My Full Review On Www.anonx.com

[james_bond_rulez]

for those of you who do know what www.anonx.com is: it is a PAID anonymous proxy service that will allow you to browse web, p2p without giving out your identity.

I'd like to add here that i am not promoting the service in any way. This is my personal review on the service as a customer. If you read my review and decide to try yourself, that's great. If you think this is bullshit then just walk away and dont flame. I am here to educate about privacy on p2p networks not marketing.

I, like the rest of you, do a lot of file sharing, and a lot of these files i am trading are copyrighted and companies like MPAA/RIAA would like to see me get caught and prosecuted. That's why i've been actively seeking for ways to protect myself on the p2p networks.

There are a lot of public proxy servers out there that are free. You can use them to browse the internet anonymously, no question about that. But that only protects your web browsing aspect of ur internet activity. What about p2p programs like kazaa, bittorrent? sometimes free proxy servers are not reliable, they are slow, and they DONT work!!

That's why i've turned to www.anonx.com for some help. Their service utilizes VPN procotols and overlays ur current TCP/IP internet connection.

http://server4.uploadit.org/files/031203-taskbar.jpg

upon connecting to their proxy server, i immediately noticed a slight drop in speed on internet browsing. Pages take slightly longer to load.

I then ran a simple whois on my current location

http://server4.uploadit.org/files/031203-whoisweb.jpg
http://server4.uploadit.org/files/031203-grc.com.jpg

the result? i can't tell shit where i am lol or who my isp is. And this is the desired effect i am looking for

I started my bt client (Nova Torrent), and downloads take a lil longer to start but once they start they go pretty fast ( I got 1200kbps down/400kbps up and I usually get full speed down). And since I am in a VPN session i am sure that all my traffic is being routed through the proxy first then to my computer, the indicator on your task bar will show the two connection are flashing at the same time. This means whoever is on the tracker or users connected to the tracker will only see the ip of ur proxy server ip not ur isp ip, which is exactly what i wanted.

Opened up irc, joined a channel, did a whois, same result

this basically works on everything that requires a internet connection.

However I am having trouble with my newsreader program, since i can't connect at all my my isp's newsserver, i have yet to work this out. But i am sure once you get it to work you can post on newsgroups anonymously as well.

Edit: well my bad because my isp authenticate me by my ip address to log into the news server, since i was on proxy isp didn't allow me to log in. That was been solved now

Now for the service itself. It costs 5.95 USD per month, or 7 something dollars canadian dollarsk, which is ok, not too expensive. And you can cancel anytime via your palpay account

Speed is a lil slow but i can live with that.

Their tech support and customer support is simply amazing, fast and friendly. usually i sent a question it gets answered within 24 hours, usually sooner.

Regarding their privacy policy they WONT rat you out if MPAA/RIAA writes them complaints and i know this is what y'all wanna hear.. lol

here is my email inquiring about their service:

"James,

Great questions. We have given great thought to these questions during
the setup of AnonX.



>James Bond <james_bond_rulez@> wrote ..
>
> "Anonx, Inc. does not condone the use of its network or resources to
violate
> any laws of the said subscribers country of origin nor will we held
liable
> for such violations."
>
> So are you saying if users are using ur service to trade, ooo i
dunno,
> copyrighted material on p2p networks you would rat them out?


Lawyers made us say that. In truth we keep NO records. NONE&#33; AnonX
does NOT know what you are surfing, downloading, sharing, hacking, etc.
AnonX does NOT even keep track if you have ever logged into AnonX
servers. And of course, we do not keep your name or any personal info in
any form. If anyone requests records we would NOT be able to produce
them because we do NOT keep records, log, databases, etc.....

We have also taken great care in structuring our companies in such away
that RIAA and others do NOT have the right to any info. Which (of
course) there is NONE.


>
> what is your policy when say, MPAA, writes you a complaint saying i
was
> violating copyright laws by sharing a movie file on bittorrent? what
then?

Respond back that we have no way of tracking you and that they should
find you by some other means.


>
> I mean, come on, if ppl use p2p for "legitimate" purposes they
wouldn&#39;t
> need anonymous proxy services like ur company provides.

There are very legitimate reasons other than avoiding RIAA to us AnonX.
Just look at the other anonymous services that do nothing but port 80
traffic. Now, some people will use AnonX for sharing copyrighted
material. AnonX is not going to stop you and we are going to watch/monitor
your habbits. AnonX provides the service what you and others do with
"the service" is up to you.

>
> Also one last question, where is ur proxy servers located?

We have 40+ servers around the world. The servers are stationed in
countries friendly to our anonymous company structure.



If you have any other question please e-mail us again.


-----------
Thanks AnonX Customer Service



>
> Thx for ur time
>
>
>
> James Bond"

:lol:

[james_bond_rulez]

ok , shit, my bad

i forgot to mention that connection to the proxy server is also ENCRYPTED? so ur isp can&#39;t see ur activity?

MPPE 128 encryption procotol, that would explain the slower speed

but it&#39;s safer&#33;&#33;

i like it&#33; :lol:

[james_bond_rulez]

guess who&#39;s back p2p&#39;ing, u mpaa bastards :lol:

[RealitY]

I may have to give it a try, have you done a netstat while running BT and IRC yet...

[james_bond_rulez]

yes you will be protected ;)

[james_bond_rulez]

man i can&#39;t tell you how great this shit is.

I was afraid to post copyright stuff on newsgroup but now i am a post whore :lol:

[venom_il]

hehe i bet you laugh at the little guy in your sig

NO YOU IDIOT THAT&#39;S NOT MY IP BWAHAHHA :lol:

[james_bond_rulez]

roflmao fuck yeah :lol:

[Jibbler]

With all due respect, this sounds like its right up my alley.. checked out the site earlier, but only for a minute. I&#39;ll be looking more deeply into this in the coming days. ;)

[james_bond_rulez]

that&#39;s fine

i was just checking out the company info in my palpay account.

it&#39;s a rather new company, only existed a little over a month at paypal. but it&#39;s based in swiss...

:lol:

[Jibbler]

Actually, the speed thing is something I&#39;m concerned with. Any chance you could do a benchmark speed test at www.dslreports.com with the proxy/and again without? I would be very interested in the speed loss vs. cost/privacy. Remember to shut down Kazaa and those filesharing progies to get an accurate test.

[james_bond_rulez]

Without Proxy:
http://server4.uploadit.org/files/041203-beforepic2.jpg

With Proxy:
http://server4.uploadit.org/files/041203-benchresult.jpg


well you can&#39;t have best of both worlds... ;)

[4play]

so what happens when the riaa or the mpaa asks these people for your details. they will be obliged to give them your details since they do not wanna get in shit.

you are a paying customer and they will have all your detials no need to contact any isp&#39;s now is there.

good idea in theory but the fact you have to pay for the account makes it no longer anon.

[james_bond_rulez]

Originally posted by 4play@4 December 2003 - 05:22
so what happens when the riaa or the mpaa asks these people for your details. they will be obliged to give them your details since they do not wanna get in shit.

you are a paying customer and they will have all your detials no need to contact any isp&#39;s now is there.

good idea in theory but the fact you have to pay for the account makes it no longer anon.
wrong again bud..

maybe you didn&#39;t read the last part of my first post...

they&#39;ve made it their mission to protect us, if they fail to do that then they are really fucking their own business.

Proxies are only as good as their operators. and I believe the guys at anonx are on our side ;)

as for payments they dont know shit about me since i paid through paypal.

all i am required is a username/password to use their service ;)

[4play]

and you really believe they keep no records.

what happens when some script kiddie launches a dos attack against a site using this service. guess what they are liable not the source of the attack.

they keep records of everything that goes through there servers no matter what they say.

the fact that you pay fot this service means they can track you down. the only really anon way of surfing is to go wardriving and use other peeps wireless networks.

[james_bond_rulez]

Originally posted by 4play@4 December 2003 - 05:38
and you really believe they keep no records.

what happens when some script kiddie launches a dos attack against a site using this service. guess what they are liable not the source of the attack.

they keep records of everything that goes through there servers no matter what they say.

the fact that you pay fot this service means they can track you down. the only really anon way of surfing is to go wardriving and use other peeps wireless networks.
if you are so skeptical why dont you use something else?

i understand it pays to be paranoid but if you do that all the time you&#39;ll never get to p2p with your internet

now i&#39;ve put my trust in the hands of this company and I believe it&#39;s in their best interest for them to hold up their end of the bargain.

it&#39;s better than getting on bt with NOTHING&#33;&#33;&#33; <_<

last time i did that i got a notice from my isp <_<

[james_bond_rulez]

well last time i checked it&#39;s a theft to hijack other ppl&#39;s wireless internet <_<

and it&#39;s even lamer than pirating on the internet <_<

[4play]

im very skeptical of every thing on the internet otherwise i would be using kazaa gold right now. :P

still a pay service is never gonna protect you from the riaa/mpaa. it might add another layer of protection but its not fool proof. a bit like a steering lock only puts off a car thief it will never stop him stealing your car if he really wants to.

something like freenet where all data is sent through multiple sources will protect everybody but it can be used for any content and cannot be supervised. the fact that the faq said i could be caching child porn on my computer kinda put me off it.

edit:


well last time i checked it&#39;s a theft to hijack other ppl&#39;s wireless internet
yes it is illegal but so is downloading copyrighted content you might as well go the whole hog and get arrested for something worthwhile :lol:

[james_bond_rulez]

well i am still testing this service. i&#39;ll try sharing some new release movies with this service and see if i get another notice ;)

but then that&#39;s rare, in my 4 months of file sharing this is the first time i&#39;ve gotten a notice.

