Bitrates !

[Afronaut]

There's been some Debate about the Bitrates.
Here's our change to see what we members use.

Added Windows Media Audio at 64k for Low-End users,
CBR 128k users can click on WMA64 for it is the same "Quality" :lol:

Please, lets try to Debate about the Good and Bad sides on any of these options,
not Argue about it. If you have a really good point(s) why you think one of
these RipRates is Teh Best, share your wisdom. :)

There is a Pinned Topic (http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=22763) made by Paul if someone wants to see some info of VBR files...
CBR stands for Constant BitRate, VBR is for Variable BitRate.

Cheers:
-GS-

[muchspl2]

you didn't vote :P

[Afronaut]

I rip as in the Pinned Topic (vbr), but when EAC fails to read my "very-well-used"
CD's i use Steinberg WaveLab 4 with Lame (vbr highest quality)

I prefer to download stuff at 192k and/or over, rarely go under that.
But i do have few at 128k, which im looking for replacements, rare, hard to find stuff.
I dont have WMA files tho, maybe some videos files, but no Music.

Cheers:
-GS-

[4th gen]

cbr 192 for me :)

[Afronaut]

Oh, have to admit, im not religious about this, i've been using
Audiograbber at 192cbr too. :)

Cheers:
-GS-

[FuNkY CaPrIcOrN]

:huh: This is a hard choice.For me it is either CBR or VBR(does not matter really).But the thing is anything below 224 Bitrate is starting to seem outdated.I mean with all these Big ass Harddrives and DVD Burners size does not matter anymore.

So I have to choose 224 CBR. :D

[Afronaut]

with all these Big ass Harddrives and DVD Burners size does not matter anymore
So true FC, for me the 192k is kinda like the "starting" line,
then the audio starts to sound pretty OK for my standars.

I do music myself, i have option to use mp3 in my Audio tracks (Cubase) but
i use 16bit 44.1k .wav files (cd-audio), i would use even higher but
the hardware dont support it.

Cheers:
-GS-

[sparsely]

if it's lossless you want...go ape (http://monkeysaudio.com/)!

[Afronaut]

Originally posted by Sparsely@16 January 2004 - 06:22
if it's lossless you want...go ape (http://monkeysaudio.com/)!
Thanks, i will take a look.
Saw your post in the other thread too, good one. :)

Cheers:
-GS-

[Adster]

Originally posted by FuNkY CaPrIcOrN@16 January 2004 - 14:13
:huh: This is a hard choice.For me it is either CBR or VBR(does not matter really).But the thing is anything below 224 Bitrate is starting to seem outdated.I mean with all these Big ass Harddrives and DVD Burners size does not matter anymore.

So I have to choose 224 CBR. :D
It matters if your ISP caps you for download usage

also I'm sure it matters for the poor 56kers

[Samurai]

I use FreeRip (http://www.mgshareware.com/) to rip my CD's at 192 CBR. Admittedly, when I first started downloading mp3's and ripping them, I was doing so at 128. I've since replaced these files with 192. The difference is amazing.

[Rip The Jacker]

Originally posted by Adster@15 January 2004 - 20:25
also I'm sure it matters for the poor 56kers
Yup. CBR 192 for me. B)

[fkdup74]

hey, whats up? no vote for average birate?
or should i just stfu and vote for vbr? :lol:

(i set my rips at 192-256 ABR)
(oh, mp3 lame, of course) :P

[Rocktron]

CBR 192 for me too.. (or higher is even better)

Variable bitrates suck to my opinion.
Most people (they say) won't hear the difference but i sure do.

Nice poll btw. I alway's wanted to know what people think about that VBR stuff.
And CBR 192 is winning i see.. GOOD!
(people are really using their ears happy to see ;) )



:01:

[Jayhawk]

i voted for VBR because of the new rip kit that i am using.

