinning?

[racer II]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@1 December 2003 - 19:03
Is the videocard cooling fan even spinning?
I agree on that one, those temps look realy high :o

[clocker]

GCN,
please reduce the size of your screenshot, it&#39;s a pain to have to scroll all over the place here...

I have just spent some time Google searching videocard temps.
In the several OCing forums I visited, even temps in the mid 50&#39;s were cause for alarm.
No one, even those who had radically overclocked and were running at insane resolutions/refreshrates, came anywhere near the temps you are getting.
At far lower temps, folks were suffering from checkerboarding(?) and artifacting(?), two problems you haven&#39;t even mentioned.

I just ran three, back to back tests of 3D Mark and my Radeon card maxxed out at 31.5C. It rose 1.5 degree from ambient. I realize that this may not be a completely accurate comparison to an all out gaming session, but still...

I think that either your monitoring software is malfunctioning or you have a major heatsink/fan problem.
In either event I would strive to resolve this ASAP as your current situation can only be immenently fatal.

[GCNaddict]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234+1 December 2003 - 18:03--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Virtualbody1234 &#064; 1 December 2003 - 18:03)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by clocker@30 November 2003 - 23:31
So it&#39;s going to rise 40-50degC under load?

That is a pathetic delta value.
Is the stock heatsink/ fan properly attached/functional?
Could you answer this question, GCNaddict.

Is the videocard cooling fan even spinning? [/b]
yes, it is

<!--QuoteBegin-clocker@1 December 2003 - 20:48
I think that either your monitoring software is malfunctioning or you have a major heatsink/fan problem.
In either event I would strive to resolve this ASAP as your current situation can only be immenently fatal. [/quote]

i had a friend mod the window with an intake fan. all is well now. temps are under the 50°c mark

thanx for your input guys&#33;

altho i really liked the idea bout the pc/easy bake

meh. as long as my issue is fixed.

[atiVidia]

holy shit&#33; happy you got your issue resolved, as i would hate to see any good ati or nvidia gfx card go to waste.

but isnt 98°c somewhat impossible?

of rite ur using nvidia. they can handle up to 130°c in some cases

btw i like how u did ur temps in kelvin as well as centigrade and fahrenheit

[SciManAl]

@ clocker, his temps are in response for him usoing a VGA card that should never be used without heavy cooling... (if you are using formfacter size go ABIT or ATI) his temps arw what i would expect him to be cranking out at these high FSB...he needs to put a Fan blowing at the card to disperse the heat...

Dude get a ATi card that has heatpipoe cooling with it, like the 9800 pro... serios peformer...

[Smith]

:lol: :lol: im sorry, but ur story dude is funny

lmao&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

bake me a cake pls?its my mums b-day 2morrow :D :lol:

[bigdawgfoxx]

Dang..thats amazing that 1 case fan lowers the temperatures 50 Celcius...

[clocker]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@1 December 2003 - 19:52
Dang..thats amazing that 1 case fan lowers the temperatures 50 Celcius...
Well, it&#39;s probably not your normal fan...
http://www.geversaircraft.com/wt/images/mattfan.jpg

[bigdawgfoxx]

Haha ur funny man. I have no clue where you got that awesome pic lol ;)

[_John_Lennon_]

Originally posted by mooseman2070@30 November 2003 - 22:22
do they have freezer cases? im serious that would be so awesome to have a freezer for your case. you could OC a P4e to 4 maybe 5 ghz
5Ghz, umm, dont know if the ceiling is that high for the P4 cores.

[atiVidia]

Originally posted by _John_Lennon_+2 December 2003 - 05:08--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (_John_Lennon_ @ 2 December 2003 - 05:08)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-mooseman2070@30 November 2003 - 22:22
do they have freezer cases? im serious that would be so awesome to have a freezer for your case. you could OC a P4e to 4&nbsp; maybe 5 ghz
5Ghz, umm, dont know if the ceiling is that high for the P4 cores. [/b][/quote]
depends

--if its a malaysia core: up by 0.2ghz
--if it is frozen stiff, up till voltage dies (i.e. 0.7 ghz)
--if the voltage is kicked higher by .2, another 0.2ghz
--if its a 2.4c, add another 0.7ghz

total score: 2.4 gets a 1.8ghz boost

total, a 2.4 can have a theoretical 4.2 ghz in a frozen solid case

[lynx]

Glad you&#39;ve solved the problem, GCN.

