Ram Ratios

[bigdawgfoxx]

Hey! My first question is what exactly is the RAM to CPU ratio thing? I will have a 2500XP Barton at 333Mhz FSB and PC3200 Ram. What setting should I run this on the have the memory run at like 333Mhz for good syncrozanation. Wouldnt the ram running at 333Mhz be the best? What exactly is this ratio. Also when I overclock my cpu to 200X11 what should the CPU:RAM be? 1:1 since they will both have the same FSB?

ALSO which should I get?
*Corsair XMS 2-3-2-6 PC3200 2X256MB, or
*Mushkin 2-2-2-6 PC3200 Level II 2X256MB?

[clocker]

I like Mushkin ( it's made here in Denver!).

Run your chip and RAM synchronized.

[camille]

I like corsair, it's more popular in the market.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Yeah I know to run it syncronized, but with my CPU running at 333Mhz and my ram running at 400Mhz how will I make the ram run at 333Mhz? Once I can boost it up to 200X11 then I can just leave it at 400Mhz

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@21 December 2003 - 21:01
Hey! My first question is what exactly is the RAM to CPU ratio thing? I will have a 2500XP Barton at 333Mhz FSB and PC3200 Ram. What setting should I run this on the have the memory run at like 333Mhz for good syncrozanation. Wouldnt the ram running at 333Mhz be the best? What exactly is this ratio. Also when I overclock my cpu to 200X11 what should the CPU:RAM be? 1:1 since they will both have the same FSB?

ALSO which should I get?
*Corsair XMS 2-3-2-6 PC3200 2X256MB, or
*Mushkin 2-2-2-6 PC3200 Level II 2X256MB?
Are they the same price?

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@21 December 2003 - 21:22
Yeah I know to run it syncronized, but with my CPU running at 333Mhz and my ram running at 400Mhz how will I make the ram run at 333Mhz? Once I can boost it up to 200X11 then I can just leave it at 400Mhz
Is it running at 400 or is it rated 400 ?

[bigdawgfoxx]

Same price...well Corsair is 135 and Mushkin is 133

[bigdawgfoxx]

Well its PC3200...so I figured it ran at 400Mhz...

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@21 December 2003 - 21:26
Well its PC3200...so I figured it ran at 400Mhz...
No, the rating doesn't mean that its running at 400.

[bigdawgfoxx]

well then what does it mean? And how fast will it run???

[Virtualbody1234]

Check the settings in your BIOS. In your case, set it to run at the same speed as your FSB.

[bigdawgfoxx]

seems easy enough :D

[bigdawgfoxx]

Whats so special about paris hilton? Is she a celebrity or something or WHAT?? shes not even that fine...

[Virtualbody1234]

Ever heard of Hilton hotels?

Hardware? :lol:

[bigdawgfoxx]

uhh I dont get that lolol...but newayz should I get the Muskin with the tighter timings? Or just get the Corsair and Tighten it to 2-2-2-6?

[bigdawgfoxx]

OK sine noone has an opinion...which one LOOKS better??

[bigdawgfoxx]

HOLY FUCKKK!!!

THE POST BEFORE LAST WAS MY 1,000 POST!!!!!!!!!! I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD BE AT 1,000!!! IM A 5 STAR MEMBER NOW!!!!!




whew...sorry bout all of the excitement

[clocker]

Get the Mushkin.
Who cares what it looks like?
It works great.

[DWk]

5-star spammer more like it :P

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@21 December 2003 - 22:21
HOLY FUCKKK!!!

THE POST BEFORE LAST WAS MY 1,000 POST!!!!!!!!!! I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD BE AT 1,000!!! IM A 5 STAR MEMBER NOW!!!!!




whew...sorry bout all of the excitement
Way to go, bigdawg!!!

Congratulations!

[clocker]

Congratulations, dawg.

If you really want some cool looking RAM get Geil Golden Dragon (http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/memory/GeIL_PC3700_Golden_Dragon_2.html).
That stuff is beautiful!

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by DWk@21 December 2003 - 22:23
5-star spammer more like it :P
How bout everyone on this damn forum thinks your the biggest spammer fag get the fuck outa my thread.

So the mushkin is better...cuz of the better timings? What if i take the corsair and make it 2-2-2-6?

[clocker]

The Mushkin promises to run at those timings.
It will probably run tighter.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Alright...I will go get the credit card :D

FINAL COMPONENTS

CoolerMaster Model:TLF-R82(TLF-R82-E1)Blue 80mm Neon LED Fan.

Asus nForce2 Ultra 400 Motherboard for AMD Processors, Model "A7N8X" RETAIL

AMD Athlon XP 2500+ "Barton", 333 FSB, 512K Cache Processor - Retail

Mushkin 184 Pin 512MB(256MBx2) DDR PC-3200 Level II Dual Pack - Retail

ANY OBJECTIONS? Also is that mushkin shiny? Or is that just the bag?..I want shiny so my cathode will shine off of it and the corsair would prob do that a little...oh well..mushkin it is i guess :D

ANY OBJECTIONS?ANY OBJECTIONS?ANY OBJECTIONS?

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@22 December 2003 - 05:51
Alright...I will go get the credit card :D

FINAL COMPONENTS

CoolerMaster Model:TLF-R82(TLF-R82-E1)Blue 80mm Neon LED Fan.

Asus nForce2 Ultra 400 Motherboard for AMD Processors, Model "A7N8X" RETAIL

AMD Athlon XP 2500+ "Barton", 333 FSB, 512K Cache Processor - Retail

Mushkin 184 Pin 512MB(256MBx2) DDR PC-3200 Level II Dual Pack - Retail

ANY OBJECTIONS? Also is that mushkin shiny? Or is that just the bag?..I want shiny so my cathode will shine off of it and the corsair would prob do that a little...oh well..mushkin it is i guess :D

ANY OBJECTIONS?ANY OBJECTIONS?ANY OBJECTIONS?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[bigdawgfoxx]

why is that funny??

[adamp2p]

I don't think you have any objections here! ;)

Order already!

Edit: oh, and its not funny, its "classic"

[bigdawgfoxx]

Aight here I go

[adamp2p]

So will that handful of money be all gone after this shopping spree of yours?

Or do you have any dough left for a decent video card?

[raiserblade2003]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@22 December 2003 - 04:51
Alright...I will go get the credit card :D

FINAL COMPONENTS

CoolerMaster Model:TLF-R82(TLF-R82-E1)Blue 80mm Neon LED Fan.

Asus nForce2 Ultra 400 Motherboard for AMD Processors, Model "A7N8X" RETAIL

AMD Athlon XP 2500+ "Barton", 333 FSB, 512K Cache Processor - Retail

Mushkin 184 Pin 512MB(256MBx2) DDR PC-3200 Level II Dual Pack - Retail

ANY OBJECTIONS? Also is that mushkin shiny? Or is that just the bag?..I want shiny so my cathode will shine off of it and the corsair would prob do that a little...oh well..mushkin it is i guess :D

ANY OBJECTIONS?ANY OBJECTIONS?ANY OBJECTIONS?
i see you're still going blue on the blue cathode. but oh well more blue light for your silver case....but how many fans do u have? is it just that one?

oh btw, im gald to see im not the only one who think dwk is the biggest spammer on the forum....although he act like hes a really serious guy who only give ppl advice..

