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ricochet
12-31-2003, 02:35 AM
Im looking for a good lcd monitor with a fast response time ( under 20 ms. ) without speakers and arround 18 or 19 inch...

Price arround 6 or 700.00 usd.

I want to use this for general surfing and some games like ut2k3, Halo, call of duty ect. Game playing is only a few hours a week :( .

I have been looking for a long time but cant find much info on response times in most overviews and tech specs . So I thought the k-lite guys would know, does anyone got any ideas ???

Mr. Elmo
12-31-2003, 02:37 AM
600 or 700? :o :o :o :o i could build a decent gaming compouter w/ that....are you sure you want to spend taht much on a monitor?

ricochet
12-31-2003, 02:50 AM
Yea. I want something that will last for a long time, and have a great picture,I need another moniter for my next pc Im going to TRY to build...

This one Im on now goes to the kids...

Mad Cat
12-31-2003, 02:52 AM
http://www.tomshardware.com/display/20030902/19_lcd-14.html

muchspl2
12-31-2003, 02:53 AM
http://resellerratings.dealtime.com/xPP-Mo...__20_-viewsonic (http://resellerratings.dealtime.com/xPP-Monitors-lcd-9844_price_range_600_700-18____20_-viewsonic)
or
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?...ory=1226&DEPA=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=20&manufactory=1226&DEPA=1)

best you can get reponse time I believe is 16ms and dell just came out with a 20incher

Mad Cat
12-31-2003, 02:57 AM
Once you bought it and got it, if there are any "dead pixels" you should immediately take it back and demand a refund.

Pretend you got a 1024x768 native resolution LCD monitor. Thats 786432 pixels you should have viewable. But, you only really get 786429. This can be very annoying, and if you get on but they say its standard to have one or 2 dead, tell them that if they don't replace it, then it was falsely advertised, since it said you get 1024x768, but you don't.

_John_Lennon_
12-31-2003, 03:00 AM
Originally posted by Mad Cat@30 December 2003 - 21:57
Once you bought it and got it, if there are any "dead pixels" you should immediately take it back and demand a refund.

Pretend you got a 1024x768 native resolution LCD monitor. Thats 786432 pixels you should have viewable. But, you only really get 786429. This can be very annoying, and if you get on but they say its standard to have one or 2 dead, tell them that if they don't replace it, then it was falsely advertised, since it said you get 1024x768, but you don't.
Alot of places, like newegg on their LCD's, have a minimum 3 dead pixel clause.

Mad Cat
12-31-2003, 03:01 AM
Originally posted by _John_Lennon_+31 December 2003 - 03:00--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (_John_Lennon_ &#064; 31 December 2003 - 03:00)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mad Cat@30 December 2003 - 21:57
Once you bought it and got it, if there are any "dead pixels" you should immediately take it back and demand a refund.

Pretend you got a 1024x768 native resolution LCD monitor. Thats 786432 pixels you should have viewable. But, you only really get 786429. This can be very annoying, and if you get on but they say its standard to have one or 2 dead, tell them that if they don&#39;t replace it, then it was falsely advertised, since it said you get 1024x768, but you don&#39;t.
Alot of places, like newegg on their LCD&#39;s, have a minimum 3 dead pixel clause. [/b][/quote]
In the UK we can legally return the item within 7 days of purchase if we are not satisfied with its quality.

EDIT: its not exactly 7 days, but megh, I&#39;m tired so I&#39;m not doing research.

muchspl2
12-31-2003, 03:04 AM
in america we can refuses payment if you use a cc
I would send it back cod return receipt and reverse charges if that happen to me

ricochet
12-31-2003, 03:12 AM
All of the 18 or 19 inch viewsonic have response times of 25 and 30 ms. some 17 have 16 ms. response times but i wanted something bigger..
I seen the 20 incher that dell has but that is like 1000.00 usd... :(

Mr. Elmo
12-31-2003, 03:16 AM
Originally posted by _John_Lennon_+31 December 2003 - 03:00--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (_John_Lennon_ @ 31 December 2003 - 03:00)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mad Cat@30 December 2003 - 21:57
Once you bought it and got it, if there are any "dead pixels" you should immediately take it back and demand a refund.

