Good Temps

[abu_has_the_power]

here's my temps (Deg C):
CPU: 34 idle, 44-50 depending on load
HD: 13-19
Mobo: 30 idle, 40 load
Vd card: 23-30 idle, 35-40 running 3dmark03

are those good temps?

wat r ur temps?

any suggestions as to what i should do to lower them?

[TheFilePirater]

33-34 Idle
40-41 Full Load (games mostly)

^--CPU Temps....im to lazy to buy a temp sensor for everything esle :rolleyes:

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by TheFilePirater@6 December 2003 - 18:37
33-34 Idle
40-41 Full Load (games mostly)

^--CPU Temps....im to lazy to buy a temp sensor for everything esle :rolleyes:
wat mobo do have? most mobos today have a cpu sensor and mobo sensor

[Smurfette]

Idly surfing:
Case 35
CPU 43
System 38

Under load it goes up to about 50 -ish, which isn't a problem for a chip AMD guarantee to 90 degrees.

This is a 1700+ Throroughbred Athlon, normally 11x133MHz but running at 11x166MHz. No special cooling other than an extra exhaust fan on the case rear.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by Smurfette@6 December 2003 - 19:10
Idly surfing:
Case 35
CPU 43
System 38

Under load it goes up to about 50 -ish, which isn't a problem for a chip AMD guarantee to 90 degrees.

This is a 1700+ Throroughbred Athlon, normally 11x133MHz but running at 11x166MHz. No special cooling other than an extra exhaust fan on the case rear.
how do u check wat the manufacture's limit on cpu temp is? i went on intel.com, and didn't find anything. anyone wanna give a little help here?

[abu_has_the_power]

nvm. i found it. wow. 72C that's pretty hot

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power+6 December 2003 - 23:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (abu_has_the_power @ 6 December 2003 - 23:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Smurfette@6 December 2003 - 19:10
Idly surfing:
Case 35
CPU 43
System 38

Under load it goes up to about 50 -ish, which isn&#39;t a problem for a chip AMD guarantee to 90 degrees.

This is a 1700+ Throroughbred Athlon, normally 11x133MHz but running at 11x166MHz. No special cooling other than an extra exhaust fan on the case rear.
how do u check wat the manufacture&#39;s limit on cpu temp is? i went on intel.com, and didn&#39;t find anything. anyone wanna give a little help here? [/b][/quote]
you can find a little bit of a guide here (http://users.erols.com/chare/elec.htm) :)

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@6 December 2003 - 18:31
here&#39;s my temps (Deg C):
CPU: 34 idle, 44-50 depending on load
HD: 13-19
Mobo: 30 idle, 40 load
Vd card: 23-30 idle, 35-40 running 3dmark03

are those good temps?

wat r ur temps?

any suggestions as to what i should do to lower them?
Hey abu, could you tell me what the room temperature where you are?

How the hell do you get your hard drive running at 13C. ????

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234+6 December 2003 - 19:24--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Virtualbody1234 &#064; 6 December 2003 - 19:24)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@6 December 2003 - 18:31
here&#39;s my temps (Deg C):
CPU: 34 idle, 44-50 depending on load
HD: 13-19
Mobo: 30 idle, 40 load
Vd card: 23-30 idle, 35-40 running 3dmark03

are those good temps?

wat r ur temps?

any suggestions as to what i should do to lower them?
Hey abu, could you tell me what the room temperature where you are?

How the hell do you get your hard drive running at 13C. ???? [/b][/quote]
when i start the comp in the morning, and it&#39;s really cold, like 20C in the room, the hd temp is around 13C. now, after being on all day, it&#39;s 17 C

my room temp is around 25. and i have a hd cooler with the 2 60 mm fans

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power+6 December 2003 - 19:36--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (abu_has_the_power @ 6 December 2003 - 19:36)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@6 December 2003 - 19:24
<!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@6 December 2003 - 18:31
here&#39;s my temps (Deg C):
CPU: 34 idle, 44-50 depending on load
HD: 13-19
Mobo: 30 idle, 40 load
Vd card: 23-30 idle, 35-40 running 3dmark03

are those good temps?

wat r ur temps?

any suggestions as to what i should do to lower them?
Hey abu, could you tell me what the room temperature where you are?

How the hell do you get your hard drive running at 13C. ????
when i start the comp in the morning, and it&#39;s really cold, like 20C in the room, the hd temp is around 13C. now, after being on all day, it&#39;s 17 C

my room temp is around 25. and i have a hd cooler with the 2 60 mm fans [/b][/quote]
And you&#39;re full of shit too.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234+6 December 2003 - 19:45--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Virtualbody1234 &#064; 6 December 2003 - 19:45)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@6 December 2003 - 19:36

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@6 December 2003 - 19:24
<!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@6 December 2003 - 18:31
here&#39;s my temps (Deg C):
CPU: 34 idle, 44-50 depending on load
HD: 13-19
Mobo: 30 idle, 40 load
Vd card: 23-30 idle, 35-40 running 3dmark03

are those good temps?

wat r ur temps?

any suggestions as to what i should do to lower them?
Hey abu, could you tell me what the room temperature where you are?

How the hell do you get your hard drive running at 13C. ????
when i start the comp in the morning, and it&#39;s really cold, like 20C in the room, the hd temp is around 13C. now, after being on all day, it&#39;s 17 C

my room temp is around 25. and i have a hd cooler with the 2 60 mm fans
And you&#39;re full of shit too. [/b][/quote]


i&#39;ll post a pic
i don&#39;t lie

[abu_has_the_power]

http://www.freewebs.com/ihaveabu/temp.JPG
http://www.freewebs.com/ihaveabu/temp.JPG

[Virtualbody1234]

I don&#39;t care about the posted picture.

