15 Children / 1 Family

[JONNO_CELEBS]

I'm watching a tv programe about a family in the UK which have 17 members.

Mum, Dad and 15 kids.

I am finding this absolutly disgraceful, this is just not right and should never have happend.
It's unfair on the kids, there are 8 y/o's doing things that you would expect of a 15 y/o, everything costs a fortune, eg: Day trip to a farm = £200

These kids don't get pocket money, they can't get things they would like or want.

This is just my opinion but I find it totally atrocious :angry:

Jonno B)

[DWk]

nothing strange in my country.... for example, the person that fixes the garden...uhhh the gardener.... he has 29 kids...

:( poor kids

[JONNO_CELEBS]

It pathetic and tantamount to cruel <_<

This prog is showing all the happy moments and the parents are saying they love it, I would like to see camara&#39;s Big Brother style for 2 weeks, then you&#39;ll see the REAL life&#39;s <_<

I&#39;m actually wound up by this.

Sorry if I offend anyone

Jonno B)

[namzuf9]

Yeah me missus is watching that and I&#39;ve gotta kinda agree with you Jonno.
But its possible to be just as poor with only 2 kids.

[Gemby!]

people shouldn&#39;t have so many kids - the poor kids might not remember who is who &#33; :lol:

[FuNkY CaPrIcOrN]

<_< There should be a Law in all Countries.2 Kids and thats it.

I have a Cousin and I am not going to tell you how many Kids she has and how they live.

We are too over populated. :(

[Gemby!]

Originally posted by FuNkY CaPrIcOrN@16 December 2003 - 22:00
<_< There should be a Law in all Countries.2 Kids and thats it.

I have a Cousin and I am not going to tell you how many Kids she has and how they live.

We are too over populated. :(
can we make it 3 kids - if that was an actual law i wouldn&#39;t be alive :(

[Snee]

I&#39;m not offended, but your spelling and vocabulary today has left me slightly flummoxed :blink:

What the matter, are you on drugs or something? I can hardly find an error. :huh:

In other words, I think you said what you said rather well. :)

15 children is 2-3 three times the acceptable amount of children you can raise without neglect, unless, of course you happen to be so rich, that you can simply hire an army to to help you with child-care .

[DWk]

lol....

heres the reason why ppl have so many kids (at least over here in Guatemala)...

its cuz parents that are poor need ppl workin....so they have kids so they can contribute with the house....

[bujub22]

my girl her uncle has 36 or 46 kids I cant remember but he lives in the u.s.

[JONNO_CELEBS]

@Nam.........Dude it does&#39;nt matter about money so much, the family are fairly well off and the kids do live healthy.

But it&#39;s unfair.

@FC........Exactly, there are countries where a law has been passed about the number of kids allowed per family.

The most shocking thing of the prog was just a minute ago, the Dad said that the Mum did&#39;nt get pregnant for 6 months at one point and acused him of having a secret vasectomy :angry:

I&#39;m sorry, I&#39;m keeping calm but man I&#39;m so wound up over this.

Jonno B)

Edit: @Sunny.....Heh no dude I&#39;m same as normal just brain is actually working tonight :rolleyes: :lol:

[Sid Hartha]

Originally posted by FuNkY CaPrIcOrN@16 December 2003 - 22:00
<_< There should be a Law in all Countries.2 Kids and thats it.
Like in China? I believe two&#39;s the limit.
And only one can be a girl (they&#39;re not considered worth as much to society). :(

[Gemby!]

your girl uncle ?? he had a sex change ?

[TheDave]

in the past and in poor countries loads of kids was so there was still some left to grow up. now in the west this is just causing problems. soon there wont be enough food or jobs to go around :(

[Gemby!]

what channel is this on ?

[JONNO_CELEBS]

It&#39;s just finished Gems.

Just dumbfounded, absolutly apauling <_<

Jonno B)

[namzuf9]

Poor kids. I suppose when you think about it, they surely cant recieve all the love and attention growing children need.

@Jonno Yeah I did&#39;nt think you were talking about the finacal side of things but thats gotta come into it somewhere. Did&#39;nt he only earn £30,000 a year. Its not a hell of a lot considering the size of the family.

[Gemby!]

im watching show about boy and donating livers

my docter was on there &#33;&#33;&#33; :D

[JONNO_CELEBS]

@Nam......Yeah it does come into it, I missed how much he earned, I caught either 90 or 19 grand per year but not sure.

Another thing that got me was the food...........chips most nights??........thats not good, I love junk food but I eat thru my choice, kids need good food not shit.
She also said she has no time for fussy eaters so (Qoute) "If one of them is vegetarian we will sypathise but they will eat what their given"
WTF???......Surly thats a cause for the RSPCC?
Also they all get the same meal and have to eat it whether they like it or not, if they don&#39;t like it they don&#39;t eat&#33;

And the last thing she said was "I keep saying , this one&#39;s the last. But I don&#39;t think it will be"

That means she wants more :o :angry:

Jonno B)

[bigboab]

Jonno when I was young the average family was about 8. My father was married twice and I think he had a total of about twenty four children, if you count the amount that died at childbirth in those days. You are right about the love aspect, mothers and fathers with large families single out favourites and the rest are left to get on with it. I am speaking from my experience.