I dont believe p2p clients can really protect you, cuz there are ways to get ur ip. dont ask why but there are just ppl who can.

however if you mask ur ip at the source then it doesn&#39;t really matter what p2p u use you will be protected...

you forgot my last quote


and it&#39;s even lamer than pirating on the internet

kiss my ass :lol:

[RealitY]

First off I ran a test with JBR in an IRC channel and on BT and both only showed me his proxy, so this does work and seems well woth the &#036;5.95 per month for a little sanity.

Now lets say they keep logs and the AA jumps on BT and sees like 40 people sharing the latest movie and that 38. IP is in there, then what. All they ever do is send a letter to the ISP right now. As far as movies go they have yet to to ask for you info that I know of. So that means some company wherever gets a letter that they throw away.

Lets say they ask for your info, its possible. Lets add to that they have a 90 day log at that company, which is quite long, even my ISP only logs 90 days and some only log 7 days such as newservers in case of spam. Now the AA requests by supenoa your information from a company in another counry, which is already highly unlikely and not worth the time, and they respond that they don&#39;t know or keep logs then I imagine anyone would give up since it is just simply to much fkin work at that point and there are easier people to catch and pester. Though if they continue to pursue it by that time any logs that may exsist would be gone. Also as far as I know at the moment there are no regulations requiring that proxy servers keep logs to begin with, Though that may change here in the US anyway, and it is not in this companys best interest to fk their own customers.

This may be a new wave and I for one intend on signing up this weekend, after all were only talking about &#036;5.95 per month. Only thing I still find puzzling is how can they manage this so cheap...

[Sparkle1984]

Does using the proxy slow down your speeds at all?

[IWishAnon2609]

So you know I asked similar Questions to their TechSupport (yes I did find the email thankyou), they said that they didn&#39;t keep any logs at all with

"**One expection**
We will monitor a log in attempt upon a customer&#39;s request because of problem.
Just the log in attempt nothing more. As soon as the problem is solved we
deleted all the records of the log in attempts."

and

"E-mails are deleted as soon as questions are anwsered
and problems solved. We do NOT track customer traffic at anytime for any
reason&#33;&#33;&#33;"

I&#39;ll be extra paranoid for a second here, is there any chance that this could be a front for an anti-p2p company, I would say only the more security consious sharers will use this, ie-KL++ users and the &#39;harder&#39; (but by no means impossible) to catch. Wouldn&#39;t this be a good way to get em&#39;.
When you sign up do you sign any kind of legal contract etc etc, which would make it impossible for this to be the case?
And the fact that they are so open in emails?, wouldn&#39;t this get them in trouble in a legal guy pretending to be a user asked these same questions?
Just a paranoid point, hopefully this is as good as it sounds.

[N£MO]

What if this company are really the RIAA and they have set this up to trap p2p&#39;ers??

Becareful of who you trust.

[SeK612]

I just use a proxy in IE (its free and relatively fast :)). It suits me fine. I think it keeps me fairly anonymous (although I&#39;m not sure whether this effects P2P apps...) and since my ISP don&#39;t seem too against filesharing I don&#39;t really need anything better.

As far as I know you have to keep some sort of records and no doubt the RIAA or MPAA could force them to start tracking connections (and / or use court action to shut them down) although Anonx might contact their customers warning them if this were to happen.

[james_bond_rulez]

just to give you some idea of speed

this is a screen shot of the bt client sharing with the proxy ON, note i&#39;ve taken the file names off for obvious reason and the tracker for the first torrent is down at the moment.

http://server4.uploadit.org/files/041203-btspeed.jpg

the upload speed is running at top speed i&#39;ve limited : 30kB/s

download speed: pretty amazing but can go even faster if the first tracker were working..

;)

all of these torrents are relatively new releases and some of them movies :lol:

[IWishAnon2609]

Sek:Are you sure proxy&#39;s need to keep logs?, and does anyone know how this logs thing works as they have proxy&#39;s based across several countries?, does this mean that some proxy&#39;s dependant on the country in which they are based would require longer logs than others?, or is it entirely based on the country in which the company is registered?, in which case, if Bond is right, anyone know the logging rules for proxy&#39;s in Switzerland?

[james_bond_rulez]

Originally posted by IWishAnon2609@4 December 2003 - 17:22
Sek:Are you sure proxy&#39;s need to keep logs?, and does anyone know how this logs thing works as they have proxy&#39;s based across several countries?, does this mean that some proxy&#39;s dependant on the country in which they are based would require longer logs than others?, or is it entirely based on the country in which the company is registered?, in which case, if Bond is right, anyone know the logging rules for proxy&#39;s in Switzerland?
does anybody read my entire first post? :lol: <_<

[james_bond_rulez]

this is from the founder of anonx.com him/herself

"James,


This is the founder and an owner of AnonX. We are not RIAA/MPAA or
anyway affiliated with them. Let me give you the brief history of AnonX
to sooth your concerns.

I worked as the IT Director for an ISP that provided Internet bandwidth
to several college dorms. My department was bombarded with request by
Sony and others to turn over the names of college students who where
sharing 2-3 songs and a movie. They wanted us to perform the equivalent
of a wire tape without a court order. Plus Sony demanded that we turn
OFF our "guilty" customers. What company in America dictates the
customers another company can services? None&#33; Let me qualify the next
statement by saying I am for up holding the law. RIAA/MPAA/SONY/Others
(Watch Dogs) are abusing their powers generously granted to them from the
US Congress. The Watch Dogs were playing big brother in my opinion
infringing on individual rights. The Watch Dogs coupled with the fact that
other anonymous proxies are not a complete service lead me to
developing AnonX.

The primary problems with other proxy services are low bandwidth, very
centralized, and useful for only a select group of ports and protocols.
I have made a commitment to large amounts of bandwidth and many/many
servers around the world, and as you have seen all ports all protocols
all the time.


If you or your P2P friends have anymore questions please ask.


-----
Thanks for your business,
Owner of AnonX"

;)

[AnonXO]

Hi to All,

James Bond asked me to chat with the klboard forum about AnonX and Internet privacy. I am the founder of AnonX. AnonX&#39;s Mission statement is to protect the identity and privacy of web users for all types of traffic.


In the last three years our rights to surf/download/share/etc have been compromise. Congress has generously given power to RIAA and others to police copyright material. I was the IT Director of an ISP that provided Internet services to private dorms. I was bombarded with request from Sony to shut off students and turn the "guilty student" over to Sony for sharing 2-3 songs and a movie. When my former company tried to ignore Sony they demanded that we use whatever tools necessary to find these individuals, turn them off, and give Sony their personal information. I support this country and I believe in following the law. With AnonX I found a way to keep the letter of the law and protect web users rights to privacy.

If anyone has questions regarding the privacy laws or AnonX service. I will be glad to answers them.



---Thanks



PS.

James - Your connection is compressed and encrypted. Your bandwidth measurements especially with web traffic will be skewed. AnonX allocates 1.5Mbs per customer. You may exceed this bandwidth if it is avaivable, but you are allocate 1.5 Mbs. The encryption does not slow down the connection. The Array of servers used are the best on the plant.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by AnonXO@4 December 2003 - 12:42
Hi to All,

James Bond asked me to chat with the klboard forum about AnonX and Internet privacy. I am the founder of AnonX. AnonX&#39;s Mission statement is to protect the identity and privacy of web users for all types of traffic.

If anyone has questions regarding the privacy laws or AnonX service. I will be glad to answers them.

---Thanks



Nice to meet you, please keep in mind we are but a bunch of paranoid nutjobs...
:huh: :huh:

[IWishAnon2609]

Excuse me,
I am not a nutjob,

I may be a loonatic, a schizophrenic, a porn star, a nutjob,
but I am not a communist. :blink:

[RealitY]

Originally posted by IWishAnon2609@4 December 2003 - 13:40
Excuse me,
I am not a nutjob,

I may be a loonatic, a schizophrenic, a porn star, a nutjob,
but I am not a communist. :blink:
Make up your mind...

Anyways I am.

[IWishAnon2609]

If anyone can guess where I ripped that off from I&#39;ll give you,...... 2 Cents/Pence... whatever.

[tracydani]

This is great news and I will be signing up as soon as I can.

Thanks JBR for keeping in close contact with them, and thanks AnonXO for coming to talk with us. You guys are great at getting back to answer our questions. My email was same day service :)

REALITY wasn&#39;t kidding about the paranoid bit :D

TD

[abu_has_the_power]

is this service free? does it slow down dl speed?