You cannot have your HD temp lower that room temp without refrigeration or icecubes. :blink:

You must have some really magical 60 mm fans there. They have refrigeration qualities built into them. :lol: :lol:



clocker, if you&#39;re reading this... It&#39;s another one of those snowbank coolers. :lol: :lol:

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@6 December 2003 - 20:08
I don&#39;t care about the posted picture.

You cannot have your HD temp lower that room temp without refrigeration or icecubes. :blink:

You must have some really magical 60 mm fans there. They have refrigeration qualities built into them. :lol: :lol:



clocker, if you&#39;re reading this... It&#39;s another one of those snowbank coolers. :lol: :lol:
umm.... no. my hd cooler is a plastic brace with 2 60 mm fans. nothing special. ask clocker wat his hd temp is. he&#39;s got 1 o those heatpipe coolers. rich lucky bastard

[clocker]

Indeed, I am a rich and lucky bastard.

My current temps ( must I post a pic?) are CPU 36, mainboard 29, HDD 28 and case ambient 27 C.
These delta values are about normal for me...HDD and mobo 1-3 degrees higher than ambient.
I am at a loss to explain how your HDD temps could be so low Abu.
I do not use SpeedFan to monitor my HDD however.
I use HDD Temp Pro (http://www.hddtemp.com/).

Perhaps you could DL that app and compare it to the readings you get from SpeedFan.

[clocker]

http://server4.uploadit.org/files2/071203-current%20temps.jpg

28C is the HDD temp obviously.
currently tinkering with the max setting on my HSF in SpeedFan, hence the rise in CPU temp. do not worry, I have it under control...

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by clocker@6 December 2003 - 20:55
Indeed, I am a rich and lucky bastard.

My current temps ( must I post a pic?) are CPU 36, mainboard 29, HDD 28 and case ambient 27 C.
These delta values are about normal for me...HDD and mobo 1-3 degrees higher than ambient.
I am at a loss to explain how your HDD temps could be so low Abu.
I do not use SpeedFan to monitor my HDD however.
I use HDD Temp Pro (http://www.hddtemp.com/).

Perhaps you could DL that app and compare it to the readings you get from SpeedFan.
maybe u want proof?
http://www.freewebs.com/ihaveabu/hd%20temp.JPG
http://www.freewebs.com/ihaveabu/hd%20temp.JPG

[clocker]

That is very impressive.

What brand cooler is it that you have?

[Virtualbody1234]

So abu, let me get this right.

You say that your current room temperature is about 25C.
And you HDD temp is 19C.

That is one awesome fan. :lol:

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by clocker@6 December 2003 - 22:42
That is very impressive.

What brand cooler is it that you have?
yep. it&#39;s an ultra


So abu, let me get this right.

You say that your current room temperature is about 25C.
And you HDD temp is 19C.

That is one awsome fan.&nbsp;


lol. i don&#39;t know how this works so well

[Virtualbody1234]

And that you have a low temp of 13C. in the morning? :lol:

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@6 December 2003 - 22:55
And that you have a low temp of 13C. in the morning? :lol:
yep. that&#39;s wat my temp was this morning

[clocker]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power+6 December 2003 - 21:01--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (abu_has_the_power @ 6 December 2003 - 21:01)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Virtualbody1234@6 December 2003 - 22:55
And that you have a low temp of 13C. in the morning?&nbsp; :lol:
yep. that&#39;s wat my temp was this morning [/b][/quote]
I hope you have nice warm jammies...

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by clocker+6 December 2003 - 23:03--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 6 December 2003 - 23:03)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@6 December 2003 - 21:01
<!--QuoteBegin-Virtualbody1234@6 December 2003 - 22:55
And that you have a low temp of 13C. in the morning? :lol:
yep. that&#39;s wat my temp was this morning
I hope you have nice warm jammies... [/b][/quote]
no, my room was around 24-26 this morning

[lynx]

It&#39;s quite obvious really.

Abu has oc&#39;d his P4 so much that it is now running slightly faster than the speed of light.
Consequently, any excess heat is funnelled a few microseconds into the past. The rotation of the earth means that the excess heat ends up outside the case, resulting in a cold hd and a warm bedroom. :lol:

[clocker]

Of course.

Lynx, that must be it.

I was working on a alternate universe explanation, but yours is so much more plausible.

[lynx]

Dammit, it&#39;s 3:30 in the morning. I think the neighbours are going to complain if I don&#39;t stop laughing so loud.

Think I&#39;d better go to bed. Night all. :D

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by lynx@6 December 2003 - 23:15
It&#39;s quite obvious really.

Abu has oc&#39;d his P4 so much that it is now running slightly faster than the speed of light.
Consequently, any excess heat is funnelled a few microseconds into the past. The rotation of the earth means that the excess heat ends up outside the case, resulting in a cold hd and a warm bedroom. :lol:
lol. i like that explaination. maybe it&#39;s true. :lol: :lol:

[abu_has_the_power]

how r my vd card temps? a little too high?