I was left to get on with. I am seeking love now. :rolleyes:

[Formula1]

Originally posted by Sid Hartha+16 December 2003 - 22:05--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sid Hartha @ 16 December 2003 - 22:05)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-FuNkY CaPrIcOrN@16 December 2003 - 22:00
<_<&nbsp; There should be a Law in all Countries.2 Kids and thats it.
Like in China? I believe two&#39;s the limit.
And only one can be a girl (they&#39;re not considered worth as much to society). :( [/b][/quote]
its not 2 it one child perfamily in china

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Awww I luv ya BB ;) :)

I realise each to their own and this is not an isolated case by any means but the way it was portrade on the show by these people was just so false.
Never an argument??.......She does&#39;nt get stressed??..........Bullshit&#33;

Any mother out there whether you have 1 child or 50, post in here and tell me swearing on your childs life that you do not get stressed at some point&#33;

I&#39;m not saying these people don&#39;t love their kids, would never sugest that but I will sggest that these kids cannot possibly have a normal upbringing, sharing a room with 4 or 5 siblings??.......No sorry thats not right, not in this country not in a civilised world.

Jonno B)

[dwightfry]

Years ago it was very comment to have several kids, my dad is 1 of 10. But now days, I agree. That is WAY to many kids.

Which brings me to a court show I saw once. This guy had 41 children. 2 with his wife which he was getting divorced from, and the other 39 each had a different mother. He had impregnated at least 40 women. He only actually married the last one. He claimed he was a good father to all of them. Even if he wanted to spend 1 full day a month with each of them, he couldn&#39;t. He isn&#39;t even rich. He made a less then &#036;20,000 a year. The judge made him pay child support for his wives 2 kids and started complaining about how he can&#39;t afford to pay any child support. Now that is sick.

[namzuf9]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@16 December 2003 - 23:21
Another thing that got me was the food...........chips most nights??........thats not good, I love junk food but I eat thru my choice, kids need good food not shit.
She also said she has no time for fussy eaters so (Qoute) "If one of them is vegetarian we will sypathise but they will eat what their given"
WTF???......Surly thats a cause for the RSPCC?
Also they all get the same meal and have to eat it whether they like it or not, if they don&#39;t like it they don&#39;t eat&#33;

Now that is totally messed up and makes me angry. I could never do that to my kids. All right I do have to force me boy to eat his veg sometimes (as I imagine all parents do) but to make them eat or go hungry is just wrong.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by Formula1+16 December 2003 - 21:28--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Formula1 @ 16 December 2003 - 21:28)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Sid Hartha@16 December 2003 - 22:05
<!--QuoteBegin-FuNkY CaPrIcOrN@16 December 2003 - 22:00
<_<&nbsp; There should be a Law in all Countries.2 Kids and thats it.
Like in China? I believe two&#39;s the limit.
And only one can be a girl (they&#39;re not considered worth as much to society). :(
its not 2 it one child perfamily in china [/b][/quote]
yeah, it&#39;s only one
also, the reason that some families kill the daughters is because when the daughter grows up and marries, she has to leave the parents alone.
so the parents think it fit to kill the daughters

[bigboab]

Originally posted by Formula1+16 December 2003 - 22:28--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Formula1 @ 16 December 2003 - 22:28)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Sid Hartha@16 December 2003 - 22:05
<!--QuoteBegin-FuNkY CaPrIcOrN@16 December 2003 - 22:00
<_< There should be a Law in all Countries.2 Kids and thats it.
Like in China? I believe two&#39;s the limit.
And only one can be a girl (they&#39;re not considered worth as much to society). :(
its not 2 it one child perfamily in china [/b][/quote]
It is changed days in China. At one time it was cheaper to give you family allowance for every child that you didn&#39;t have. :lol:

[JONNO_CELEBS]

@dwightfry.........Yeah I remember seeing that or something similar, good father but did&#39;nt know all their names <_<

@Nam.........I&#39;m not sure she would actually let them starve but the threat was very aparent and she did basically say that if one was a Vegetarian that she would make them eat what their given <_<

She wonders around smiling and all "Ooo look at me I&#39;ve got 15 kids" and everyone is like.....you heartless cow <_<
And the bloke just sat there gormless :rolleyes:

A holiday to a "Holiday Camp" staying in caravans and spending most of the time in the arcades.......= £3000 + , £80 in the arcade in 3 hours?? :o :o They hired a couch for f*cks sake :unsure:

Jonno B)

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@16 December 2003 - 21:36
she did basically say that if one was a Vegetarian that she would make them eat what their given <_<
as far as i&#39;m concerned the kid could spin if they wanted to be a vegetarian

if the family is already hard up for cash, why should the child wish to cost even more?

[namzuf9]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@16 December 2003 - 23:36
@Nam.........I&#39;m not sure she would actually let them starve but the threat was very aparent and she did basically say that if one was a Vegetarian that she would make them eat what their given <_<



Obviously not so much starve but go hungry or the threat of going hungry is&#39;nt very nice.

[Gemby!]

wouldn&#39;t the kid be cheaper - only feed them veg - meat is pricey &#33;

[namzuf9]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+16 December 2003 - 23:38--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 16 December 2003 - 23:38)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JONNO_CELEBS@16 December 2003 - 21:36
she did basically say that if one was a Vegetarian that she would make them eat what their given <_<
as far as i&#39;m concerned the kid could spin if they wanted to be a vegetarian

if the family is already hard up for cash, why should the child wish to cost even more? [/b][/quote]
Yeah but they would&#39;nt be so hard up for cash if they did&#39;nt have so many kids. <_<

[bigboab]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+16 December 2003 - 22:38--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 16 December 2003 - 22:38)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JONNO_CELEBS@16 December 2003 - 21:36
she did basically say that if one was a Vegetarian that she would make them eat what their given <_<
as far as i&#39;m concerned the kid could spin if they wanted to be a vegetarian

if the family is already hard up for cash, why should the child wish to cost even more? [/b][/quote]
Surely the kid could just take extra vegetables instead of meat. I am sure that would be cheaper in the long run.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by namzuf9@16 December 2003 - 21:44
Yeah but they would&#39;nt be so hard up for cash if they did&#39;nt have so many kids. <_<
i think that&#39;s rather obvious, but it&#39;s harder to kill a child (and highly illegal) than it is to feed them all the same food (at discounted prices?)