I would have thought clocker or VB might have spotted the problem earlier.

Ambient temp 39C - I assume that&#39;s inside the case - a clear indication that you needed more airflow through the case, particularly around the graphics card.

[clocker]

Originally posted by lynx@2 December 2003 - 07:08


Ambient temp 39C - I assume that&#39;s inside the case - a clear indication that you needed more airflow through the case, particularly around the graphics card.
The numbers still don&#39;t make sense, lynx.

Look at his first post, he&#39;s claiming a max temp for his CPU of 38C.

1degC below ambient case temp? Hmmm...

Even with a valid reading of 39C, a rise of 45 degrees under load seems wrong.

[lynx]

On the contrary, I think it is highly indicative of poor airflow through the case. Obviously the "ambient" temp is from another sensor on the graphics card.

If you consider that high temps on graphics cards are a fairly recent phenomenon, case designers have not had to worry too much about cooling anything other than the cpu. So if all the available airflow has been cooling the cpu, air around the graphics card could well be static, or recirculating around the card. Consequently the ambient temps for the graphics card and the cpu are not necessarily the same.

This would allow the cpu to stay cool while causing the ambient temp of the graphics card to be relatively high. Once the graphics card is put under heavy load the situation would get even worse, resulting in the high temps he has seen - even though the graphics cooler looks as if it is working.

A small amount of additional airflow to the graphics card would have a dramatic effect on this situation, which is exactly the observed effect.

[clocker]

I am not trying to be obstinant here, just trying to grasp the mechanics.

How far from your CPU/HSF is the vid card? In my case it is 2 3/4", but I have a very large heatsink, so, to be fair, let&#39;s say 31/2" would be about typical.

I removed my side panel and placed a Tensor quartz halogen lamp about where the video card is (actually further away as the card is still in place) and turned it on.
Halogen lights get quite hot, although not as hot as what we are being told his video card is getting.
After approx. 5 minutes the CPU temp began to rise as did the motherboard temp.
They topped out about 5-6 degrees warmer than my typical temps.

My point with all this monkeying around is that I don&#39;t see how it is possible to maintain CPU temps in the high 30&#39;s with a blazing heatsource just inches away.
Especially if the case airflow is as bad as you imagine. As the videocard is below the HSF, all of that heat should be rising up and seriously affecting the CPU temps.

All of this is moot of course, you and I will never see the PC in question.
I was simply intrigued by the problem and am confused about the solution.
I wish one of my 80mm case fans made as much difference as it apparently did here....

[GCNaddict]

the ambient temp. sensor is on thetop right corner of the card (the VERY top right corner). in my case, this happens to be a dead air pocket

the fan also has a built in sensor, and qith the current settings, is VERY quiet (only 1000 rpm) and does a very nice job

as usual, it is a coolermaster case fan

want to be specific? its an aero blower

my friend cut identical parts from both case windows, and added aero blowers to both sides

as you know, aero blowers are rather bulky, and the way my friend installed them, they stick roght out of the case.

the aero blower is generally used as a cpu fan, but in this case, works as a case fan AND make my sff pc look more like a jet&#33;

both fans are intake fans, which also adds airflow over my cpu, which also dropped my core temps

[GCNaddict]

oh yes, and i upgraded the psu from 150 to 220 (220 is the best microatx psu ive seen which fits my case)

[lynx]

I agree, it does seem rather odd.

My point about airflow was that it appeared to be poor in the area of the graphics card but not for the cpu. I&#39;ve seen some where cooling for the cpu is ducted directly from outside the case, then rises and is expelled by the psu fan.

If this is the situation then any heat from other sources would be blown away from the cpu, and air entering the case by this method could be matching the air extracted by the psu fan, leaving virtually no airflow in any other part of the case.

Adding a small fan would have the effect of increasing the pressure inside the case so the exhaust would be increased without materially affecting airflow to the cpu. The effect when going from near zero airflow would be tremendous.

As you say, all this is moot unless we get more info from GCN, preferably with pictures.