[Kunal]

all your temps are within acceptable limits&#33; stop stressing&#33; if you want to go lower &#39;em, get water cooling&#33;

my temps (amd athlon xp 2000+ oc to 1.825 ghz), its a palomino core, if my temps seem slightly higher

this morning im messing about, so my temps are m/b 27c, cpu 28c(wow&#33;), hdd 26c but thats with my side panel off, and my cpu cooler (thermaltake volcano 12) running at full rpm&#33; (48db&#33;)

my normal temps (with side panel on and cooler at about 1/2) are m/b 27, cpu 35-37c, hdd 28c

[Spicker]

http://a.domaindlx.com/jaigandhi5/stuff/Temps.JPG

IDLE TEMPS ^^

on load its usally 40ish for cpu

[abu_has_the_power]

do u guys run on stock hsf or some better one? i&#39;m running on stock intel hsf

[Spicker]

im running stock :D

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by jaigandhi5@7 December 2003 - 22:07
im running stock :D
thats not bad for stock. i&#39;m guessing u don&#39;t oc

[Spicker]

no i did not overclock b/c my mobo dunt support it :angry:

but getting a new ASUS mobo for ocing

lol the temps are good as a matter of fact the 4 clips on the mobo tht hold the HSF, 2 of them broke sum how... :unsure: so i had to tie it with sum good string i guess i tied it a bit too good lol

btw i play all the real high graphics games the temp for cpu only goes up to 41-44 sumtimes it goes to 45 or 46 but usally its 41-44 all i have a CASE fan on the side which is ALSO unplugged (too much noise and the temps are good without it) my psu is dual fan so tht might be helping the temp

my specs are p4 1.9ghz 256sdram winxp SiS 315vid

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by jaigandhi5@7 December 2003 - 23:37
no i did not overclock b/c my mobo dunt support it :angry:

but getting a new ASUS mobo for ocing

lol the temps are good as a matter of fact the 4 clips on the mobo tht hold the HSF, 2 of them broke sum how... :unsure: so i had to tie it with sum good string i guess i tied it a bit too good lol

btw i play all the real high graphics games the temp for cpu only goes up to 41-44 sumtimes it goes to 45 or 46 but usally its 41-44 all i have a CASE fan on the side which is ALSO unplugged (too much noise and the temps are good without it) my psu is dual fan so tht might be helping the temp

my specs are p4 1.9ghz 256sdram winxp SiS 315vid
yea. my load is around 40-44 while playing halo. i keep my side fan running cuz it looks cool.

[clocker]

http://server4.uploadit.org/files2/081203-speedfan.jpg
I still don&#39;t see how you guys are getting lower temps on your HDD than your boards or even case ambient.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by clocker@8 December 2003 - 02:35
http://server4.uploadit.org/files2/081203-speedfan.jpg
I still don&#39;t see how you guys are getting lower temps on your HDD than your boards or even case ambient.
or maybe it&#39;s just me. lol

[clocker]

Abu,
Have you run any burn in tests to see how your HDD temp responds to those?
I see you&#39;re now a big fan of 3D Mark, how about Burnin or Super PI, something to stress out your HDD.

[SciManAl]

cold metal... like concrete after a cold night... dstays cold for some time.. or like being in da shade... things get colder than ambient...

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by SciManAl@8 December 2003 - 09:11
cold metal... like concrete after a cold night... dstays cold for some time.. or like being in da shade... things get colder than ambient...
That can&#39;t be it. Abu said his was 19C after his PC was on for a long time. He also said that ambient was around 25C.

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power+6 December 2003 - 23:10--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (abu_has_the_power @ 6 December 2003 - 23:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by clocker@6 December 2003 - 23:03

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@6 December 2003 - 21:01
<!--QuoteBegin-Virtualbody1234@6 December 2003 - 22:55
And that you have a low temp of 13C. in the morning? :lol:
yep. that&#39;s wat my temp was this morning
I hope you have nice warm jammies...
no, my room was around 24-26 this morning [/b][/quote]
Also, look at the huge temp difference in the morning. 13C HD while 24-26 ambient.

[clocker]

VB, frankly I am baffled.

I just removed my sidepanel, undid the HDD from it&#39;s mount ( I&#39;m testing a different layout anyway...what a surprise&#33;) and ran it laying OUTSIDE the case altogether.
Then I arranged two 80 mm fans to blow directly on it.

Try as I might, I CANNOT get that thing to drop BELOW ambient.

Perhaps I need to move to a different universe...

Edit: I&#39;m going to try removing my heatpipe cooler and see what happens...perhaps that is doing a better job of retaining heat than dissipating it...

[Virtualbody1234]

It&#39;s not worth putting any effort into it, clocker.

No matter how many fans you put, it won&#39;t go below ambient.

There is something called the laws of nature. Physics or something unimportant like that that will prevent it.

Your heatpipe is not the cause.

[clocker]

Originally posted by SciManAl@8 December 2003 - 07:11
cold metal... like concrete after a cold night... dstays cold for some time.. or like being in da shade... things get colder than ambient...
Al, your analogy is faulty.

Concrete can be cooler than the air above it because it is in contact with something much colder, namely the ground that it sits on.
Furthermore, the mass of metal in a HDD is not all that great, it should respond to ambient air temp quite quickly, especially if it is not running.
We know that the HDD generates heat- if it&#39;s spinning at 7200rpm it has to, so where is this heat going?

I wonder how SMART technology derives it&#39;s temp readings?
I suspect that it is measuring a diode or something, much like a motherboard.
I wonder if Abu&#39;s cooler fan setup is artificially skewing the readings.

I&#39;m off to find an answer....

[DWk]

sweet physics class&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :D

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by clocker+8 December 2003 - 13:01--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 8 December 2003 - 13:01)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-SciManAl@8 December 2003 - 07:11
cold metal...&nbsp; like concrete after a cold night... dstays cold for some time.. or like being in da shade...&nbsp; things get colder than ambient...
Al, your analogy is faulty.

Concrete can be cooler than the air above it because it is in contact with something much colder, namely the ground that it sits on.
Furthermore, the mass of metal in a HDD is not all that great, it should respond to ambient air temp quite quickly, especially if it is not running.
We know that the HDD generates heat- if it&#39;s spinning at 7200rpm it has to, so where is this heat going?