[Gemby!]

buy asda smartprice i say &#33;

and its obvious these parents shouldn&#39;t be having so many kids - someone give em the snip ;)

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by gemby&#33;@16 December 2003 - 21:47
buy asda smartprice i say &#33;

and its obvious these parents shouldn&#39;t be having so many kids - someone give em the snip ;)
do we have the right to say that it&#39;s &#39;obvious&#39; they shouldn&#39;t be having so many kids?

[namzuf9]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+16 December 2003 - 23:46--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 16 December 2003 - 23:46)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-namzuf9@16 December 2003 - 21:44
Yeah but they would&#39;nt be so hard up for cash if they did&#39;nt have so many kids. <_<
i think that&#39;s rather obvious, but it&#39;s harder to kill a child (and highly illegal) than it is to feed them all the same food (at discounted prices?) [/b][/quote]
Yes but the point is she shouldnt of had so many kids in the first place.


I cant believe the weekly shopping list she reeled off, 36 toilet rolls?
Damn I hate to last in the queue for the bog in that house :blink:

[JONNO_CELEBS]

I think we need a vegetarian to post in here on this topic and give their views.

Gen, I have gathered that you know Lamsey IRL, ask him what he thinks.

You cannot force a child to eat something they really do not want to eat, I have a friend who&#39;s mother was a foster parent, had many different kids thru the 60&#39;s and 70&#39;s, 1 story my friend told me was a young girl of 6 y/o was staying with them who was a vegetarian, she was physically forced to eat meat.........after dinner she would go to the toilet and throw up.
So surly that is far far worse than letting the child eat what they can?

Jonno B)

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by namzuf9@16 December 2003 - 21:49
Yes but the point is she shouldnt of had so many kids in the first place.
yes, and my point was that now that they&#39;ve had the kids, there&#39;s no point in saying "well, if you never had so many in the first place..."

it reminds me of the saying "it&#39;s like opening the barn door after the horse has been burnt to death" :)

[Gemby!]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+16 December 2003 - 22:48--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 16 December 2003 - 22:48)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gemby&#33;@16 December 2003 - 21:47
buy asda smartprice i say &#33;

and its obvious these parents shouldn&#39;t be having so many kids - someone give em the snip ;)
do we have the right to say that it&#39;s &#39;obvious&#39; they shouldn&#39;t be having so many kids? [/b][/quote]
i mean it in the nicest way possible :P :) and i also mean obviously in my opinion

and jonno - one is posting

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@16 December 2003 - 21:49
I think we need a vegetarian to post in here on this topic and give their views.

Gen, I have gathered that you know Lamsey IRL, ask him what he thinks.

You cannot force a child to eat something they really do not want to eat, I have a friend who&#39;s mother was a foster parent, had many different kids thru the 60&#39;s and 70&#39;s, 1 story my friend told me was a young girl of 6 y/o was staying with them who was a vegetarian, she was physically forced to eat meat.........after dinner she would go to the toilet and throw up.
So surly that is far far worse than letting the child eat what they can?

Jonno B)
i&#39;d like to know what the child&#39;s reasons for being a vegetarian were

[Gemby!]

maybe the child didnt like the thought of animal cruelty - im sure that the child wouldn&#39;t do that just for the fun of it &#33;

[namzuf9]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+16 December 2003 - 23:51--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 16 December 2003 - 23:51)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-namzuf9@16 December 2003 - 21:49
Yes but the point is she shouldnt of had so many kids in the first place.
yes, and my point was that now that they&#39;ve had the kids, there&#39;s no point in saying "well, if you never had so many in the first place..."

it reminds me of the saying "it&#39;s like opening the barn door after the horse has been burnt to death" :) [/b][/quote]
Yes but having kids is a big and serious responsibility. The financial and social implications should be considered before planning a family. Even more so if you want a family of 15 or more kids.

Lol @ that saying

[JONNO_CELEBS]

@Gems.........You a vegetarian?.........Good, right I would like to ask you a question, seriously.

If you were told you had to eat what you were given and the meal consisted of
Meat (pork, beef etc)
Chips
Eggs
Peas

What would you eat?

And could you eat meat?

Jonno B)

Edit @Nam........I guess you&#39;re a father dude, and therefore your post there makes 100% sense :)
Gen I figure you&#39;re at uni and around 20 y/o with no kids, therefore your point will and can be argued against for the simple fact that 1 child can be an accident, 15 is not, that is planned and if you cannot afford to feed them well, you don&#39;t have them.

[Gemby!]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@16 December 2003 - 22:54
@Gems.........You a vegetarian?.........Good, right I would like to ask you a question, seriously.

If you were told you had to eat what you were given and the meal consisted of
Meat (pork, beef etc)
Chips
Eggs
Peas

What would you eat?

And could you eat meat?