[vivitron 15]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@4 December 2003 - 23:03
is this service free? does it slow down dl speed?
more importantly: can you read? <_<

both these questions are answered in the first post or two

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by vivitron 15+4 December 2003 - 18:07--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (vivitron 15 @ 4 December 2003 - 18:07)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@4 December 2003 - 23:03
is this service free? does it slow down dl speed?
more importantly: can you read? <_<

both these questions are answered in the first post or two [/b][/quote]
lol. ok. i didn&#39;t read the whole thing

[abu_has_the_power]

damn. if this was free, i&#39;d sign up in a heartbeat.

[james_bond_rulez]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@4 December 2003 - 23:10
damn. if this was free, i&#39;d sign up in a heartbeat.
hardly anything is free nowadays.

well except a few things... :-"

and, oh, anonxo thx for coming.

Nice to meet you :lol:

[james_bond_rulez]

oh anonxo one more question

my connection is not compressed, i checked the connection property

my current setting is:

Server Type: PPP
Transfer: TCP/IP
Certificate: MS CHAP V2
Encryption: MPPE 128
Compression: None
PPP Multi Connect Structure: Closed
Server Address: xx.xx.xx.xx
User Address: xx.xx.xx.xx

how do i turn compression on? :huh:

[AnonXO]

Hey to everyone paranoid or not.


I wish AnonX could be free or atleast cheaper, but the truth is bandwidth cost money and so does setting up Forgien Corporations.


---------------
James

Compression is on our end. I will check our server recent installs to make sure they are turning compression on.

[james_bond_rulez]

mmm 5.95 USD is a little to pay for a peace of mind... :lol:

[Jibbler]

Originally posted by james_bond_rulez@4 December 2003 - 19:56
mmm 5.95 USD is a little to pay for a peace of mind... :lol:
Agreed. The price is reasonable and fair for the service provided. ;)

[Bobohiotk]

Six bucks monthly for peace of mind is worth it. JB, thanks for doing all the leg work on this.

[james_bond_rulez]

no problem. I think this service is good for you if you trade a lot of copyright files, so I am sharing this info with y&#39;all :lol:

[AnonXO]

I am glad you all think the price is fair for the service we provide.


Three months ago we had 100 of our close friends test out AnonX with every p2p app they could find. They found no bugs.

Two months ago we gave out 1000 comp accounts to college students and forum admins. They all loved the service. And after the trail 92% of them signed up. The biggest concern on our minds was how do we convince p2p users that AnonX is not just another low-end anonymous proxy service. Judging by the emails and messages boards most hardcore AnonX users have put that question to reset.

So, my question to this forum is what are your concerns about a high-end anonymous proxy service like AnonX?

Corop Disclosure Law? Digital Millennium Copyright Act? ???

[james_bond_rulez]

Our concerns? well first and foremost is anonymity, second is speed, third is ur privacy policies.

looks to me anonx is qualified :lol:

most hardcore p2p users have this misconception that a simple firewall or router will shield them from RIAA/MPAA and in fact they are not anonymous out there. Especially on the internet you trust nothing or anybody.

With the RIAA crackdown, i think ppl became more aware of privacy issues and seeking for ways to protect themselves. I mean, not just on p2p networks. Whenever you are on msn chatting, irc channels chatting or sharing files, on kazaa reading porn ;) , posting the latest games on newsgroups, or sharing fine tunes on soulseek or just writing a simple email your identity is there with you. If you dont mask it, then you are really asking for trouble.

yeah so basically everything you do on the internet is traceable and there will be records of ur activities.

oh yes REALITY has been bugging me with this question, he&#39;s too chicken to ask you.

He thinks anonx has US interests?? although i dont fully understand what he means, as the rest of us rarely do understand him lol

hey REALITY why dont you ask him here? i&#39;ve started it for ya lol

[RealitY]

Originally posted by james_bond_rulez@5 December 2003 - 01:47
oh yes REALITY has been bugging me with this question

He thinks anonx has US interests?? although i dont fully understand what he means
First of your one gOOfy Canuk so STFU. Second I have been talking with him PM prior to dicussing my concers with you which still linger, my questions to you were a sorta "what if", though I guess you missed the point. Anyway I have gotten a fair amount of info from him and am still talkin with him. My point is that if there is US ties within this company then they would be subject to US law I imagine, thus this would concern me and others I&#39;m sure...

[AnonXO]

There are no "official" ties that legaly connect AnonX to the US. AnonX is based in Vanuatu. There other companies for processing the billing and other that purchase large amounts of bandwidth to resell to AnonX. They are based in other places. Good luck tracking them. We have put several layers into the processing structure to aviod legal conflict. I do not want too give to much detail about locations.

[james_bond_rulez]

that&#39;s all we needed to know anonx..thx :lol:

[Bobohiotk]

AnonXO,
In the past, I&#39;ve wasted my money buying into low level Proxy Servers such as the "Anonymizer Tool Bar" (http://www.anonymizer.com). I found that when I tried to go to many internet sites, or log onto some sites for mail, etc. I was refused because my IP address was not presented. Will this problem exist if surfing through your servers?

[Bobohiotk]

AnonXO,
In the past, I&#39;ve wasted my money buying into low level Proxy Servers such as the "Anonymizer Tool Bar" (http://www.anonymizer.com). I found that when I tried to go to many internet sites, or log onto some sites for mail, etc. I was refused because my IP address was not presented. Will this problem exist if surfing through your servers?

[Bobohiotk]

Sorry for the dup post.

[tracydani]

That&#39;s a good question. Can we instruct your program to allow certain traffic to go without proxies so as not to confuse regular sites we go to such as this forum? I also had that problem with a proxy program.

Also, I saw in one of the previous posts that our data transfers will be encrypted. I just wanted to confirm whether or not it is encrypted before the isp gets it. The post seemed to suggest that our isp will not be able to see (at least specifically what the file is) the traffic either way.

Thanks

TD

[james_bond_rulez]

that&#39;s what is so special about this service

it uses virtual private network to connect to the proxy server, which compresses and encrypts your connection completely. Not even ur isp has a clue what you are doing. ;)

no matter what web based program you run, browser, p2p, emails, your ip will be the proxy ip not ur own.

if you wanna use certain service without proxy, simply turn it off ;)

services like anonymizer uses similar proxy system but it&#39;s only good for web browsing, not for p2p. and it also blocks cookies so when you go to certains sites you are not allowed to view content. However the ip is NEVER "blocked", it only shows the ip of the proxy you are connected to :lol:

[AnonXO]

Second questin first,
The traffic between AnonX servers and you is encrypted (128-Bit Stateless.)
The traffic between AnonX servers is bundled and encrypted 2192-Bit Statless.

Frist question
This is a tuff one. I don not recomment this practice, but you can do it. The idea is to port forward curtain types of traffic. Which is possible with XP/2000 but not 98 and ME. It is very easy on a Linux Box.

You can run into the a number of problems. Two of them are

A. If you use random ports with your p2p app you may land on the open port and be exposed.

B. Two if you are a heavy user RIAA or others might be able to expolit the hole by monitoring web site traffic. Trust me SONY can and has hacked routers to find people. That why you are only safe if the data is encrypted between you and AnonX.

[james_bond_rulez]

and you forward these ports how? on the server side? client side? on my router? :huh:

i run my bt ports high above 10000 range in the past to avoid random isp scans but ineffective against other ppl getting my ip.

so it&#39;s a bad thing to mess with bt port settings?

[AnonXO]

Client side.

Seconly from experince, ISP scan looking for high traffic based on ip then do a complete port scan. They block KNOWN p2p ports and some others to prevent unwanted traffic. ISPs do this not because they are trying to find you but because they realize that p2p eats up alot of bandwidth and they want to maximize the amount of customers they can put on a pipe. Tracking people is a pain in the butt... and ISPs don&#39;t want to get envolved unless they told to.



---Anonx

[james_bond_rulez]

so if i mess with my bt ports and land on "open port" and be "exposed" meaning other ppl can track me now? while using anonx?

i am not sure what you mean :huh:

[Bobohiotk]

AnonXO,
I guess I need some clarification also. My understanding is that EVERYTHING from my side must first go through the ISP. This must be true. How else could it reach the Proxy? If that is the case, how can my IP show as the Proxy&#39;s IP such that my ISP will not know what is going on?

This is especially meaningful for me, since my ISP is one of the major players in the RIAA consortium.

If the answer is that my ISP will not know what is going on, then I&#39;m gonna look into buying some stock in your company.