P.S. red cathode look better then blue anyways :P

[raiserblade2003]

Originally posted by adamp2p@22 December 2003 - 05:09
So will that handful of money be all gone after this shopping spree of yours?

Or do you have any dough left for a decent video card?
he did say hes usign a credit card... but those stuff shouldn cost 320 dollars...so he should have some left .

[adamp2p]

looks like a good deal, big dawg:

here are some newegg reviews:
Mushkin 184 Pin 256MB DDR PC-3200 Black Hi Perf Level II



Rary,11/25/2003 4:34:35 AM

I have two of these in an asus p4p800 (3.0C), although pricey, they maintain tight timings at my most sadistic clock and voltage settings. If you are running a similar setup, you will not be dissapointed.


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big red monkey,11/6/2003 5:18:15 AM

I own 1x512mb & 2x256mb sticks of this memory. I have the 512mb stick on my AMD 2500+ Gigabyte 7vax & 2x256mb dual channeled on my AMD 2500+ Gigabyte 7n400pro. My Nforce400 is o/c'd to XP3200+ (200x11 v1.675) & Memory runs as spec'd @ 2-2-2-5 by default. This memory costs a little more, but the benefits in performance outway the cost. Never go Cheap on Memory & Mobo, I did once & learned a painful lesson.


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=]RUS[=,8/19/2003 7:59:04 PM

A7N8X + Mushkin 3200 with 5-2-2-2 .. Maaan that's fast .. hehe, soon I will get another 256Mb and will try dual chanel! w00t!

[bigdawgfoxx]

Lol well I WAS going to go red...but that awesome fan deal...which im getting 5! not 1. I couldnt find any good red fans that were that good, and also On another forum people were saying that blue showd up better..and I just want blue for now..I can always change later for like 50 bucks or so haha. Its my PARENTS credit card and no not all of it will be gone...but I duno if i want a new graphics card since i dont game or anything mainly the only game i play is battlefield 1942.

[bigdawgfoxx]

OK FUCK IT...

I was going to buy a blue cathode later but im getting it all NOW! HELL YEAH IM GOING CRAZY WITH THE PARENTS CREDIT CARD!!! HAHA

GIVE ME A GOOD BLUE CATHODE THAT WILL SHINE A GOOD DARK BLUE....a blue that the fans look like kinda.

What about some round IDE cables...hell yah B) are they all pretty much created equal?
Forget the Round IDE cables...im not paying more for shipping then i am for the cable..ill get that in town somwhere.

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@22 December 2003 - 06:25
OK FUCK IT...

I was going to buy a blue cathode later but im getting it all NOW! HELL YEAH IM GOING CRAZY WITH THE PARENTS CREDIT CARD!!! HAHA

GIVE ME A GOOD BLUE CATHODE THAT WILL SHINE A GOOD DARK BLUE....a blue that the fans look like kinda.

What about some round IDE cables...hell yah B) are they all pretty much created equal?
You are one funny motherf*&r!

:lol:

good luck,

I know about the parents credit card thing! dont we all?

Edit: and what: you dont play need for speed underground? That has to be the best directx 9 game I have ever played. You should dl it.

here is a great article about mushkin (http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.html?i=1853)

[bigdawgfoxx]

OK since noone can help me with a Cathode ill just buy a nice one with good review and if it sucks its YALLS FAULT :D nah just playin..ill just return that shit

[bigdawgfoxx]

Im gona get that from a local shop too haha

[clocker]

You should have a hella sweet system when you are finished, dawg.

Make sure that your cathodes will run at the same FSB as your chip....

[bigdawgfoxx]

haha thanks clocker...ill be sure and keep that in mind :D

:beerchug: :beerchug: cheers to everyone who has helped me :D

[clocker]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@21 December 2003 - 23:52
haha thanks clocker...ill be sure and keep that in mind :D


Well, I figured that after you OCed your chip/RAM and vid card you'd probably want to up the performance of your fans and lights, too.

Wouldn't want your cathodes keeping you from great benchies now, would we?

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by clocker+22 December 2003 - 08:26--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 22 December 2003 - 08:26)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@21 December 2003 - 23:52
haha thanks clocker...ill be sure and keep that in mind :D


Well, I figured that after you OCed your chip/RAM and vid card you&#39;d probably want to up the performance of your fans and lights, too.

Wouldn&#39;t want your cathodes keeping you from great benchies now, would we? [/b][/quote]
Yeah, you are right.

What are the access times on the cathodes? Are they 2-2-2-3?

[Virtualbody1234]

If you don&#39;t run them at the same speed as the FSB then they will flicker. Try to avoid that.

[clocker]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@22 December 2003 - 04:21
If you don&#39;t run them at the same speed as the FSB then they will flicker. Try to avoid that.
Indeed.
That could induce a seizure.

[3rd gen noob]

i think you should have got the corsair :-"

[atiVidia]

Originally posted by clocker@22 December 2003 - 08:25
"I&#39;m afraid I can&#39;t do that, Dave."
sorry 4 going off topc but r u supposed 2 be HAL?

EDIT&#33; i just noticed that it even matches ur avatar

[atiVidia]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@22 December 2003 - 08:43
i think you should have got the corsair :-"
yea he prolly should&#39;ve

[clocker]

He&#39;ll be very pleased with the Mushkin.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by clocker@22 December 2003 - 13:41
He&#39;ll be very pleased with the Mushkin.
yeah, no doubt about that...

just a bit of corsair brand loyalty kicking in :)

[bigdawgfoxx]

Yeah well the mushkin has better timings...which I could prob push even further..and with dual channel and all it will haul....

Dont tell me I should cancel my order and get the corsair..

[bigdawgfoxx]

ABU YOU SHOULD HAVE SPOKE SOONER YOU MOTHERFUCKER :D

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@22 December 2003 - 14:20
ABU YOU SHOULD HAVE SPOKE SOONER YOU MOTHERFUCKER :D
well, i was asleep at the time

and i&#39;d wager that the corsair would pull tighter timings than the mushkin :)

[clocker]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@22 December 2003 - 08:21


and i&#39;d wager that the corsair would pull tighter timings than the mushkin :)
How much?

[bigdawgfoxx]

I can cancel it...but wouldnt that take a while... and the corsair went down 10 bux..lol but its only at 2-3-3-6

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by clocker+22 December 2003 - 14:23--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 22 December 2003 - 14:23)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-3rd gen noob@22 December 2003 - 08:21


and i&#39;d wager that the corsair would pull tighter timings than the mushkin&nbsp; :)
How much? [/b][/quote]
i don&#39;t know....1000 e-pounds?

[bigdawgfoxx]

nvm its not cheaper...should i cancel?

what all is involved with cancling on newegg? is it fast and then i can just put another order together..

i doubt people are working in the warehouse yet newayz

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@22 December 2003 - 14:26
nvm its not cheaper...should i cancel?

what all is involved with cancling on newegg? is it fast and then i can just put another order together..

i doubt people are working in the warehouse yet newayz
nah, just leave it as it is...the difference is miniscule

p.s. i&#39;ve got my corsair ram running 2-2-2-5 at 333MHz :)

[bigdawgfoxx]

well forget yall newayz sept clocker&#33; On the abzone or w/e forum that adam directed me to there is a whole thread about weather mushkin still rules...everyone on there said yes and that they got better timings with muskin then corsair..

just saying corsair XMS sounds awesome...and mushkin sounds kinda gay..but o well..they still look good.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@22 December 2003 - 14:32
well forget yall newayz sept clocker&#33; On the abzone or w/e forum that adam directed me to there is a whole thread about weather mushkin still rules...everyone on there said yes and that they got better timings with muskin then corsair..

just saying corsair XMS sounds awesome...and mushkin sounds kinda gay..but o well..they still look good.
i lose 1000 e-pounds then?