[Adster]

Originally posted by KwahyaJ@16 January 2004 - 18:38
i voted for VBR because of the new rip kit that i am using.
I knew you would say that :lol:

VBR sounds to flat to me


and BTW GS I'm surprised 128 isn't on there as an option :huh:

allot will still do 128

[FuNkY CaPrIcOrN]

Originally posted by Adster@16 January 2004 - 05:21
and BTW GS I'm surprised 128 isn't on there as an option :huh:

allot will still do 128
:blink: No way.Maybe 160.....maybe.But not 128.56kers have big harddrives just like everybody else. :P

[Afronaut]

Originally posted by Guitar-Slinger@16 January 2004 - 05:53
Added Windows Media Audio at 64k for Low-End users,
CBR 128k users can click on WMA64 for it is the same "Quality"
I didnt want to have the 128 Just Because somewone still uses it.
I hink one reason for it is this:
In many audio-ripping-softwares the RipRate is By Default set to 128k,
one needs to go to Options etc to change it.
Well, atleast thats what i can think of now.

If someone needs to vote for 128 for whatever comical reason,
please use the WMA64.
You also have to come up with atleast 3 excuses Why 128/WMA
actually is your choise then, ;)

Please notice that ripping or promoting that low quality audio-files
will most likely get laughed at in this Poll. :ph34r:


;)
Cheers:
-GS-

[Gutter]

I selected CBR 192 because thats what I'm ripping and sharing my personal CD collection as.
But when contributing to OCR I'm all VBR


:huh: I can't believe this poll wasn't done earlier
great idea

[Adster]

Originally posted by FuNkY CaPrIcOrN+16 January 2004 - 20:23--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FuNkY CaPrIcOrN @ 16 January 2004 - 20:23)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Adster@16 January 2004 - 05:21
and BTW GS I&#39;m surprised 128 isn&#39;t on there as an option :huh:

allot will still do 128
:blink: No way.Maybe 160.....maybe.But not 128.56kers have big harddrives just like everybody else. :P [/b][/quote]
and more patience :P

[Afronaut]

Originally posted by Adster+16 January 2004 - 13:48--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Adster @ 16 January 2004 - 13:48)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by FuNkY CaPrIcOrN@16 January 2004 - 20:23
<!--QuoteBegin-Adster@16 January 2004 - 05:21
and BTW GS I&#39;m surprised 128 isn&#39;t on there as an option :huh:

allot will still do 128
:blink: No way.Maybe 160.....maybe.But not 128.56kers have big harddrives just like everybody else. :P
and more patience :P [/b][/quote]
I would probably still want 192k and over, even if i had 56 modem.
Why compromise with the Quality of Audio so much?
128k files just sounds so bad imo.

Cheers:
-GS-

[Celerystalksme]

My favourite bi-rates are &#036;50 per hour for 2 chicks :D

[Benno]

192 CBR
though i like everything thats is at least 192 CBR

[[B][O][T]]

Nice poll Guitar-Slinger, I prefer 192 CBR :)

BOT

[Sid Hartha]

Obviously, the higher the better.

In the real world of p2p VBR is a great way of getting the most quality at the lowest bandwidth, but you have to be careful with this:
Most ripping apps have scalable settings for VBR, and it takes some tweaking to get it right. I&#39;ve downloaded some VBR files that sounded like crap, and usually the cause was too low of a VBR ratio.


With CBR, one thing that&#39;s often overlooked:
Many ripping apps have a "fast" or "thorough" option, the most noticable effect being the speed at which the tracks are ripped. I&#39;ve found that the end result is much better with the slower rip. If you rip at the higher speed, you can end up with a 160k file that sounds like 128k.

Whatever the method, always check your rips before uploading.
*and Soulseekers: please create SFV files for your album folders. ;)

[Lamsey]

192 CBR for me too, although anything above that is fine (No HD space problems for me (http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/drives.jpg) :D ).

[Alucard1475]

192 for me :)

[summerlinda]

192 - 224 VBR for ripping.

Anything up from 192 is good enough to download, but when I have the choice I will always choose the 192 [and up] VBR files.

128 & 160 is only good enough when its rare.

[fkdup74]

Originally posted by Lamsey@16 January 2004 - 07:25
192 CBR for me too, although anything above that is fine (No HD space problems for me (http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/drives.jpg) :D ).
you just had to brag about it, huh? :P :lol:

@summerlinda - its good to see another vote for VBR/ABR

[vivitron 15]

Originally posted by summerlinda@16 January 2004 - 17:10
192 - 224 VBR for ripping.

Anything up from 192 is good enough to download, but when I have the choice I will always choose the 192 [and up] VBR files.

