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hobbes
12-17-2003, 03:53 AM
Just giving a warm happy holidays to my friends on the forum. I believe this time of year is to recognize those luxuries we take for granted on a daily basis. Did you ever stop to think how wonderful it is to take a warm shower every morning and drive to work in your own car, from your own house. Sometimes we forget how lucky we are.

I will not always agree with you, but as long as we are courteous and respectful to each other, that should lend to a better overall understanding of people from different backrounds.

I have endured several days of unhappiness here fighting against people preferring name calling and cheap shots to data and discussion. I really hate to argue politics, and prefer to discuss concepts.

I wanted to start this thread to refresh myself as to why I hang out here, nothing more.

Hobbes
I.am
12-17-2003, 03:57 AM
Well then, Happy holidays hobbes! :santa: and others as well!
FatBastard
12-17-2003, 04:07 AM
Hobbes, if I didn't hate men I'd give you a big hug. You are a man, aren't you?
hobbes
12-17-2003, 04:15 AM
Originally posted by FatBastard@17 December 2003 - 05:07
Hobbes, if I didn't hate men I'd give you a big hug.  You are a man, aren't you?
Let me "Google" that and get back to you. I was sure the other day, and now I have my reservations. The objectivity and data base of the internet will soon bear fruit on the nature of my gender.

Did I say "fruit"? Hmm, a Freudian slip? I hope not!
Honey
12-17-2003, 05:45 AM
hi hobbes... I don't know you well... but Happy Holidays to you and yours.. http://honey.funkychickz.co.uk/santa.gif

Glad to see you've re-charged the batteries... :)
(>Zero Cool<)
12-17-2003, 05:58 AM
Hey Mr hobbes, as a wise man once sang &#39;don&#39;t let the bas*ards drag you down&#39;, they don&#39;t deserve it (the last bit is mine, I ain&#39;t in the wise man group, just the man one):)
j2k4
12-17-2003, 06:04 AM
Happy Holidays, hobbes.

Time to cram everyone back on the elevator, don&#39;t you think? :lol:

Clocker gets to play Santa this year.
uNz[i]
12-17-2003, 06:52 AM
yeah, happy holidays to all on the board.
Don&#39;t eat any tofurkey this Christmas&#33; :D

/me tries to picture Clocker in a Santa suit.

-_- :mellow: :huh: :unsure: :blink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :-"
j2k4
12-17-2003, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by uNz&#091;i
,17 December 2003 - 02:52]yeah, happy holidays to all on the board.
Don&#39;t eat any tofurkey this Christmas&#33;&nbsp; :D

/me tries to picture Clocker in a Santa suit.

-_-&nbsp; :mellow:&nbsp; :huh:&nbsp; :unsure:&nbsp; :blink:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :-"
With a freshly-lit Lucky Strike burning merrily. :D
oldmancan
12-17-2003, 06:21 PM
Hobbes, I am taking the liberty of including myself in the group of folks you refer to as friends. And as such I return the holiday greetings. All the best to you and yours. ;)


Originally posted by hobbes@16 December 2003 - 20:53
I have endured several days of unhappiness here fighting against people preferring name calling and cheap shots to data and discussion.&nbsp; I really hate to argue politics, and prefer to discuss concepts.&nbsp;


I did a search and see what you mean. Quite a grind, I gave up after several pages. Well, I hope your ready to lighten up and enjoy yourself.

peace omc
Lilmiss
12-17-2003, 06:40 PM
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/Lynne1977uk/hershey+kiss.gif

For you Hobbes. :)
As Zero said, Van Morrison sang it best.

Hope you are as merry as xmas. :blink:
DanB
12-17-2003, 07:19 PM
Merry Christmas everyone :D
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 07:26 PM
All of this Merry Christmas stuff is a bit insensitive. There are plenty of non-Christian&#39;s here, who may find this offensive.

To those who fit that description, my apologies on behalf of the non-thinking Christian element. Some of us think of the feeling of others before we post.
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 07:31 PM
well a large percentage of us on the board do celebrate christmas so its not really offensive for us to say happy christmas to others who do

if people are not christian then they do not have to read the thread &#33;&#33;

should i find it offensive when its eid ( thats the only other religion holiday i can remember&#33;) ? personally i wouldn&#39;t so why should they ?
lynx
12-17-2003, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@17 December 2003 - 18:26
All of this Merry Christmas stuff is a bit insensitive. There are plenty of non-Christian&#39;s here, who may find this offensive.