I wonder how SMART technology derives it&#39;s temp readings?
I suspect that it is measuring a diode or something, much like a motherboard.
I wonder if Abu&#39;s cooler fan setup is artificially skewing the readings.

I&#39;m off to find an answer.... [/b][/quote]
Perhaps we have misinformation. The diode could also be faulty.

[abu_has_the_power]

the loym is in another universe. lol

[johnboy27]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234+8 December 2003 - 19:07--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Virtualbody1234 @ 8 December 2003 - 19:07)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by clocker@8 December 2003 - 13:01
<!--QuoteBegin-SciManAl@8 December 2003 - 07:11
cold metal... like concrete after a cold night... dstays cold for some time.. or like being in da shade... things get colder than ambient...
Al, your analogy is faulty.

Concrete can be cooler than the air above it because it is in contact with something much colder, namely the ground that it sits on.
Furthermore, the mass of metal in a HDD is not all that great, it should respond to ambient air temp quite quickly, especially if it is not running.
We know that the HDD generates heat- if it&#39;s spinning at 7200rpm it has to, so where is this heat going?

I wonder how SMART technology derives it&#39;s temp readings?
I suspect that it is measuring a diode or something, much like a motherboard.
I wonder if Abu&#39;s cooler fan setup is artificially skewing the readings.

I&#39;m off to find an answer....
Perhaps we have misinformation. The diode could also be faulty. [/b][/quote]
BINGO&#33;&#33;&#33; I was thinking it may have something to do with the fact that it is a Maxtor drive.They don&#39;t exactly have a really good reputation.It is impossible for the fan to blow warm air onto the drive and make it run cooler than the air actually is.The most fluctuation I have ever seen was my drive being 1-2 degrees cooler than my room temp.

[abu_has_the_power]

wat u mean they don&#39;t have a good reputation? they work perfectly fine for me. been using them since 1996

[Virtualbody1234]

Well, abu, based on my own previous experience, I will not buy another Maxtor.

[clocker]

To be fair VB, if enough people were to be polled, you&#39;d probably find people who didn&#39;t like your beloved Seagates either. It&#39;s all a matter of numbers, really.

But that&#39;s neither here nor there.

Based on Abu&#39;s experience ( and yes, Abu, I DO believe you...) I&#39;m investigating Maxtors based only on their apparent ability not to generate heat, but rather to absorb it and send it to a different continuum.

Funny they don&#39;t advertise that miraculous feature.
They should make CPU heatsinks featuring this amazing technology...then they&#39;d really have something...

[Virtualbody1234]

if enough people were to be polled, you&#39;d probably find people who didn&#39;t like your beloved Seagates either.Quite possibly true.

I was only saying what I have experienced with Maxtor drives.

[clocker]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@9 December 2003 - 08:14


I was only saying what I have experienced with Maxtor drives.
Of course.
I understood that.

While you probably have dealt with more HDD units than most, for the average person, one failure equals a 100% failure rate in their experience.
In fact, on a different forum I was just reading about a VERY unhappy Seagate user.

My computer mentors also LOVE Seagates, won&#39;t use anything but.
Too bad they&#39;re so expensive...

[Virtualbody1234]

Well I just did a quick check at a local retailer and the prices are:

Maxtor 120Gb ATA133 [7200] *8Mb* ----------------- &#036;134
Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 120Gb [7200] *8Mb* -- &#036;135

Dollars are in Canadian currency.

As you can see, they are almost the same price around here.

[clocker]

Typically, and I admit I&#39;m not a big on-line shopper, at outlets such as Best Buy and Comp USA, Maxtors and Western Digitals are heavily discounted by means of rebates.
Seagates are not.

Your experience may vary.

[abu_has_the_power]

seagates and wd&#39;s are just as good. i&#39;m not really sure y i always bought maxtors. but from my experience, i&#39;ve never had a prob with them. wd&#39;s are really good too

[johnboy27]

My response was just based on what I have been told by friends who have owned them.Some have had to RMA 2 or 3 times etc. These were older drives and I am sure they have gotten better over the years but your temp just seems tooooo low.There is no possible way to have it that low,it is impossible. The only logical explanation would be a bad sensor.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by johnboy27@10 December 2003 - 01:17
My response was just based on what I have been told by friends who have owned them.Some have had to RMA 2 or 3 times etc. These were older drives and I am sure they have gotten better over the years but your temp just seems tooooo low.There is no possible way to have it that low,it is impossible. The only logical explanation would be a bad sensor.
i put my hand on my hd once or twice, and it&#39;s much colder than room temp

[Virtualbody1234]

It must have a built in refrigerator. :lol:

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@10 December 2003 - 01:53
It must have a built in refrigerator. :lol:
rite. i&#39;m actually curious of how this is actually happening. b4 i put in the hd cooler, my temps were around 27-29. now, after the hd cooler was put in, it dropped 10 deg. so i don&#39;t think it&#39;s really a sensor prob

[clocker]

I don&#39;t think anyone has suggested that it&#39;s a sensor "problem" as much as it&#39;s the sensor being fooled somehow.
Abu, this entire thread has almost come to the point where either we simply shrug off the apparent impossibility of your assertions or decide that you are intentionally misleading us.
I for one, would hate to suspect the latter, so I&#39;ll continue to afford you credibility, but can you see how awkward this is?
You have a heat producing component that is reading below ambient room ( nevermind case) temp.
Right now my machine is wide open, guts astrew as I mock up my second PSU installation, and the HDD is laying outside the case with a fan blowing directly upon it.
It is reading 3C ABOVE the ambient temp my case sensor is reporting.
This makes sense.
The drive motor creates friction, which creates heat.
The circuitry creates heat.
The fan is blowing room temp air over it and apparently not dissipating all the heat that the HDD is producing, hence the slight elevation in HDD temp.