Jonno B)
i wouldn&#39;t do it but i would eat the rest of the meal besides the meat thing because its not a meat and so it wont affect me :)

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by gemby&#33;@16 December 2003 - 21:57
i wouldn&#39;t do it but i would eat the rest of the meal besides the meat thing because its not a meat and so it wont affect me :)
have you ever eaten meat in your life, gemby?

[Gemby!]

yes but i decided not to about a year ago

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by gemby&#33;@16 December 2003 - 22:00
yes but i decided not to about a year ago
what were your reasons for stopping, if you don&#39;t mind me asking?

[Gemby!]

not at all

i didnt like the killing of animals and also its more healthy for me

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by gemby&#33;@16 December 2003 - 22:03
not at all

i didnt like the killing of animals and also its more healthy for me
why exactly is it more healthy for you?
do you think that if your family could only provide you with meat that you could eat it?

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Therefore if Gems was part of that family she would be getting half a meal each day&#33;

Very healthy, Chips, eggs and peas <_<

Jonno B)

[Gemby!]

but my family is an average size so they can and even if they were not that well off i would still be a veggie as im probably the cheapest to provide for in the family because i dont eat meat

however i usually end up eating what most of my family eat cos either half of it is veggie and i can eat it or there is just no meat in it at all - like my dads pasta :)

[NikkiD]

Let me just interject here for a moment.

I do have to agree - having that many children is appalling, I have trouble keeping up with the ones I have, I don&#39;t know how anyone can keep up with that many kids and say that they each receive enough love, attention and caring. It&#39;s just not feasible.

However, when it comes to meals, I am a firm believer that my kids will eat what I cook. I don&#39;t cook separate meals because the kids don&#39;t want to eat what they&#39;re given. I&#39;m not talking about force feeding them, but the food is there, and if they&#39;re hungry they&#39;ll eat it. Most of the time it isn&#39;t a problem, my oldest is picky at times - but he also knows how to fry an egg, or make a box of mac and cheese if he doesn&#39;t want what I&#39;ve cooked, so he&#39;s not going to starve if he doesn&#39;t want to eat stuffed peppers or something. Point is, I don&#39;t run a restaurant. The only time this rule does not apply is if it is because of a food allergy, but thankfully, so far, the kids haven&#39;t any.

I do know the foods the kids don&#39;t like, and I try not to make those as often - like say, liver, I love it, but one of my kids doesn&#39;t, so I make it once a month or so - when it&#39;s infrequent, it&#39;s not a big deal, and he picks away at it.

My stepkids who stay with us on weekends, don&#39;t like this rule much, their mother does cook around them - some days cooking three separate meals, one for herself, one for her daughter, and one for her son - sorry but this is ridiculous. I have neither the time, nor the patience for it, and I don&#39;t believe in spoiling children with anything but affection. They&#39;re adapting, my stepson didn&#39;t like ANYTHING before, but now eats almost everything I cook with gusto.

[DWk]

amen couldnt agree more... i was raised the way u are raisin ur children... gj :)

[Lilmiss]

I was raised by my Grandparents. I ate what was plated for me, because thats all there was. It got boring eating the same old stuff, but I never starved and was always clothed and loved. (but thank god I dont have to suffer pease pudding anymore&#33; ;) )

Having so many children is selfish, you cant devote enough time to each of them, and obviously they suffer in the long run. :(

Ive been a vegetarian for over 12 years now, and now Im pregnant Im seriously thinking of eating meat again for babies sake.

[bigboab]

Originally posted by lilmiss@16 December 2003 - 23:48
Ive been a vegetarian for over 12 years now, and now Im pregnant Im seriously thinking of eating meat again for babies sake. [/color]
I think that is very thoughtful of you Lilmiss, not many people would be as caring as that. ;) Though I am sure you will get critics. :(

[JONNO_CELEBS]

@Nikki.......erm.....yeah but you totally missed my point :rolleyes:
I agree with what you and millions of parents do, I had to eat what I was given but this woman on tv said even if one of her children was vegetarian it would be tough luck, therefore rather than a minor adjustment to 1 meal (eg: instead of cooking 30 beef burgers, cooking 28 beefburgers and 2 vegie burgers) that would not be any trouble. I just thought it was a heartless thing to say, basically ignoring a childs beliefs.
Sowwee, you&#39;ll forgive me I&#39;m sure :)

@lilmiss......Thats very considerate of you, big respect for thinking to do something like that :)
Heh you don&#39;t like Peas Pudding Hot? :lol:

Jonno B)

[namzuf9]

In my household I do like to cater for everyone. If I put a meal in front of my kids an they dont want to eat it because they dont fancy it and it is just fusiness then its a case of "tough, dont eat it but no dessert" but I would not serve them something that I know they dont like. I would be pissed if I was forced to eat peas and mushrooms (the only food I can think of that I dont like&#33;) and I would prefer to go hungry.
What I like to do with my kids is give them a day in the week where they can choose what I cook them (within reason, I dont like too much junkfood) and I encourage them to try new things. It can be a pain to cater for all their tastes at times (I work an 8 1/2 hour day and do most of the cooking in my house) but I am in the postion to be able to provide that for my kids.
I was brought up with an older brother, by my mother who was a single parent and in a lot of debt (through no fault of her own bless her) so I know the feeling of eating what you are given. I suppose that influences the way I am now.