To those who fit that description, my apologies on behalf of the non-thinking Christian element. Some of us think of the feeling of others before we post.
I am sure that many non-Christians will be offended by your post, Mr J&#39;Politically Correct.

Members of most faith&#39;s respect the beliefs of others and are not offended by their celebrations. Those who proclaim to be offended are usually racists and bigots.

Edit: typo
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 20:31


if people are not christian then they do not have to read the thread &#33;&#33;


It&#39;s entitled, Hey Everyone.
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by lynx+17 December 2003 - 20:32--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lynx &#064; 17 December 2003 - 20:32)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-J&#39;Pol@17 December 2003 - 18:26
All of this Merry Christmas stuff is a bit insensitive. There are plenty of non-Christian&#39;s here, who may find this offensive.

To those who fit that description, my apologies on behalf of the non-thinking Christian element. Some of us think of the feeling of others before we post.
I am sure that many non-Christians will be offended by your post, Mr J&#39;Politically Correct.

Members of most faith&#39;s respect the beliefs of others and are not offended by their celebrations. Those who proclaim to be offended are usually racists and bigots.

Edit: typo[/b][/quote]
Two sweeping generalisations, which you have no possible means of substantiating.

Excellent post. I&#39;m glad you went to the bother of sorrecting the spelling. :lol: :lol: :lol:
j2k4
12-17-2003, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@17 December 2003 - 15:26
All of this Merry Christmas stuff is a bit insensitive. There are plenty of non-Christian&#39;s here, who may find this offensive.

To those who fit that description, my apologies on behalf of the non-thinking Christian element. Some of us think of the feeling of others before we post.
As a stodgy conservative, let me say that those who might take offense should exercise the same prerogative that allows them to change the channel, choose from a restaurant menu, or avoid walking into the wrong public restroom.

If you feel you might be offended, don&#39;t read or post in this thread.

If you find that you have read any of this before realization sets in, please feel free to sign up for reparations with the United Nations, or pursue recourse through the Hague.
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+17 December 2003 - 19:34--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol @ 17 December 2003 - 19:34)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 20:31


if people are not christian then they do not have to read the thread &#33;&#33;


It&#39;s entitled, Hey Everyone. [/b][/quote]
well they can read the first line then not read anymore then if they find it SO offensive

whats your religion anyway ?
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;+17 December 2003 - 20:40--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gemby&#33; &#064; 17 December 2003 - 20:40)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@17 December 2003 - 19:34
<!--QuoteBegin-gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 20:31


if people are not christian then they do not have to read the thread &#33;&#33;


It&#39;s entitled, Hey Everyone.
well they can read the first line then not read anymore then if they find it SO offensive

whats your religion anyway ?[/b][/quote]
How on earth would that help ?


Just giving a warm happy holidays to my friends on the forum. I believe this time of year is to recognize those luxuries we take
Snee
12-17-2003, 07:44 PM
Happy Hanukkah, or Chanuckah, or however else you&#39;d spell it.

Have a good Ramadan, even though it&#39;s the wrong time o&#39; year, and also Merry :blink: Quanza to you.

:holiday:
oldmancan
12-17-2003, 07:45 PM
J&#39;Pol&#39;s sentiment has merit.

I don&#39;t think this thread is offensive. At the point of J&#39;Pols post there were six (6) happy holidays compared to one (1) Merry Christmas. While the root words of holiday denote a religious event, for most of us I suggest the word is synonomous with vacation.

So Danb quite being so mean. lol

peace omc
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by j2k4@17 December 2003 - 20:38

If you feel you might be offended, don&#39;t read or post in this thread.


I am not in the least offended. I merely recognise that others may be.

Namzuf9 for example is a Satanist.

Celebrations of the birth of Our Lord may be offensive to him. I certainly wouldn&#39;t be best pleased if he were discussing a celebration of Satan&#39;s firstborn.

I merely use him as an example, there may be others.
lynx
12-17-2003, 07:46 PM
Of course it says "Hey Everyone&#33;"

Did you expect it to say "Hey Everyone&#33; Except all you non-christians because I don&#39;t care if you have a good Christmas" ? That would have been offfensive.