[clocker]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@22 December 2003 - 08:33

i lose 1000 e-pounds then?
Yup.
Pay up bucko or you&#39;ll be getting a visit from my enforcer, JPaul.

Bigdawg...
you do realize that the variations that you realize from the timing are so miniscule that only a benchmark program will ever be able to tell the difference?

I based my recommendation not so much on the tighter timings but more on the rock solid stability/longevity that Mushkin is known for.

My system is currently clocked higher than a XP3200+ with PC 3200 RAM and it is happy as a clam.

[RGX]

Are clams particularly happy?

I personally would have gone for the corsair because of their reputation, but horses for courses

[bigdawgfoxx]

Well if the diff in timings are so miniscle then why dont we just buy value ram huh?

what is so great about the exspensive stuff. And clocker you said mushkin for there rep...but isnt corsairs rep better?

I really duno...but I have listened to clocker before and I think the mushkin will be FINE...GREAT...AWESOME :D :beerchug:

[clocker]

All the clams of my personal acquaintance have been ecstatic.

Reputation does count for something, but I&#39;ve found that many a time the good rep far outshines the actual deed.

Edit: Dawg, Yes Corsair has a very good reputation. They are a far bigger company and more people have heard of them.
Mushkin is much smaller, and as a result have a more underground presence.
Just cruise a forum like Overclockers.com and see how many people ( and who they are) that show Mushkin in their sigs....

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@22 December 2003 - 16:25
Well if the diff in timings are so miniscle then why dont we just buy value ram huh?
warranty and stability :)

the mushkin ram will do you very nicely too

[bigdawgfoxx]

Well isnt corsairs rep better then mushkin...and if the timings are so small i cant tell then i would have gotten the corsair...but what do people tighten timings for if you cant tell a diff? like if i was running it at 1.5-2-2-6 compared to 2-3-2-6....could i tell a diff?

[clocker]

Stop agonizing.
You&#39;re going to be very happy and you&#39;re beginning to sound like a granny.
Sheesh...

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@22 December 2003 - 16:27
Well isnt corsairs rep better then mushkin...and if the timings are so small i cant tell then i would have gotten the corsair...but what do people tighten timings for if you cant tell a diff? like if i was running it at 1.5-2-2-6 compared to 2-3-2-6....could i tell a diff?
why do you ask so many questions? :)

mushkin ram is among the best in the world, so just be happy :)

[bigdawgfoxx]

lol ok sorry...i was just wondering if thightening the timings anymore is worth it.

[clocker]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@22 December 2003 - 10:32
lol ok sorry...i was just wondering if thightening the timings anymore is worth it.
Oh, you&#39;re in for hours of fun trying to determine that....

[Lamsey]

No, it&#39;s not worth it at all - it makes little difference to even a benchmark test, and you will certainly not be able to notice any difference during the usage of the PC.

It is best to aim for stability and effeciency; use your RAM at the exact same clock rate as your CPU&#39;s FSB and let the BIOS decide all the other timings for you by SPD; this&#39;ll give you the safest and most stable set up.

[bigdawgfoxx]

oh alright I will just leave it alone then.

What about thermal paste? does my retail barton come with it...and if it does is is any good? if not which kind should i buy?

[clocker]

Yes, your chip will come with a pad.
Actually it will come on your HS.
Many people seem to really like the products from Arctic Silver....

[bigdawgfoxx]

alright ill get artic silver...and i should take the pad off right..as i hear there not as good as paste.

[clocker]

Yes, remove the pad.
Go to Arctic Silver&#39;s website and read the directions for using the paste.
Most people put on WAY TOO MUCH&#33;

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@22 December 2003 - 16:48
alright ill get artic silver...and i should take the pad off right..as i hear there not as good as paste.
Yes; you should use some sort of spirit and a cotton bud to do it; meths should do the trick, as I remember.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by Lamsey+22 December 2003 - 11:52--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lamsey @ 22 December 2003 - 11:52)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@22 December 2003 - 16:48
alright ill get artic silver...and i should take the pad off right..as i hear there not as good as paste.
Yes; you should use some sort of spirit and a cotton bud to do it; meths should do the trick, as I remember. [/b][/quote]
whoa whoa whoa..i dont understand any of that lolol

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx+22 December 2003 - 16:54--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigdawgfoxx @ 22 December 2003 - 16:54)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Lamsey@22 December 2003 - 11:52
<!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@22 December 2003 - 16:48
alright ill get artic silver...and i should take the pad off right..as i hear there not as good as paste.
Yes; you should use some sort of spirit and a cotton bud to do it; meths should do the trick, as I remember.
whoa whoa whoa..i dont understand any of that lolol [/b][/quote]
As in, don&#39;t scrape the pad off; it will scratch the underside of the cooler. Use a soft cotton bud dipped in methylated spirits to gently rub off the residue from the pad.

[bigdawgfoxx]

so i will just go to the store and ask for methalayted spirits?

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@22 December 2003 - 17:05
so i will just go to the store and ask for methalayted spirits?
how old are you?
they might not sell you it...

[Kunal]

Lamsey do you know any reliable places i can artic silver in the UK?

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by Kunal@22 December 2003 - 17:06
Lamsey do you know any reliable places i can artic silver in the UK?
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Onl...terials_27.html (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Thermal_Materials_27.html) :)

[clocker]

Just go here... (http://www.arcticsilver.com/instructions.htm)

[Kunal]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+22 December 2003 - 19:07--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 22 December 2003 - 19:07)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Kunal@22 December 2003 - 17:06
Lamsey do you know any reliable places i can artic silver in the UK?
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Onl...terials_27.html (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Thermal_Materials_27.html) :) [/b][/quote]
Thanks 3rd gen :)

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+22 December 2003 - 19:06--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 22 December 2003 - 19:06)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@22 December 2003 - 17:05
so i will just go to the store and ask for methalayted spirits?
how old are you?
they might not sell you it... [/b][/quote]
:lol:

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by adamp2p+22 December 2003 - 17:59--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (adamp2p @ 22 December 2003 - 17:59)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@22 December 2003 - 19:06
<!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@22 December 2003 - 17:05
so i will just go to the store and ask for methalayted spirits?
how old are you?
they might not sell you it...
:lol: [/b][/quote]
a chemist refused to sell my benilyn (the cough medicine) when i was about 13

i doubt they&#39;d sell a young adult some methylated spirits... :rolleyes:

[bigdawgfoxx]

lol oook...it says scrap or pull the strip off...then use something to get all of the rest of the pad off...what should I use to get the residue off that is left on there??