128 & 160 is only good enough when its rare.
this is what i do 192~224 VBR...slightly bigger than 192, but imo better

[Vargas]

ok i know that the higher the better, and i go for the highest if im gonna burn to audio cd and rip files at LAME r3mix settings (good enough for me)

i mostly prefer 24kbs mono :o it sounds as good as a FM car radio i think, and you can fit 70 hours (almost 3 days worth) on a CDR
plus since i&#39;m on dialup i can listen to songs the same time i download them.
check out this mp3 (http://myimages.fourvalve.com/sparky/yourfile.mp3) and tell me 24kbs sounds BAD or UNlistenable. :music1:

[summerlinda]

Originally posted by Vargas@16 January 2004 - 19:58
check out this mp3 (http://myimages.fourvalve.com/sparky/yourfile.mp3) and tell me 24kbs sounds BAD or UNlistenable. :music1:
You really need your ears checked... :huh:

[Gutter]

Originally posted by Vargas@16 January 2004 - 10:58
check out this mp3 (http://myimages.fourvalve.com/sparky/yourfile.mp3) and tell me 24kbs sounds BAD or UNlistenable. :music1:
:music1: <_< :angry:

ack&#33;

listen to that track ripped at 192k for a more enjoyable experience

i was listening to a 192 file then gave that one a listen and had to tweak winamp a bunch for it to even sound decent

[h1]

Originally posted by Vargas@16 January 2004 - 19:58
it sounds as good as a FM car radio i think
Eww&#33;

For me, it is either LAME -aps (190-210K VBR) or APE.

[DRACOJOE2]

I use Poikosoft Easy CD-DA Extractor to rip with and usually go with 320 highest qualityCBR. VBR is fine but even set to the highest bitrates it doesn&#39;t sound any better than 320 CBR, just makes the file size smaller. It has a setting for 48,000 sample rate on it but I haven&#39;t tried that yet. Think Im gonna go rip a cd at that and see how it sounds LOL. Now as far as my shared stuff 192 CBR all the way for bandwidth reasons. :blow:

[Arm]

:huh: Whertes 128k? I don&#39;t use anything higher then it.

[Afronaut]

Originally posted by Guitar&#045;Slinger@16 January 2004 - 05:53
Added Windows Media Audio at 64k for Low-End users,
CBR 128k users can click on WMA64 for it is the same "Quality"&nbsp; :lol:

;)

Hope this helps Arm.

Cheers:
-GS-

[vivitron 15]

Originally posted by Vargas@16 January 2004 - 18:58
tell me 24kbs sounds BAD or UNlistenable. :music1:
it sounds bad and unlistenable.....



no seriously, even for in the car, with a halfway normal (not even a particularly good one) stereo, the radio is nicer than that

[bigdawgfoxx]

B) 192 fo me B)

[Arm]

Originally posted by Guitar&#045;Slinger+17 January 2004 - 22:18--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Guitar&#045;Slinger &#064; 17 January 2004 - 22:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Guitar&#045;Slinger@16 January 2004 - 05:53
Added Windows Media Audio at 64k for Low-End users,
CBR 128k users can click on WMA64 for it is the same "Quality"&nbsp; :lol:

;)

Hope this helps Arm.

Cheers:
-GS-[/b][/quote]
Yes it did help Arm. :) Have a hug. :hug:

[mikenmike0001]

isn&#39;t the higher the number the better? seeing how i think cd quality is 384, and the highest that i see in mp3 form is 320.......why not just get the 320?

[slammy_dunken]

I rip at 192k, but now I just compress the WAV file with FLAC to get lossless quality and small size (sort of). You can check that out here (http://flac.sourceforge.net/).

[Afronaut]

Originally posted by mikenmike0001@18 January 2004 - 03:43
isn&#39;t the higher the number the better? seeing how i think cd quality is 384, and the highest that i see in mp3 form is 320.......why not just get the 320?
In my PC if it shows bitrate 1411k it is a .wav file.

Variable BitRate shows high numbers also, like 400k to 700k or so,
depends on the song.

