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FreeCandy
03-17-2021, 05:33 AM
I noticed that I rarely use more then 10% of that capacity even tho I am seeding a lot of popular torrents.
And I have feeling that seedboxe's located in Netherland/Germany took a lot of bandwidth.
Is that even possible? Do seedboxes have priority over home speed connections due to usually better ping or whatsoever?

Now my ratio in HDBits droped bellow 1, and I am concerned about "fair share" rule on my 11 yrs old account there.

L3tti
03-18-2021, 04:46 AM
Just seed forever and you’ll do well

Download free leech stuff and upload missing resolutions

IdolEyes787
03-18-2021, 12:06 PM
I noticed that I rarely use more then 10% of that capacity even tho I am seeding a lot of popular torrents.
And I have feeling that seedboxe's located in Netherland/Germany took a lot of bandwidth.
Is that even possible? Do seedboxes have priority over home speed connections due to usually better ping or whatsoever?

Now my ratio in HDBits droped bellow 1, and I am concerned about "fair share" rule on my 11 yrs old account there. Torrent clients prioritize speed so whatever source in a swarm is the fastest, it's going to draw from that. Anon probably knows a lot about this and I may be misstating but I don't think there is anything that you can do about it except wait for the seedboxes to move on to the next latest thing.

FreeCandy
03-19-2021, 12:26 AM
I noticed that I rarely use more then 10% of that capacity even tho I am seeding a lot of popular torrents.
And I have feeling that seedboxe's located in Netherland/Germany took a lot of bandwidth.
Is that even possible? Do seedboxes have priority over home speed connections due to usually better ping or whatsoever?

Now my ratio in HDBits droped bellow 1, and I am concerned about "fair share" rule on my 11 yrs old account there. Torrent clients prioritize speed so whatever source in a swarm is the fastest, it's going to draw from that. Anon probably knows a lot about this and I may be misstating but I don't think there is anything that you can do about it except wait for the seedboxes to move on to the next latest thing.

Well if that is true, then its very sad actually to have 90% of resources free but can't use them because seedboxes have priority...

anon
03-20-2021, 08:22 AM
Torrent clients prioritize speed so whatever source in a swarm is the fastest, it's going to draw from that.

Not exactly. BitTorrent does have a mechanism to reward higher amounts of upload - which a faster upload speed would obviously correlate to - with higher amounts of download, but this only applies on connections between leechers, rarely seen on private trackers where overseeding is the norm. And some clients (notably Deluge) are also more aggressive with their connection handling, which can lead to higher speeds on both directions. However, the biggest advantage comes not from the protocol itself, but at the networking level, and from the simple fact a gigabit seedbox is a gigabit seedbox and will easily max out the download of anyone else who connects to it. In other words, it's the same "priority" a street gives to someone driving a last-gen Ferrari vs. a skateboard :happy:

Agree completely with the rest, however. If you're dealing with seedbox douchebaggery, the only solutions are either getting a box yourself, there becoming part of the problem, or permaseeding and playing a long-term game... well, uploading torrents and filling requests may also help, depending on the tracker. Or you could switch to one that's easier to seed on; my client stats say I have uploaded 18.5 TB, and a large chunk from that comes from when my upload speed was <1% of the one in the thread title.

By the way, FreeCandy, are you sure about the countries you mentioned? Because after the United States, Germany has to be the second-worst country in existence to host anything related to filesharing, let alone a seedbox :ermm:

IdolEyes787
03-20-2021, 11:06 AM
Weeds, thy name is anon.

FreeCandy
03-21-2021, 09:12 PM
Torrent clients prioritize speed so whatever source in a swarm is the fastest, it's going to draw from that.

Not exactly. BitTorrent does have a mechanism to reward higher amounts of upload - which a faster upload speed would obviously correlate to - with higher amounts of download, but this only applies on connections between leechers, rarely seen on private trackers where overseeding is the norm. And some clients (notably Deluge) are also more aggressive with their connection handling, which can lead to higher speeds on both directions. However, the biggest advantage comes not from the protocol itself, but at the networking level, and from the simple fact a gigabit seedbox is a gigabit seedbox and will easily max out the download of anyone else who connects to it. In other words, it's the same "priority" a street gives to someone driving a last-gen Ferrari vs. a skateboard :happy:

Agree completely with the rest, however. If you're dealing with seedbox douchebaggery, the only solutions are either getting a box yourself, there becoming part of the problem, or permaseeding and playing a long-term game... well, uploading torrents and filling requests may also help, depending on the tracker. Or you could switch to one that's easier to seed on; my client stats say I have uploaded 18.5 TB, and a large chunk from that comes from when my upload speed was <1% of the one in the thread title.