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@22 December 2003 - 18:33
lol oook...it says scrap or pull the strip off...then use something to get all of the rest of the pad off...what should I use to get the residue off that is left on there??
:frusty:

Methylated spirits and a cotton bud :rolleyes:

[bigdawgfoxx]

are you serious or is that a joke? lol is methalayted spirits a liquid

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@22 December 2003 - 19:18
is methalayted spirits a liquid
only within a certain pressure/temperature range

[bigdawgfoxx]

My first question was never answered&#33;

What does the ratio mean exactly? And if I have the RAM running at 333Mhz and the CPU running at 333Mhz then would I just have it 1:1?

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@22 December 2003 - 19:20
And if I have the RAM running at 333Mhz and the CPU running at 333Mhz then would I just have it 1:1?
yes

[bigdawgfoxx]

My grandparents just sent me &#036;500 for xmas :D I think I like what I bought tho..I prob could have gotten a little faster CPU...Maybe the deluxe..but I dont really need it...I will just buy some cathodes and rounded cables.. :o dvd burner or something maybe..as right now all i have is a 8X CD-RW

Or graphics card..I still have &#036;150 out of that &#036;500 because I have spent &#036;350 on components. I can still spend that &#036;150 and wont have spent ANY of my money..in my sig..So I will still have about &#036;400 :D

[raiserblade2003]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@22 December 2003 - 21:13
My grandparents just sent me &#036;500 for xmas :D I think I like what I bought tho..I prob could have gotten a little faster CPU...Maybe the deluxe..but I dont really need it...I will just buy some cathodes and rounded cables.. :o dvd burner or something maybe..as right now all i have is a 8X CD-RW

Or graphics card..I still have &#036;150 out of that &#036;500 because I have spent &#036;350 on components. I can still spend that &#036;150 and wont have spent ANY of my money..in my sig..So I will still have about &#036;400 :D
&#036;500??????????? i only got 100 from my grandparent :( i guess they dont love me enough :( :( :(

[adamp2p]

You should see if you can still get your hands on the 9500 pro.


they have one here for &#036;178 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-258&depa=1)

http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/14-102-258-06.JPG

or you should get the 9600 XT if you like half life 2 you can get it for free:

here (http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/product.asp?pid=8054&sid=4MLCL8V651MU9NUNC4SP5SJ1P4LFBQ6C)

http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/assets/aux_images/31017086XT_1.jpg

and you should get a new monitor too...

[bigdawgfoxx]

Lol well..the monitor I have now suits me ok...Its a 17in CRT at 85Hz refresh rate and it looks pretty good. Is the 9500Pro better then the 9600XT? I dont like Half Life lol

The only game I REALLY want to play on my new machine is Battlefield 1942 with desert combat mod :D that 9500 will look niceeee I bet

I mean the 9600XT runs at 500Mhz core and the 9500PRO runs at 275Mhz core...The 9600 just looks better but I know its something with the 8 pipelines..lol cant the 9500Pro be overclocked alot also?

[adamp2p]

I am sure as you play more games you will find more that you fancy.

The great thing about the ATI DX9 performace is the fact that you can enable FSAA and AF very high and increase the appearance of the textures dramatically. If you plan on grabbing a 9500 pro, I advise you jump on it as soon as possible, because they dont even make them anymore and they give better framerates than the 9600 XT at high resolutions.

I highly recommed NFSU, it changed the whole way I thought of gaming. Or try call of duty. You can download the demos for free, or if you get the download manager flashget, I will give you direct links to download the full version free.

The 9500 pro is a steal and I advise you jump on it ASAP&#33; ;)

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@22 December 2003 - 23:19
Lol well..the monitor I have now suits me ok...Its a 17in CRT at 85Hz refresh rate and it looks pretty good. Is the 9500Pro better then the 9600XT? I dont like Half Life lol

The only game I REALLY want to play on my new machine is Battlefield 1942 with desert combat mod :D that 9500 will look niceeee I bet

I mean the 9600XT runs at 500Mhz core and the 9500PRO runs at 275Mhz core...The 9600 just looks better but I know its something with the 8 pipelines..lol cant the 9500Pro be overclocked alot also?
Yes, when you overclock the 9500 pro it performs almost exactly as well as the 9700 pro. Did you not see the Aquamark3 benchmarks I showed that proved this?

...anyways, I have to go to physical therapy now...from that car accident...

[bigdawgfoxx]

lol i gotta go wensday cuz i had surgery on my knee...

Ok well really I dont think I will get this card because i hardlyyyy ever play games...and i would kind of like to keep that &#036;150 in my pocket..or maybe buy a new optical drive as i use that more then i game..ugh i just duno lol..that will be the most expensive thing ive bought for my system and the least used..lol

[_John_Lennon_]

I hope your motherboard comes with rounded cables, because you will spend 20+ dollars on 2 IDE/ATA cables and a floppy cable, plus shipping.

Yet another reason why I got the EpoX 8RDA3+, rounded IDE cables.

http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?im...-123-198-06.JPG (http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=13-123-198-08.JPG/13-123-198-07.JPG/13-123-198-03.JPG/13-123-198-04.JPG/13-123-198-06.JPG)


http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/13-123-198-03.JPG

[bigdawgfoxx]

Yeah well im getting them from a local shop and they are only like &#036;3-4 each...with no shipping. And mine wont be light blue they will be dark blue or silver...im going for silver

[bigdawgfoxx]

damnnn if you havnt seen the chapell show episode 10 with the rkelly video..download it..thats the funniest thing ever&#33;

[_John_Lennon_]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@22 December 2003 - 18:39
Yeah well im getting them from a local shop and they are only like &#036;3-4 each...with no shipping. And mine wont be light blue they will be dark blue or silver...im going for silver
Ahh, thats good.

Usually its either a trade off of cheap prices but shipping online, or like 8 dollars a cable in a store.

[bigdawgfoxx]

100 Post...haha yeah thats usually what it boils down too...except on the higher priced stuff cuz its all free shipping. I ordered 2nd day delivery cuz it was only &#036;10 more for everything and i want that stuff&#33; lol

[adamp2p]

What&#39;s the deal dawg? What&#39;s the point of owning such a powerful machine if you cannot use it to emulate virtual reality?

I can understand that your old celeron could barely pump it up...in conjunction with that crappy excuse for a graphics card PCI MX 440...but come on dawg...

I personally am convinced once you experience the might of your new beast you will be unsatisfied with its graphics performance with that damn PCI card and you will demand power. Having a powerful system is in vain if it serves no purpose, like a rebel without a cause.

;) :)

It&#39;s all about AGP8X, dude (edit). 2.0 GB/sec dedicated to the graphics bus. Get the damn data off of the PCI bus&#33; Save it for the freaking modem&#33;

[RGX]

Originally posted by adamp2p@23 December 2003 - 01:40
What&#39;s the deal dawg? What&#39;s the point of owning such a powerful machine if you cannot use it to emulate virtual reality?

I can understand that your old celeron could barely pump it up...in conjunction with that crappy excuse for a graphics card PCI MX 440...but come on dawg...

I personally am convinced once you experience the might of your new beast you will be unsatisfied with its graphics performance with that damn PCI card and you will demand power. Having a powerful system is in vain if it serves no purpose, like a rebel without a cause.

;) :)

It&#39;s all about AGP8X, dude (edit). 2.0 GB/sec dedicated to the graphics bus. Get the damn data off of the PCI bus&#33; Save it for the freaking modem&#33;
I agree, you have a racehorse with lead hooves :D

[bigdawgfoxx]

So will the 9500Pro last me a pretty long time..even tho its a pretty old card?