Highest CBR im aware of is 320k

Cheers:
-GS-

[TheFilePirater]

i cant tell a diff between 128 and 192+ i have found that bass is a little better

[mikenmike0001]

i usually notice that the higher the bitrate, the more clearer each of the instruments sound...and sharper, and louder.........does anyone else notice this?

also, how come when you convert music file from a cd to an mp3, you can&#39;t get the same ratio quality? it&#39;s always a bit less

[bigdawgfoxx]

yeah I notice that...sometimes 320 sounds a little better then 192...i like 192 though...it sounds great and doesnt take up a lot of room like 320.

[h1]

GS, I&#39;m guessing that you use WMP? It can&#39;t display VBR rates correctly.

[4th gen]

Originally posted by Lamsey@16 January 2004 - 14:25
192 CBR for me too, although anything above that is fine (No HD space problems for me (http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/drives.jpg) :D ).
http://www.arap78.dsl.pipex.com/drives.JPG

:-"

[h1]

Originally posted by 4th gen+19 January 2004 - 07:41--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (4th gen @ 19 January 2004 - 07:41)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lamsey@16 January 2004 - 14:25
192 CBR for me too, although anything above that is fine (No HD space problems for me (http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/drives.jpg) :D ).
http://www.arap78.dsl.pipex.com/drives.JPG

:-" [/b][/quote]
Ha, that&#39;s nothing. I&#39;ve got 2.2TB of local space alone on my SuSE box.

[mikenmike0001]

i didn&#39;t even know they had something more than a gigbyte in stores now....

[4th gen]

Originally posted by haxor41789@19 January 2004 - 07:48
Ha, that&#39;s nothing. I&#39;ve got 2.2TB of local space alone on my SuSE box.
i&#39;m a poor student though... :)

[FuNkY CaPrIcOrN]

:huh: What in the hell is a SuSE box? :huh:

:o And 2.2TB? :o

:blink: Some of you guys around here scare me.Its just a PC. :blink:

:P

[guit_steel]

Originally posted by FuNkY CaPrIcOrN@19 January 2004 - 04:25
:blink: Some of you guys around here scare me.Its just a PC. :blink:
ROTFLMAO&#33; Found myself thinking the same thing many times. Thank goodness I&#39;m not the only dinosaur around here. :lol:

[sparsely]

RAID arrays for mp3&#39;s ?
:rolleyes:

[Afronaut]

Originally posted by haxor41789@19 January 2004 - 07:58
GS, I&#39;m guessing that you use WMP? It can&#39;t display VBR rates correctly.
Nope, im talking bout what says in the Windows,
you can add the option for the folders to show bitrates.

I still use WMP-9 a lot, also WinAmp 5
plus shitload of other players that comes with codeck packs. :lol:

Cheers:
-GS-

[mogadishu]

the only one here that should have one of those raid setups is funky, and he doest. What are you going to use 2.2TB for? and wut if your dog pisses on it or you drop it out the window by accident... then all that is gone.

[mogadishu]

Originally posted by 4th gen+19 January 2004 - 01:41--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (4th gen @ 19 January 2004 - 01:41)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lamsey@16 January 2004 - 14:25
192 CBR for me too, although anything above that is fine (No HD space problems for me (http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/drives.jpg) :D ).
http://www.arap78.dsl.pipex.com/drives.JPG

:-" [/b][/quote]
what is in cars, storage, and store? that takes up so much room?

[FuNkY CaPrIcOrN]

:huh: What is a RAID MP3 setup?And nobody has told me what a SuSE box is. :huh:

[wolverine_x]

Originally posted by mogadishu+19 January 2004 - 16:44--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mogadishu &#064; 19 January 2004 - 16:44)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by 4th gen@19 January 2004 - 01:41
<!--QuoteBegin-Lamsey@16 January 2004 - 14:25
192 CBR for me too, although anything above that is fine (No HD space problems for me (http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/drives.jpg) :D ).
http://www.arap78.dsl.pipex.com/drives.JPG

:-"
what is in cars, storage, and store? that takes up so much room? [/b][/quote]
Porn filmed in cars, Porn filmed in the Storage Hangar and Porn filmed at the local Store.


edit / typo

[mogadishu]

lol.. i knew gen was into cars.. but not that much.

[h1]

@Funky:
SuSE is a distro of Linux, which is an alternative OS. A RAID array is multiple hard drives in one array, so the computer thinks it is one large hard drive.

@mogadishu:
I do a lot of high-end video editing, that&#39;s why I need so much space.

@3rd gen:
I&#39;m a poor student too...

