How Is This Possible?

[abu_has_the_power]

i was at microcenter on black friday, and they had a water cooled clear mid tower set up with p4 3.0 (not oced) with a radeon 9800 (non pro). i ran the 3dmark03 they had installed, and it got 2089. i just ran 3dmark03 on my rig, and i got 2583. wtf? how can a 9600 not oced beat a 9800?

btw, my rig is in my sig

and all the settings were the same on both pcs. no aliasing or anything. and double framrate thingy. still, i somehow beat a 9800. wow

[Kunal]

they had lots of otherthings running? :unsure:

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by Kunal@6 December 2003 - 17:56
they had lots of otherthings running? :unsure:
they had nothing running

ok, when i first when there, they had the gargoyle clock thing running, but i turned it off to do the benchmark

[Kunal]

crap ram?

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by Kunal@6 December 2003 - 17:58
crap ram?
no ram is crappier than my infineon. it's the crappiest ram u can buy

[Kunal]

you ran the test wrong? well it is abu after all j/k (sorry thats the best i can come up with now! :lol: )

they could have had less or slower ram then you

[john_malkie2010]

3dmark03 is more a test of graphics card performance and the ram has very little to do with it the score compared to 3dmark2001.....it could be possible that the settings for the card were at full with aa and af at max....this would decrese the score...scores ppl usually state for this benchmark are taken for 3d03 with aa and af switched off

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by john_malkie2010@6 December 2003 - 18:09
3dmark03 is more a test of graphics card performance and the ram has very little to do with it the score compared to 3dmark2001.....it could be possible that the settings for the card were at full with aa and af at max....this would decrese the score...scores ppl usually state for this benchmark are taken for 3d03 with aa and af switched off
i said up there that aa was turned off and it was same settings as mine. i checked the settings before i ran the bench on the 9800 comp

[john_malkie2010]

did u check in the ati control panel cos that is where u will find the settings which force aa and af....even if u disable aa in 3dmark, if it is enabled in the ati control panel then 3dmark will use it and ur score will suffer

[TheFilePirater]

better mobo, better hdd? just thinking of things u could have...restart lately?

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by TheFilePirater@6 December 2003 - 18:20
better mobo, better hdd? just thinking of things u could have...restart lately?
i have a powercolor. certainly microcenter would have something better than powercolor to display

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by TheFilePirater@6 December 2003 - 18:20
better mobo, better hdd? just thinking of things u could have...restart lately?
hd has nothing to do with graphx performance

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@6 December 2003 - 22:26
hd has nothing to do with graphx performance
not true :)

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+6 December 2003 - 18:27--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob &#064; 6 December 2003 - 18:27)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@6 December 2003 - 22:26
hd has nothing to do with graphx performance
not true :) [/b][/quote]
ok. how does a harddrive haven anything to do with framerates?

besides, my hd isn&#39;t the best. it&#39;s a maxtor 120 gb. i&#39;m pretty sure they had similar

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@6 December 2003 - 22:28
ok. how does a harddrive haven anything to do with framerates?
well, when you&#39;re running the game (benchmark), the data to be rendered by the graphics card has to get there somehow
it gets there from the hard drive
thus the graphics performance is dependent on the hard drive :)

edit: clarification

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+6 December 2003 - 18:31--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 6 December 2003 - 18:31)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@6 December 2003 - 22:28
ok. how does a harddrive haven anything to do with framerates?
well, when you&#39;re running the game (benchmark), the data to be rendered by the graphics card has to get there somehow
it gets there from the hard drive
thus the graphics performance is dependent on the hard drive :)

edit: clarification [/b][/quote]
ok. good point. well, how much better is a maxtor 120 gb compared to their "top o line" display pc? certainly their hd is at least 7200 rpm. it&#39;s hard to find any hds lower than 7200 rpm nowadays

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@6 December 2003 - 22:33
ok. good point. well, how much better is a maxtor 120 gb compared to their "top o line" display pc? certainly their hd is at least 7200 rpm. it&#39;s hard to find any hds lower than 7200 rpm nowadays
it&#39;s impossible to say with any real accuracy whether their hdd is faster or better than yours without the specs, however, if it&#39;s their top of the line drive, it should be pretty quick (either 8MB cache IDE or SCSI)

[john_malkie2010]

or maybe some raptors in a raid

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by john_malkie2010@6 December 2003 - 22:50
or maybe some raptors in a raid
i suppose we can all dream :lol:

[bigdawgfoxx]

what is that AA stuff and all that?