Where the hell do you suppose all of your heat is going?
Seriously.
You have posted that your HDD is the coldest thing in your case.
If that is true then it&#39;s heat is being transferred somewhere else, cause it sure isn&#39;t just disappearing.
So, if your HDD is cold, then what has become HOT?

[Virtualbody1234]

You have posted that your HDD is the coldest thing in your case.Hey clocker, maybe you&#39;ve got something there.

Perhaps Abu&#39;s temps throughout his system are lower because the HD is absorbing the surrounding heat. :lol:

[clocker]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@10 December 2003 - 10:46


Perhaps Abu&#39;s temps throughout his system are lower because the HD is absorbing the surrounding heat. :lol:
And doing what with it exactly?

Converting it into data?

Hey Abu, you have any large and growing files that you can&#39;t explain?

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by clocker@10 December 2003 - 13:21


And doing what with it exactly?

Converting it into data?

Hey Abu, you have any large and growing files that you can&#39;t explain?
Sending it off into a virtual vortex.

[fuzzyrick]

Hello all

System 33C (or room temp I&#39;ve got alot of fans) Thermallake has high rev fans that are much quieter than Vantech&#39;s 3200 rpm range

CPU idle 38- 40
full 48 - 52

My AMd chip starts getting buggy at 60C :unsure: which is the the temp it runs at OC&#39;d to 2200mgz :) so untill i have cash to get better than stock cooling I&#39;m running at 2056 :(

[johnboy27]

well guys,I just dropped my hard drive temp to about 7 degrees below room temp.Wooohooo.
All ti took was opening the window that is right next to my computer desk and letting in the -2 degrre celcius air.
Abu,do yuo have a window nearby that is opened slightly. I only opened mine about half and inch and got these results.
CPU temp-33.0
HDD-17.5
mainboard-20.0

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by johnboy27@10 December 2003 - 15:49
well guys,I just dropped my hard drive temp to about 7 degrees below room temp.Wooohooo.
:lol: :lol: Yeah but your room temperature is dropping fast. :lol: :lol:

[Kunal]

wow&#33; im gonna run my pc outside&#33; :lol:

[Virtualbody1234]

wow&#33; im gonna run my pc outside&#33;

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@6 December 2003 - 20:08
clocker, if you&#39;re reading this... It&#39;s another one of those snowbank coolers. :lol: :lol:
I already said that on the first page of this thread. :P

I also had posted about installing a PC into an igloo. :lol: :lol:

http://pasture.ecn.purdue.edu/~agenhtml/agenmc/canada/images/igloo.gif

[Kunal]

well ive put my system on my window sill (the sills plenty big) and the windows open. my temps are:

20c cpu
16c mainboard
14c hdd

(now i best turn the heating up&#33;)

Edit: thats just after leaving it for 20mins - it would probaly go down more if i left it for longer

[Virtualbody1234]

Ooops&#33; The PC just fell out the window. "CRASH&#33;" http://klboard.ath.cx/html/avatars/IPB_Community_Pack/Pow.gif

[abu_has_the_power]

well. my windows are all closed when i do this. i never really tried putting my pc next to an open window yet. maybe i should. well, rite now, it&#39;s 16C. I just turned it on. my room is around 26 C -27C

i really don&#39;t know y it&#39;s so cold. the hd cooler said it&#39;ll cool 10C or something. guess Ultra doesn&#39;t lie bout these things

[Virtualbody1234]

You&#39;re still trying to say that the "Ultra" cooler is doing this?

Get real.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@10 December 2003 - 18:47
You&#39;re still trying to say that the "Ultra" cooler is doing this?

Get real.
then wat do u think is doin this? those other explainations bout space and back in time things obviously don&#39;t work. y do u think this is happening? it can&#39;t be a bad sensor, cuz i put my hand on the top, and it&#39;s cold

[Virtualbody1234]

Why don&#39;t you post a link to the "Ultra" cooler?

If it doesn&#39;t work with refrigeration then it can&#39;t be cooler than ambient.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@10 December 2003 - 18:54
Why don&#39;t you post a link to the "Ultra" cooler?

If it doesn&#39;t work with refrigeration then it can&#39;t be cooler than ambient.
this is the one i have:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/se...82&sku=U10-8100 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=561082&sku=U10-8100)

http://images.tigerdirect.com/skuimages/large/U10-8100-main.jpg

the fins arn&#39;t even metal. they&#39;re plastic

btw, i got this 4 free on a sale tigerdirect was having. it was free after rebate

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power+10 December 2003 - 19:01--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (abu_has_the_power &#064; 10 December 2003 - 19:01)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Virtualbody1234@10 December 2003 - 18:54
Why don&#39;t you post a link to the "Ultra" cooler?

If it doesn&#39;t work with refrigeration then it can&#39;t be cooler than ambient.
this is the one i have:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/se...82&sku=U10-8100 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=561082&sku=U10-8100)

http://images.tigerdirect.com/skuimages/large/U10-8100-main.jpg

the fins arn&#39;t even metal. they&#39;re plastic

btw, i got this 4 free on a sale tigerdirect was having. it was free after rebate [/b][/quote]
See. No refrigerant there, so it&#39;s impossible.

Think of it this way, abu. If your hard drive was actually colder than the air around it then the fans would blow that same warmer air onto the drive and warm it up. This cannot be the case.

[abu_has_the_power]

that&#39;s wat i&#39;m confused about too. but it did say 70% cooler or something. well, i&#39;m happy. rite now, the temp is:

http://www.freewebs.com/ihaveabu/new%20hd%20temp.JPG

http://www.freewebs.com/ihaveabu/new%20hd%20temp.JPG

[Virtualbody1234]

70% cooler than what, abu?