By the way, FreeCandy, are you sure about the countries you mentioned? Because after the United States, Germany has to be the second-worst country in existence to host anything related to filesharing, let alone a seedbox :ermm:

I am not sure about Germany, it was more of an example that true fact...

anon
03-22-2021, 06:06 PM
Weeds, thy name is anon.

You never know, it might have counted as 10 minutes of community service.

ripcord
07-05-2021, 05:39 PM
My upload speed is a lot more pathetic than yours and I survive pretty well. All that matters is that you seed stuff for as long as possible. I've ended up seeding some stuff that's got barely other seeders and when they get snatched I see a good boost in ratio. Long term seeding will always show good results.

anon
07-06-2021, 04:09 AM
I am not sure about Germany, it was more of an example that true fact...

Well, apparently Hetzner has servers on Germany and Finland, and a lot of people choose the former for their seedboxes :emo:


All that matters is that you seed stuff for as long as possible. I've ended up seeding some stuff that's got barely other seeders and when they get snatched I see a good boost in ratio. Long term seeding will always show good results.

Indeed, the trick is doing this long after everyone else has forgotten them.

Time Elapsed: 2y 5w
Downloaded: 8.00 GB
Download Speed: 0.0 kB/s (avg. 61.5 kB/s)
Down Limit: ∞
Status: [F] Seeding
Remaining: ∞
Uploaded: 906 GB
Upload Speed: 0.0 kB/s (avg. 14.3 kB/s)
Up Limit: ∞
Wasted: 1.21 MB (0 hashfails)
Seeds: 0 of 1 connected (0 in swarm)
Peers: 0 of 0 connected (0 in swarm)
Share Ratio: 113.197

ripcord
07-06-2021, 06:41 AM
All that matters is that you seed stuff for as long as possible. I've ended up seeding some stuff that's got barely other seeders and when they get snatched I see a good boost in ratio. Long term seeding will always show good results.

Indeed, the trick is doing this long after everyone else has forgotten them.

Exactly. I'm seeding stuff on a tracker where I'm the sole seder. Won't let that stuff die. Plus someone will eventually come around and it will be good to know that I kept sharing something and it got passed on further.

ripcord
07-06-2021, 04:06 PM
All that matters is that you seed stuff for as long as possible. I've ended up seeding some stuff that's got barely other seeders and when they get snatched I see a good boost in ratio. Long term seeding will always show good results.

Indeed, the trick is doing this long after everyone else has forgotten them.

Time Elapsed: 2y 5w
Downloaded: 8.00 GB
Download Speed: 0.0 kB/s (avg. 61.5 kB/s)
Down Limit: ∞
Status: [F] Seeding
Remaining: ∞
Uploaded: 906 GB
Upload Speed: 0.0 kB/s (avg. 14.3 kB/s)
Up Limit: ∞
Wasted: 1.21 MB (0 hashfails)
Seeds: 0 of 1 connected (0 in swarm)
Peers: 0 of 0 connected (0 in swarm)
Share Ratio: 113.197

Showoff <_<

JK :whistling

But I completely agree that the ones that are not seeded well are the ones that will reap long term benefits. Someone will always what what's available and has atleast 1 seed. That's what you will luck out.

anon
07-08-2021, 09:28 AM
Showoff <_<

JK :whistling

If anything, I'm saddened that after uploading 113 copies' worth of data to other people, none of them stuck around to seed afterwards. Public torrents are not a reliable backup system :emo:

ripcord
07-08-2021, 12:58 PM
Showoff <_<

JK :whistling

If anything, I'm saddened that after uploading 113 copies' worth of data to other people, none of them stuck around to seed afterwards. Public torrents are not a reliable backup system :emo:

Too many times I've found stuff on public trackers that was never well seeded or was dead. It's a real pity that's why I don't rely on them anymore. People have the bad habbit of taking and then unseeding the torrents. Frankly how so much of the content survives on public trackers is a mystery to me.

Rerecros
03-07-2023, 09:47 AM
Depends how much you DL but if you seed all the time and don't download some absurd amount you should be ok.

anon
03-08-2023, 10:50 PM
And don't forget: be connectable! That matters more than speeds, actually.