Graphics Cards?

[Virtualbody1234]

Poll requested by: atiVidia.

[kaiweiler]

first one! :)
ATI

[abu_has_the_power]

vb, not sure if u noticed but a lot of ppl will vote for ati. so wat's the point?

[DWk]

w0ot - nVidia here, although I don't lean towards anyone

[atiVidia]

atiVidia would be cool. thus, my own vote would be atiVidia

btw: like my new avatar?

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@18 January 2004 - 10:26
vb, not sure if u noticed but a lot of ppl will vote for ati. so wat's the point?
Well lets see how the votes turn out. Nvidia might do better than you think.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234+18 January 2004 - 11:34--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Virtualbody1234 @ 18 January 2004 - 11:34)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@18 January 2004 - 10:26
vb, not sure if u noticed but a lot of ppl will vote for ati. so wat&#39;s the point?
Well lets see how the votes turn out. Nvidia might do better than you think. [/b][/quote]
oh yea. nvidia is not bad, but when u get to the level of "high end" cards, ati is better. radeon 9800xt looks and plays better than the 5950 ultra. and it take sup only 1 slot&#33;. lol. but nvidia&#39;s not bad.

[Mad Cat]

nVidia has been around the block though.

For their nice DX9 cards though, ATi for me.

[ck-uk]

I&#39;ve never owned an ATI.Nvidia. :)

[DWk]

BTW... who voted "Other"? I wanna know what did you vote on?

[Livy]

oops, i voted othee, meant to be ati.

[bob_the_alien]

Nvidia here, I&#39;ve owned a few ATI cards, but I have prefered Nvidia over the years.

[DWk]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@18 January 2004 - 09:26
vb, not sure if u noticed but a lot of ppl will vote for ati. so wat&#39;s the point?
Check the poll ;)

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by DWk+18 January 2004 - 12:00--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DWk @ 18 January 2004 - 12:00)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@18 January 2004 - 09:26
vb, not sure if u noticed but a lot of ppl will vote for ati. so wat&#39;s the point?
Check the poll ;) [/b][/quote]
hmmm... ok. sory, talked too early.

[mr. nails]

ATI all the way&#33; for now... ;)

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power+18 January 2004 - 12:21--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (abu_has_the_power @ 18 January 2004 - 12:21)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by DWk@18 January 2004 - 12:00
<!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@18 January 2004 - 09:26
vb, not sure if u noticed but a lot of ppl will vote for ati. so wat&#39;s the point?
Check the poll ;)
hmmm... ok. sory, talked too early. [/b][/quote]
guess i was rite. ati does win. ha ha.

[pc-gamer-dude]

nvidia here, im not biased towards ati tho, but ive always been using nvidia and ive never had any problems with them. so until i do, nvidia all the way&#33;&#33;

[DWk]

And yet, no one has answered my question - what other cards?

[Mr. Elmo]

intergrated? or sapphire, pny, and other companies

[Mad Cat]

Originally posted by Mr. Elmo@18 January 2004 - 21:09
intergrated? or sapphire, pny, and other companies
Sapphire, PNY etc make cards based on the people above&#39;s chipsets :rolleyes:

[mahammued786]

my nvidia gforce ti4800 128mb, suits me fine&#33;

but it can overheat at times&#33; :o



;)

[jswjimmy]

go nvidia

[bigdawgfoxx]

Ti4800 huh...niceee. There both good companies...I still like ATI..red my fav color...and there better overall i think. Havnt had any probs with either company though.

[4th gen]

ATI :)

[Mr. Elmo]

Originally posted by Mad Cat+18 January 2004 - 21:32--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mad Cat @ 18 January 2004 - 21:32)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mr. Elmo@18 January 2004 - 21:09
intergrated? or sapphire, pny, and other companies
Sapphire, PNY etc make cards based on the people above&#39;s chipsets :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
yea, but the poll was on company...isnt saphhire and pny a company that produce those card?

[atiVidia]

intel&#39;s "extreme graphics"

lol

3dfx could count too (but theyre dead so until they come back, well...)

[DWk]

Originally posted by atiVidia@18 January 2004 - 17:16
3dfx could count too (but theyre dead so until they come back, well...)
They shall return and kick every other brand around :ghostface:

[Keikan]

3dfx Voodoo&#33;&#33;&#33;

[bigdawgfoxx]

and ATI pulls away B)

[Livy]

Originally posted by Keikan@19 January 2004 - 01:35
3dfx Voodoo&#33;&#33;&#33;
i had a vodoo 3 2000 in my old computer, it sucked ass. my gran and grandad have it now.

[adamp2p]

Here is a link to a similar poll. (http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=128545)

[DWk]

Originally posted by adamp2p@18 January 2004 - 19:23
Here is a link to a similar poll. (http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=128545)
But you see adam.... I (and I would think most of the people here) don&#39;t give a SHIT about other forum&#39;s poll. This is our forum and therefore we make OUR poll.

So why keep linking to other forums? You don&#39;t regard this forum highly, yet you come here on a daily basis.