[asmithz]

Anonx how bout setting up diferant forms of payment. Sadly some of us don&#39;t have credit cards to set up a pay pal account. :P

[james_bond_rulez]

Originally posted by Agent Smith@6 December 2003 - 01:56
Anonx how bout setting up diferant forms of payment. Sadly some of us don&#39;t have credit cards to set up a pay pal account.&nbsp; :P
you are not worthy to be on my thread... <_<


:lol: :shit: :P

[Jibbler]

Originally posted by Agent Smith@5 December 2003 - 21:56
Anonx how bout setting up diferant forms of payment. Sadly some of us don&#39;t have credit cards to set up a pay pal account. :P
You don&#39;t need a CC for paypal. The can directly debit from your checking account. You have one of THOSE don&#39;t you? :huh:

[AnonXO]

First Question,

Chain of Events

Your PC<------&#62;ISP<----------&#62;ANONX<-----------&#62;WWW


When you make a request to the www with AnonX you go between your PC and AnonX through an secure encrypted pipe via your ISP. The AnonX servers make all the request to the WWW for you. The AnonX server encrypts your packets and make them look like legetiment VPN style traffic not P2P traffic. Your ISP will see that you are using alot of bandwidth, but as far as they know you are doing alot of work from home VPNing into the office. They can not see what is in the packets to determine what you are downloading. They see you going to an AnonX server for every request.

Now, if ISPs start blocking AnonX addresses we start changing the IP address on a very regular basis. We already have several class C to burn. And have deals with our internet providers to get more on demand.



Second Question,

Are you willing to mail in a payment to an overseas address, which will take two weeks (standard mail)?

You can buy a prepaid credit card setup a PayPal account pay for the AnonX service. This is the best way to be anonymous.

--AnonX

[james_bond_rulez]

mmm yeah that&#39;s how i setup mine... B)

annon could you answer my question?

http://klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=...ndpost&p=716320 (http://klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=85740&view=findpost&p=716320)

thx ;)

[james_bond_rulez]

oh yes one more question. mm what software do i use if i wanna make my home computer to be able to initiate a vpn session with other computers? in other words i wanna make it a vpn server?

is there software that does that with personal computers?

because this is way cool :lol:

[AnonXO]

1. Back to bt and selectively turning on/off portions of the VPN

If you use port forwarding to side step the VPN process, then you are going straight to the Internet. Depending on what you connect to on that port you could open yourself up to be scanned.



2. There are many programs that you can use to create vpn server. There are also VPN black boxes that you can use (Nortel makes them)

Windows 2000 server has a VPN server built into it (pptp and L2P). Windows 2000 professional may have it a well (not sure. They work reasonably well, but as with most Microsoft products they are open to hacking and eat up alot of CPU power. For a P IV 2.4 GHz box you can put about 256 users. As for other windows based VPN products I have not used them and cannot comment on them.

If you are looking for free and have a some time to kill you can jump into the Linux&#39;s world and build a Free-Swan box. It is one of the better open source VPNs

Nortel makes a router/NAT/VPN box that you just plug one end into your internet connection and the other into your network. It is easy to configure, but it cost some &#036;&#036;&#036;


Just beware that with Free-Swan, Microsoft, etc are standards that people have tried to hack in the past with man in the middle attacks. The vulnerabilities are well known. If everyone plays nicely then there is no problem, but if you get one rouge user you can be in deep trouble.

Anonx is a proprietary “VPN style” connection we use many of the visible properties of a VPN, but how we accomplish this is very different.

[asmithz]

Originally posted by james_bond_rulez+5 December 2003 - 18:07--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (james_bond_rulez @ 5 December 2003 - 18:07)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Agent Smith@6 December 2003 - 01:56
Anonx how bout setting up diferant forms of payment. Sadly some of us don&#39;t have credit cards to set up a pay pal account. :P
you are not worthy to be on my thread... <_<


:lol: :shit: :P [/b][/quote]
Why thank you :censored:

[james_bond_rulez]

Originally posted by AnonXO@6 December 2003 - 05:53
1.&nbsp; Back to bt and selectively turning on/off portions of the VPN

If you use port forwarding to side step the VPN process, then you are going straight to the Internet.&nbsp; Depending on what you connect to on that port you could open yourself up to be scanned.

so if i run my bt on 13963-13971 and i do a port scan on the proxy server and find them closed i am ok?

http://server4.uploadit.org/files/061203-bt%20ports.jpg

is this what you mean?

:lol:

well probing the server&#39;s first 1056 ports i can only find the following ports open: 21, 22, 53, 80, 111, 139, 443, 712, 796. so i guess you only open ports you really need eh? lol

[Bobohiotk]

AnonXO,
Thanks for the clarification. I&#39;m a whole lot more comfortable with this approach than many of the other ways discussed on this board. We&#39;ve been talking about this stuff for quite a while. It sure beats updating PG data bases, modifying ZA xml files, etc.

[james_bond_rulez]

Originally posted by Bobohiotk@6 December 2003 - 07:57
AnonXO,
Thanks for the clarification. I&#39;m a whole lot more comfortable with this approach than many of the other ways discussed on this board. We&#39;ve been talking about this stuff for quite a while. It sure beats updating PG data bases, modifying ZA xml files, etc.
of course, za blocking list is really not that effective against p2p scans since they can just change ip and scan you anyway

getting a proxy service is the real answer to anonymity... ;)

[AnonXO]

21, ftp
22, ssh
53, domain-name server
80, HTTP
111, sun-rpc
139, netbios-ssn
443, SSL
712, ???
796, ????


I would have to check my notes but the source box on your computer for VPN is 1723. Destination can be anything.......................blablalbalblalbla

Short Anwser...: yes you are okay.

[james_bond_rulez]

mmm anonxo, just wondering if ur proxy server has any rules regarding uploading/download ratio.

when I use bt i seem to get 1: 1 ratio, my top proxy upload speed seems to top off at 30kB/s or 240kb/s, and so is my download

this was not the case with my own adsl line, ususally i get 150kB/s down while only uploading 30kB/s up...

http://server4.uploadit.org/files/061203-ratiosucks.jpg

This is in no way complaining the service :-"

:lol: :lol:

thx anonxo for answering all our questions ;)

PS errr i checked my connection settings and "enable compression" is checked. so my connection being not compressed could be due to ....mmmm..server side problem? lol ;)

[Death2Uall]

http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg

hey bond,

does this show your ip... if not what does it say.

[james_bond_rulez]

Originally posted by Death2Uall@7 December 2003 - 01:55
http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg

hey bond,

does this show your ip... if not what does it say.
why should i tell u? can&#39;t u read it urself? :lol:

[Death2Uall]

I know it shows mine but is the IP Spoofer realy works would it not show your ip?

[james_bond_rulez]

Originally posted by Death2Uall@7 December 2003 - 02:13
I know it shows mine but is the IP Spoofer realy works would it not show your ip?
why dont you start by reading this (http://klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=85740&st=0)? and stop polluting my thread with useless replies

[internet.news]

Do you know if there is any free service for IP hiding?

I do not have the money to pay for it it it is 100 bucks per month ;)

[james_bond_rulez]

Originally posted by internet.news@7 December 2003 - 02:22
Do you know if there is any free service for IP hiding?

I do not have the money to pay for it it it is 100 bucks per month ;)
if you want free proxy service then this thread is probably not for you <_<

try this instead http://www.anonymitychecker.com/page1.html

[internet.news]

I was just asking how much bucks does it cost?

You know, if I pay I wanna full protection&#33; full anonymity ;)

thanks for the link ;)

Added: Ok, no more flame.

[james_bond_rulez]

damn it&#33;&#33; ppl dont read my first thread and it&#39;s start to get annoying&#33;&#33; :angry:

http://klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=85740&st=0

[internet.news]

Originally posted by 4play@4 December 2003 - 06:22
so what happens when the riaa or the mpaa asks these people for your details. they will be obliged to give them your details since they do not wanna get in shit.

you are a paying customer and they will have all your detials no need to contact any isp&#39;s now is there.

good idea in theory but the fact you have to pay for the account makes it no longer anon.
Very interesting point.

"... Lawyers made us say that. In truth we keep NO records. NONE&#33; AnonX
does NOT know what you are surfing, downloading, sharing, hacking, etc.
AnonX does NOT even keep track if you have ever logged into AnonX
servers. And of course, we do not keep your name or any personal info in
any form. If anyone requests records we would NOT be able to produce
them because we do NOT keep records, log, databases, etc..... ..."

I hope that it so - and 5 Dollar is quite cheap, I think.

[apunkrockmonk]

Originally posted by IWishAnon2609@4 December 2003 - 22:03
If anyone can guess where I ripped that off from I&#39;ll give you,...... 2 Cents/Pence... whatever.
the simpsons, you ripped it off of grandpa simpson in specific


as to somthing more on topic, this sounds really good to me, but I do not know if i do enough file sharing for this to be worth it for me... is road runner good about protecting their clients from the riaa? or they turn them over easily?

[Bobohiotk]

I&#39;ll answer that question. Road Runner is owned by Time/Warner. Time Warner is a prominent client of RIAA. You connect the dots. Also, look at the list of subpoenas that have been issued by RIAA. Look at the userid&#39;s of some of the unfortunates that have been fingered. True, there are not as many from rr as there are from other ISP&#39;s. But, they do exist.

