Earthstationv

[johnboy]

I read a bit about this in zeropaid but I'm not sure I understood it...if anyone wants to read about it and quickly summarize it feel free... their website is http://www.earthstationv.com
and all info can be found here: http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php...p?threadid=7599

[Longdong]

annoying beeping on the site, not released yet either

[johnboy]

read info about it with the other link i provided...

[johnboy]

I've got a lot of info on ES5, heres the very basic of what i know:
-All files verified
-1.5 terabytes on their servers for direct download. The server is made of 12000 Cisco Routers which means fast speeds.
- Also a ES5 P2P download option depending on file
- Complete anonymity

[random nut]

I believe it when I see it.

[johnboy]

I'm leaning to their side but i'll be all the way their when i try it out...lets give them the benefit of a doubt at least

[random nut]

Originally posted by johnboy@25 February 2003 - 23:11
I'm leaning to their side but i'll be all the way their when i try it out...lets give them the benefit of a doubt at least
There are a couple of ridiculous and weird claims made by them that makes me feel something's not right. Until they prove me otherwise (release it so we'll know) then I won't believe anything they've said. Even if they do release it I won't use it. I might try it, but I won't use it more than that. Why? Because I know I'll never get 1Mbyte/s speeds with it. I can get that speed with DC++ and K++.

[johnboy]

they never mentioned specific speeds...they just said faster speeds...Kazaa is unreliable because it depends on Kazaa users and their upload speeds...a 24/7 server is reliable. All I'm expecting is faster speeds than Kazaa, not 1 MB/s speeds. According to them it should be out this week but then again it could be delayed just like skinzaa (which delayed but didn't mean it was a hoax).
We'll see

[random nut]

Umm, no Kazaa is NOT unreliable. DC++ or any p2p program that only allows downloads from one user per file is unreliable. If a user exits the program your download stops. Since Kazaa allows downloads from more than one user per file it can download from other users to speed up a download if the users you're downloading from don't have as fast an Internet connection as you do.

I expect slower speeds. I got a 10Mbps connection. Now if you have maybe ADSL you won't notice a thing, but I'm sure I will get slow speeds (ADSL speeds).

[johnboy]

Um yes it is unreliable... I don't go on Kazaa and get fast speeds all the time. Sometimes I get .64 KB/s and others 100 KB/s....Can i go onto Kazaa and 100% rely that it will provide me 100 KB/s ?? No, I can never know for sure... servers will at least keep the range of speeds very small.

[dingoBaby]

I too read up on Earthstation on ZP and I am still very skeptical about the whole thing. I agree with random nut.

[johnboy]

well, what can i do- Its normal for everyone to feel a little skepticism...I'm sure people felt skepticism about a program called Kazaa that can share video files and had multi-source downloads but HEY, look at it now. Same could apply to this one, alls it needs is some benefit of a doubt...then we do criticism ;)

[random nut]

I'd rather be skeptic about something I've never seen than believing some strangers on the Internet claiming to have created the best p2p program in the world. The Internet is full of such claims.

[mike kkm]

i don't belive it.

[johnboy]

You'd rather be skeptic, thats fine. But you do also admit you could be wrong, right? I'm a little skeptic but I'm leaning towards their side

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by johnboy@25 February 2003 - 22:22
I've got a lot of info on ES5, heres the very basic of what i know:
-All files verified
-1.5 terabytes on their servers for direct download. The server is made of 12000 Cisco Routers which means fast speeds.
- Also a ES5 P2P download option depending on file
- Complete anonymity
There are so many reasons to be sceptical about this that it is difficult to know where to start. So forgive me if the post wanders. I will just make the points as they occur.

1. Having looked it is obviously a professionally created site. So either a commercial enterprise or a ruse by the authorities.

2. If they have 1.5 TB on their servers for direct download then then either it is material which is already freely available, or it is subject to copyright.

3. If it is subject to copyright then what makes them think that they will not be prosecuted. Unless they already know that for some reason.