Pretend you got a 1024x768 native resolution LCD monitor. Thats 786432 pixels you should have viewable. But, you only really get 786429. This can be very annoying, and if you get on but they say its standard to have one or 2 dead, tell them that if they don&#39;t replace it, then it was falsely advertised, since it said you get 1024x768, but you don&#39;t.
Alot of places, like newegg on their LCD&#39;s, have a minimum 3 dead pixel clause. [/b][/quote]
now most monitor on newegg now is a minimum 8 dead pixel b4 you can rma it

Mad Cat
12-31-2003, 03:20 AM
Just send it back and say it doesn&#39;t work, at all.

muchspl2
12-31-2003, 06:00 AM
Originally posted by ricochet@30 December 2003 - 22:12
All of the 18 or 19 inch viewsonic have response times of 25 and 30 ms. some 17 have 16 ms. response times but i wanted something bigger..
I seen the 20 incher that dell has but that is like 1000.00 usd... :(
well you pay for the cutting edge if it has 30ms and higher you ghost on fps but 20 - 25 is bad, but the bigger and faster you pay more, my next monitor will probably be a crt until the plasmas come down in price
I don&#39;t need the lcd coolness factor

ricochet
12-31-2003, 06:08 AM
Originally posted by muchspl2+31 December 2003 - 06:00--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (muchspl2 &#064; 31 December 2003 - 06:00)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-ricochet@30 December 2003 - 22:12
All of the 18 or 19 inch viewsonic have response times of 25 and 30 ms. some 17 have 16 ms. response times but i wanted something bigger..
I seen the 20 incher that dell has but that is like 1000.00 usd... :(
well you pay for the cutting edge if it has 30ms and higher you ghost on fps but 20 - 25 is bad, but the bigger and faster you pay more, my next monitor will probably be a crt until the plasmas come down in price
I don&#39;t need the lcd coolness factor [/b][/quote]
I thought that the Lower the ms it is the better the lcd moniter. not the higher...


Is that right????

I cant seem to find anything lower than 25 ms in 18 or 19. Except the dell for 1000.00 usd.

Would I get any goasting on a 25 ms. ???

GCNaddict
12-31-2003, 06:17 AM
im not into LCDs, but if it gets a good review on PCMAG or MAXPC then id get it cuz my CRT is making me get a headache

(btw) some smart@&#036;&#036; guy patented a method for using the radioactive element in CRTs to stimulate the nervous system and trick it into anything, including, but not limited to:

1) relaxation
2) anger
3) depression
4) loss of stool
5) sudden high
6) sexual stimulation (including Orgasms, ewww&#33;)

actually, maybe ill stick with the CRT a little longer :lol:

dont believe me? search the patent office. ull find it

i just saw the new "Report" feature on the board. whats that supposed to do?

just get a radiation filter for ur current CRT and ull avoid the headache

muchspl2
12-31-2003, 06:31 AM
Originally posted by ricochet+31 December 2003 - 01:08--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ricochet @ 31 December 2003 - 01:08)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by muchspl2@31 December 2003 - 06:00
<!--QuoteBegin-ricochet@30 December 2003 - 22:12
All of the 18 or 19 inch viewsonic have response times of 25 and 30 ms. some 17 have 16 ms. response times but i wanted something bigger..
I seen the 20 incher that dell has but that is like 1000.00 usd... :(
well you pay for the cutting edge if it has 30ms and higher you ghost on fps but 20 - 25 is bad, but the bigger and faster you pay more, my next monitor will probably be a crt until the plasmas come down in price
I don&#39;t need the lcd coolness factor
I thought that the Lower the ms it is the better the lcd moniter. not the higher...


Is that right????

I cant seem to find anything lower than 25 ms in 18 or 19. Except the dell for 1000.00 usd.

Would I get any goasting on a 25 ms. ??? [/b][/quote]
yes sorry thats what I was trying to say, you can get a 17 inch with 16ms or wait
personally its up to you you said you don&#39;t play games but you want the very best, choices you have to make like I said 20 -25ms isn&#39;t bad but its nowhere close to a good crt

3rd gen noob
12-31-2003, 06:40 AM
Originally posted by Mad Cat@31 December 2003 - 02:01
In the UK we can legally return the item within 7 days of purchase if we are not satisfied with its quality.

EDIT: its not exactly 7 days, but megh, I&#39;m tired so I&#39;m not doing research.
it&#39;s 14 days, i believe

and for what it&#39;s worth, i hate lcd monitors :)

Mad Cat
12-31-2003, 02:26 PM
The big advantages to LCD monitors are size and weight. Thats about it.