I mean..I dont game at ALL hardly...sept when i get BF 1942 I think I will play it a TON...but thats IT. I use money on other things than just games. And the 9500Pro is clocked alot slower then the 9600Pro..what makes the 9500Pro better?

[DWk]

its not THAT old....

look its not the matter of how old it is....its how GOOD it is...

a friend of mine has had the geforce4 ti4600 for about a year+ and he aint changing his vid card yet....the card is so powerful it can still handle stuff....

[bigdawgfoxx]

RXG and DWK both of yall have racehorses with lead hoves&#33; lol

[DWk]

what u mean? sry dont understand that phrase :(

[_John_Lennon_]

DWK doesnt exactly have a race horse, more of a throughbred. :lol:

No but serious, a 9500Pro or Non pro will do you fine. (alot of non pros can be soft modded to be a pro, and the modding is mostly firmware modding from what I understand.)

Anyway, im getting a 9500Pro soon like I said, and it will do you and me fine for awhile to come. I know you can grab a 9600 regular for about 135 on Newegg atleast, sureably less than that if you look around. Just be froogle (heh) and be sure not to get a 9600SE or something if you choose to get a new card.

[DWk]

oh more words i dont understand :ph34r: :( :rolleyes:

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@22 December 2003 - 19:59
And the 9500Pro is clocked alot slower then the 9600Pro..what makes the 9500Pro better?
Answers pleaseee

[adamp2p]

;) :lol: Look big dawg, I don&#39;t want to harp on this that much longer.

Trust me, once you see quality framerates in games you will want to play more of them. You just think games suck because you are playing games on an unacceptable medium. :angry:

So take my advice or don&#39;t, okay, but I don&#39;t see why you are not using a real graphics card in your new system. The mx440 is garbage. It will, in my opinion, pollute your system with bad mojo. :ph34r:

You should either get a 9600 XT or a 9500 pro, otherwise suffer the consequences.

:unsure: :blink: :huh:

[bigdawgfoxx]

Now ATI has released the finalized version of the 9500 PRO. Thanks to the reduced memory bandwidth, the new board is much cheaper to produce, as it only has half the number of pipelines to the memory modules as the 9700. Apart from a revised layout for the memory modules and the voltage converter, the differences don&#39;t appear to be very major. ATI has also now decided to dispense with the heatsink at the rear of the card behind the converter.

I just read that off of tomshardware. How do I know that the card on newegg.com isnt one of the new 9500Pros? One with only 4 pipelines?

[adamp2p]

why dont you read through this thread bid dawg, it will answer all your questions (http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=124413)

just make sure to read all 5 or 6 pages. ;)

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@23 December 2003 - 03:24
Now ATI has released the finalized version of the 9500 PRO. Thanks to the reduced memory bandwidth, the new board is much cheaper to produce, as it only has half the number of pipelines to the memory modules as the 9700. Apart from a revised layout for the memory modules and the voltage converter, the differences don&#39;t appear to be very major. ATI has also now decided to dispense with the heatsink at the rear of the card behind the converter.

I just read that off of tomshardware. How do I know that the card on newegg.com isnt one of the new 9500Pros? One with only 4 pipelines?
that&#39;s just tom&#39;s hardware spam, IMO.

[bigdawgfoxx]

WoW...I was looking at the benchmarks on tomshardware...and the 9500Pro looked good. It was beating the TI 4200 by a bit and I liked what I saw, but THEN, they turned the resolution up real high lots of FSAA or w/e and Antitroscopic (or w/e the hell its called) and the 9500Pro KICKED THE TI4600 ASS&#33; ...wow that was very impressive. I think I will go ahead and buy this card...but I dont want to have to wait a whole freaking nother 2 days for it...

Which do you think will provide better gameplay and filtering and stuff?
9500Pro, or 9600Pro?

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@23 December 2003 - 01:34
9500Pro, or 9600Pro?
9500 pro :)

[bigdawgfoxx]

AGREED&#33; I just saw some more stuff on toms hardware lol the 9500Pro fo sho...

Hell..the 9500Pro beats the 9600XT also

[_John_Lennon_]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@22 December 2003 - 21:24


I just read that off of tomshardware.&nbsp; How do I know that the card on newegg.com isnt one of the new 9500Pros?&nbsp; One with only 4 pipelines?
Read the product link&#39;s info.

http://www.sapphiretech.com/VGA/9500pro.asp

8 pipeline....... Although the card doesnt look like the one they are selling at new egg.

*shrugs.

[adamp2p]

Look big dawg, we all want you to be happy. Of course we want you to spend as little money as possible.

So, if you can&#39;t afford the 9500 pro, or want to save your money, the 9600 XT is a great alternative. Regardless, you should get at least a 9600 pro. From what I have been reading, all three are great overclockers.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by adamp2p@23 December 2003 - 02:02
Regardless, you should get at least a 9600 pro. From what I have been reading, all three are great overclockers.
yep, my 9600 pro clocks up from 400/600 standard to 520/620 :)

[bigdawgfoxx]

Ok well the 9500Pro beats both the 9600Pro and 9600XT hands down. They are all about the same price, so I&#39;m thinking I should go with the 9500Pro...DUH lol

Damn 3rd gen I bet your card can beat the 9500Pro...lol I wonder if I can overclock that thing as much as you overclocked urs..

Which would yall choose?
Radeon 9500Pro 128MB, or
Radeon 9600XT 256MB? They are the same price.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@23 December 2003 - 02:12
Radeon 9500Pro 128MB, or
Radeon 9600XT 256MB? They are the same price.
i&#39;d go for the 9600xt personally, if only for half life 2 free

[bigdawgfoxx]

Well the 9500Pro has TWICE the pipelines..will that make alot of diff in picture? And I dont really think i want to DOWNLOAD ( <_< ) HL2...I would take the hardcopy tho.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@23 December 2003 - 02:17
Well the 9500Pro has TWICE the pipelines..will that make alot of diff in picture?
the benchmarks should tell you all you need to know about that :)

[bigdawgfoxx]

Lol ok well then the 9500Pro wins bigtime. And the 9600XT is BLACK..which is tight but I want a red ATI card lol. And it has a SMALL heatsink and SMALL fan..Not good for overclocking at ALL...I think the 9500Pro will be much more overclockable.

[adamp2p]

Here we go again, big dawg... :rolleyes:

The 256 version of the XT has slower rams. The 9500 pro will be an overall better card for the money (if you can still get your hands on it).

Edit: why do you care what color the freaking card is?

[bigdawgfoxx]

Cuz im a picky mother fucking son of a bitch...and if im getting an ATI the motherfuckers gona be RED i tell you...I will get the 9500Pro bitches.

IM ORDERING IT....OK WITH EVERYONE?

[DWk]

http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2003q4/...xt/index.x?pg=1 (http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2003q4/geforcefx-5900xt/index.x?pg=1)

tsk tsk sry to let ya down......nvidia all the way :w00t:

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by DWk@23 December 2003 - 04:36
http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2003q4/...xt/index.x?pg=1 (http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2003q4/geforcefx-5900xt/index.x?pg=1)

tsk tsk sry to let ya down......nvidia all the way :w00t:
:spam:

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@23 December 2003 - 04:33
Cuz im a picky mother fucking son of a bitch...and if im getting an ATI the motherfuckers gona be RED i tell you...I will get the 9500Pro bitches.