I&#39;m not saying that your wrong Nikki (we all have different ways of parenting) thats just the way I do things.
Obviously you would&#39;nt force one of your kiddies to eat meat if they really wanted to be veggies (I assume)


@Lilmiss Make sure you get plenty of Iron in your diet. See you GP for advice on healthy eating while preggers it is still possibe to stay veggie with the correct supplements and diet.

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Nam..........do you realise you and me are 2 of the biggest piss heads here, yet we&#39;re making sense :unsure: Kinda scary :ph34r:

But I would like to say just for piece of mind, all I&#39;ve posted is just my opinion, I&#39;m not a parent, I don&#39;t think I&#39;m really fit to be one so I&#39;m not going to tell any parent how to look after their child, I have no right to do that&#33;
I just know what I saw that woman say and do was (IMO) wrong and those kids have a small chance at a normal life (whatever that might be) but they should not be squashed in like baterry hens, I just don&#39;t think it&#39;s right.

Jonno B)

[namzuf9]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@17 December 2003 - 01:17
Nam..........do you realise you and me are 2 of the biggest piss heads here, yet we&#39;re making sense :unsure: Kinda scary :ph34r:

But I would like to say just for piece of mind, all I&#39;ve posted is just my opinion, I&#39;m not a parent, I don&#39;t think I&#39;m really fit to be one so I&#39;m not going to tell any parent how to look after their child, I have no right to do that&#33;
I just know what I saw that woman say and do was (IMO) wrong and those kids have a small chance at a normal life (whatever that might be) but they should not be squashed in like baterry hens, I just don&#39;t think it&#39;s right.

Jonno B)
Well said Jonno, we have a right to an opinion and we had a disscusion in the lounge without any insults. Does&#39;nt that make a nice change poophead? :rolleyes:

Oh and dont do the parent it thing, it seriously cuts down on your drinking time :angry:

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Yeah, just goes to show does&#39;nt it..........wonder how this thread would have gone with different members :unsure:

And I would&#39;nt worry about me being a dad, something tells me that ain&#39;t never gonna happen....

Jonno B)

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by namzuf9@16 December 2003 - 23:23
Well said Jonno, we have a right to an opinion and we had a disscusion in the lounge without any insults. Does&#39;nt that make a nice change poophead? :rolleyes:
i was on my best behaviour because there&#39;s a young lady present... :rolleyes:

[bigboab]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@17 December 2003 - 00:26
And I would&#39;nt worry about me being a dad, something tells me that ain&#39;t never gonna happen....


I seem to remember saying somethin similar at your age Jonno. Look at me now. :lol:

[JONNO_CELEBS]

@Gen.......I noticed you did&#39;nt do your song :lol:

@BB..........Believe me, it&#39;s different...

Jonno B)

[Lilmiss]

Hey Jonno&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:
Im the biggest boozer in here.......ok, not at the mo. :(


Thank Namzuf, but Im gonna be forcing the kid to eat meat anyway, so Im gonna have to get used to it. Be a lil hypocritical not too.
I know you can get the right supplements, but if the body is telling you to do something, you should really listen to it.

[namzuf9]

Originally posted by lilmiss@17 December 2003 - 01:34
Thank Namzuf, but Im gonna be forcing the kid to eat meat anyway, so Im gonna have to get used to it. Be a lil hypocritical not too.
I know you can get the right supplements, but if the body is telling you to do something, you should really listen to it.
Ok just dont eat coal. I knew a girl once who ate coal and chalk when she was pregnant :x

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Originally posted by lilmiss@17 December 2003 - 00:34
Hey Jonno&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:
Im the biggest boozer in here.......ok, not at the mo. :(


I have videos to prove you wrong :lol:

Jonno B)

[namzuf9]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS+17 December 2003 - 01:43--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JONNO_CELEBS @ 17 December 2003 - 01:43)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-lilmiss@17 December 2003 - 00:34
Hey Jonno&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&nbsp; :angry:
Im the biggest boozer in here.......ok, not at the mo.&nbsp; :(


I have videos to prove you wrong :lol:

Jonno B) [/b][/quote]
I&#39;m going to have to ask for evidence of this :blink:

[Lilmiss]

:D :P I have battle scars to prove your video&#39;s wrong. :blink:


No cravings for chalk since I was 17yr old, and wanted to make an abstract picture with spit and coloured chalks. I was a lil intoxicated at the time.

I cant get enough banana&#39;s, jacket potatoes and vanilla milkshakes though.
mmmmm......milkshake.

/goes to mooch in the fridge. :unsure:

[namzuf9]

Originally posted by lilmiss@17 December 2003 - 01:52

I cant get enough banana&#39;s, jacket potatoes and vanilla milkshakes though.
mmmmm......milkshake.
What, on the same plate? :huh:

Oh oh me got big scars too and I filmed me getting em B)

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Originally posted by namzuf9@17 December 2003 - 00:48

I&#39;m going to have to ask for evidence of this :blink:
PROOF&#33;&#33; (http://www.ukforums.org.uk/index.php?showtopic=301)

You asked :lol: In case you don&#39;t know, I&#39;m the one on the right..........or the LOUD one :lol: :lol:

@lilmiss........I got no scars, me no fight :)

Jonno B)

[Lilmiss]

Originally posted by namzuf9@17 December 2003 - 00:54
What, on the same plate? :huh:


:D Not the milkshake. :P
My boyfriend made me a full veggie fry up a few weeks ago, and poured milk all over it&#33; Gross. <_<


(mine were never filmed, but I did have my tooth badly chipped when a drunk mate slapped the base of my beer bottle when I was taking a swig. That was the same night I had my head rammed off a hand dryer, in my local. :huh: )