[4th gen]

Originally posted by mogadishu@19 January 2004 - 16:44
what is in cars, storage, and store? that takes up so much room?
car videos in cars (funnily enough), about 65GB of music in Storage (not moved it over yet), and partial emule downloads in Store :)

[mogadishu]

Originally posted by haxor41789@19 January 2004 - 17:05
@Funky:
SuSE is a distro of Linux, which is an alternative OS. A RAID array is multiple hard drives in one array, so the computer thinks it is one large hard drive.

@mogadishu:
I do a lot of high-end video editing, that&#39;s why I need so much space.

@3rd gen:
I&#39;m a poor student too...
oh, i can see why u would need that much space..

im just curious.. what kind of resolution are we talking about.. what makes it so big?



oh and to the topic, i prefer vbr atleast 160kbs

[h1]

LOL. I&#39;m talking about large quantities, making professional movies, etc.

But for the most part they are around 700-1200 square.

[Icey]

192 is the scene norm atm... so i say thats probley the best.

[god-of-rock]

From a sharing point of view I like CBR192, and though I have some diskspace....it&#39;s not unlimited, and my line ain&#39;t the greatest either :(

I listen to music from the computer either through my stereo or my headphones, and think CBR192 sounds good enough

However, if I had unlimited HD-space and a SUper-DUper-maXI-speED connection, I would prefer all my musicfiles in wav-format...


Here&#39;s an example of CBR 192 kbps (http://www.tornes.org/vitaxin/blofeld/lhaic.mp3)




(edit: spam)

[FuNkY CaPrIcOrN]

:01: MusicWorld Bump&#33; :01:

:P So the other Thread can stick to helping out with the Sticky.We can debate in here. :P

[CrumbCat]

Great bump - I missed this one when it came aound - I think I may have been on vacation.......where I was listening to my favorite VBR MP3&#39;s :P

:lol:

This is from my SoulSeek rules:

[01] 1. Share at least 25 organized, FULL albums at 192 CBR or VBR

CC

[mr. nails]

i&#39;m voting 192. even though 320 sounds better (depending on the ripper) and i&#39;m not stingy with my hd space, but 192 is more common and so i have more of that.

[digmen1]

I usually d/l at CBR 128 (seems the most common) but with artists I really like I try to get 192. Or if I want to play them on a good PA system for a show etc.

Why is there no CBR 128 on the poll &#33;

It is hard enough to get some tracks at 128 let alone 192 &#33;

I find a lot of 127 or 129 on Kazaalite - what gives ?

Digby
NZ

[Adster]

Originally posted by digmen1@21 February 2004 - 13:30
I usually d/l at CBR 128 (seems the most common) but with artists I really like I try to get 192. Or if I want to play them on a good PA system for a show etc.

Why is there no CBR 128 on the poll &#33;

It is hard enough to get some tracks at 128 let alone 192 &#33;

I find a lot of 127 or 129 on Kazaalite - what gives ?

Digby
NZ
ummm yeah normally kazaa fucks up on VBRs their mostly likely VBR

@God Of Rock

I know your pain if I had unlimited I would go berserk


btw 128s suck and there the easiest to get wish peopel would just go too 192

people who want 128s should stick to kazaa ;)

[summerlinda]

New standard&#33;

http://members.home.nl/lindavansummeren/Bitrate.jpg

;)

[CrumbCat]

:huh: :lol: :o

It&#39;s only a 6 second long track - maybe it was Sting having a sneeze attack...... :P

[RealitY]

HQ VBR Nowadays When I Need...

[Formula1]

cbr 192

[tensegg]

the only vote for 256cbr, no wonder I cant find too many of em. For me it sounds great, the less lost the better, I only ever rip at that, I wanna hear as close as possible to the original, would go for 320 if I had more space. 256cbr with mp3gain to stop me constantly having to leap onto the volume controls from track to track. I listen a lot on headphones, shitty neighbours, and although 192 is ok, 128 just has no sparkle left in it, like a flat pint, :music1:

i&#39;ts lonely out here :( , there must be another vote for 256cbr somewhere out there :P :lol:

lame3.96 - dbpoweramp - mp3gain - does it for me ;) (EAC occasionaly)


EDIT: and as I post, 2 more for 256cbr, bless ya brothers ;) :D