And I wasn&#39;t making generalisations. Plenty of my friends are non-christians, and they all wish me Merry Christmas at this time of year. They get VERY angry about the sort of message you were posting J&#39;Pol.
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+17 December 2003 - 19:43--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol @ 17 December 2003 - 19:43)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 20:40

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@17 December 2003 - 19:34
<!--QuoteBegin-gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 20:31


if people are not christian then they do not have to read the thread &#33;&#33;


It&#39;s entitled, Hey Everyone.
well they can read the first line then not read anymore then if they find it SO offensive

whats your religion anyway ?
How on earth would that help ?


Just giving a warm happy holidays to my friends on the forum. I believe this time of year is to recognize those luxuries we take [/b][/quote]
well it would tell me that if you are christain then how could you judge if someone of a different religion would find this offensive or not :)

and dont get moody on me &#33; <_<
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by lynx@17 December 2003 - 20:46
Of course it says "Hey Everyone&#33;"

Did you expect it to say "Hey Everyone&#33; Except all you non-christians because I don&#39;t care if you have a good Christmas" ? That would have been offfensive.

And I wasn&#39;t making generalisations. Plenty of my friends are non-christians, and they all wish me Merry Christmas at this time of year. They get VERY angry about the sort of message you were posting J&#39;Pol.
So your statistically significant cross section is how many - 10,000, 100,000 .... just a ball park figure will do.

Oh and I think not Christian, would possibly be a better way of putting it. Your method suggests there are two types of people.
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 07:51 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;+17 December 2003 - 20:47--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gemby&#33; @ 17 December 2003 - 20:47)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@17 December 2003 - 19:43

Originally posted by gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 20:40

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@17 December 2003 - 19:34
<!--QuoteBegin-gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 20:31


if people are not christian then they do not have to read the thread &#33;&#33;


It&#39;s entitled, Hey Everyone.
well they can read the first line then not read anymore then if they find it SO offensive

whats your religion anyway ?
How on earth would that help ?


Just giving a warm happy holidays to my friends on the forum. I believe this time of year is to recognize those luxuries we take
well it would tell me that if you are christain then how could you judge if someone of a different religion would find this offensive or not :)

and dont get moody on me &#33; <_< [/b][/quote]
No - how would reading the first line help them to identify anything about the thread.
DanB
12-17-2003, 07:51 PM
WTF?

How can a simple Merry C******as have caused so much outrage???

I think you&#39;ll find that the celebration of Christmas is no longer purely practiced by Christians.

J&#39;Pol your post is a perfect example of political correctness gone mad <_<
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 07:53 PM
FIEN THEN

they could just not reply then &#33;
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by danb@17 December 2003 - 20:51
WTF?

How can a simple Merry C******as have caused so much outrage???

I think you&#39;ll find that the celebration of Christmas is no longer purely practiced by Christians.

J&#39;Pol your post is a perfect example of political correctness gone mad <_<
Don&#39;t be ridiculous.

People may have a holiday at a certain time of the year. Eat turkey and exchange cards and gifts.

That is not celebrating the birth of Christ. Happy holidays to them, but is not the same thing.
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 20:53
FIEN THEN

they could just not reply then &#33;
What has the Food Industry Environmental Network got to do with anything.
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 07:56 PM
i would just say merry christmas - oh no have i offended the nation ??? :o

if i celebrate christmas then isn&#39;t it my choice if i wish to say merry christmas to others who do

or will you get a bit sensitive over it ?
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+17 December 2003 - 19:55--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol @ 17 December 2003 - 19:55)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 20:53
FIEN THEN

they could just not reply then &#33;
What has the Food Industry Environmental Network got to do with anything. [/b][/quote]
:clap: well done &#33;&#33; i managed to make a spelling mistake and you come up with a smart comment - im sure your parents will be proud &#33;
DanB
12-17-2003, 07:58 PM
What about all the Christmas specials on the telly??

Won&#39;t that be offensive too?
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 20:56

if i celebrate christmas then isn&#39;t it my choice if i wish to say merry christmas to others who do


It is your choice to say it to whoever you want.

If you chose to ignore the fact that what is said in a thread here is to everyone, not just those who are like minded, that is a matter for you.
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;+17 December 2003 - 20:57--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gemby&#33; @ 17 December 2003 - 20:57)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@17 December 2003 - 19:55
<!--QuoteBegin-gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 20:53
FIEN THEN

they could just not reply then &#33;
What has the Food Industry Environmental Network got to do with anything.
:clap: well done &#33;&#33; i managed to make a spelling mistake and you come up with a smart comment - im sure your parents will be proud &#33; [/b][/quote]
Would that such a thing were possible.
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by danb@17 December 2003 - 20:58
What about all the Christmas specials on the telly??