4. Will they be charging for it's use. If so then no thanks, that's totally against the concept of sharing.

5. If they are not charging directly then what is the business model. Could it be ads / spyware.

6. To me this is at best a new Kazaa i.e. commercial exploitation ( let's face it they don't do it for nothing). It may possibly be a way for business to get some revenue from the sharing community. i.e. "Let's face it they are already sharing. If we charge them $5 a month for a fast server that they still think is f*@cking us then great". That's certainly how the web page reads.

7. Worst case scenario, details of sharers and what they are sharing will be recorded and passed to the relavant authorities.

As far as the technical issues are concerned, I will leave that sort of thing to RN

Cheers

JimF

PS JB try not to sound like an advert for this.

[The Great Dude]

Got to see it first before believing anything. ;) This world is filled with liers.

[namzuf9]

I've watched the thread on ZP with interest but it does sound to good to be true. The internet as a whole is rumour/fake city so its always worrying when someone comes along with outrageous cliams such as the like that have revovled around ESV.
Personally I&#39;m keeping an open mind and hoping <_<

[N£MO]

I have been reading alot about ES5 on other forums lately and i will reservre judgement until i actually see this out.There are alot of so called new p2p programs out there that never even get released for one reason or another...so why is this no different....

[johnboy]

@Jim F: yes its free. It will have copyrighted files, and to avoid being closed, they&#39;ll be doing what Kazaa does which is working till now. In fact they&#39;ll even have complete anonymity where no one will know your IP at all. They&#39;ll make money with an Ad, not spyware, but just an ad. I don&#39;t mind looking at 1 harmless ad in return for direct downloads, do you? And I don&#39;t think ES5 is a dirty scoundrel but who knows. I don&#39;t have inside information, I&#39;m just a beta tester waiting. BTW screenshots of it can be seen in UTC

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by johnboy@26 February 2003 - 00:46
@Jim F: yes its free. It will have copyrighted files, and to avoid being closed, they&#39;ll be doing what Kazaa does which is working till now. In fact they&#39;ll even have complete anonymity where no one will know your IP at all. They&#39;ll make money with an Ad, not spyware, but just an ad. I don&#39;t mind looking at 1 harmless ad in return for direct downloads, do you? And I don&#39;t think ES5 is a dirty scoundrel but who knows. I don&#39;t have inside information, I&#39;m just a beta tester waiting. BTW screenshots of it can be seen in UTC
Does Kazaa (Sharman Networks) share files. Sorry I wasn&#39;t aware of that. I was under the impression that it was a method of individuals sharing files across the fast track network. Please forgive my ignorance.

Could you possible point me towards the server where the direct downloads are available.

Which particular version of KMD do you use. Personally I prefer K++. In fact isn&#39;t this the Kazaa Lite forum. Why are you putting KMD forward as a reasonable analogy. I personally hate it, which is why I took up RN&#39;s option. If the original was OK it wouldn&#39;t have been hacked. The hacked version certainly wouldn&#39;t have become so popular.

If you don&#39;t have inside information, how do you know it will be free nd how do you know they will have 1 add.

Thanks, your post has made me even more uncomfortable.

Cheers

JimF

PS advertising the screen shots, why.

[johnboy]

ahhh sarcasm sarcasm sarcasm...tisc tisc
Well lemme tell you first of all, that I use K++...its da bomb. Secondly, NO kazaa does not have files in its servers...you should know that Kazaa has users that share files ( i forgive you for your ignorance). And the screenshots, well, i&#39;m afraid the don&#39;t prove anything; just thought you&#39;d like to see some pictures of some weird program
Knowing that it has 1 ad is not inside information, that can be found anywhere (es5.com and zeropaid forum). Off course they could be lying but my knowledge of 1 ad is not inside

[J'Pol]

It wasn&#39;t sarcasm, I was only replying to what you said in your post.

Your argument was at best specious, I just thought I&#39;d point it out.

Your last post does no more than support my position, the analogy is flawed.