[clocker]

Those two little fans HAVE to be blowing directly onto whatever Maxtor is using as their temp reporter, thus skewing the readings.

If they were as efficient as your (defective) HDD monitor says I wouldn&#39;t hesitate for a second to use them on my HS. You could freeze that bad boy.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by clocker@10 December 2003 - 19:55
Those two little fans HAVE to be blowing directly onto whatever Maxtor is using as their temp reporter, thus skewing the readings.

If they were as efficient as your (defective) HDD monitor says I wouldn&#39;t hesitate for a second to use them on my HS. You could freeze that bad boy.
wat do u mean defective? i got it from the link u gave me

[Virtualbody1234]

Listen... If the drive is below ambient then the more air you blow on it the warmer it will get.


Anyway this has become completely ridiculous now.




wat do u mean defective?
Hey abu, don&#39;t you get it yet? Your readings cannot be right so there is a defect.

6 pages of this and you still don&#39;t get it? :blink: :blink: :blink:

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@10 December 2003 - 20:19
Listen... If the drive is below ambient then the more air you blow on it the warmer it will get.


Anyway this has become completely ridiculous now.
lol. i&#39;m just trying to figure this out just like u guys are. i&#39;m not braggin or anything. maybe maxtors run cooler than seagates?

[Virtualbody1234]

I&#39;m not tryng to figure this out, abu. I&#39;m trying to tell you that there is a defect.

You just won&#39;t believe it.

[abu_has_the_power]

maybe lamsey could shine some wisedom on this matter. yo lamsey, help us out here. i&#39;m just as confused about this as clocker and vb, happy, but confused

[Virtualbody1234]

i&#39;m just as confused about this as clocker and vb
I&#39;m not confused and stop saying that I am. :angry:


maybe maxtors run cooler than seagates?
This is not a competition between Seagate and Maxtor, abu.

You just aren&#39;t getting acurate readings. Something is wrong.

Of all people, abu, you should know better than questioning my knowledge.

Are you saying that Lamsey has more knowledge than me about this, abu?

BTW, the Laws of Physics are the same in Scotland, you know.

[_John_Lennon_]

So lets see, (sorry I stumbled in on this late.)

Abu has Hard drive temps that are supposdly below ambient temp, (which is the temp for the surrounding air.) He claims he is getting this, by having hard drive coolings fans, blow that ambient temperature, onto his hard drive.

Essentially , by blowing ambient air onto his hard drive, he has attained a temperature below ambient..... <_<


Abu, if I may ask, what are your thoughts on perpetual motion? :lol:

Serious though, either the temp sensor is wrong, OR, that prog u have is reading the wrong sensors, for instance, the motherboard temp shown could easily be a power supply temp, and the Hard drive temp could thus be the motherboard temp.

now, if that were true, I could believe all the temps, but thats just rediclious how it looks now.

[Spicker]

lol for sum reason i find this thread really funny mayb move it to the funny stuff section ? lol :lol: :lol:

[abu_has_the_power]

well, if my hd was the temp of my cpu and mobo, it&#39;ll be hot when i put my finger on it rite? well, it&#39;s colder than my mouse rite now.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@10 December 2003 - 20:30

i&#39;m just as confused about this as clocker and vb
I&#39;m not confused and stop saying that I am. :angry:


maybe maxtors run cooler than seagates?
This is not a competition between Seagate and Maxtor, abu.

You just aren&#39;t getting acurate readings. Something is wrong.

Of all people, abu, you should know better than questioning my knowledge.

Are you saying that Lamsey has more knowledge than me about this, abu?

BTW, the Laws of Physics are the same in Scotland, you know.
hey. chill. i&#39;m asking for the opinion of another hardware guru. i&#39;m not saying he&#39;s better than u. i just want more opinions. cuz u and clocker are certainly not reaching a conclusion. and no, the temp sensor is not messed up. that&#39;s for sure

[Rip The Jacker]

After playing my GBA emulator for about a minute and a half:

http://www.chinkii.com/uploads/album/misc/cputemp_krackhead2k.jpg

That can&#39;t be good....

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by KrackHead2k@11 December 2003 - 01:02
After playing my GBA emulator for about a minute and a half:

http://www.chinkii.com/uploads/album/misc/cputemp_krackhead2k.jpg

That can&#39;t be good....
holy shit. 80C? wow. my cpu 2 is 63 C. but i think it&#39;s a sensor error. but 49 after playing gba? wow. mine&#39;s around 42 after playing gba

[Rip The Jacker]

I had a problem a really long time ago that I kinda just ignored. When I play most games, or when my CPU is under a heavy load, my computer will freeze. I think this might be why. I was using WinRAR to zip a really big file, the temp was at 85C and still rising, I got worried and hit cancel. :(

HELP&#33;

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by KrackHead2k@11 December 2003 - 01:14
I had a problem a really long time ago that I kinda just ignored. When I play most games, or when my CPU is under a heavy load, my computer will freeze. I think this might be why. I was using WinRAR to zip a really big file, the temp was at 85C and still rising, I got worried and hit cancel. :(

HELP&#33;
do u have a hsf on ur cpu? hsf is heatsink and fan

[Rip The Jacker]

I have one CPU fan, no heatsink.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by KrackHead2k@11 December 2003 - 01:55
I have one CPU fan, no heatsink.
that&#39;s not possible. there must be something between the cpu and the fan. u mean the fan is rite next to the cpu?