Won&#39;t that be offensive too?
I feel no responsibility for that.

I can only comment on my immediate environment and attempt to influence that.
j2k4
12-17-2003, 08:01 PM
J&#39;Pol-

See what hobbes started now? :lol:

Namzuf?

A Satanist?

Well, how &#39;bout that.

What a little stinker.

If I see him, I&#39;ll pull his pointy little tail, that scamp&#33;

Of course, he may just be trying to indicate he is a big fan of Miroslav Satan, the high-scoring right-wing who plays for the Buffalo Sabres of our National Hockey League. :)

Edit: On second thought, he may also be referring to Beelzebub Jones the international Cribbage star.
DanB
12-17-2003, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+17 December 2003 - 20:59--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol @ 17 December 2003 - 20:59)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 20:56

if i celebrate christmas then isn&#39;t it my choice if i wish to say merry christmas to others who do


It is your choice to say it to whoever you want.

If you chose to ignore the fact that what is said in a thread here is to everyone, not just those who are like minded, that is a matter for you. [/b][/quote]
Is free speech still around?
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 08:01 PM
but im not being rude to those who dont celebrate christmas - im just saying merry christmas &#33;&#33;&#33;

they say it on the telly in shops on CHRISTMAS CARDS &#33;&#33;&#33;

they do not say it in order to offend anyone so just cos someone says in on this board they are then being offensive &#33;

and i give my friends christmas cards - which say merry christmas - and none have complained so far

@ danb - obviously not &#33;
fkdup74
12-17-2003, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by lynx@17 December 2003 - 11:46
Of course it says "Hey Everyone&#33;"

Did you expect it to say "Hey Everyone&#33; Except all you non-christians because I don&#39;t care if you have a good Christmas" ? That would have been offfensive.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
seriously jpol, you should consider moving to the states and joining the ACLU :P
not trying to make a fuss or enemies, but seriously,
all this extra attention to not offending anyone can be just as offensive
it&#39;s almost like the right to BE christian or celebrate christmas is being taken away
it seems that (in the US at least), its OK to bitch about christmas,
or saying "in God we trust" or "one nation under God" is offensive
but tell ONE person who has a stick up their ass "merry christmas",
and they&#39;ll chew your ass off.....wtf?
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 21:01
but im not being rude to those who dont celebrate christmas - im just saying merry christmas &#33;&#33;&#33;

they say it on the telly in shops on CHRISTMAS CARDS &#33;&#33;&#33;

they do not say it in order to offend anyone so just cos someone says in on this board they are then being offensive &#33;

and i give my friends christmas cards - which say merry christmas - and none have complained so far
I did not say they were being offensive. I said people may be offended.

That is not the same thing.

You should really read the words. They give a clue as to the meaning.
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by danb+17 December 2003 - 21:01--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (danb @ 17 December 2003 - 21:01)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@17 December 2003 - 20:59
<!--QuoteBegin-gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 20:56

if i celebrate christmas then isn&#39;t it my choice if i wish to say merry christmas to others who do


It is your choice to say it to whoever you want.

If you chose to ignore the fact that what is said in a thread here is to everyone, not just those who are like minded, that is a matter for you.
Is free speech still around? [/b][/quote]
I certainly hope so, along with it&#39;s cousin - responsibility for one&#39;s own actions.
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@17 December 2003 - 20:04

I did not say they were being offensive. I said people may be offended.

That is not the same thing.

You should really read the words. They give a clue as to the meaning.
im finding you quite offensive at the moment - do you not consider others feelings when you are posting ?
DanB
12-17-2003, 08:06 PM
I did not say they were being offensive. I said people may be offended.

That is not the same thing.

You should really read the words. They give a clue as to the meaning.


You have to be offensive to offend people though.


I certainly hope so, along with it&#39;s cousin - responsibility for one&#39;s own actions.

You have to be responsible to say Happy Christmas now?

At what age should you be considered responsible enough to say happy christmas????

What&#39;s going to happen if my little brother gives a non-christian classmate a christmas card??? :o OMG he might get expelled <_<
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by j2k4@17 December 2003 - 21:01
J&#39;Pol-

See what hobbes started now? :lol:

Namzuf?