[john_malkie2010]

if u want to c how well ur hd performs abu run the hd benchmark(might be called filesystem or sumthin..cant remember) in sandra and then compare it 2 some of the other specs that are there

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@6 December 2003 - 22:56
what is that AA stuff and all that?
FSAA means "full screen anti-aliasing" and basically it is an attempt to remove "jaggies" (jagged edges in games)

have a look on google for more info :)

[john_malkie2010]

AA = Anti-Aliasing
AF = Anisotropic Filtering

basically smmothes the edges of the bitmaps u c so they look less blocky

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+6 December 2003 - 22:31--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 6 December 2003 - 22:31)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@6 December 2003 - 22:28
ok. how does a harddrive haven anything to do with framerates?
well, when you&#39;re running the game (benchmark), the data to be rendered by the graphics card has to get there somehow
it gets there from the hard drive
thus the graphics performance is dependent on the hard drive :)

edit: clarification [/b][/quote]
True; also, your pagefile is on the hard disc and as such hard disc speed affects the performance of the computer as a whole.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by john_malkie2010@6 December 2003 - 23:59
AA = Anti-Aliasing
AF = Anisotropic Filtering

basically smmothes the edges of the bitmaps u c so they look less blocky
so AA and AF are the same thing basicly? and I will search on google to see if i can find some images

[bigdawgfoxx]

Comparing with it ON and OFF (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1157434,00.asp) Dang having it on makes it look a LOT better&#33; check out those 2 pictures from that link.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@6 December 2003 - 23:17
Comparing with it ON and OFF (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1157434,00.asp) Dang having it on makes it look a LOT better&#33; check out those 2 pictures from that link.
yeah, the differences can be high, however, aa and af may cause a huge reduction in performance, depending on the level applied and the system spec :)

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@6 December 2003 - 19:17
Comparing with it ON and OFF (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1157434,00.asp) Dang having it on makes it look a LOT better&#33; check out those 2 pictures from that link.
yea. i c that too. the bricks near the door are more detailed and and the no af is all blurry. but when i have af set up, kotor and many other games looks the same

[john_malkie2010]

switch aa on as well....just slide the bar in the ati control panel up to high quality and c if that does anythin

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by john_malkie2010@6 December 2003 - 19:24
switch aa on as well....just slide the bar in the ati control panel up to high quality and c if that does anythin
well, i know in games it&#39;s not that much different. in 3dmark, i never tried. i&#39;ll do that now

[john_malkie2010]

in 3dmark03 if i slide the bar onto high performance i score bout 4000 @ stock speed compared to 5600 on balanced

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by john_malkie2010@6 December 2003 - 19:32
in 3dmark03 if i slide the bar onto high performance i score bout 4000 @ stock speed compared to 5600 on balanced
wat&#39;s ur card?

[john_malkie2010]

a 9800pro

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by john_malkie2010@6 December 2003 - 19:36
a 9800pro
lol. ok. 5600 makes more sense. u should oc it. didn&#39;t someone here get their&#39;s up to 6000 something? maybe it was 3gn&#39;s friend.. or someone else&#39;s i forgot

[3RA1N1AC]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx+6 December 2003 - 16:01--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigdawgfoxx &#064; 6 December 2003 - 16:01)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-john_malkie2010@6 December 2003 - 23:59
AA = Anti-Aliasing
AF = Anisotropic Filtering

basically smmothes the edges of the bitmaps u c so they look less blocky
so AA and AF are the same thing basicly? and I will search on google to see if i can find some images [/b][/quote]
antialiasing smoothes the edges of objects, so that they look less jagged and staircase-like. anisotropic filtering improves the appearance of the textures (the surfaces)-- generally makes them look more clear and sharp. ;)

[john_malkie2010]

lol...ur talking to the exact person.....ive had it hit 6150

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by john_malkie2010@6 December 2003 - 19:41
lol...ur talking to the exact person.....ive had it hit 6150
ok. well , i remember 3gn talking about a extensive ocing proj that his friend did. and got his 9800 pro to 6000 something on 3dmark03. well. nice job, rich brat. lol. jk. but ur rich, or else, how would be u find the spare cash to buy the card?

