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Grim
02-14-2003, 01:53 PM
I install windows on average once a month cos i keep f*ckin it up. I have noticed with experience that if i don't install the updates windows seems to work a liitte better, as soon as i install them things start to go wrong. I use Zone Alarm & AVG & have IE settings set for max security. So are these updates reely neccessary?

CornerPocket
02-14-2003, 01:58 PM
I'd suggest getting the 'Critical' Updates at least, the 'Recommended' updates you can kinda browse them and choose what you want, not all updates are needed........I choose what I need only from the 'Rec'..........


Just to give an idea:

Windows Update

How do I know if I need an update?
Windows Update scans your computer and provides you with a tailored selection of updates that apply only to the items on your computer. During the scan, a list of categories appears under Welcome to Windows Update and the number of updates that are available in each category is noted in parentheses.


Critical Updates are important!
Any update that is critical to the operation of your computer is considered a "Critical Update," and is automatically selected for installation during the scan for available updates. These updates are provided to help resolve known issues, and to protect your computer from known security vulnerabilities. Whether a critical update applies to your operating system, software programs, or hardware, it is listed in the "Critical Updates" category.

Leech_Killer
02-14-2003, 02:07 PM
Zone Alarm has problems with all of the Microsoft range, a better firewall is Kerio and its free, you can get it at:-

http://www.kerio.com/us/kpf_download.html

TheMan1891
02-14-2003, 02:18 PM
ZoneAlarm is just messed up period.

Grim
02-14-2003, 02:25 PM
To CornerPocket: I have all the critical updates apart from SP1 which i cannot save to my drive. As i said if i leeve em, windows seems to work fine, soon as i install things start to go BAD. Thanks for the quick reply.
To Leech Killer: I have Kerio, i just thort Zone Alarm was a better firewall. I have to shut it down now & again for some websites to work reet, maybe it's Zone Alarm that's giving me all these problems. Same to you, thanks for the quick reply.

Supernatural
02-15-2003, 03:58 AM
I never heard of updates making things WORSE. Could it be a virus? :huh:

Grim
02-15-2003, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by Supernatural@15 February 2003 - 04:58
I never heard of updates making things WORSE. Could it be a virus? :huh:
No i don't think it's a virus, AVG wood have found it & i also done a check from some website.

I_DONT_SHARE_PORN
02-15-2003, 08:32 AM
AAAGGGGHHHH YOU PEOPLE AND VIRUS' AN UPDATE AINT SHIT BUT MICROSHAFT SPYING ON YOU,
IF YOUR VERSION OF WINDOZE IS BOOTLEGGED THEN DONT DO A FUCKING UPDATE!!

Supernatural
02-15-2003, 10:22 AM
Originally posted by I_DONT_SHARE_PORN@15 February 2003 - 03:32
AAAGGGGHHHH YOU PEOPLE AND VIRUS' AN UPDATE AINT SHIT BUT MICROSHAFT SPYING ON YOU,
IF YOUR VERSION OF WINDOZE IS BOOTLEGGED THEN DONT DO A FUCKING UPDATE!!
Bootlegs are no different from retail copies.

ProwL418
02-15-2003, 10:38 AM
i have a bug free service pack one on my pc that works very well. if i download any updates my pc's performance deteriorates as well.
its probably just a matter of taste. this has been microsofts legacy from the get go.
if it works, dont fix it :P

I_DONT_SHARE_PORN
02-15-2003, 11:35 AM
Bootlegs are no different from retail copies. Dude why would you register a bootlegged version of windoze?

Supernatural
02-15-2003, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by I_DONT_SHARE_PORN@15 February 2003 - 06:35

Bootlegs are no different from retail copies. Dude why would you register a bootlegged version of windoze?
Who said anything about registering bootleg versions of Windows?

PcH
02-15-2003, 03:35 PM
Updates might make your computer lag. Go to Start->Run->Msconfig->Startup to see what programs run on boot. If you are WinME, then press Cleanup. Make sure you defrag. monthly. Otherwise, I would recommend the updates.

geothermal78
02-15-2003, 10:00 PM
You might have a Backdoor Trojan on your system.

At the present time, the most spreading Trojan Horses are BackDoor Trojans. They enable remote access to infected computers and PSW (Password Stealers) - they are trying to gather as much private information from the infected computer as possible and to send the info through the Internet.

To remove the Trojan Horse, it is enough to remove infected files from the infected computer (these files are created by the Trojan Horse). Although, if the infected file is running in memory, its .EXE file is protected (by Windows) and can not be removed easily. In such cases, you need to follow the steps mentioned to remove the infected file (the steps depend on your Windows version):

Under Windows 95/98/ME, you need to remove these files under MS-DOS mode, as described here:

http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_faq.php?act...=6&co=healindos (http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_faq.php?action=6&co=healindos)

Under Windows NT4, you need to remove infected files under VGA mode, again following this guide:

http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_faq.php?act...=6&co=healindos (http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_faq.php?action=6&co=healindos)

Under Windows 2000 and Windows XP, you need to start your computer in Safe mode with command prompt and follow these steps:

http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_faq.php?act...=6&co=healindos (http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_faq.php?action=6&co=healindos)

Under Windows XP, you should disable System Restore feature too - then, the content of _System volume information folder will be accessible. Please follow these steps:

http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_faq.php?act...6&co=restore_xp (http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_faq.php?action=6&co=restore_xp)

JM

PS I've never had to shut off Zone Alarm to visit a website. What website did you visit ?

Grim
02-16-2003, 03:20 PM
If i have a trojan or whatever then AVG is updated so it shood find it, it finds no viri or trojans anywhere on my PC, including all my install files & AVG is a good antivirus program?. As for Zone Alarm blocking what i see on certain websites that is mainly down to me limiting cookies & banners, cookies are SPIES & i don't F*CKIN like em. I use VoptXP for defrag which i do evry couple a days. I think i will just do a full install AGAIN & leeve the updates alone.

Thanks all for the replies

Sid
02-16-2003, 05:05 PM
Im running a bootleg copy of XP with SP1 and all critical updates and never had a problem like this. My PC was pretty slow when I had Zone Alarm, that could be your problem.

Grim
02-16-2003, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by Sid@16 February 2003 - 18:05
Im running a bootleg copy of XP with SP1 and all critical updates and never had a problem like this. My PC was pretty slow when I had Zone Alarm, that could be your problem.
A few have mentioned Zone Alarm causing problems. I have the free Kerio Personal Firewall so i will go back to using that & wait & see if there's any improvement to my PC's performance.

PS. I also have XP pro & the 124mb SP1 but i still prefer 98SE

Satan
02-16-2003, 05:26 PM
A virus scanner is only as good as it's list of files recognized as viruses...

I just found two trojans on my box, and NAV and Pest Patrol both missed them...but my Trojan Scanner, with the newest updates found em...one of them was started during boot up, and definitely was slowing things down...

The point here is this, and it has been mentioned in this forum before...

It takes a while for the makers of the virus definitions to identify a certain file as a virus or trojan, and until that time you can very easily be infected while still passing your repeated scans...

Also, as I noted above, I use multiple scanners, and each of them has been known to find files that the others missed...

Grim
02-16-2003, 05:43 PM
What's a Trojan Scanner (silly me, common sense tells me what it is but iwant to ask anyway) & where & what will i use?

I'll do google while i'm waitin for a reply

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