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Originally posted by lilmiss@17 December 2003 - 01:02

(mine were never filmed, but I did have my tooth badly chipped when a drunk mate slapped the base of my beer bottle when I was taking a swig. That was the same night I had my head rammed off a hand dryer, in my local. :huh: ) [/color]
And people ask me why I don&#39;t go to the pub :(

I got a permanent limp after kicking a steel railing and busting the top of my foot, I got a lump on my forehead from 2 mates slamming me head first to the concrete to stop me fighting and I have less friends than I used to cos I was a c**t :(
In the words of Billy the kid "You ask me if I got scars........yes sir, I have my scars"............and a video :D :lol:

Ooo btw lilmiss, I sang you a song :) DJ DJ :)

DJ DJ / Jonno (http://www.cooljonno.co.uk/stream/djdj33.mp3) :)

Jonno B)

[namzuf9]

I got 2 huge burn scars on my right leg. I was burning a load of crap in a bin in my garden and had a few (too many) beers with a mate. We got this great idea of playing with fire and i burnt my leg trying to straddle the bin naked :o
I really must get round to putting that on the net its proper funny.

@Jonno What do I need to watch an asf file, winamp dont want to play it

[NikkiD]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@16 December 2003 - 19:04
@Nikki.......erm.....yeah but you totally missed my point :rolleyes:
I agree with what you and millions of parents do, I had to eat what I was given but this woman on tv said even if one of her children was vegetarian it would be tough luck, therefore rather than a minor adjustment to 1 meal (eg: instead of cooking 30 beef burgers, cooking 28 beefburgers and 2 vegie burgers) that would not be any trouble. I just thought it was a heartless thing to say, basically ignoring a childs beliefs.
Sowwee, you&#39;ll forgive me I&#39;m sure :)

@lilmiss......Thats very considerate of you, big respect for thinking to do something like that :)
Heh you don&#39;t like Peas Pudding Hot? :lol:

Jonno B)
I didn&#39;t miss your point, that&#39;s exactly what I&#39;m talking about. First of all, it depends on the age of the child - I don&#39;t think that a 6 year old is old enough to decide that they are going to be a vegetarian, in which case, yes I would say tough luck. A child that is old enough to decide that&#39;s what they want, is also old enough to cook their own meals in such a case. If it&#39;s as simple as substituting a veggie burger, sure, but when I make lasagna for example - I&#39;m not making a second whole lasagna without meat for one kid, when everyone else wants it with meat.

[JONNO_CELEBS]

@Nam....If you left click it should open your media player, buffer then stream :)
You can&#39;t d/l it as the link is just a trigger file :)

If that does&#39;nt work, open Windows Media Player
Tools
Options
File Types
And check "ASF" :)

Jonno B)

Edit : @Nikki.........Thats exactly the difference between a wonderful mum like you and the woman on tv, she did&#39;nt cook Lasagnia or anything like that, it was chips almost every day with either Chicken nuggets, burgers, sausages or fishcakes.
THAT&#39;S my problem with her <_<

[namzuf9]

@NikkiD I could&#39;nt agree with you more

@Jonno Dude you look lashed. I really must get round to joining that forum of yours.

Edit I&#39;m outta beer :( Catch up with you all tomorrow. Night

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Heh yeah maybe went a bit heavy on the shandy :lol:

Well I ain&#39;t outta beer but I am outta energy so I&#39;m out too B)

Night

Jonno B)

[Arm]

Originally posted by gemby&#33;@16 December 2003 - 22:00
people shouldn&#39;t have so many kids
:ph34r: Correction, people should not have kids at all. :)

[FatBastard]

Maybe someone would like to point out which of the 15 kids didn&#39;t deserve to be born.

Is it better not to be born than to be part of a poor family? My parents were extremely poor, especially when the old man was in nick. There were 5 of us, maybe there should have been a law against it? They can set up poor squads to go round checking up on people, after all, poor people are bad parents, aren&#39;t they?

[JONNO_CELEBS]

FB I think you should read over the thread again, no one said anything that you replied to, we were saying it&#39;s not fair on the kids for there to be so many, this family are not poor they provide their kids with clothes and food.
Read over it again and see the point&#39;s we were making :)

Jonno B)

[FatBastard]

People were saying 15 kids is too much, no-ones business. You yourself said this ...
These kids don&#39;t get pocket money, they can&#39;t get things they would like or want.

This is just my opinion but I find it totally atrocious
Snny said this ...
15 children is 2-3 three times the acceptable amount of children you can raise without neglect,

I don&#39;t care what people say, the number of kids someone has is nobody&#39;s business, and if you don&#39;t agree these two should have 15 kids, state which ones you think should not have been born.

[sparsely]

having that many children is socially irresponsible.
don&#39;t they realize they&#39;re just making the lines at the stores longer? I hate standing in the motherfuckers already.

[Lilmiss]

Originally posted by FatBastard@17 December 2003 - 09:22
state which ones you think should not have been born.
the last 11 or 12 of them. :D


/giggles at Sparsley....I agree there. :P

[bigboab]

I wonder if there was no family allowance or social security if this family would have been as big?

[lynx]

Couldn&#39;t she have her legs tied together?