Sometime in the the past on this board, someone had put forth the hypothesis that rr didn&#39;t have to comply with requests from the RIAA because it was in their best interest to &#39;capture the market&#39; by providing the impression that rr was safe while other ISP&#39;s were vulnerable. And since Time-Warner was such a major player in the business, they essentially established themselves as immune from enquiry by the RIAA (the implication being that the RIAA and Time Warner deliberately set it up that way). Whether this is true or not is really inconsequential. The bottom line is that for &#036;5.95 monthly, you can have peace of mind. Is there anyone out there who wouldn&#39;t pay &#036;5.95/mo for peace of mind? If you can&#39;t afford it, you have no business even being involved in any of this.

JB has indicated that he uses a pre-paid credit card for Paypal. Recognize that to do this correctly, EVERY step and every act must be anonymous. The card should be purchased with cash, the online account should use a fictitious name, the initial setup on the computer should be done in such a way that one&#39;s identity is concealed, and when possible, accounts should be established via telephone (but not your home phone please&#33;). Why is this imortant? Because if something does go wrong, one doesn&#39;t want someone else to have the ability to trace everything back to you. If that were to happen then a subpoena could be on it&#39;s way to you.

[AnonXO]

There are no bandwidth limits or download/upload ratio. Just a customer to bandwidth allocation of 1.5Mbs. Each customer CAN exceede these limits. Most can not.

ADSL has limits of 256-280Kbs down / 128Kbs up. Just the physical limits of two copper wires. Cable is a little better because there is more bandwidth to work with.

Now to complicate things many ISP bandwidth manage customers by burst rates and caps limits. Both of these are tied to your usage and the usage of the collective pipe that the ISP uses to service your area. This makes things difficult at best to compare connection speed from one minute to the next. Unless you do your suring/p2p during of hours.

[james_bond_rulez]

mmm after a more in-depth reading of the recent posts i did NOT use a pre-paid credit card.

i paid the service in my name with my own credit card

so.... :unsure: am i screwed?

anonx i thought you said the pay accounts are not linked to my user account on the server...right..??? :unsure:

dont do this to me i got a weak heart :lol:

[james_bond_rulez]

woah i just had a da je vu&#33;&#33; it&#39;s like i thought of this question but forgot and now it resurfaces again :lol:

damn i lost it again..... <_<


so am i screwed? :lol:

oh yes it came back...how the heck am i to know such things as "pre-paid credits cards" ever existed? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[tracydani]

LOL, I didn&#39;t know either. Can you really get a credit card without giving out your personal info? (and I mean in a legal way)

If you can, I am gonna do this, but if not, I will still get the service thorough paypal. I still belive adding that extra step of protection is what is gonna save you. They can still get you, but unless you make yourself really wanted, they will most likely go the easier route.

Hell, even if you can pay annonymously, they can still get you if they really want to.

TD

[IWishAnon2609]

But, the only way I can see them getting to you is through AnonX (there may be other ways, but thats over my head), and if AnonX really don&#39;t keep ANY logs how could they get you. Any say, hypothetically they did keep logs (not saying you do AnonX, I believe you), then they would have logged your IP address. Your paypal account would probably make it alittle easier to get you, but your IP would also be enough, so if they log then I don&#39;t think it would make much difference, and if they don&#39;t log, yipee. That is unless you have one of those rare cool ISPs that will fight and do their best to refuse your information being given out... but then maybe paypal wouldn&#39;t divulge your info either??

[vivitron 15]

That is unless you have one of those rare cool ISPs that will fight and do their best to refuse your information being given out.
in which case you wouldnt need this proxy ;)

[IWishAnon2609]

unfortunately I think mine would give it out in a heartbeat.

[AnonXO]

James you are not screwed. Do worry. B) There is a seperate independent ( ;) )billing company from the proxy services that handles the accounts. AnonX has NO records of who you really are. In fact there are no records at all. That is the beauty of the system. We can not give out records that we don&#39;t have.

The idependent does not keep the records either just a PayPal subscription ID attached to a user name password. Nothing more.


The anonymous credit card is just for extra peace of mind. It is not necessary. I recomended to people who do not have credit cards, but are interested in the service

[james_bond_rulez]

:)

[ugc]

ok, I am sold.

How do you go about getting a "Pre paid Credit card"? Where?

I have a credit card now, but would prefer to use a pre paid one for safety.

Thanks in advance.

[AnonXO]

Search Net. You will have to find them in your ares. They are sold at onvience store of all places

Here is one that some of our customers have used and recommend to us.

http://www.privacash.com/about_us.html


I have never used this company, but what a great product.

[Bobohiotk]

I&#39;ve learned a little more about this since my last posting. Most pre-paid credit cards are Master Cards. For one reason or another, Master Cards are not as readily accepted as Visa cards. So, try to get a Visa Card. A lot of banks will issue pre-paid credit cards. They are often called &#39;gift credit cards&#39; and that is precisely the posture you should take when you go to buy one. Pay cash. If they ask for the name of the recipient of the card, make something up. It doesn&#39;t matter.

As for Pay Pal, I e-mailed them and discovered that they will open an account over the phone. So, once you have your credit card, you can open an account. Use a pay phone.

One more thing. You will need an e-mail address. If you can&#39;t come up with an anonymous e-mail address, just open one up through msn.com. This address is only to receive communications from the players involved.

The ONLY non-anonymous and tricky part to all of this is the setting up of the account on ANONX. They will be able to pick up your IP when you set up.........
unless you go the final step and set up your account on a lap top in a wireless venue like a coffee shop that has a server.

I can&#39;t think of anything else. If anyone out there can think of any additions to this or can show me the error of my ways, please do. I like to keep things tidy and no one else&#39;s business but my own.

[james_bond_rulez]

wow even James Bond can&#39;t track you now :lol:

well maybe with his kick-ass car but i dunno ;)

[tracydani]

Originally posted by Bobohiotk@9 December 2003 - 04:27

The ONLY non-anonymous and tricky part to all of this is the setting up of the account on ANONX. They will be able to pick up your IP when you set up.........
unless you go the final step and set up your account on a lap top in a wireless venue like a coffee shop that has a server.


This part doesn&#39;t really matter. Each time you log in your ip address is gonna be seen, so covering your tracks for the initial signup won&#39;t really help.

This is where you just have to trust that anonx does and will continue to do what they say. But hey, it&#39;s a lot better then nothing at all.

TD

[AnonXO]

Bobohiotk,

Great info about the bank cards.

tracydani is correct you have to trust AnonX everytime you log onto our Servers.

[Bobohiotk]

tracydanai,
Totally agree. As you said, it&#39;s a lot better than nothing at all.

[RealitY]

My issues...

IRC - Can&#39;t Upload.
EMule - Low ID, Not Suprised.
BT - Shadows Client Is Always In Yellow Status.
SoulSeek - 50/50 Lots Of Errors Trying to View And Download.
News Groups - Can&#39;t Do Anything Due To Lack Of Authentication, I Expected That.

As Mentioned I Am behind A Router.
While Testing With JBR, Also On A Router,
We Could Not Transfer Anything Between Each Other.

Have NO Icons In Tray.

Aside From That I Like The Service...

[tracydani]

Originally posted by REALITY@10 December 2003 - 14:34

BT - Shadows Client Is Always In Yellow Status.


Have NO Icons In Tray.


I was getting all yellows too. But sometime yesterday, one went to green and has been that way since.

I also have no icon in the task bar. Another thing, do you know what it is in the task manager? I would like to use that as a quick reference for checking if it is still on or not.

TD

[RealitY]

Originally posted by tracydani@10 December 2003 - 06:11
I also have no icon in the task bar. Another thing, do you know what it is in the task manager? I would like to use that as a quick reference for checking if it is still on or not.
It does not show in the Task Manager that I know since it is merely a connection. You coulld leave the AnonX.pbk open and keep an eye on that I suppose.

[james_bond_rulez]

actually u dont need the pbk file at all. all you need is the server address

simply create a vpn in network and dialup

simple as hell to do... <_<

then you have the option to "place icon on taskbar on connection" <_<

[AnonXO]

James is right . It is easy if you have ever created a VPN before. I am righting up some VPN howtos with screen shots for 98/ME/2000/XP. When you use a dialing directory Microsoft does not give the pbk a GUID therefore you do not get the little link computers in the task bar. If you create a new VPN you will get the little computers.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by REALITY@10 December 2003 - 04:34
My issues...

IRC - Can&#39;t Upload.
EMule - Low ID, Not Suprised.
BT - Shadows Client Is Always In Yellow Status.
SoulSeek - 50/50 Lots Of Errors Trying to View And Download.
News Groups - Can&#39;t Do Anything Due To Lack Of Authentication, I Expected That.
Ok well lets bring that up to date...

IRC - Still can&#39;t upload , this bothers me.
EMule - Who cares it still works and is generally slow anyway.
BT - Still yellow though who cares since I can downlaod at 100KB/s. Its clear I am losing sources and may be at 150KB/s on the same torrent, though a fair trade off.
SoulSeek - I still cannot connect to anyone who is behind a router as well, for now I just turn off AnonX when needed I guess.
News Groups - Again this is clear since I am using my ISP I cannot connect thorough AnonX.

As I have found all these appear to be related to being behind a router as AnonXO stated...