Caveat Emptor

Cheers

JimF

[johnboy]

well Jim I no longer feel like debating so allow me to end it. I just don&#39;t feel like having to clarify things further if others don&#39;t understand.
You may keep your thoughts on ES5 whilst I keep mine, and we continue posting in K-Lite forums. No more argument, no more sarcasm, and we&#39;ll just exhaust what was happening here.

[johnboy]

Well, I think I read somewhere that ES5 will be out by the end of this month. Well, tommorrow is the last day of this month, so if it is real, then it will be out tommorrow. If its not out tommorrow either I read a rumor of it coming out or its vaporware.

[daniel042]

I would be very suspicios about this new majical p2p es5 thing. I bet it is an RIAA scam to draw users from other popular filesharing programs.

[cooolway]

I really want to try out this Peer to Peer software :blink:

[lunatacs]

could be true, even great, maybe wonderful for only three easy payments a year or monthly :D :rolleyes:

[puremindmatters]

This looks like an excellent opportunity to announce my own/slightly modified p2p program.
This is the first screenshot (still not quite ready for prime time though):

http://www.boomspeed.com/pmmatters/RKLite.GIF

[dingoBaby]

Wow...a picture of the Big Bang on a p2p network. This new fangled internet never ceases to amaze me. ;)

Regarding ES5 it still reeks of scam/setup, but thats just my opinion.

[FuNkY CaPrIcOrN]

:w00t: :w00t: :w00t: :w00t: :w00t:

You have got to be kiding me.Did you see all that shit it claims it is going to have.Please....if any network was going to have a sex room it would be ours.Ahhhhh yeah.....I forget we already do.

:w00t: :w00t: :w00t: :w00t: :w00t:

[DataMore]

Can you trust something that has all these domains? <_<

http://www.earthstationv.com
http://www.earthstationv.net
http://www.es5.com
http://www.es5.net
http://www.es5.biz
http://www.es5.info
http://www.es5.org
http://www.esfive.com
http://www.esfive.net
http://www.esfive.biz
http://www.esfive.info
http://www.esfive.org
http://www.earthstation5.net
http://www.earthstation5.cc
http://www.earthstation5.co.uk
http://www.earthstation5.org
http://www.earthstation5.ws
http://www.earthstationfive.cc
http://www.earthstationfive.co.uk
http://www.earthstationfive.tv
http://www.earthstationfive.ws
http://www.earthstationfive.com
http://www.earthstationfive.net
http://www.earthstationfive.org
http://www.earthstationv.biz
http://www.earthstationv.info
http://www.earthstationv.org
http://www.earthstationv.cc
http://www.earthstationv.tvboreon8.com
http://www.sextopia4.com
http://www.sextopia4.net
http://www.titaron2.com
http://www.zeon3.com

[Benno]

Originally posted by DataMore@11 March 2003 - 17:17
Can you trust something that has all these domains? <_<

http://www.earthstationv.com
http://www.earthstationv.net
http://www.es5.com
http://www.es5.net
http://www.es5.biz
http://www.es5.info
http://www.es5.org
http://www.esfive.com
http://www.esfive.net
http://www.esfive.biz
http://www.esfive.info
http://www.esfive.org
http://www.earthstation5.net
http://www.earthstation5.cc
http://www.earthstation5.co.uk
http://www.earthstation5.org
http://www.earthstation5.ws
http://www.earthstationfive.cc
http://www.earthstationfive.co.uk
http://www.earthstationfive.tv
http://www.earthstationfive.ws
http://www.earthstationfive.com
http://www.earthstationfive.net
http://www.earthstationfive.org
http://www.earthstationv.biz
http://www.earthstationv.info
http://www.earthstationv.org
http://www.earthstationv.cc
http://www.earthstationv.tvboreon8.com
http://www.sextopia4.com
http://www.sextopia4.net
http://www.titaron2.com
http://www.zeon3.com
This really proves that this must be a big company.
IMO if it really have all the features it will cost something for sure. <_<

[lunatacs]

[QUOTE]Can you trust something that has all these domains? [QUOTE]


Just another way of spamming your name throughout the net, i think.