A Satanist?

Well, how &#39;bout that.

What a little stinker.

If I see him, I&#39;ll pull his pointy little tail, that scamp&#33;

Of course, he may just be trying to indicate he is a big fan of Miroslav Satan, the high-scoring right-wing who plays for the Buffalo Sabres of our National Hockey League. :)

Edit: On second thought, he may also be referring to Beelzebub Jones the international Cribbage star.
No - the chap tells me he is a devout follower of the Church of Satan.

Like I said earlier in the thread, I would not be best please if he were to start celebrating his dark festivals here. I think he should get the same treatment, it&#39;s only fair.
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 08:09 PM
if he supports satan thats his buisness &#33; aslong as he doesnt drag me into it im not fussed &#33;
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 21:09
if he supports satan thats his buisness &#33; aslong as he doesnt drag me into it im not fussed &#33;
Exactly my point - it goes both ways - thank you.
DanB
12-17-2003, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+17 December 2003 - 21:12--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol @ 17 December 2003 - 21:12)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 21:09
if he supports satan thats his buisness &#33; aslong as he doesnt drag me into it im not fussed &#33;
Exactly my point - it goes both ways - thank you. [/b][/quote]
How is it dragging you into it??

No one has sat you down and read the nativity story to you or tried to make you sing carols have they???
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by danb+17 December 2003 - 21:14--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (danb @ 17 December 2003 - 21:14)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@17 December 2003 - 21:12
<!--QuoteBegin-gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 21:09
if he supports satan thats his buisness &#33; aslong as he doesnt drag me into it im not fussed &#33;
Exactly my point - it goes both ways - thank you.
How is it dragging you into it??

No one has sat you down and read the nativity story to you or tried to make you sing carols have they??? [/b][/quote]
She was talking about the Satanist.

Read the posts.
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+17 December 2003 - 20:12--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol &#064; 17 December 2003 - 20:12)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 21:09
if he supports satan thats his buisness &#33; aslong as he doesnt drag me into it im not fussed &#33;
Exactly my point - it goes both ways - thank you. [/b][/quote]
when i said drag me into i mean they sit me down and involve me in their version of christmas or something

i DID NOT mean saying happy satan day or something - thats alrite- its the thought that counts

and its funny how you have a reply for everything - shows you are used to argueing over anything

*edit* i think you should read the posts he was refering to you complaining about merry christmas
DanB
12-17-2003, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+17 December 2003 - 21:15--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol @ 17 December 2003 - 21:15)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by danb@17 December 2003 - 21:14

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@17 December 2003 - 21:12
<!--QuoteBegin-gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 21:09
if he supports satan thats his buisness &#33; aslong as he doesnt drag me into it im not fussed &#33;
Exactly my point - it goes both ways - thank you.
How is it dragging you into it??

No one has sat you down and read the nativity story to you or tried to make you sing carols have they???
She was talking about the Satanist.

Read the posts. [/b][/quote]
No it was you who compared being a satanist to saying Merry Christmas


Exactly my point - it goes both ways - thank you.
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 21:16

i DID NOT mean saying happy satan day or something - thats alrite- its the thought that counts


You really think so - good on you. If you feel that way, then I have no argument with you.
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 08:22 PM
you obviously do as you have been for the past couple of pages of this thread &#33;&#33;&#33;
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by danb@17 December 2003 - 21:21



No it was you who compared being a satanist to saying Merry Christmas


I did no such thing. I pointed out that a member of this forum (at least one) may be offended.

I used a satanist as an obvious example.

I did not compare saying Merry Christmas to satanism - that is just preposterous.
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 21:22
you obviously do as you have been for the past couple of pages of this thread &#33;&#33;&#33;
However you have taken a reasonable position and afforded satanists the same courtesy as you would Christians.

You are to be congratulated on your open mindedness.
DanB
12-17-2003, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@17 December 2003 - 21:07
No - the chap tells me he is a devout follower of the Church of Satan.

Like I said earlier in the thread, I would not be best please if he were to start celebrating his dark festivals here. I think he should get the same treatment, it&#39;s only fair.
And earlier in the thread you moaned about saying Merry Christmas


It also depends how you view Christmas as I said earlier in the thread it is no longer a purely religous thing
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 08:29 PM
thanks &#33; but i still think that you should calm down about people being offended

christmas is a huge time of year for all religions - wether you celebrate it or not

many people from different religions still give out some presents to others at this time - and im sure that many would not take offence in someone saying merry christmas

why should they ?
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by danb+17 December 2003 - 21:28--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (danb @ 17 December 2003 - 21:28)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-J&#39;Pol@17 December 2003 - 21:07
No - the chap tells me he is a devout follower of the Church of Satan.