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power+6 December 2003 - 23:45--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (abu_has_the_power @ 6 December 2003 - 23:45)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-john_malkie2010@6 December 2003 - 19:41
lol...ur talking to the exact person.....ive had it hit 6150
ok. well , i remember 3gn talking about a extensive ocing proj that his friend did. and got his 9800 pro to 6000 something on 3dmark03. well. nice job, rich brat. lol. jk. but ur rich, or else, how would be u find the spare cash to buy the card? [/b][/quote]
och, he&#39;s not that rich :-"

p.s. abu, here&#39;s a ss of my 3dmark 03 results:

http://www.arap78.dsl.pipex.com/3dmark.JPG

[john_malkie2010]

student loans....where would i be without them

[3rd gen noob]

http://www.arap78.dsl.pipex.com/5997.JPG

here&#39;s a pic of one of John&#39;s runs

not the best, but it&#39;s the only one i have just now

i think he&#39;s off doing another run now

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@6 December 2003 - 19:54
http://www.arap78.dsl.pipex.com/5997.JPG

here&#39;s a pic of one of John&#39;s runs

not the best, but it&#39;s the only one i have just now

i think he&#39;s off doing another run now
y doesn&#39;t he run any of the other tests?

and i&#39;m guessing john is the other guy who did the ocing proj?

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@6 December 2003 - 23:58
y doesn&#39;t he run any of the other tests?

and i&#39;m guessing john is the other guy who did the ocing proj?
it was really late at night and he wanted to get to bed :lol:

[john_malkie2010]

http://www.arap78.dsl.pipex.com/6077.JPG

Thats at 411/369
CPU fsb and ram are outta sync just now so it could be higher

u dont need to run all the tests to get a 3d score....just the 3d tests...the other tests give you individual benchmarks e.g. CPU Score = n/a

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by john_malkie2010@6 December 2003 - 20:20
http://www.arap78.dsl.pipex.com/6077.JPG

Thats at 411/369
CPU fsb and ram are outta sync just now so it could be higher

u dont need to run all the tests to get a 3d score....just the 3d tests...the other tests give you individual benchmarks e.g. CPU Score = n/a
doesn&#39;t it help ur score if u do well on those tests?

[bigdawgfoxx]

Are yall ready for this? I&#39;m going to run 3DMark03 and post my score....any guesses? lol also, how do I put the picture on the page? Do I have to use a website thing? And which one do yall use? john?

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@7 December 2003 - 00:29
Are yall ready for this?&nbsp; I&#39;m going to run 3DMark03 and post my score....any guesses? lol also, how do I put the picture on the page?&nbsp; Do I have to use a website thing?&nbsp; And which one do yall use? john?
john is currently using my site as his host
you&#39;ll need to host it somewhere (i&#39;ve got limited space :( ), take a look here (http://klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=19152) for some good hosts :)

edit: if it installs on your comp, i think you&#39;ll get about 200 points :P

[john_malkie2010]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@7 December 2003 - 01:31
edit: if it installs on your comp, i think you&#39;ll get about 200 points :P
being a wee bit genorous there...lol

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by john_malkie2010+7 December 2003 - 00:36--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (john_malkie2010 @ 7 December 2003 - 00:36)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-3rd gen noob@7 December 2003 - 01:31
edit: if it installs on your comp, i think you&#39;ll get about 200 points&nbsp; :P
being a wee bit genorous there...lol [/b][/quote]
didn&#39;t want to discourage him too much... :rolleyes:

[bigdawgfoxx]

lol no ive ran it before

...I can only run it with ONE of the video test my fucking system sux so bad..like yalls is say 6000. That would be like 150 times better then mine...are your graphics actually 150 times better then mine..damn lol

[bigdawgfoxx]

Ok I did it on uploadit.org, and I dont have to have an account or anything...do they just leave files on there forever or what??


http://server4.uploadit.org/files2/071203-3DMark03.JPG

Edit: forgot to laugh my ass off&#33; AHHHHH HAHAHAHAHHAA

[john_malkie2010]

post a ss from a current game(if u can get any to run) then ill post one as well....will let u c the diff

[john_malkie2010]

44......lmfao.....i told u 3rd gen that u were being genorous

[bigdawgfoxx]

Ok since the fucking pic wont work in that one here it is again.

http://server4.uploadit.org/files2/071203-3DMark03.JPG

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@7 December 2003 - 00:46
Ok I did it on uploadit.org, and I dont have to have an account or anything...do they just leave files on there forever or what??


http://server4.uploadit.org/files2/071203-3DMark03.JPG

Edit: forgot to laugh my ass off&#33; AHHHHH HAHAHAHAHHAA
:lol:

well, at least you tried :)

i wonder if anyone can get a lower score than that...?
i&#39;ve got an old calculator lying about somewhere...

[john_malkie2010]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@7 December 2003 - 01:49
i wonder if anyone can get a lower score than that...?
i&#39;ve got an old calculator lying about somewhere...
give his comp a chance

[bigdawgfoxx]

lol nooo theres people with worse then me&#33; OMG that guy with the P2 at 400Mhz and 192MB of ram and an ATI Rage 128 like 8mb video card&#33; lets find his ass and make him do it haha&#33; I plan on building a new system after xmas (low prices) 2500XP, 512MB Ram, Asus mobo..duno if i want to get a 65 dollar one of a 120 dollar one...I wont use alot of special features. But im keeping this graphics card in the new system cuz I dont play games newayz.

JOHN, what games do you have? Should they be the same? I could do one from Max Payne..(which runs perfect on my system...lol) would that work?

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@7 December 2003 - 00:52
lol nooo theres people with worse then me&#33; OMG that guy with the P2 at 400Mhz and 192MB of ram and an ATI Rage 128 like 8mb video card&#33; lets find his ass and make him do it haha&#33;
just kidding on :lol:

i used to have a pentium family 100MHz myself, 64MB PC100 ram, integrated graphics etc not too long ago (2 years)

[john_malkie2010]

ive got max payne 2 installed...i could get one from that


if u give me a price on how much you want to spend then im sure i could maybe spec u a comp

[john_malkie2010]

i used to have a 486dx with 32mb ram and a 2d vid card....wish i still had it to mess about with

[bigdawgfoxx]

alright max payne will work then...should i turn all the special features up? or leave them on low so the game works? and im willing to spend abouuut &#036;300 dollars. I already have a HDD, and a graphics card all i need is mobo, ram, and 2500XP....on uploadit.com...they just like leave the pics there? do they stay there forever or what?.

Ill get one from max payne and post it

[john_malkie2010]

is ur case up to fitting the mobo in and what kinda psu have u got cos ur prob gonna need a new one....do u plan to oc the cpu as well??

[clocker]

i ran the 3dmark03 they had installed, and it got 2089. i just ran 3dmark03 on my rig, and i got 2583. wtf? how can a 9600 not oced beat a 9800?

I can&#39;t believe that this has run to 5 pages and no one has figured it out.
Even atiVidia has been oddly silent.
The reason that Abu scored higher is as obvious as the nose on your face.


LIGHTS&#33;&#33;&#33;

Lots and lots of bright, shiny, cathode, LED lights&#33;

People, people, people....put on your thinking caps.

[john_malkie2010]

thats a ss...dunno if i have aa and af on or not

http://server4.uploadit.org/files2/071203-max%20payne%202.JPG

[bigdawgfoxx]

Clocker your funny dude.