[Rip The Jacker]

Yeah I think the fan is right next to the CPU. Is that a bad thing? I&#39;m a total hardware noob.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by KrackHead2k@11 December 2003 - 01:55
I have one CPU fan, no heatsink.
well, ur fan won&#39;t disappate too much heat without a hs. i think that&#39;s y ur cpu is overheating. wat&#39;s ur cpu?

wat is temp 2 and 3? change the names so they make more sense

[Rip The Jacker]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power+10 December 2003 - 22:59--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (abu_has_the_power &#064; 10 December 2003 - 22:59)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-KrackHead2k@11 December 2003 - 01:55
I have one CPU fan, no heatsink.
well, ur fan won&#39;t disappate too much heat without a hs. i think that&#39;s y ur cpu is overheating. wat&#39;s ur cpu?

wat is temp 2 and 3? change the names so they make more sense [/b][/quote]
I&#39;m on a 1.6GHz Pentium 4. I don&#39;t know what Temp 2 and 3 are exactly, so I don&#39;t know what names to put. I also think my CPU is overheating.

[clocker]

You&#39;re +/-5v look kinda wonky too...

[Kunal]

i would check temps in your bios, as speedfan says ive got a 2000c part in my pc :lol:

[lynx]

Just a little info about the hdd temp situation.

The documentation for speedfan says he doesn&#39;t completely understand the info coming from SMART. Apparently I&#39;ve got a catastrophic raw read error rate, according to speedfan. But not according to the WD diagnostics.

I would not be surprised to find that similar problems exist in his interpretation of the temp reported by the hdd, since I believe this also comes from the SMART info.

Abu, I suggest you download diagnostics from Maxtor, and see what THEY say the temp is.

[atiVidia]

nvidia guarantees all chips to their maximum threshold (depending on avg temp). max avg threshold is 130°C

funny how, no matter how hot a chip gets, it is never above the threshold&#33;

ATI: 90°C

Matrox: 120°C


nvidia cards produce more heat (explains the higher clocks)

matrox just feels like guaranteeing it that high

ATI should have pushed it higher, as its chips are on the obsolete 150nm scale, and thus, produce more heat (but they dont because ATI knows how to be efficient)

[RGX]

Just found out (via speedfan) that my fan is no longer spinning and my duron 650 is at 73 degrees centigrade....I think i will be paying a visit to the hardware shop tommorow lol

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by lynx@11 December 2003 - 15:59
Just a little info about the hdd temp situation.

The documentation for speedfan says he doesn&#39;t completely understand the info coming from SMART. Apparently I&#39;ve got a catastrophic raw read error rate, according to speedfan. But not according to the WD diagnostics.

I would not be surprised to find that similar problems exist in his interpretation of the temp reported by the hdd, since I believe this also comes from the SMART info.

Abu, I suggest you download diagnostics from Maxtor, and see what THEY say the temp is.
i can&#39;t seem to find the thing on maxtor.com. maybe provide a link lynx?


and btw, here&#39;s my temps now (just turned it on)
http://www.freewebs.com/ihaveabu/newest%20temp.JPG

http://www.freewebs.com/ihaveabu/newest%20temp.JPG

i&#39;m guessing since everyone&#39;s having probs, it might be wrong. but then, the hd prog that clocker gave me gives the same temps

[fuzzyrick]

Originally posted by _John_Lennon_@11 December 2003 - 02:20
So lets see, (sorry I stumbled in on this late.)

Abu has Hard drive temps that are supposdly below ambient temp, (which is the temp for the surrounding air.) He claims he is getting this, by having hard drive coolings fans, blow that ambient temperature, onto his hard drive.

Essentially , by blowing ambient air onto his hard drive, he has attained a temperature below ambient..... <_<


Abu, if I may ask, what are your thoughts on perpetual motion? :lol:

Serious though, either the temp sensor is wrong, OR, that prog u have is reading the wrong sensors, for instance, the motherboard temp shown could easily be a power supply temp, and the Hard drive temp could thus be the motherboard temp.

now, if that were true, I could believe all the temps, but thats just rediclious how it looks now.
hello

This topic is all over the place :o john what type of case are you using and how many fans? My 2500+ will go that fast but I can&#39;t keep it under 60C at full load? I know amd says your safe up to 90 but over sixty things start crashin... :unsure:

[_John_Lennon_]

Progs shouldnt really start crashing at X temperature, but i think maybe it might just freeze at a certain point.

And also, I have one 2300RPM intake on the lower front of my case, one LED 2700 Exhaust in the back, and stock AMD cooling HS/F. And the PSU fan of course.

Also, I am using some thermal paste that I got from my dad. ^_^ He is a food service technician. *works at restaurants fixing equipment, so he had some lying around.

It never goes above 60 now.

Crappy webcam pic of it, its a bit dark in here.

http://www.freewebs.com/ashesofyouth/Inside%20of%20case.JPG



@ Abu Thanks for showing that freeweb pic, looks like a good place to host pics, how is your expereince with it?

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by _John_Lennon_@11 December 2003 - 18:55
Progs shouldnt really start crashing at X temperature, but i think maybe it might just freeze at a certain point.

And also, I have one 2300RPM intake on the lower front of my case, one LED 2700 Exhaust in the back, and stock AMD cooling HS/F. And the PSU fan of course.

Also, I am using some thermal paste that I got from my dad. ^_^ He is a food service technician. *works at restaurants fixing equipment, so he had some lying around.

It never goes above 60 now.

Crappy webcam pic of it, its a bit dark in here.

http://www.freewebs.com/ashesofyouth/Inside%20of%20case.JPG



@ Abu Thanks for showing that freeweb pic, looks like a good place to host pics, how is your expereince with it?
so far so good. kinda slow when downloading something big, but it&#39;s a reliable pic hoster

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by lynx@11 December 2003 - 15:59
Just a little info about the hdd temp situation.

The documentation for speedfan says he doesn&#39;t completely understand the info coming from SMART. Apparently I&#39;ve got a catastrophic raw read error rate, according to speedfan. But not according to the WD diagnostics.