IM ORDERING IT....OK WITH EVERYONE?
Well you can rest assured that the 9500 pro ATI card is a red PCB.

Actually big dawg, I noticed that the 9500 pro that newegg has is a Sappiretech version, which is one that I would prefer for myself if I could choose. So what if it is black?

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by DWk@23 December 2003 - 02:36
http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2003q4/...xt/index.x?pg=1 (http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2003q4/geforcefx-5900xt/index.x?pg=1)

tsk tsk sry to let ya down......nvidia all the way :w00t:
http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2003q4/geforcefx-5900xt/cod-a.gif

so the middle range ati card, the 9600xt, keeps up with the top of the range nvidia card, the 5900xt

yeah, go nvidia <_<

;)

[DWk]

5950 is nvidias top card <_<

and it goes hand2hand with the 9800xt.... tsk tsk

[bigdawgfoxx]

haha fo real&#33; ATI cards WHOOP at higher resolutions and lots of filtering you stupid bitch...im going for the mother fucking 9500PRO&#33; I will have spent about &#036;600 for my new computer with everything&#33; My gparents gave me &#036;500 and I got another &#036;100 from everywhere else...lol so basicly I got an AWESOME new computer for Xmas :D

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by DWk@23 December 2003 - 02:45
5950 is nvidias top card&nbsp; <_<

and it goes hand2hand with the 9800xt.... tsk tsk
fine, whatever, but the 9600xt keeps up with the second best (?) nvidia card then... ;)

[bigdawgfoxx]

DWK all of your spamming has made me loose ALL respect for u..and i dont think anyone else respects you either. ATI IS THE CLEAR WINNER its sooo much freakin better at high resolution...and the 9800XT beats it...with a HIGH resolution and lots of filtering the 9800XT whoops it..

wheres the STFU guy when you need him?? haha

[DWk]

im confused...... 9600xt is basically ati&#39;s "second" card.....

btw.... why insults bigdawg? :(

edit: BY THE WAY...we are talking about cards in the 100-200 dollars range...

edit2: what spamming? we are talking about something and im not blurting out dumb answers.... im contributing to the topic.... oh and plz dont think i moved from my chair because you "lost all respect for me"

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@23 December 2003 - 04:48
DWK all of your spamming has made me loose ALL respect for u..and i dont think anyone else respects you either. ATI IS THE CLEAR WINNER its sooo much freakin better at high resolution...and the 9800XT beats it...with a HIGH resolution and lots of filtering the 9800XT whoops it..

wheres the STFU guy when you need him?? haha
big dawg, did you notice that the 9600 xt beats the 5900 xt at high res with AA and AF.

Listen big dawg, let me explain it to you: high res with high AA and AF is a good thing because that means that the scenes are being rendered in high quality: something you will learn about very soon...

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by DWk@23 December 2003 - 02:49
im confused...... 9600xt is basically ati&#39;s "second" card.....
in ati&#39;s current line up, the 9600 is the second card to the 9800 (the 9700 isn&#39;t in the new line up)

the nvidia 5600 is supposed to be the direct competitor for the radeon 9600 series, but there&#39;s no competition there, really

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by DWk@23 December 2003 - 04:49
oh and plz dont think i moved from my chair because you "lost all respect for me"
side note:

ignore this guy, he must have some serious issues that he never resolved from his childhood. Maybe his mother dropped him on his head. Stop paying him any attention.

[DWk]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@22 December 2003 - 20:53
the nvidia 5600 is supposed to be the direct competitor for the radeon 9600 series, but there&#39;s no competition there, really
not precisely..... price range is what dictates a direct competitor....and the price range we are talking (100-200), the 5900 IS a competitor....wether its a better card or not....

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by DWk@23 December 2003 - 02:55
not precisely..... price range is what dictates a direct competitor....and the price range we are talking (100-200), the 5900 IS a competitor....wether its a better card or not....
100-200 what?
remember there are many different nationalities on the board here

prices in one country might not square with those in other countries

plus 100 units could be a rather large gap (depending on the currency)

:)

[adamp2p]

And let me say this as a disclaimer: I have no feelings against Nvidia.

As soon as they release a respectable product, I will respect it.

Since the DirectX9 environment has been introduced, ATI has been the king. Plain and simple. However, that was not the case with the DirectX8 environmenrt, where Nvidia was the clear winner.

So there still is a future for Nvidia: DX10 and PCI express too. It&#39;s not all over for them. But there will always be a certain percentage of losers around who don&#39;t read the results, they just like to start arguements for no reason. I choose to ignore such fools. ;)

[DWk]

Originally posted by DWk@22 December 2003 - 20:49
edit: BY THE WAY...we are talking about cards in the 100-200 dollars range...
sry...as i said before....

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by DWk+23 December 2003 - 02:59--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DWk @ 23 December 2003 - 02:59)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-DWk@22 December 2003 - 20:49
edit: BY THE WAY...we are talking about cards in the 100-200 dollars range...
sry...as i said before.... [/b][/quote]
i missed that edit. i apologise

however, a 100 dollar price range is rather large, perhaps the range should be reduced to 100-150 or 150-200?

[DWk]

Originally posted by adamp2p@22 December 2003 - 20:59
Since the DirectX9 environment has been introduced, ATI has been the king.&nbsp; Plain and simple.&nbsp; However, that was not the case with the DirectX8 environmenrt, where Nvidia was the clear winner.

So there still is a future for Nvidia: DX10 and PCI express too.&nbsp; It&#39;s not all over for them.&nbsp; But there will always be a certain percentage of losers around who don&#39;t read the results, they just like to start arguements for no reason.&nbsp; I choose to ignore such fools.&nbsp; ;)
yea 2 bad directx, being a more "profitable" system, took over opengl :(

its cool....v0od0o is coming back to take opengl back to the top over this dx8 and dx9 cards...


EDIT: k 150-200 :)

[bigdawgfoxx]

Yeah a 5900 isnt under &#036;200 USD....

@ adam...yes I know about the filtering and everything pretty well..does it just filter everything and make it look better?

And what are the two types? FSAA and antitroscopic...or something? whats the diff and whats there purpose

Thanks :D

[bigdawgfoxx]

***goes to get the credit card***

[DWk]

http://www.pricewatch.com/1/37/5587-1.htm

those are not even just regular 5900 but 5900SE (or as ppl call it, 5900xt)



FSAA: Full Screen Anti-Aliasing
FSAA usually involves drawing a magnified version of the entire screen in a separate framebuffer, performing AA on the entire image and rescaling it back to the normal resolution. As you can imagine, this is extremely CPU intensive. You will never see non hardware accelerated FSAA.

Anisotropic Texture Filtering
Anisotropic filtering is the best but most CPU intensive of the three common texture filtering methods. Trilinear filtering is capable of producing fine visuals, but it only samples from a square area which in some cases is not the ideal method. Anisotropic (meaning &#39;from any direction&#39;) samples from more than 8 pixels. The number of sampled pixels and which sampled pixels it uses depends on the viewing angle of the surface relative to your screen. It shines when viewing alphanumeric characters at an angle.

EDIT: btw, the 5900 is bundled with Call of Duty

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@23 December 2003 - 05:16
Yeah a 5900 isnt under &#036;200 USD....