Your PC---NAT--Router===WWW===Router--NAT--JB PC

This could cause some problems, but can be corrected with some changes to the NAT.
Though as to what changes I am yet unclear. I have tried to apply DMZ, generally a very bad idea, just to see if it helps, and it does not.

Clearly most of the current problems, except for IRC, are connecting with others also behind routers

My PC--Router--AnonX===WWW===Router--Other PC
After looking at this I wonder if it can even be resolved...

[AnonXO]

Reality,

as discussed in the p.m. I will get back to asap on these problems. IRC should work regardless of router.

Does the router have a NAT? Do you have more than one computer connected behind the FW/router/nat?


this problem can be solved but i need some info

[RealitY]

Originally posted by AnonXO@11 December 2003 - 08:40
Reality,

as discussed in the p.m. I will get back to asap on these problems. IRC should work regardless of router.

Does the router have a NAT? Do you have more than one computer connected behind the FW/router/nat?


this problem can be solved but i need some info
The router is a D-Link 614+.

I have 2 computers connected via wireless cards.

Also don&#39;t forget I can download on IRC, just not upload. I have adjusted all the settings in IRC to allow upload and without Annox all is fine, somehow the extra layer has caused me to have no upload...

Thanks Again.

[AnonXO]

Preliminary report back.

Everything works fine with IRCs from the office. Which has a NAT, FW, and Router.

That comment doesn&#39;t help you much.


1. On the Firewall do you have ports 1723 and protocal 47 (GRE) open in both directions?

2. Can you upload/download on other netoworks?

[james_bond_rulez]

anonxo perhaps you can update ur website with a faq with which ports need opened forwarded in router/firewall for the major p2p programs so you can reduce tech support workload.

just an idea :lol:

Reality and I did tests on Soulseek, IRC, and bt and found we can&#39;t download/upload to each other at all if we are both on the proxy. At first I thought this is normal, since I can&#39;t download/upload to myself (we all have the same proxy ip). But then I simplified the question and thought to myself.... if computers in a lan can see other on a p2p program (same ip but different network address) then it should solve the program. But then we are both behind routers (same model)... ok i am officially confused now :lol:

maybe anonxo can answer this question :)

[AnonXO]

You are on the same WAN with ip addresses in the range 172.16.X.X This is a local IP address.

In many of the P2P apps there is a way to ignore local ips. You don&#39;t want that. You want to see local ips. That way you can see each other.

[james_bond_rulez]

wow Reality you can dl on bt at 150kB/s while on anonx? what client u use?

i used nova and shadows with same 1:1 ratio result.. :(

usually i upload at 30kB/s and download at 20kB/s-30kB/s

but then i only have 1 torrent now :lol:

and yeah i always have the yellow light. but then you can "force" it to be green :-"

@anonxo: thx, this clears a lot up ;)

[AnonXO]

Quick Recap Reality and James Bond. Are you still have problems with IRC?



Lab testing show everything to work. I may need some more info from you two about your setup so that we can duplicate the problem.

[james_bond_rulez]

Originally posted by AnonXO@11 December 2003 - 18:41
Preliminary report back.

Everything works fine with IRCs from the office. Which has a NAT, FW, and Router.

That comment doesn&#39;t help you much.


1. On the Firewall do you have ports 1723 and protocal 47 (GRE) open in both directions?

2. Can you upload/download on other netoworks?
so if i allow server/internet right to mirc on zonealarm wouldn&#39;t the traffic pass through?

i checked my za setting and there is such protocol as GRE 47 :blink: never heard of this protocol but I can configure it in my firewall.

my mirc setting is all default since i dont use it much so i am not familar with its setup.

also my router does not have any ports forwarded for mirc.

I guess that&#39;s why we can&#39;t see each other.

we are not properly set up...

For bittorrent I have allowed incoming TCP 6881-6890 (router) to my computer however i am still getting yellow light (firewalled status) in shadow&#39;s experiental client, also the download speed has yet to improve (30kB/s seems to be the max i get :( )

[RealitY]

Originally posted by AnonXO@11 December 2003 - 14:48
Quick Recap Reality and James Bond.&nbsp; Are you still have problems with IRC?
Tried all of the above referring to 47 and 1723 GRE and PPTP, even called tech support and made further adjusment, same problem, cannot upload on IRC, this ONLY happens once I log into the VPN. As a side note EMule only has a Low ID when logged into the VPN, when off it I get High ID right away. Its seems clear to me at this point this is an issue with the VPN server...

[AnonXO]

Reality,

LowID on eMule is a false status report. We have talked to eDonkey about this serveral tiems. The proof is that you can still download from a eMule/eDonkey server/client quickly no matter what the status. Go to the eDoneky site and read there tech support info. They discuss this problem with with NATs. Which you are using with the AnonX Servers. You will get High IDs from eDonkey on curtain servers if they have properly configured their firewall. The point is AnonX works with eDoneky.....


James ,

1. Not sure about the mirc setting in ZoneAlarm, but it sounds good try it. GRE and ort 1723 must be open in both directions.

2. just for testing purposes turn off ZoneAlarm and try the IRC.

My firewall was on my cisco router. I will disable it and load zone alarm on a labtop to play with the settings. Which version of ZA or you using?

[james_bond_rulez]

ok i&#39;ll give it a try ;)

I use za 5.5.530, always the latest version ;)

i am not worried about mirc at all since i am happy as long as i can download :lol:

about the bt speed I was able to reach 150kB/s without proxy, and with the same router/firewall setting and proxy on, i was barely able to get anything above 30kB/s... :(

any theories?

a movie about 700MB used to take me an hour and half now takes me 6-7 hours... :(

[RealitY]

I guess you missed my point...

With Annox OFF

1. IRC - Can upload and download
2. BT - Green light, which means I can access ALL sources.
3. EMule - High ID
4. SoulSeek - Can access and view files of ALL users

__________________________________________________

With Annox ON

1. IRC - CANNOT upload, can download (my main issue)
2. BT - Yellow light, indicating I CANNOT conect to all sources such as others behind a NAT/router. This could be what causes the speeds with Annox to be slower on BT since you have access to fewer sources. (as said a fair trade off)
3. Emule - Low ID (not that I care but it proves the same point, when using Emule if you have a router and do not set up port fowarding you WILL get a LOW ID, it appears as Anonx is acting as a NAT/router)
4. SoulSeek - Can access and view files from all users EXCEPT for those behind a NAT/router.

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My observations are very clear here since when using the following applications
WITHOUT AnonX and WITH my router I had similar problems

1. IRC - Could not download from others behind NAT/routers and COULD NOT upload (sound familiar). Problem was solved after I opened the needed ports.
2. BT - Light was always yellow (sound familiar) untill I opened the ports on my router.
3. EMule - Low ID (sound familiar again). Problem was fixed when I opened the ports needed.
4. SoulSeek - Could access and view files from all users except those behind a NAT/router (sound familiar yet again). Again problem was solved after I opened the appropriate ports.

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Concusion

It appears as if AnonX is acting as a NAT/router to ALL of these applications somehow. The problem is I do NOT know how to fix this as I would with my router by fowarding ports. Again I have made sure that the needed VPN ports are open, 47 and 1723 and have even contacted technical support at D-Link. I have even tried enabling DMZ (which should open everthing exposing the computer as if the router is NOT even there) on my router which also did NOT solve ANY of the above problems.

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As I stated once I look at the at the diagram I am NOT even sure if this can be resolved

My PC--Router--AnonX===WWW===Router--Other PC
^^^^ This is where the issue appears ^^^^

Perhaps you can PM me with a IRC channel to run some test on since that is a main issue as all the others can be gone around for the most part.

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More Info

OS - Win2KPro
Router - D-Link, Model DI-614+ (dual antenna)

[junkyardking]

Have you got the latest firmware for your router?

[james_bond_rulez]

wow Reality, very nicely laid out

same concerns for me :lol:

good job Reality ;)

[RealitY]

Originally posted by junkyardking@11 December 2003 - 23:51
Have you got the latest firmware for your router?
Do you think a fool of me...
:P :P

Yes of course I do.

[asmithz]

Just got anonx, i got to say this kicks ass. :)

[RealitY]

Originally posted by Agent Smith@12 December 2003 - 01:01
Just got anonx, i got to say this kicks ass. :)
Just a couple of bugs we&#39;re trying to resolve, though I am impressed...

[AnonXO]

Reality,

Yes, AnonX is has NAT qualities. You are virtually connected to a WAN.


Issues 1- 4 are ARP issues. There are problems with NAT---NAT ARPs. I need to change some code to fix this. I will get back to you withan update. The easy solution would be to put a whole in the NAT, but this would leave you vunerable. NOT A SOLUTION. :lol:



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1. IRC - CANNOT upload, can download (my main issue).