Like I said earlier in the thread, I would not be best please if he were to start celebrating his dark festivals here. I think he should get the same treatment, it&#39;s only fair.
And earlier in the thread you moaned about saying Merry Christmas


It also depends how you view Christmas as I said earlier in the thread it is no longer a purely religous thing [/b][/quote]
Christmas is a religious thing.

The whole holiday - turkey - card/presents is entirely secular and unrelated.

So like I said earlier. Happy holidays, to those who chose to celebrate at this time of ther year.
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 21:29


christmas is a huge time of year for all religions - wether you celebrate it or not


Bunkum.
DanB
12-17-2003, 08:33 PM
I don&#39;t get offended by people from other religions celebrating their festivals


The whole holiday - turkey - card/presents is entirely secular and unrelated.

But the whole secular thing is still refered to as Christmas&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 08:33 PM
this is why you take someone saying merry christmas as being offensive to others - i see the term merry christmas different and i include the meal , presents and cards in this - whatever the religion

its all part of christmas rite ?
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 08:37 PM
My learned colleagues now have Christmas as a Secular Rite.

I give in and finally acquiesce to the inevitable conclusion. The world has indeed run mad.
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 08:39 PM
the world is mad because christmas is a celebration by everyone

i think thats its very nice for that to happen - as its very nice to enjoy something which others do to - not matter what religion &#33; :)
Snee
12-17-2003, 08:39 PM
I can&#39;t help but wondering if Namzuf is actually offended by someone saying "Merry Christmas", has he said so?
DanB
12-17-2003, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 21:39
i think thats its very nice for that to happen - as its very nice to enjoy something which others do to - not matter what religion &#33; :)
Very well said Gemby.


By saying Merry Christmas I was trying to convey my wishes for everyone to have a good time drinking, eating, getting presents and enjoy the seasonal festivities.
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 08:47 PM
Yes very nice - except Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses are another group who positively do not celebrate Christmas.

So to say everyone is not only western biased, precluding the world&#39;s actual major religions, it is also wrong.
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 08:47 PM
thats what i mean when i say it - not many refer to christ being born when they say it :P

wow to think - we can actually get back to the original thread now :P

@ snny - i dunno
DanB
12-17-2003, 08:49 PM
I&#39;m going to give up before I explode :angry:


Happy Holidays everyone


Unless you get offended by holidays. Is Workaholic a religion yet?
bigboab
12-17-2003, 08:49 PM
Hi Everyone. I hope you all enjoy the festivities. :)
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@17 December 2003 - 20:47
Yes very nice - except Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses are another group who positively do not celebrate Christmas.

So to say everyone is not only western biased, precluding the world&#39;s actual major religions, it is also wrong.
rite seeing as i have to once again correct myself

by everyone i meant those people of other religions who do celebrate christmas
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by bigboab@17 December 2003 - 21:49
Hi Everyone. I hope you all enjoy the festivities. :)
Yuletide Felicitations boaby.

Have an apple on me.
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by danb@17 December 2003 - 20:49
I&#39;m going to give up before I explode :angry:


Happy Holidays everyone


Unless you get offended by holidays. Is Workaholic a religion yet?
:lol: :lol:

im sure it will be soon - hopefully intime for christmas otherwise no one will have anythign to complain about &#33;
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;+17 December 2003 - 21:50--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gemby&#33; @ 17 December 2003 - 21:50)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-J&#39;Pol@17 December 2003 - 20:47
Yes very nice - except Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses are another group who positively do not celebrate Christmas.

So to say everyone is not only western biased, precluding the world&#39;s actual major religions, it is also wrong.
rite seeing as i have to once again correct myself

by everyone i meant those people of other religions who do celebrate christmas [/b][/quote]
So everyone, has now become everyone (who fits my criteria).