@ adam...yes I know about the filtering and everything pretty well..does it just filter everything and make it look better?

And what are the two types?&nbsp; FSAA and antitroscopic...or something? whats the diff and whats there purpose

Thanks :D
Well let me put it to you this way: with 4X AA and 8X AF NFSU looks so good that it is almost perfect visually. That is one of the reasons I have been continually recommending that you get NFSU and try it. It is a lot more fun than any other game I have played recently, and the image quality is so realistic as well as the keyboard reactivity.

What is spectacular about AA and AF is that you get higher texture quality overall.

If you turn it up too much then the performance of the card will turn into the likes of a slide show. Use what I listed above and you will be amazed. It is that simple.

Playing good computer games gets close to simulating reality enough so you forget where you are and get completely sucked into the game. I have been experiencing this a lot recently, and hope you do too.

:)

Edit: All games you play that are written for the DirectX9 API will look better with AA and AF.

[bigdawgfoxx]

yeah but the 5900se is a pos prob..what do you do with those filters? do you turn both of them all the way up and use them at the same time?

[DWk]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@22 December 2003 - 21:23
yeah but the 5900se is a pos prob
may be.....but until you try it you cant be sure of this....thats the bad thing about shopping haha

about the filters....yea all up and try if ur card can handle em

edit: oh adam already answered....there u go :)

[bigdawgfoxx]

@ ADAM

With the pretty high performance parts I have and the 9500Pro...what should I turn the AA (which is that antitroscopic or w/e?) and AF (is that FSAA??) too? Like what settings you think? Also what is ntfu of whatever? I play BF 1942 :D :D I love that game

:beerchug: cheers to adam for beeing a good bud and helping me out

[bigdawgfoxx]

I just ordered mine..cheers :beerchug:

[bigdawgfoxx]

One more thing...It comes with the standard connector, and then that DVI adapter thing that has a longer slot to plug it in? Which do I use? Should I plug my monitor directly into the card or use that adapter..w/e its for.

[Virtualbody1234]

So, let me get this right.

Your going to get a 2500+ and overclock it.
Your going to get the best RAM with the tightest timing to overclock that.
Your going to get a new graphics card and overclock that.

And you are wanting this computer for the occasional game of BF 1942 ?

Can I ask you a serious question? Why even overclock for that? And why even get that &#39;best RAM&#39; etc...

[bigdawgfoxx]

No, I dont plan on overclocking my Graphics card or my ram. Just my CPU maybe later...but nothing will be overclocked for now or the next month or 2. Can someone help me with that connector or something?

[DWk]

what connector?

the "regular" should do fine.... but i dunno what connector ur talking about....

[raiserblade2003]

plug it directly into the card...the other one is for dual monitor i think....but DAMMMMMNNNNN going from a system w/ a celeron and mx440 to a barton 2500 and a 9500 pro :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink:


lucky motherfucker...im stuck here w/ a amd 2100 and a very soon to arrive 9600xt (the gfx card isnt too bad)

[bigdawgfoxx]

lol whyd you get the 9600XT??? you should have gotten the 9500Pro

[raiserblade2003]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@23 December 2003 - 05:31
lol whyd you get the 9600XT??? you should have gotten the 9500Pro
couldnt find any 9500 pro....been to newegg, pricewatch, amamax (anybody heard of them)

[bigdawgfoxx]

9500Pro (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?DEPA=1&sumit=Go&description=9500pro&searchdepa=1)

Damn dude..its easy to find...just type in 9500Pro and it comes up..

[bigdawgfoxx]

ERIC FINALLY HAS ONE AWESOME FREAKING SYSTEM&#33;

Asus A7N8X
Awesome Mushkin PC3200 2X256MB 2-2-2-6
80GB Seagate
2500XP "Barton"
ATI Radeon 9500 Pro (I never thought I would have such a nice card. I always thought that since I dont game much I wouldnt need one..but now I have one and I am SOOOO freaking HAPPY&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;)
Awesome chieftec case and 500watt PSU
Blue glowing case mind you.

[raiserblade2003]

:blink: :blink: how i miss that? :blink: :blink: buts its 40 bucks more then my 9600xt whivh i think i shouldnt have bought

[bigdawgfoxx]

dont worry about it man..there both really nice cards...mines just a lillll bettter :D haha

[raiserblade2003]

yup a lllilllll better......wont notice it in bf1942 or any other game though :P

plus, i get hl2 so :P :P :P :P :P


i konw u could still download it but :P :P :lol:

[raiserblade2003]

see and after ordering teh 9600xt, im feel kinda guilty as to spend all that money on that card....when i could get a 9600 256mb and have 50 dollars left to buy my mom a better christmas gift :( ......made me feel worst when she says shes gonna give me &#036;700 dollars (well &#036;500 actully cuz she owes me 200) in january :( :( :( :(

[DWk]

so what you both do if hl2 never comes out?

[adamp2p]

Big dawg, you will love gaming much more than ever before because it will be much more realistic than ever before.


Full Scene Anti Aliasing (FSAA)
Full-Scene anti-aliasing (FSAA) is a sampling technique that creates more detailed and realistic looking images, by removing the stair stepping effect seen on the edges of objects within computer generated images. High quality anti-aliased graphics are achieved with sub-pixel edge detection and color compression for greatly improved performance. Full scene anti-aliasing modes 2x/4x/6x.

http://www.guru3d.com/review/hercules/prophet9700/antial.jpg



Anisotropic Filtering
Anisotropic filtering enhances overall 3D quality by rendering sharp, detailed textures. As more texture samples are filtered, the image quality improves. Without Anisotropic Filtering, objects and environments in the 3D world will appear blurry and fuzzy, effectively degrading the level of realism.

http://www.guru3d.com/review/hercules/prophet9700/anisotr.jpg



Anisotropic filtering improves image quality by sampling textures more frequently. This is particularly important for objects rotated at sharp angles relative to the viewpoint. For example, textured flat ground in the distance and scenes with rotating 3D objects in the foreground will both benefit from anisotropic filtering, and are typically found in today’s gaming content. The R300 VPU filters more samples than the competition, with minimal performance degradation. Supported Anisotropic filtering modes on the Radeon 9800 XT are 2x/4x/8x/16x

[bigdawgfoxx]

What does my card support? how much FSAA and how much Anisotropic?

And my monitor is a 3 year old 17&#39; black Dell CRT...its nice with goooood colors and stuff..but not a flat screen or nothin...So it wont be AWESOME gaming lol

[raiserblade2003]

Originally posted by DWk@23 December 2003 - 06:03
so what you both do if hl2 never comes out?
i dont plan on playing hl2 or doom3 becuz....i dont even have the guts to download those two games as to playing them :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:

[bigdawgfoxx]

@ ADAM

What was that NFUS game you were talking about that is awesome?? I cant wait to play battlefield on my computer&#33;&#33;&#33; lol :D I dont know how much I will love it tho..as all I have is 2 speakers which are kinda nice...and a 17&#39; monitor...

[adamp2p]

download nfsu here (http://downloads.gameplanet.co.nz/dl.dyn/Files/3278.html)

It is the best DX9 game I have played so far. The textures are so high quality you wont believe it.

The 9500 pro I believe has the same AA and AF as the 9800 XT.

