Vcd, Svcd, Kvcd

[nat]

sorry if this is in the wrong place but i was wondering which format is the best choice vcd, svcd or kvcd? if there are advantages and disadvantages over one plz specify

thx :)

[TheFilePirater]

SVCD all the way...kvcd is pretty pointless, quality is less than VCD but it holds more...

then again, it depends on wat source its coming from and what yourd dvd play supports

VCD-70-80min \
KVCD-1hr to 2hr |----how much a 700mb 80min cd-r can hold
SVCD-50min /

EDIT: wheres much??! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[zedd]

it would be nice to know what all those letters mean in the descriptions of movies anyway

[muchspl2]

:rolleyes:
kvcd is best all around solution, 2 hours on 1 cd = teh win
svcds are bulky and require 3 disc to fit the whole movie most of the time, hell vcd requires 2 disc most of the time, it just sucks to have to swap disc half way through

[zedd]

when looking at the description of a movie to download, what does [smr] mean

[Gre1]

Originally posted by TheFilePirater@12 January 2004 - 16:55
SVCD all the way...kvcd is pretty pointless, quality is less than VCD but it holds more...

then again, it depends on wat source its coming from and what yourd dvd play supports

VCD-70-80min \
KVCD-1hr to 2hr |----how much a 700mb 80min cd-r can hold
SVCD-50min /

EDIT: wheres much??! :lol: :lol: :lol:
I keep saying u can not judge every kvcd by one u have seen. Kvcd is right near dvd quality all on one disc u just need to know what u are doing.

[Keikan]

Kvcd isn't that compatible tho

[muchspl2]

Originally posted by Keikan@12 January 2004 - 19:46
Kvcd isn't that compatible tho
I have tried it in about 30 different players, most have no problems playing kvcd

[Gre1]

It's just about compatible as vcd and svcd I played one in my brother's truck and it played so I know alot of dvd players can support them just go to www.kvcd.net to find out how many are supported and that's not a full list because every dvd player hasn't been tested.

[Robert00000]

VCD is pointless if your dvd player supports the other two, because it just wastes space on the disc as it only supports CBR (constant bit rates).

SVCD and KVCD use VBR (variable bit rates) so they offer better use of the disc space.

It's just a matter of choice which you use. If you want the best quality use SVCD, if you want to fit more on each cd use KVCD.

I use none of the above, prefer to create DVD complient movies. I can get a similar quality to space ratio as KVCD on my movies by lowering the VBR, and they are compitible with all dvd players.

vcd, svcd and kvcd are only for people with cd writers. If you have a dvd writer you don't need to bother with them. i think these formats will become virtually extinct as dvd writers become more commonly used, especially with the introduction of dual layer dvd-r discs in the near future.

I can fit 3 hours of dvd quality movies on one 4.7 Gb dvd-r disk, so there simply isnt the need to resort to formats with limited player support.

You can of course buy dvd players that support mpeg4 format movies, so supporting its derivatives (Divx/Xvid). They offer far better compression than any of the above :D.

[freak]

I think kvcd all the way... as for you TheFilePirater u must have had a crappy kvcd or kvcd's. all mine are very very close to dvd quiltey and u really can't notice it!

[Gre1]

Kvcd doesn't use bitrate it uses CQ (Constant Quality)

[ck-uk]

Of course it uses a bitrate mate.

Its kind of like a mix between cbr a one pass vbr.If you click the settings button next to it you can adjust the bitrate.Althou mate if your movie turns out slightly off the size you want adjust the quality setting instead,1-4 eqauls around 100mb.

[Gre1]

Yeah, the rate of the data that the movie uses to determine how much space it will use up but I meant it doesn't use CBR or VBR unless u use CQ_VBR yeah don't always trust that 1-4 equals 100 rule because it has been proven wrong when I was trying to encode a movie when I first started.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by muchspl2+12 January 2004 - 20:10--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (muchspl2 @ 12 January 2004 - 20:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Keikan@12 January 2004 - 19:46
Kvcd isn&#39;t that compatible tho
I have tried it in about 30 different players, most have no problems playing kvcd [/b][/quote]
were those new or older dvd players? i bought mine 3 years ago. they didn&#39;t invent svcd or kvcd back then. svcd don&#39;t work, and never bothered to try kvcd, cuz i remember they didn&#39;t have em b4

[Robert00000]

Originally posted by Gre1@13 January 2004 - 14:25
Yeah, the rate of the data that the movie uses to determine how much space it will use up but I meant it doesn&#39;t use CBR or VBR unless u use CQ_VBR yeah don&#39;t always trust that 1-4 equals 100 rule because it has been proven wrong when I was trying to encode a movie when I first started.
????????? What are you on about?

Every movie uses either CBR or VBR. VBR by definintion is Constant Quality over CBR&#39;s Constant Size.

Movies with VBR keep the quality constant on action or distant sequences
by increasing the bitrate on those sequences.

With VCD&#39;s, because it uses CBR, therefore, keeping the bitrate the same throughout, you can see fuzzyness on action sequences, and too many bits are wasted on sequences that don&#39;t need them, like close up sequences where people are just talking.

KVCD is ineffect VCD with VBR, thats why you get better quality or smaller size (depending on your settings) because more bits are shifted to where its needed to keep the quality of the picture, less are used on close up sequences.

[mEtho]

Number 1 love for Kvcd :rolleyes:

[muchspl2]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power+13 January 2004 - 09:36--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (abu_has_the_power &#064; 13 January 2004 - 09:36)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by muchspl2@12 January 2004 - 20:10
<!--QuoteBegin-Keikan@12 January 2004 - 19:46
Kvcd isn&#39;t that compatible tho
I have tried it in about 30 different players, most have no problems playing kvcd
were those new or older dvd players? i bought mine 3 years ago. they didn&#39;t invent svcd or kvcd back then. svcd don&#39;t work, and never bothered to try kvcd, cuz i remember they didn&#39;t have em b4 [/b][/quote]
kvcd is just non standard vcd, if your dvd plays vcd it should play kvcd
in fact you can probably play svcd. you into the header trick, you can make your cdr think its vcd even though its encoded mpeg2 (svcd)
and time doesn&#39;t mean anything, most were all newer, but even my 1996 laserdisc/dvd player can play kvcd, sadly it doesn&#39;t play svcd or skvcd