Jeez, people today, they just don&#39;t know what string is for. :rolleyes:

[summerlinda]

Originally posted by Arm+17 December 2003 - 06:14--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Arm @ 17 December 2003 - 06:14)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gemby&#33;@16 December 2003 - 22:00
people shouldn&#39;t have so many kids
:ph34r: Correction, people should not have kids at all. :) [/b][/quote]
Consider joining the Church Of Euthanasia by Chris Korda :P

[bigboab]

Originally posted by summerlinda+17 December 2003 - 10:59--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (summerlinda @ 17 December 2003 - 10:59)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Arm@17 December 2003 - 06:14
<!--QuoteBegin-gemby&#33;@16 December 2003 - 22:00
people shouldn&#39;t have so many kids
:ph34r: Correction, people should not have kids at all. :)
Consider joining the Church Of Euthanasia by Chris Korda :P [/b][/quote]
You leave the Asian youth alone Linda. :lol:

[RGX]

Originally posted by FatBastard@17 December 2003 - 09:22
People were saying 15 kids is too much, no-ones business. You yourself said this ...
These kids don&#39;t get pocket money, they can&#39;t get things they would like or want.

This is just my opinion but I find it totally atrocious
Snny said this ...
15 children is 2-3 three times the acceptable amount of children you can raise without neglect,

I don&#39;t care what people say, the number of kids someone has is nobody&#39;s business, and if you don&#39;t agree these two should have 15 kids, state which ones you think should not have been born.
I agree. 15 kids may seem too much to us, but there seemed a lot of love in that family, the kids seemed happy, sure it was expensive but so fucking what?

Who are we to decide what is right or wrong in a family? The kids were healthy, seemed happy enough, emotionally stable, and from what they said, very intellectual

However, i dont agree with what the mother said about vegitarianism (sp?)

[Gemby!]

rite - i cant be bothered coming up with quotes so im just gonna say that in my family i do cook my own food aswell as dear ol&#39; dad and mum cookin for me. neither of my parents cook around the family - they get what they are given or make their own &#33; i usually end up maikin my own <_<

i also agree with nam when there was somethign about giving kids food they dont like - i bloody hate that &#33;&#33; stoopid brocolli&#33; i eat it anyways though :P

and i think it was nikkid who said the thing about lasagne - my dad made a veggie one and the whole ( me him and one brother) ate it - but it was a bit mangy so we never made it again , but he wouldnt make two of them cos thats just a waste &#33;

lol @ arm

and fatbastard - i dont think anyone is saying that 11 or so of these children should not be allowed to live more that the parents should not have been allowed to have so many kids because they might suffer from lack o love &#33;

oo and add important qoute here " ...................................."

:D

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Originally posted by lilmiss+17 December 2003 - 09:40--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lilmiss @ 17 December 2003 - 09:40)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-FatBastard@17 December 2003 - 09:22
state which ones you think should not have been born.
the last 11 or 12 of them. :D


/giggles at Sparsley....I agree there. :P [/b][/quote]
Yup, exactly :)

To make another point which BB touched on, what about the amount of money they get from our wages?
I think she said it totlas £500 per month off the goverment.
Thats £6000 per year, more than some people earn.
Thats £60,000 in 10 years not including inflation.
Who pays for this?......Tax money, you me and everyone who pays it, I don&#39;t know these people, I get nothing from the goverment, why should they get something from me?

Answer me that and prove me wrong&#33;

Jonno B)

[Gemby!]

i agree &#33;

not so much me paying taxes and stuff but my parents do and it really annoys me that these people are getting the money that my parents work for just because they have 20 or so kids &#33;

so when people say that how many kids these people has isn&#39;t our buissness , yeah it is &#33;

[DanB]

I agree with your point there Jonno in some ways. <_<

They may be taking £6k a year off the Govt but I gather he was working so he was contributing to the coffers. How about teenage girls having kids so they can get a flat and money (you may want to have a go at me here but I work for a housing association and know this as fact).

I have paid my taxes but I have also cost taxpayer&#39;s money - does that make me bad? :P

Sure it can be seen as irresposible having so many kids but they all looked happy and healthy. How can you decide what is a fair limit of children for one family to have?

My mum now has 4 children aged 24(me), 14, 12 & 10 but my mum & stepdad both work to support them. When i was younger it was me and my mum obnly for 10 years and at points she wouldnt eat just so that I could and now she feels guilty for giving my younger brother&#39;s a better childhood than i had. I ust add that she had the snip after the 4th boy. Wonder why <_< :lol:

[Gemby!]

But on wife swap once there was this huge family once again where i think both parents didnt work or soemthign along those lines and they recieved more money than a family who had worked extremely hard for their money

[DanB]

This man was working though.

Anyway if she likes being pregnant much why not get a watermelon surgically implanted??? :lol: :lol:

[Gemby!]

oo but what happens if a kid is hungry - they might turn to cannabalism :P :lol:

[DanB]

Eat their mum?? :o

[Gemby!]

well someone said they were hard for cash - maybe thats a last resort &#33;

[DanB]

The veggie would be buggered though :rolleyes:


Edit - not literally though :o

[Gemby!]

lol i hope not &#33;&#33;

he/ she could eat her shoe &#33;

[DanB]

Originally posted by gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 21:03
lol i hope not &#33;&#33;

he/ she could eat her shoe &#33;
What if they were leather?? :P

[Gemby!]

the laces then &#33;

they are surely veggie safe &#33;

[DanB]

True but hardly nutritous :lol:

[Gemby!]

maybe she stepped in something on the way home ....;) .. it might have something in it - not sure about nutricious though :P

[DanB]

:x

Thats a nasty thought

[Gemby!]

hey its her shoelaces - not mine &#33;

[lynx]

Originally posted by gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 19:53
hey its her shoelaces - not mine &#33;
That&#39;s very mean spirited of you, Gemby.