John, I will need a new case and PSU (3 year old Dell stuff right now).

Heres the SS...it has like 2 pics in one cuz i pasted 2 and i didnt mean to..but oh well it looks tight...ok I will put the SS in another post cuz uploadit.org wont work&#33; so i have to go back and see the other sites&#33; brb


Good deal on case that I think is pretty cool and a 300 watt PSU..u get the PSU for free (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=698026&sku=DRG-C-S%20PROMO&SRCCODE=WEM598CV)

[john_malkie2010]

Chieftec Dragon Series Silver with Ultra 300 Watt Power Supply
&#036;80
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/se...RCCODE=WEM598CV (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=698026&sku=DRG-C-S%20PROMO&SRCCODE=WEM598CV)

AMD Athlon XP 2500+ "Barton", 333 FSB, 512K Cache Processor - Retail
&#036;90
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?...ption=2500%2Cxp (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=1&submit=Go&description=2500%2Cxp)

Kingston HyperX Series Dual Kits 184 Pin 256MBx2 DDR PC-3200
&#036;110
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-144-113&depa=1

Asus nForce2 Ultra 400 Motherboard for AMD Processors, Model "A7N8X" RETAIL(New Version, now support AMD Barton 400MHz)
&#036;90
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....y=BROWSE&depa=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-455&catalog=22&manufactory=BROWSE&depa=1)



Total = &#036;370

&#036;300 is not really enough when u need a case, psu, mobo, cpu, ram.....im not saying it cant be done but if u could stretch to whats above then ud have a good system (that cpu will get to 3200+ quite easily as long as u stick to some good ram and a mobo that will let u get there)

[bigdawgfoxx]

Dude..I got that deal in my email..we got the same deal i find that really funny lol

Yep thats the exact same stuff I was looking at lol. Thanks.

Now about overclocking with that ram...when I raise the FSB of my CPU 200X11, which is what it will be, will that also mess with the ram or anything? and the timings of the ram can you change that? is it in the bios? thanks...STILL WORKING ON THAT SS

*EDIT*EDIT*- I just noticed that on the sticker for tha PSU it says "Pentium 4" on it....I guess we cant get this for the AMD?

[john_malkie2010]

u wont need to mess with the timings...the mem is pc3200 which at standard should be able to handle 200mhz with absolutly no probs...the kingston memory is very good and u should at 200mhz get timings of sumthin like 2,2,2,5 which is good...as long as you dont change anythin then the ram will default to the timings stored in its spd which for the kingston are possibly 2,2,2,5 but i cant remember

[bigdawgfoxx]

http://server4.uploadit.org/files2/071203-Max%20Payne.JPG

[bigdawgfoxx]

The PSU says Pentium 4 on it...can I still get that for an AMD system? John you still alive out there? lol

GOING TO PLAY MADDEN 2004&#33; Be back in like 25 mins.

[clocker]

I don&#39;t think that the Pentium 4 sticker means that it won&#39;t work with your AMD.
300w is marginal IMO, though.
Maybe you can run a dual PSU?
That&#39;s my current project...

[bigdawgfoxx]

Well im just running a 7200RPM HDD a 8X CD-RW and my mobo. I dont think I will need more then 300 watts.

[bigdawgfoxx]

The CAS latency on the &#036;110 is 2-3-2-6. The CAS latency on the &#036;120 is 2-2-2-6. Will the 2-2-2-6 be much faster at all? Would I see a difference?

[clocker]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@6 December 2003 - 21:28
Well im just running a 7200RPM HDD a 8X CD-RW and my mobo. I dont think I will need more then 300 watts.
No fans?
No video card?
No plans on adding anything?

Okay, good.
You&#39;re fine then.

[bigdawgfoxx]

lol well yeah...2 or 4 fans..my video card ..in my sig..is a piece of shit and doesnt have a power connector. If I gotta add I will just buy a new PSU...but that one is free so what the heck. 300 watts is enough I think..like how much does that stuff use? What bout the Cas Latencey while ur at it smarty ;)

[clocker]

" 2 or 4 fans"?