[Skillian]

Maybe they have watched and learned. Could be just a way of protecting their name?

Maybe Kazaa should have done this and registered http://www.kazza.com, http://www.kaaza.com/, http://www.kaazaa.com etc. etc. etc.

[lunatacs]

your right, that was a good idea. I thought of that but then i was like " this isn&#39;t cheap" ... maybe they have more money to spend then they know what to do with it...

[SideSwiped]

Okay, I thought on a whim to d/l the ES5, it doesn&#39;t like Win98 much, holy crap the damage it did to my registry. I took a look at their forum, I know it&#39;s in the developmental stage, but if you&#39;re going to try it, wait for them to fix some of the bugs. It&#39;s got a lot of them. I&#39;m surprised they released it so soon, I know you gotta test it, but still.......

[Blue_Seraphim]

Es5 saying it will have faster speeds by using dedicated servers is a facade. No way it could be faster than p2p. What happens when you have multiple computers(users) trying to connect to a single or multiple servers ??? LAG LAG LAG :o Especially when the users are DL&#39;ing files. The users will far outway the servers .
Then how do you overcome this??? More servers. More servers=more&#036;&#036;&#036;

[puremindmatters]

I&#39;m testing it right now, and it does seem to be very buggy - but hell, it&#39;s a beta, what do you expect.
I got speeds last night which were incredible in the true sense of the word (150K with a 768k line) but some errors prevented the downloads from completion, and they disappeared without a trace (it attempted to use multiple sources and failed miserably).
I gave it another shot today and had mediocre speeds (around 50K) but at least the two movies I downloaded were completed and error free.
Since they were single source http pulls, I would have been surprised if it was any different.

I don&#39;t think I am ready to judge it yet, since it is a beta, and since no real average sized network with 1,000,000 or more users exists to run a meaningful test. Money doesn&#39;t seem to be much of an issue for them at the moment, and they are indeed planning to expand their already pretty impressive server array.

I think they stirred up a lot of hype and suspicion at the same time, and so far neither of them seem to be justified. If you are curious, you should check it out, but if you want to see the real performance you&#39;d better wait until they release a bug-free version and have all of their servers up and squeezed by more users than a handful of beta testers.

[J'Pol]

To each their own. I have made my thoughts clear on this matter. I would certainly not use such a system until I have a better idea of what (and who) is behind it. Caveat emptor as they say.

["The Avatar Man"]

Originally posted by puremindmatters@12 March 2003 - 13:49
I&#39;m testing it right now, and it does seem to be very buggy - but hell, it&#39;s a beta, what do you expect.
I got speeds last night which were incredible in the true sense of the word (150K with a 768k line) but some errors prevented the downloads from completion, and they disappeared without a trace (it attempted to use multiple sources and failed miserably).
I gave it another shot today and had mediocre speeds (around 50K) but at least the two movies I downloaded were completed and error free.
Since they were single source http pulls, I would have been surprised if it was any different.

I don&#39;t think I am ready to judge it yet, since it is a beta, and since no real average sized network with 1,000,000 or more users exists to run a meaningful test. Money doesn&#39;t seem to be much of an issue for them at the moment, and they are indeed planning to expand their already pretty impressive server array.

I think they stirred up a lot of hype and suspicion at the same time, and so far neither of them seem to be justified. If you are curious, you should check it out, but if you want to see the real performance you&#39;d better wait until they release a bug-free version and have all of their servers up and squeezed by more users than a handful of beta testers.
you can get these speeds on kazaa.
so what?
it ain&#39;t worth wastin your time it will never be bigger than fastrack therefore never have as many files.

[puremindmatters]

True... I had 90-95KB/s on Kazaa, but never for a single file. And as I said before, I have problems believing that the 150KB were real.
The only thing which makes it interesting for me is the single source constant download from beginning to end, which means of course less errors. Don&#39;t get me wrong - I&#39;m far from being convinced that this will work at all, if/when they get more traffic. I just got very curious when I read some threads in ZP, and right now there simply isn&#39;t enough material on there which would induce me to extend my tests. I got three movies which I probably wouldn&#39;t even have looked for on Kazaa, so it wasn&#39;t exactly wasting my time and at least I know roughly what all these flame wars were about.