I would not be surprised to find that similar problems exist in his interpretation of the temp reported by the hdd, since I believe this also comes from the SMART info.

Abu, I suggest you download diagnostics from Maxtor, and see what THEY say the temp is.
hey lynx, think u can give me the link to this maxtor temp reader? i can&#39;t find it on their site

[clocker]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@11 December 2003 - 15:50


i&#39;m guessing since everyone&#39;s having probs, it might be wrong. but then, the hd prog that clocker gave me gives the same temps
Abu, I don&#39;t think that the programs are at fault.
I believe that you cooler rig is artificially affecting whatever component that SMART is using to monitor the temps.
The programs are correctly reporting flawed sensor input.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by clocker+11 December 2003 - 20:51--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 11 December 2003 - 20:51)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@11 December 2003 - 15:50


i&#39;m guessing since everyone&#39;s having probs, it might be wrong. but then, the hd prog that clocker gave me gives the same temps
Abu, I don&#39;t think that the programs are at fault.
I believe that you cooler rig is artificially affecting whatever component that SMART is using to monitor the temps.
The programs are correctly reporting flawed sensor input. [/b][/quote]
well, if u mean that the fans are blowing rite on the sensor, wouldn&#39;t that mean the they&#39;re blowing ambient air of 25C?

if they&#39;re blowing ambient air to the sensor, wouldn&#39;t that make the temp high? plus, this is a new hd, so i doubt the sensor is broken. as i said b4, i put my hand on it, and it&#39;s pretty cold. colder than the room temp for sure

[lynx]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power+12 December 2003 - 00:26--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (abu_has_the_power @ 12 December 2003 - 00:26)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-lynx@11 December 2003 - 15:59
Just a little info about the hdd temp situation.

The documentation for speedfan says he doesn&#39;t completely understand the info coming from SMART. Apparently I&#39;ve got a catastrophic raw read error rate, according to speedfan. But not according to the WD diagnostics.

I would not be surprised to find that similar problems exist in his interpretation of the temp reported by the hdd, since I believe this also comes from the SMART info.

Abu, I suggest you download diagnostics from Maxtor, and see what THEY say the temp is.
hey lynx, think u can give me the link to this maxtor temp reader? i can&#39;t find it on their site [/b][/quote]
You&#39;ll notice i said I&#39;ve got a WD drive.

I looked on Maxtor&#39;s site and found - nothing. What&#39;s the point of having a drive with these extra capabilities and then giving you no software to use them?

Another reason to buy/avoid a particular manufacturer - look at their support.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by lynx+12 December 2003 - 09:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lynx @ 12 December 2003 - 09:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@12 December 2003 - 00:26
<!--QuoteBegin-lynx@11 December 2003 - 15:59
Just a little info about the hdd temp situation.

The documentation for speedfan says he doesn&#39;t completely understand the info coming from SMART. Apparently I&#39;ve got a catastrophic raw read error rate, according to speedfan. But not according to the WD diagnostics.

I would not be surprised to find that similar problems exist in his interpretation of the temp reported by the hdd, since I believe this also comes from the SMART info.

Abu, I suggest you download diagnostics from Maxtor, and see what THEY say the temp is.
hey lynx, think u can give me the link to this maxtor temp reader? i can&#39;t find it on their site
You&#39;ll notice i said I&#39;ve got a WD drive.

I looked on Maxtor&#39;s site and found - nothing. What&#39;s the point of having a drive with these extra capabilities and then giving you no software to use them?

Another reason to buy/avoid a particular manufacturer - look at their support. [/b][/quote]
ok. my next pc will be a seagate or wd for sure. but i&#39;ll still keep this. so i&#39;d have hmm..., 2 120gb and a 30gb. and maybe another 120gb. i&#39;ll need ot get a raid controller for 4 hds

[clocker]

Abu, you may be interested in this.
It just so happens that I have a HDD cooler very similar to yours.
Weeks ago I had modified it to accept a 80mm fan on a 80 to 60mm fan adaptor.
So it now has one 50mm fan and one 80mm fan.
As installed, it is pulling fresh exterior air through the case floor.
I also left the heatpipe cooler in place where any heat rising off of it is evacuated by the two front casefans.
Like so...
http://server4.uploadit.org/files2/121203-mini-HDD%20MOD4.JPG
Ambient case temp is 26.1C
http://server4.uploadit.org/files2/121203-HDD%20MOD3.jpg

Odd, eh?

[abu_has_the_power]

even more odd:

http://www.freewebs.com/ihaveabu/newest%20temp.JPG

http://www.freewebs.com/ihaveabu/newest%20temp.JPG

guess i was wrong. but rite now, my room temp is 20C

[Virtualbody1234]

What is it with this obsession to cool down your HD?

Without any extra cooling than normal case airflow, my drive(s) run around 28C.

Aren&#39;t you just making more noise and adding more load to the PS for nothing?

Well actually 28.172 C. http://server4.uploadit.org/files2/121203-hddtemp.gif

:)

[abu_has_the_power]

this is really amazing. i&#39;m flabergasted (love that word :lol: )
http://www.freewebs.com/ihaveabu/amazing%20temps.JPG

http://www.freewebs.com/ihaveabu/amazing%20temps.JPG

and no, i didn&#39;t edit the pic. but i&#39;m amazed too. but my room is freezing. it&#39;s like 15-20C in here. brrrrr...

[_John_Lennon_]

Okay, I think I just noticed something.

The motherboard is 27C.
The Hard drive is 10C.

Guess what?

ITS RAINING IN YOUR CASE.

I mean honestly, shouldnt a person with temps that different be getting some kind of condensation in there or something?