If you can&#39;t even donate a pair of soiled shoelaces. :(

[DanB]

Still though :blink:

I was just thinking of dinner too :lol:

[Gemby!]

i had my dinner earlier - you should know by now to eat b4 entering the board &#33;

[DanB]

Get trapped in the timeless world :lol:

[WeeMouse]

How about teenage girls having kids so they can get a flat and money

Pffffffffffft tell me about it&#33;

I know some teenage girls really do struggle and deserve to be given help, but then there&#39;s poor wee hard workers like me who desperately need council housing but aren&#39;t considered a priority :(

BUt hey, i&#39;m thinking taking my three young nephews along to the housing office and going "hey like these are mah three weans like so gonna pure gies a hoose&#33;"

Might work.....


PS in total, my parents have 6 kids. :blink: Think about it......6 people who are kinda like me&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol:

[Gemby!]

scary &#33; lol

[DanB]

Originally posted by WeeMouse@17 December 2003 - 22:03
PS in total, my parents have 6 kids. :blink: Think about it......6 people who are kinda like me&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol:
Oh oh



:lol: :P

[WeeMouse]

It&#39;s ok.....only my sister Diana (who is 30 but doesn&#39;t want to talk about it) is remotely as bizarre as me.....

The rest of our family think we&#39;re freaks&#33; :)

MUUUHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAA&#33;

I think they may be right :D

[DanB]

Not saying a word :lol:

[WeeMouse]

Originally posted by danb@17 December 2003 - 22:15
Not saying a word :lol:
:D

Put it this way, she bought me Red Doc Martens for my birthday = she TOTALLY understands my miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiind.

B)

at least someone does........ :P

[DanB]

Red DM&#39;s? :o


I going to watch my toes :lol: and other areas :P

[Gemby!]

Originally posted by WeeMouse@17 December 2003 - 21:11
It&#39;s ok.....only my sister Diana (who is 30 but doesn&#39;t want to talk about it) is remotely as bizarre as me.....

The rest of our family think we&#39;re freaks&#33; :)

MUUUHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAA&#33;

I think they may be right :D
im the only weird one in my family

except for my cousin - she is just differnet :P

[WeeMouse]

Red DMS&#33;&#33;&#33;

I want purple ones now....

I stood on a guys toe in work in the lunch line....later found out he worked for Health & Safety :lol:

*Mouse cackles

[DanB]

Different to what? <_<

[Gemby!]

differnet to everyone else in my dodgey family - i still luv em though &#33;

[DanB]

Gemby&#39;s dodgy family <_< :lol:


Hope you dont think that rude :huh:

[Gemby!]

thats what i call em :P

[DanB]

I&#39;m only going to see mine for half the day, sounds rude but I get bored :o

[Gemby!]

lol

at christmas my house is a nightmare &#33;&#33; parents aint togehter so all they do is argue - however it is very entertaining &#33;

[h4mx0r]

actually, I remeber seeing something of this catagory in guinuess book of world records

[Spider_dude]

on the origional subject, if we had a rule only allowing 2 kids we wouldn&#39;t have a middle child syndrome.

[Yogi]

I must say i am quite surprised you can get so wound up about the 15 kids, Jonno.

At least they have a "save" haven.

I think much more unjust is done to kids in so called ideal family&#39;s with two or

three kids.....

None of the kids i had in my family, came from a big family, but they tell stories

wich make the 17 member-family a fairy tale&#33;&#33;

And, by the way, i would cater every kid not wanting to eat meat; hell, i even

cooked halal for 7 months because i had a marrocan kid here.......

As long as they can explain why, i cook to their needs, not mine......



Yogi

[Evil Gemini]

Originally posted by Spider_dude@19 December 2003 - 13:38
on the origional subject, if we had a rule only allowing 2 kids we wouldn&#39;t have a middle child syndrome.
wouldnt that be with three children ??

[Spider_dude]

Originally posted by neattairoski+19 December 2003 - 13:32--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (neattairoski @ 19 December 2003 - 13:32)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Spider_dude@19 December 2003 - 13:38
on the origional subject, if we had a rule only allowing 2 kids we wouldn&#39;t have a middle child syndrome.
wouldnt that be with three children ?? [/b][/quote]
how do you have a middle child with only 2 kids? exactly, try reading my quote again.


also on a side note, if you had 14 brothers and sisters if you got a kicking at school that kid would be sorry.

[Gemby!]

rite i have a question

people in countries which are not so well off and who can barely live for no food have about 10 kids each

i want to know where the fuck they get the energy &#33;&#33;&#33; i mean no food - hardly any water - wtf &#33;&#33; im confused &#33;

[bigboab]

Originally posted by gemby&#33;@19 December 2003 - 23:56
rite i have a question

people in countries which are not so well off and who can barely live for no food have about 10 kids each

i want to know where the fuck they get the energy &#33;&#33;&#33; i mean no food - hardly any water - wtf &#33;&#33; im confused &#33;
Dont go on a diet just for that Gemby. It is not worth it. :lol: :lol:

[Gemby!]

quality advice there &#33; :lol:

[lynx]

Periods of starvation have been shown to increase fertility.
It&#39;s nature&#39;s way of balancing the books.

Then we fuck it up by keeping alive the ones who would have otherwise died but not providing contraception to prevent them being born in the first place.