That makes much more sense. Thank you.
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 08:55 PM
arghh i mean everyone who celebrates christmas in a non - religios and religious way &#33;

do you have to pick on everything i say ? do you like to annoy people by being so full of yourself ? why do you find the need to be so right all the time ?
DanB
12-17-2003, 08:55 PM
http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/clap.gif

Well done
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 21:55
arghh i mean everyone who celebrates christmas in a non - religios and religious way &#33;

do you have to pick on everything i say ? do you like to annoy people by being so full of yourself ? why do you find the need to be so right all the time ?
It&#39;s just the way the Good Lord made me.

Adeste fidelis
Laeti triumphantes
Venite, venite in Bethlehem
Natum videte regem angelorum
Venite adoremus
Venite adoremus
Venite adoremus Dominum.
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@17 December 2003 - 21:16


Adeste fidelis
Laeti triumphantes
Venite, venite in Bethlehem
Natum videte regem angelorum
Venite adoremus
Venite adoremus
Venite adoremus Dominum.
umm what ?
DanB
12-17-2003, 09:19 PM
I was never any good at latin :rolleyes:
Snee
12-17-2003, 09:20 PM
:rolleyes:

I won&#39;t say anything but this is getting silly
J'Pol
12-17-2003, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by SnnY@17 December 2003 - 22:20
:rolleyes:

I won&#39;t say anything but this is getting silly
Oh ease up a bit - It is Christmas.

O come, all ye faithful,
Joyful and triumphant,
O come ye, O come ye to Bethlehem.
Come and behold Him,
Born the King of Angels&#33;

O come, let us adore Him,
O come, let us adore Him,
O come, let us adore Him,
Christ the Lord.
DanB
12-17-2003, 09:22 PM
I believe that started on the first page?
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 09:24 PM
whats everyone doing then over the holidays ? new years - i take it EVERYONE is gonna get pissed :P you alcoholics &#33;:P
DanB
12-17-2003, 09:26 PM
I know I will :rolleyes:
Snee
12-17-2003, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+17 December 2003 - 22:21--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol @ 17 December 2003 - 22:21)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-SnnY@17 December 2003 - 22:20
:rolleyes:

I won&#39;t say anything but this is getting silly
Oh ease up a bit - It is Christmas. [/b][/quote]
:santa: (http://www.flw.com/merry.htm)
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 09:29 PM
im going scotland where i will watch them all get pissed and record it then play it in the morning and laff at the f00ls &#33;&#33; lol

ah i luv it &#33;
DanB
12-17-2003, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 22:29
im going scotland where i will watch them all get pissed and record it then play it in the morning and laff at the f00ls &#33;&#33; lol

ah i luv it &#33;
How can such a cut kitty be so evil?? :unsure: :P
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 09:32 PM
they luv me doing it - im sure they do :P :unsure:
bigboab
12-17-2003, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 21:29
im going scotland where i will watch them all get pissed and record it then play it in the morning and laff at the f00ls &#33;&#33; lol

ah i luv it &#33;
You are coming to Scotland Gemby&#33; Beware there are some big bad men in Scotland. Dont talk to anyone over 60. :lol:
DanB
12-17-2003, 09:37 PM
LMAO@ BB polishing off his suit :lol: :lol:
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by bigboab+17 December 2003 - 21:36--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigboab @ 17 December 2003 - 21:36)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 21:29
im going scotland where i will watch them all get pissed and record it then play it in the morning and laff at the f00ls &#33;&#33; lol

ah i luv it &#33;
You are coming to Scotland Gemby&#33; Beware there are some big bad men in Scotland. Dont talk to anyone over 60. :lol: [/b][/quote]
*nods *

oo that old man is offering me a sweet ....
DanB
12-17-2003, 09:41 PM
Take it at your peril :lol: :lol:
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 09:42 PM
lol


OK&#33; i dont need to be told twice :P
Wizard_Mon1
12-17-2003, 09:47 PM
well that was an interesting read...

merry christmas

and happy holidays to however cares....

weeeeeeeeeeee :newyear:
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 09:49 PM
im affraid i find that christmas tree offensive :lol:

only joking

enjoy your holidays/ christmas / wahtever &#33;
Wizard_Mon1
12-17-2003, 09:52 PM
yer trees piss me of to always standing there lurking

you never know what they will do :unsure:

:lol:
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 10:02 PM
they usually just stand there and do nothing - suspicious if you ask me :P
Wizard_Mon1
12-17-2003, 10:06 PM
do you all live in london?