[RGX]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@23 December 2003 - 02:04
RXG and DWK both of yall have racehorses with lead hoves&#33; lol
I cant afford a new card right now, so ive overclocked it, i agree it is the bottleneck in my sytem, but the cpu and ram seem to be making up for it, no lag in most games


The main difference between us, Bigdawg, is that you have the PCI version, which I understand is a lot slower than the AGP 8x, hence it will probably be much more of a drain on your game playing potential

I now see you have the 9500, good call, should do you fine :)

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by adamp2p@23 December 2003 - 01:31
The 9500 pro I believe has the same AA and AF as the 9800 XT.
...which is...lol

[bigdawgfoxx]

Also how big is the full game of NFSU so I can try to download the full version?

[DWk]

AA = Anti-aliasing
FSAA = Full-Screen Anti-aliasing
AF = Anisotropic Filtering

nfsu= 2 cds

[bigdawgfoxx]

Yeah I know what they mean...but can my card go up to 16X and 6X?? or what? How high can I put it?

I just bought this stuff right here

This is to put all of my power supply cabling in and all my other ugly cords so that everything looks nice and pretty :D I have 3 diff sizes
http://www.sighost.us/members/bigdawgfoxx/tubing.jpg

Here is the round IDE connector and the blue Cathode I bought...saw an example of it in the store and it looked very nice :D
http://www.sighost.us/members/bigdawgfoxx/round_ide_and_cathode.jpg

[adamp2p]

AA and AF makes the game look better/more realistic, its as simple as that.

[bigdawgfoxx]

I KNOWWW&#33;&#33;

How far can my card go though? Whats the max setings? 8X? 4X? 16X????

[bigdawgfoxx]

Once I put everything together, what should be the first CD I insert? The Windows O/S or the motherboard disc?

[DWk]

windows of course......

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@23 December 2003 - 21:50
I KNOWWW&#33;&#33;

How far can my card go though?&nbsp; Whats the max setings? 8X? 4X? 16X????
Okay, first I am going to answer another one of your questions:

first install the windows disk and configure it to boot from disk. The Windows XP disk has adequate drivers to support your motherboard intially.

I highly recommed to create a 6 gb partition on your harddrive first, which will be C, which will be for Windows and your favorite applications; then make sure that while in the disk format partition utility to create the remaining space into your desired partitions, otherwise the remaining space will not be recognized by the OS.

The reason why you want to create a 6 gig partition just for windows is because the OS should be a tidy small disk separate from the rest of your storage, consider the fact that the brain of your computer should be kept especially tidy.

I highly advise you spend about a half hour reading tweakhounds guide to installing xp (http://www.tweakhound.com/xp/installxp/installXP1.htm) make sure to read all pages so you understand what is going on.




This is what I consider the proper order to install XP, its updates/drivers/patches and applications.

1.&nbsp; XP

2.&nbsp; SP1

3.&nbsp; IE 6, SP1

4.&nbsp; DirectX 9.0a

5.&nbsp; Chipset drivers

6.&nbsp; Video Card Drivers. (run disk cleanup)

7.&nbsp; NIC/Modem Drivers and ISP software

8.&nbsp; Windows Update, Internet Explorer service packs, updates

9.&nbsp; Windows Update, Critical Updates (till there are no more)

10. Windows Update, Other Updates. (don&#39;t load unnecessary items)

11. Windows Update, Drivers.

12. Other Drivers (try to automatically update first) (run disk cleanup)

13. Major applications. Fully update each application before installing the next.

14. The rest of your apps. (run disk cleanup)

15.&nbsp; Anti-Virus software and update it.

16.&nbsp; Configure email, move My Documents to another drive

17. Cleanup System Tray, organize Start Menu.

18. Safe Mode, disk cleanup and derfagment.

19. Run Boot Vis.




that will teach you some refined methods that should be of use.

The 9500 pro I believe has the same AA and AF as the 9800 pro/xt series. You just look in the Open GL and direct 3d tabs for your options.

It should take a good day to build your new system, install the os and configure. Keep us posted on any details or problems that come up&#33;

;) :)

[raiserblade2003]

nahh if he knows what he is doing, it should take him 3 hours max...about 1 hour and a half to installed everything, 45 mins to installed windows, and 45 mins to installed everything else.

but the aa and af setting will depends on the game you&#39;re playing...generally if you got a 9500 pro you should be able to max it out on games that arent too graphically demanding...like splinter cell.

btw, if you have halo at 800x600 and max out aa and af, will the quality be the same as it is on 1024x768?

[bigdawgfoxx]

Alright adam thanks for all of your help&#33; What step do I put the disc in that comes with my mobo? Just say like 4, 5, or 6 or w/e.

Here is what I have done with my PSU already

http://www.sighost.us/members/bigdawgfoxx/clean_psu.jpg

Ok Adam here is what I have done with my HDD so far. The space for the Windows will be 10GB and I have 70GB for all of my media. Then once I put the windows disk in I will just tell it to reformatt the C: drive and install windows on there and then windows will load up and everything...right?

[adamp2p]

It&#39;s a little more confusing than that. You cannot create tha 10GB partition until you boot the disk effectively. Once the cd loads the partiton manager, thats where you make the ten gig partiton and the 70 gig partition.

you do the f8 I agree thing first and choose to delete (I think you push l) the old partitions and choose to format using the NTFS file system (NOT quick format)

then choose to install XP on the 10 gig partition, which you will have to enter in megabytes and windows see 1024 mb = 1 gig

10240 mg = 10 gigs

dont forget to create (not format) the remaining by selecting the remaining space and creating the other partion

[bigdawgfoxx]

I dont want to do that because then I will loose all of my data. Clocker told me to already creat diff partitions which I have done. Then just install windows on the 10GB and leave the other one alone...I think that would work.

[adamp2p]

Well I think he is right there.

As long as Windows recognizes the partions that you made. everything should go fine. What utility did you use to create those partitions?

My personal advice to you is to back everything up to CDs and then reformat the whole disk.

[clocker]

He used Partition Magic (I think), Adam.
Windows has always recognized those partitions for me.
Backing up is always a good idea anyway, just to be safe....
During install, have Windows reformat C: drive as usual,dawg...

[bigdawgfoxx]

Ok, I think I clearly understand. Adam I used Partition Magic 8, as Clocker advised me too. I have about 50GB of media so there is NO WAY I am backing that all up onto CDs.

[clocker]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@23 December 2003 - 17:36
I have about 50GB of media so there is NO WAY I am backing that all up onto CDs.
Lazy sod.

[bigdawgfoxx]

lol dont u mean lazy sob? And that would take forever and cost alot...it would be much better to just put it on a new partition that way if something does ever happen to windows then i wont loose all my data usually. Thanks for all the help clocker :beerchug: to ya

[_John_Lennon_]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@23 December 2003 - 20:41
lol dont u mean lazy sob? And that would take forever and cost alot...it would be much better to just put it on a new partition that way if something does ever happen to windows then i wont loose all my data usually. Thanks for all the help clocker :beerchug: to ya
Heh, I have about that much in stuff to back up, which is why I put it on my parents computer, hehe.

Btw, speaking of bigdawg, if you wanted to you could easily use that old celeron with Linux, and buy a nice big hard drive to have a file server/backup source.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Lol nah...thats way to much clutter..I just plan on having this new one and this old one will sit out in the garage or something...maybe go to my little brother later in life.