Is counting not one of your strong suits then?

You vid card is being powered through the PCI slot.
Trust me, it is absorbing power.

What about CAS latency?
Get the best you can afford and then learn to live with it.
Will you notice a difference?
Depends.
How good are you at differentiating milliseconds?

Personally, I have trouble with days...

[abu_has_the_power]

is this 300 watt psu true power? if not, u might as well buy urself a 500 watt from dealsonic for &#036;20. or u can buy mine. it&#39;s a Raidmax 350 watt. i&#39;ll give it to ya cheap

[bigdawgfoxx]

Yeah its true power.

[john_malkie2010]

u could always go for the antec 1080amg...similar case and comes with a 430w antec truepower psu....think it is &#036;120 from newegg.com

[bigdawgfoxx]

I like the case you suggested before

[abu_has_the_power]

if u want design, get a x superalien from xp-cases.com. looks amazing. but costs as much as a thermaltake xaser

[bigdawgfoxx]

That case looks ugly to me..I like the thermaltake xaser much beter

[abu_has_the_power]

u saying this doesn&#39;t look good?
http://www.xpcases.com/images/products/photo430x320/XA7AW-GN420.jpg

ok. tt xasers look just as good. but this looks pretty nice

[pc-gamer-dude]

im sayin that one looks ugly.

[abu_has_the_power]

http://www.xpcases.com/images/products/photo430x320/X-Superalien_Big-BK.jpg

sory. this is the one i&#39;m talking about

[bigdawgfoxx]

It looks good ecept for the drive cover. I think the two red parts looks kinda ugly. But still nice.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@8 December 2003 - 19:36
It looks good ecept for the drive cover. I think the two red parts looks kinda ugly. But still nice.
there r different colors:
http://www.xpcases.com/images/products/photo430x320/X-Superalien_Big-GN.jpg

this is my case:
http://www.xpcases.com/images/products/photo430x320/XS868WS.jpg

not da best. but not really bad

[john_malkie2010]

have a look at the xaser case...similar but a bit different if u catch ma drift

[abu_has_the_power]

xasers look amazing, but this looks cool too

[john_malkie2010]

u wouldnt be disappointed with any of these cases

6 pages and still going...lol

[bigdawgfoxx]

Well i dont like the green one, nor would i like any of those..i just think it looks tacky. Your case of course i dont want to put it down...the drive cover just makes it look "fat" to me...I duno im just picky about style... but i like you case&#33; just not the drive cover lol. I like the side fan..it looks tight

[adamp2p]

I want to start off by saying that I did not read the whole thread. But I wanted to interject that I think AA and AF are necessary for real gaming pleasure. Newer generation Radeon cards tend to perform better with lots of AA and AF. My personal favorite is 4X AA in direct 3d and in Open GL and 8X AF in direct 3d and Open GL.

[john_malkie2010]

i agree with u on that...for most games i run 4xAA and 8xAF but when playing games which move really fast such as nfsu then u dont really notice much of a diference tbh but in fps games then u always notice the difference

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@8 December 2003 - 19:58
Well i dont like the green one, nor would i like any of those..i just think it looks tacky. Your case of course i dont want to put it down...the drive cover just makes it look "fat" to me...I duno im just picky about style... but i like you case&#33; just not the drive cover lol. I like the side fan..it looks tight
well, mine is a mid-tower. so it&#39;s short and fat. i&#39;m getting a server tower for my next rig. it&#39;s gonna have peltiers, if i can afford it. or mostly likely i&#39;ll just put wc in it

[john_malkie2010]

what kinda 3dmark03 scores u getting adamp2p with that system and have u oc&#39;d ur 9800pro and if u have what have u got it 2??

[abu_has_the_power]

i like the alien cuz it&#39;s got the same features as the xaser, but it&#39;s lighter to carry. and sometimes it&#39;s cheaper. maybe i&#39;m wrong.

don&#39;t get me wrong, i like both. the xaser looks tight as hell. so does the xsuperalien