Edit: oviously when i say all i mean the people i was just talkin to not everyone in teh world that would jus be silly.. :P
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 10:07 PM
well i do :)
Wizard_Mon1
12-17-2003, 10:08 PM
me too where abouts do ya live im in camden
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 10:10 PM
i would rather not say - sorry :)

but im not in camden :P
Wizard_Mon1
12-17-2003, 10:12 PM
k lol
;)
bigboab
12-17-2003, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;@17 December 2003 - 22:10
i would rather not say - sorry :)


Go on apologize Gemby. :lol:


What did you do? :huh:
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 10:15 PM
well yesterday i ... cant remember :P
bigboab
12-17-2003, 10:17 PM
I&#39;ll get pills for you and Titey then. :lol:
DanB
12-17-2003, 10:24 PM
Glad you enjoyed it <_<


I Live in Sutton :) I have been to Camden lots though mainly Camden Palace :D
Wizard_Mon1
12-17-2003, 10:28 PM
ahh the infamous camden palace

apparently theres a floo circulating rounds its air con. and its been there for a month

i used to go there for teh back to 93 nights 3 or 4 years ago
bigboab
12-17-2003, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by Wizard_Mon1@17 December 2003 - 22:28
apparently theres a floo circulating rounds its air con. and its been there for a month


Be careful that could be Legionnaires disease. That tends to lurk in air conditioning.
Wizard_Mon1
12-17-2003, 10:41 PM
you&#39;ve been watching to much quincy and diagnosis murder :lol:
Gemby!
12-17-2003, 11:29 PM
Originally posted by bigboab@17 December 2003 - 22:17
I&#39;ll get pills for you and Titey then. :lol:
:blink: oo sounds fun ;)
bigboab
12-17-2003, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by Wizard_Mon1@17 December 2003 - 22:41
you&#39;ve been watching to much quincy and diagnosis murder :lol:
I&#39;ll sent you a get well card to Camden hospital. :lol:
hobbes
12-18-2003, 01:30 AM
This time of year is the "holiday season" containing several major and I&#39;m sure a few minor ones I don&#39;t even know about.

That is why I used the word "holidays", take your pick.

I am not Christain, but our family uses the vacation time granted to get together. So Christmas is usually the most convenient day.

Holiday season to me is secular, just a time to see friends and family and remember to recognize those luxuries we take for granted on a daily basis.


Anyway, "Happy Hoildays"


Fixed major holiday spelling error.
(>Zero Cool<)
12-18-2003, 01:32 AM
Happy Holidays to you and your family :) Hobbes
J'Pol
12-18-2003, 01:34 AM
If your name is hobbes, which it obviously is.

Why do you sign your posts Hobbes, which you sometimes do.
clocker
12-18-2003, 02:17 AM
http://server5.uploadit.org/files2/181203-Santa.jpg
Thanks for the honor guys.
I&#39;ll try not to let you down.
I am getting into character ( and Lauren Graham, with any luck&#33;) now...
FuNkY CaPrIcOrN
12-18-2003, 02:47 AM
Originally posted by hobbes@16 December 2003 - 22:53
I believe this time of year is to recognize those luxuries we take for granted on a daily basis.&nbsp; Did you ever stop to think how wonderful it is to take a warm shower every morning and drive to work in your own car, from your own house.&nbsp; Sometimes we forget how lucky we are.
:P No.I know what it is like.When they cut your Water off or when they take away your License for a Year and you have to take a Bus. :P

I appreciate everything I have in this Life.

:D Happy Holidays back at ya Hobbes.And everybody else on the Forum also. :D


FC B)
hobbes
12-18-2003, 02:52 AM
Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@18 December 2003 - 02:34
If your name is hobbes, which it obviously is.

Why do you sign your posts Hobbes, which you sometimes do.
hobbes is to Hobbes

as

JPol is to MrJPFugley


alteregos, obviously.

I rarely even recall posting as Hobbes, but the documentation is there.
clocker
12-18-2003, 07:55 AM
Apparently this Santa business will be tougher than I&#39;d imagined...
The science of Santa (http://paul.merton.ox.ac.uk/xmas/santa.html)
j2k4
12-18-2003, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by clocker@18 December 2003 - 03:55
Apparently this Santa business will be tougher than I&#39;d imagined...
The science of Santa (http://paul.merton.ox.ac.uk/xmas/santa.html)
I recommend you check your contract for an "out-claus". :lol: :D :)
camille
12-18-2003, 08:25 AM
Happy Holidays&#33;