2. BT - Yellow light, indicating I CANNOT conect to all sources such as others behind a NAT/router. This could be what causes the speeds with Annox to be slower on BT since you have access to fewer sources. (as said a fair trade off)

3. Emule - Low ID (not that I care but it proves the same point, when using Emule if you have a router and do not set up port fowarding you WILL get a LOW ID, it appears as Anonx is acting as a NAT/router)

4. SoulSeek - Can access and view files from all users EXCEPT for those behind a NAT/router.

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[james_bond_rulez]

a&#39;right keep us updated ;)

[AnonXO]

Okay,

James and Reality I made the first phase of changes. Which was to use fast ip packet forwarding on all traffic. This should increase your speed. Plus it handles the 1024 to 65000 ports differently than before. It might solve the problem, but I think the ultimate solution comes in phase 2.

The second phase I will use some ARP MASQs to pass curtain network traffic. This will require tweaking. I will get back to you when I am done.


Cheers,

[james_bond_rulez]

good work anonxo

the news of anonx service has spread in the p2p world, you guys should soon be VERY busy with customer support :lol:

;)

looking forward to get the most out of anonx ;)

[james_bond_rulez]

Reality is my setting ok?

what&#39;s ur setting that made ur bt fast?

this is what i have... :(

http://members.lycos.co.uk/xcbvxcvbx/131203-btstill.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/xcbvxcvbx/131203-routerz.jpg

:huh:

[AnonXO]

James,


Cable Modem
I have a wireless D-Link Router/NAT at Home
ZoneAlarm -- Set to Medium with port 1723 and Portocal 47 Open


I download the free version of eDonkey2000 to my laptop and connected to many 13 of 20 servers while connected to AnonX

I used Kaza Lite/Shareaza to connect to eDonkey2000 servers with similar results while connecting to AnonX.

But there are still some eDonkey servers that I can connect to without AnonX, but cannot connect to with AnonX.

Still working on it.


I also did some packet ananlysis on my connection and saw that the UDP packets that are sent by eDonkey are quite large and the AnonX server that I am connecting to ignores some of them... This is a VPN limitation that can be changed. I will make the changes and test some more.


Good news about the spreading news of AnonX.

Thanks for all of your testing and preformance tuning.

Try connecting to the eDoneky server 195.245.244.243

[AnonXO]

I am getting HighID on eDonkey with Shareaza and Kazaa Lite, now


What are you getting?

[james_bond_rulez]

ok connecting to the emule server i am getting low id :(

also on bt i get firewalled status (yellow light), also the speed is still taking a beating :(

http://members.lycos.co.uk/xcbvxcvbx/mulebt.jpg

also this is my za setting

http://members.lycos.co.uk/xcbvxcvbx/zasettingpic.jpg

am i configured right?

EDIT: i made sure i have correct ports forwarded for emule and bt

this is the manu.&#39;s guide for config bt: http://support.dlink.com/faq/view.asp?prod_id=1347

[AnonXO]

I am getting more HIGH ID with eDonkey, but I am still getting a larger number of LowIDs. The problem is not 100% solved, yet.


Okay, my BT is integrated into Shareza with differnent options. Let me download BT and play with its setting directly and report back.


I will reset the MASQ Forwarding stuff on all the server&#39;s this weekend. This will help with port between 1024 and 32565

[AnonXO]

While logged into AnonX with eDonkey2000 I get the following response 100% of the time, if I do not get the server is full.


Go to a server and try to connect
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Connecting to 38.119.96.15 ....
Placed on connection Queue.
WARNING : Your 4661 port is not reachable. Please review your network config.
server version 16.44 (lugdunum)
Our greetings to Eric (http://lugdunum2k.free.fr/kiten.html) for his fantastic job&#33;&#33;
###########################################
####### Bienvenidos al Servidor del SEDG ########
######## SPANISH ELITEDIVX GROUP ##########
########## WWW.ELITEDIVX.COM ###########
############################## 150.000 users #
El Mejor Cine, Peliculas, Anime, Musica, Juegos, ...
Foros de Elite en : http://www.elitedivx.com/foro/
Tienda para el Divx: http://tienda.elitedivx.com

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I see the warning message and do not like it. So I try to connect to that sever again and get the following resonse

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Already connected to that server.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Search are quick with eDonkey but my download speeds are between 7KB/s and 60KB/s (56Kbs and 480Kbs) and this is with a cable modem.

Without AnonX I connect to the servers without the warning message, but I my transfer rate is less? Don&#39;t know why? I will admit my transer rate should be much higher in both case. With Shareaza I usuall am pushing 1.4Mbs total download.

The warning message is not the same as low id, but is an indicator that something is not 100%.

[james_bond_rulez]

:huh:

anonxo i appreciate ur work testing the servers but i dont think that&#39;s a very good way of measure ur network&#39;s performance.

with Donkey/emule network ur speed is generally dependent on how many sources you get, the more the faster.

you mentioned with anonx on you can get up to 60kB/s, that&#39;s pretty fast even for a cable, however you might get a low id status (means ur behind a firewall/proxy). I&#39;ve logged into the server u mentioned with anonx and i still get low ids (every server i&#39;ve logged in give me low id status). even with correct firewall configuration.

I would suggest a network with a more stable sources like bittorrent with somewhat stable speed and connectivity, would be more ideal for testing.

just grab a popular torrent and see how you can tweak the system to make it download faster. I can upload fine on bt but download is a biatch (no offense intended :lol: )

[RealitY]

I am gone for the day and you guys are like busy bees...

I am glad to see your on the right track now AnonXO :D

1. IRC - Still cannot upload, though I am clueless as to what is causing this. :huh:

2. EMule - I really dont give a shit about High ID and I don&#39;t think it matters that much since you can still download and upload although if I am not mistaken a Low ID means that you may not be able to connect to other Low ID users which means less sources and slower speeds due to fewer sources.

3. BT - Same issue, if your status is yellow then you can&#39;t connect to or see others who are in a similar status, thus fewer sources thus creating slower speeds.

4. SoulSeek - Slightly different since this is a one to one client, that means anyone else behind a router is just simply inaccessable.

As for Zone Alarm, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THESE ISSUES, I know this for a fact since I turned it off. :lol:


IMPORTANT

I left 3 programs running last night, IRC, SoulSeek and EMule, not much going on really, just testing. I wake up and AnonX has dropped the connection (it was set to redial every 1 second for 100 times). Well guess what :unsure: , IRC and EMule are now showing my WAN IP. There MUST be implementation of an option that if it cannot reconnect that it LOCKS all internet traffic, perhaps even trigger such a setting in a fw or does it itself. This is NOT a very comforting situation. :huh:

[james_bond_rulez]

first of all it&#39;s NOT a program. and anonx you really should change that term :lol:

and also reality dont set it to be 100 times, i set mine 9,999,999 times ;) if anonx can&#39;t connect to the server, there will be NO internet traffic. I&#39;ve done it, it works

as long as anonx is redialing there is no traffic. try it with ur web browser, unplung ur cable with anonx on, it will drop connection, redail, try using the browser now, you&#39;ll note it wont load any webpage. ;)

[RealitY]

Originally posted by james_bond_rulez@13 December 2003 - 01:17
first of all it&#39;s NOT a program. and anonx you really should change that term&nbsp; :lol:

and also reality dont set it to be 100 times, i set mine 9,999,999 times&nbsp; ;)&nbsp; if anonx can&#39;t connect to the server, there will be NO internet traffic. I&#39;ve done it, it works
Odd I edited my post after looking at it relizing the exact same thing, though perhaps some type of software could be coupled with it to fix this. I have however set my properties to 999,999,999 now to see waht happens, though this should be effective.

[james_bond_rulez]

Reality i&#39;ll ask you this again. How fast is ur bt running at wit anonx on?

mine: 30kB/s up 30kB/s down, best i can get :/

http://members.lycos.co.uk/xcbvxcvbx/4bts.jpg
:(

za setting: GRE 47 allowed, some communication between anonx server and my computer although i have no idea what they are talking about :lol:

http://members.lycos.co.uk/xcbvxcvbx/za%20allowed.jpg

[RealitY]

Try setting BT to slow cable and then seed longer to make it up. BT is only as fast as the sources you connect to, when yellow you cannot conect to certain sources, such as others behind a router taht have not opened their ports. I can dl at 100KB/s on a good torrent with AnonX even while in yellow status, just means I am getting nice sources...

[james_bond_rulez]

and how fast were u uploading when u download at 100kB/s? :blink:

i find if i limit my upload (using netlimiter) to 15kB/s, my downloads slow to about 15-20kB/s

i am starting to think this is related to bt network with their "proportional" upload/download rates... <_<

[RealitY]

Originally posted by REALITY@13 December 2003 - 03:23
Try setting BT to slow cable and then seed longer to make it up.
Sheesh...
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[AnonXO]

I am going away from eDokey for a while and will focus my attention on BT and the yellow light. Question: Does BT have Upload/Download Ratio = 1? If so that is stupid. Many people have ADSL lines where they would get 768Kbs download/128Kbs upload. Is there away around the ratio?


--Thanks AnonX

[james_bond_rulez]

anonxo to answer ur question, i have to say no, bt DOES NOT have 1:1 download/upload ratio, however download is "proportional" to upload, meaning the more you upload the faster ur download.

eg: 15kB/s upload earns u 60kB/s download
30kB/s upload earns u 120kB/s download

however with anonx on I find my speed is often 25-30kB/s up and 30kB-60kB down. Like reality said it&#39;s a fair trade off between privacy and speed but if there is anyway to improve the speed it&#39;s greatly appreciated. ;)

[tracydani]

I haven&#39;t had time time to post much on this, but I am having a big speed problem with bt also.