@JmiF yeah, you are probably right - I read quite a lot on ZP, and most of their answers as to where the money is supposed to come from were extremely evasive and hazy. All I can say for certain is that there is no spyware or any known trojan included in the beta, that might be add-ons they reserve for the proper release.

[Chilly]

I dont think i will be downloading this it seems to have a bad read up looking at these posts :(

I will come back when it&#39;s past it&#39;s beta trial :lol:

And there are a few more better quotes ;)

[junkyardking]

damn this program is buggy had to disable zonealarm, to config from auto to firewall.

I think the person who designed the interface must have been a star trek fan with commands like
"make it so" plus this program has as many holes as a star trek epsoide.


worse beta ever tried and the speeds on 56k are about the same as on k-lite.



by the way does anybody know who&#39;s actually running this?

:blink:

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by junkyardking@13 March 2003 - 12:13
damn this program is buggy had to disable zonealarm, to config from auto to firewall.


Could you explain the above. Do you have a firewall running. Have you allowed this software to bypass it.

Very interested.

[puremindmatters]

Originally posted by junkyardking@13 March 2003 - 12:13
damn this program is buggy had to disable zonealarm, to config from auto to firewall.

I think the person who designed the interface must have been a star trek fan with commands like
"make it so" plus this program has as many holes as a star trek epsoide.


worse beta ever tried and the speeds on 56k are about the same as on k-lite.



by the way does anybody know who&#39;s actually running this?

:blink:
I&#39;m running ZPpro, and didn&#39;t have to disable it.

All Star Trek fans who have tried this beta will disagree with you - the episodes are infinitely more consistent than this program.

If you haven&#39;t tried that yet, you will have a nightmare de-installing it. It keeps on claiming that it is still running, even if you shut it down and closed all processes. I had to do it the rough way - deleting it manually and using regcleaner. Watch out for an entry for excalibur. It&#39;s associated with es5.

On a closing note, I had three successful downloads out of 7 attempts. I don&#39;t think they are going to release anything other than more betas any time soon.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by puremindmatters+13 March 2003 - 15:18--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (puremindmatters @ 13 March 2003 - 15:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--junkyardking@13 March 2003 - 12:13
damn this program is buggy had to disable zonealarm, to config from auto to firewall.

I think the person who designed the interface must have been a star trek fan with commands like
"make it so" plus this program has as many holes as a star trek epsoide.


worse beta ever tried and the speeds on 56k are about the same as on k-lite.



by the way does anybody know who&#39;s actually running this?

:blink:
I&#39;m running ZPpro, and didn&#39;t have to disable it.

All Star Trek fans who have tried this beta will disagree with you - the episodes are infinitely more consistent than this program.

If you haven&#39;t tried that yet, you will have a nightmare de-installing it. It keeps on claiming that it is still running, even if you shut it down and closed all processes. I had to do it the rough way - deleting it manually and using regcleaner. Watch out for an entry for excalibur. It&#39;s associated with es5.

On a closing note, I had three successful downloads out of 7 attempts. I don&#39;t think they are going to release anything other than more betas any time soon. [/b][/quote]
Current verdict, words of one syl, that man.

[junkyardking]

i dont use zonealarm pro with kazza lite, just doesnt work i left the basic free version on when i tried earthstation first it tried to activate and go thought the file wall and generated a error in user.dat file even after giving it both access and server, turned of firewall then it worked so i changed it from auto to firewall and restarted the computer.

It worked behind the filewall but even when i did&#39;nt run it, my sytem was so slow and there was the ocassional error poping up, i then manually uninstall it and used regclean to rid it from my system and my system was good again.


I disagree star trek is full off holes, just like this beta program it&#39;s more like an alpha.

One more thing i have noticed for awhile now, companys are releasing betas as fully fleged programs and they expect you pay for it <_< .

[jetje]

a nice bump, for the memories :)