I usually dl at between 10-80 kb. Normally around 45kb.

With anonx I am getting an average of 5kb :blink: Sometimes more often between 0-5. I seem to upload fine though. I also have the yellow light, but am not worried about some lost sources as long as I can get some of my speed back.

I am gonna try to set ZA like mentioned above but need to figure out how as I am new to it. I have bt set to act as server? And have all traffic for it approved.

I&#39;ll get back with any changes.

TD

[muchspl2]

I emailed and pm&#39;ed you still no trail for me :/

[james_bond_rulez]

well today IS saturday and anonxo is on break...

we&#39;ll hear from him on monday :lol:

[AnonXO]

muchspl2 never got your PM. I just sent you a PM


James, I never sleep.


There has to be away to increase the speed of BT.

[james_bond_rulez]

Originally posted by AnonXO@14 December 2003 - 06:34
James, I never sleep.
we all do :blink:

:lol:

[RealitY]

AnonXO if you want to improve the speeds on BT just...
MAKE THAT LIGHT TURN GREEN.

The reason BT gives a yellow light is because you are hidden somehow.
NAT/router and so forth, AnonX is creating THE SAME EFFECT.
If you can solve this issue, all others will follow.

Also once again Zone Alarm HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. The GRE and PPTP ports that were requested to be opened were relating to hardware, not software, thus if you have a router.


As I stated, once I look at the at the diagram I am NOT even sure if this can be resolved

My PC--Router--AnonX===WWW===Router--Other PC

^^^^ This is where the issue appears ^^^^

[tracydani]

REALITY, the green light isn&#39;t neccessarilt true.

I know what you are saying, but I had the green light with 1 torrent and was still uploading 2 to 1. I don&#39;t have a problem with sharing but with this kind of speed and dl&#39;ing at average of 5-10 a movie comes in mighty slow :blink:

The good thing is that I can have a couple going at the same time without worrying about slowing one or the other :lol:

I agree with the ZA bit. I have shut mine off also with no help on the speed issue.

Anyway, thanks anonxo for all the help.

TD

[RealitY]

What I am saying

IRC can&#39;t upload, BT is yellow, EMule Low ID, SoulSeek can&#39;t connect to other routers. These are all the same symptons with different applications. These problems are simtimatic of having a router without having opened needed ports, thus AnonX is acting as a NAT/router somehow. Theses issues possibly become more severe to those also having a router, I intend on bypassing my router tomorrow as a a test to see what results I get. Hopefully AnonXO with his technical support is able to find a way to resolve this...

[RealitY]

Looks like this issue has been ditched...

[AnonXO]

Oh reality, I go shopping for a few days and the problem is ditched?



I just pm james bond on this. The solution is somewhat involved, but does exist. I have been capturing packets from my home pc the last few days. Upon inspection, I noticed that both the anonx ip address and the private 172 address where sent in the ip header. This is standard VPN stuff needed for routing pruposes. I solved the NAT to NAT problem long ago by using a reverse DNS MAC ARP table. That way I did not care about your local ip and you could be behind a firewall. Now, the problem is I never stripped this data (or spoofed it to my anonx ip).

Here the bottome line eDonkey and other servers look at the damn local ip address instead of the realworld for whatever reason. My only guess is because they want your router/NAT to port forward the traffic to gain direct acces to you. This way they know who you are. Dumb on their part. Anyways it is easy enough to foll them by placing setting the ip address to the anonx address in both fields.


This will take some programming time on my part.

[james_bond_rulez]

Originally posted by REALITY@16 December 2003 - 18:48
Looks like this issue has been ditched...
have some patience, sheesh <_<

silly californians.... lolol :lol:

Anonxo good work :P

[RealitY]

Originally posted by AnonXO@17 December 2003 - 12:14
Oh reality, I go shopping for a few days and the problem is ditched?
My deepest appoligies thy Mystro...
Just feeling alone and ignored
As well as misunderstood
As usual
:P :P

Keep us informed.

Thanks Again.

[RealitY]

Also I found a link to test your SoulSeek connection at
http://klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=87630

If you click the link it checks your connection
http://testic.demon.co.uk/slsktest/

When I have AnnoX off it shows port 2234 being open
Though when AnonX is on it shows it being closed

Your public IP address is 38.112.161.130
Your port 2234 appears to be closed.
According to the Soulseek server status page the server is up.

Hope this helps...

EDIT: I also got on a torrent and checked in advanced and saw 4 users on the torrent. However when I went to the BNBT File Info there was 8 others besides myself which means I could only access half of the users on that paticular torrent since in theory while on AnonX my ports appear as being closed. I would guess that about half of all internet users have some sort of non direct connection such as NAT/routers these days...

[AnonXO]

Thanks for the info. I will keep working on the problem

[AnonXO]

There is something more to the problem.


I change the ip header to reflect only the realworld AnonX IPs. This works for eDonkey, but not the IRC.


If have made email contact with the IRC people about the problem to learn more about how IRC works, but at this rate the problem may take a month to solve.


Sorry Guys, the current state of AnonX is as good as it gets for a little while longer.

[james_bond_rulez]

it&#39;s ok anonxo, just keep at it

we are patient ;)

the download speed on irc is still kickass ;)

[Bobohiotk]

Anonxo, I eagerly wait for a resolution to this.

Regarding the gift and pre-paid credit cards that I mentioned earlier in this thread: I&#39;ve discovered why so many banks have changed their policy about requiring the purchaser to provide ID. It seems that this is now a requirment in the US following the passing of the Patriot Act. So, for anyone who is planning on getting either a gift or pre-paid credit card, you will have to show ID UNLESS you have someone buy it for you. Afterall, it&#39;s not illegal to receive a gift from someone, even if it was &#39;intended&#39; for another named individual that was identified as the recipient of the gift card at the time of purchase.

[james_bond_rulez]

Originally posted by Bobohiotk@22 December 2003 - 15:34
Anonxo, I eagerly wait for a resolution to this.

Regarding the gift and pre-paid credit cards that I mentioned earlier in this thread: I&#39;ve discovered why so many banks have changed their policy about requiring the purchaser to provide ID. It seems that this is now a requirment in the US following the passing of the Patriot Act. So, for anyone who is planning on getting either a gift or pre-paid credit card, you will have to show ID UNLESS you have someone buy it for you. Afterall, it&#39;s not illegal to receive a gift from someone, even if it was &#39;intended&#39; for another named individual that was identified as the recipient of the gift card at the time of purchase.
yeah so? just pay some dude 5 bucks to get it for u, easy

[Bobohiotk]

That&#39;s all there is to it.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by AnonXO@22 December 2003 - 12:03
There is something more to the problem.


I change the ip header to reflect only the realworld AnonX IPs. This works for eDonkey, but not the IRC.


If have made email contact with the IRC people about the problem to learn more about how IRC works, but at this rate the problem may take a month to solve.


Sorry Guys, the current state of AnonX is as good as it gets for a little while longer.
Glad to hear its coming along, however I am still getting LOW ID on EMule.
It appears not to be able to identify the IP:Port I am at with AnonX on...
http://server5.uploadit.org/files2/231203-ScreenHunter_001.jpg

I am also curious if there is any progress for BT (yellow status).
Curious if anything for the SoulSeek (port showing closed) situation as well.

As for IRC let us know I am sure this will be a little more complicated.

Again Keeps Us Posted
Thanks.

[james_bond_rulez]

anonxo i&#39;ve checked ur website on the 20th and today again and i didn&#39;t find an article on how to get anonx to work on 98 machines

maybe you can update the website when ur free or post the instructions here in the forum or pm me

thx ;)

[RealitY]

Also, when AnonX disconnects and is in the process of redialing I CAN surf the web and my IP address IS exposed on all applications, I have tested this while AnonX was in the process of redialing.

I think it was mentioned that Zone Alarm could be used to only allow connection through AnonX, if someone could explain how I would appreciate it...

[tracydani]

REALITY I think the bit about ZA was just telling us we may need to lower the security levels while connecting to anonx. After connection we could then raise them back to where we want them.

I know at first I couldn&#39;t connect to anonx until I lowered mine. Now it&#39;s not a problem.

But I am still experiencing a great reduction in dl speed. Most of the time I can only dl slower then I ul. Wouldn&#39;t be so bad if my ul was faster then 16-18k but as it is, my average dl speed is a combined of 12 or less. Some torrents I get lucky and get full speed for a bit but not like I used to. The good thing is that I generaly do not need to keep the torrent open after I finish. I usually have already ul&#39;d more then the filesize by the time I am done :lol:

To be honest though, for the time being I don&#39;t mind the reduction, I just need to keep a couple of files going when I am dl&#39;ing so I can get some speed. But at least slow speed and all, I am hidden.

Eagerly awaiting a solution to the speed issue ;)

TD

["The Avatar Man"]

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