[Spicker]

plz dunt fight
i get scared :lol:

i cant decide on which to vote for...

lol so i did ENY MENY MINIE MOE lol it ended up on ATI lol
so i voted ati i shud hav picked umm OTHER lol :ph34r:

[Mr. Elmo]

Originally posted by DWk+19 January 2004 - 02:44--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DWk @ 19 January 2004 - 02:44)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-adamp2p@18 January 2004 - 19:23
Here is a link to a similar poll. (http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=128545)
But you see adam.... I (and I would think most of the people here) don&#39;t give a SHIT about other forum&#39;s poll. This is our forum and therefore we make OUR poll.

So why keep linking to other forums? You don&#39;t regard this forum highly, yet you come here on a daily basis. [/b][/quote]
well put, lol, we have a poll here and you link us to a similar post at a dif. forum?

maybe you could link us to some more of your benchmark again. <_<

[DWk]

I couldn&#39;t have put it in a nicer way.I (or we) am (are) tired of this stupid linking to other forums because in your opinion "they are better".

[bigdawgfoxx]

Its just other peoples oppinion...not just ours matter...i like it when he links us to other forums.

[DWk]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@18 January 2004 - 19:54
Its just other peoples oppinion...not just ours matter...i like it when he links us to other forums.
Bla, bla, bla <_<

Sorry to burst your bubble but you like just about anything adam "links" or "likes".

20 page thread ring a bell? <_<

[Spicker]

Originally posted by DWk+19 January 2004 - 03:57--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DWk @ 19 January 2004 - 03:57)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@18 January 2004 - 19:54
Its just other peoples oppinion...not just ours matter...i like it when he links us to other forums.
Bla, bla, bla <_<

Sorry to burst your bubble but you like just about anything adam "links" or "likes".

20 page thread ring a bell? <_< [/b][/quote]
lol only if he read the manual&#33; LOL&#33;
he cud hav gotten all tht dun without the "20 pg thread"


:rtfm:

btw u in a bad mood today? :ph34r: :huh:

[DWk]

Originally posted by jaigandhi5@18 January 2004 - 20:10
btw u in a bad mood today?
Never - I&#39;m a LONG way from being in a bad mood, angry, whatever you want to call it. But I think it&#39;s about time some people get what they&#39;ve been asking for a long time.

People need to learn something about timing, not to mention common sense. It would be a good world if certain people learned some of this ;)

[4th gen]

Originally posted by DWk@19 January 2004 - 02:13
Never - I&#39;m a LONG way from being in a bad mood, angry, whatever you want to call it. But I think it&#39;s about time some people get what they&#39;ve been asking for a long time.

People need to learn something about timing, not to mention common sense. It would be a good world if certain people learned some of this ;)
what have you got against adam?

he tries to help people out (successfully i might add) and you try and belittle him...that&#39;s hardly the best way to go about things

[Spicker]

Originally posted by DWk+19 January 2004 - 04:13--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DWk @ 19 January 2004 - 04:13)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jaigandhi5@18 January 2004 - 20:10
btw u in a bad mood today?
Never - I&#39;m a LONG way from being in a bad mood, angry, whatever you want to call it. But I think it&#39;s about time some people get what they&#39;ve been asking for a long time.

People need to learn something about timing, not to mention common sense. It would be a good world if certain people learned some of this ;) [/b][/quote]
i agree :D :ph34r:

[4th gen]

Originally posted by jaigandhi5@19 January 2004 - 02:18
i agree :D :ph34r:
every time i see your avatar i laugh...my athlon is clocked at 2.171GHz and has never gone on fire ;)

[DWk]

Originally posted by 4th gen@18 January 2004 - 20:18
what have you got against adam?

he tries to help people out (successfully i might add) and you try and belittle him...that&#39;s hardly the best way to go about things
Nothing. And don&#39;t take this as me trying to start a flame war. Try to belittle him? Unless you haven&#39;t been around in Hardwareworld for the past month, you wouldn&#39;t know, but I know you have, so how can you stay by his side (and PLEASE, don&#39;t take this as some kind of jealousy) while he disregards everyone just because they aren&#39;t up to HIS standards?

[Spicker]

Originally posted by 4th gen+19 January 2004 - 04:18--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (4th gen @ 19 January 2004 - 04:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-DWk@19 January 2004 - 02:13
Never - I&#39;m a LONG way from being in a bad mood, angry, whatever you want to call it. But I think it&#39;s about time some people get what they&#39;ve been asking for a long time.

People need to learn something about timing, not to mention common sense. It would be a good world if certain people learned some of this ;)
what have you got against adam?

he tries to help people out (successfully i might add) and you try and belittle him...that&#39;s hardly the best way to go about things [/b][/quote]
i AGREE WITH all OF U&#33;

lol u guyz...STOP FITEING over NEOWIN loll :ph34r:

[4th gen]

Originally posted by DWk@19 January 2004 - 02:21
Nothing. And don&#39;t take this as me trying to start a flame war. Try to belittle him? Unless you haven&#39;t been around in Hardwareworld for the past month, you wouldn&#39;t know, but I know you have, so how can you stay by his side (and PLEASE, don&#39;t take this as some kind of jealousy) while he disregards everyone just because they aren&#39;t up to HIS standards?
i can&#39;t believe that just because he links to another forums poll that he angers you...

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by DWk+18 January 2004 - 20:57--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DWk &#064; 18 January 2004 - 20:57)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@18 January 2004 - 19:54
Its just other peoples oppinion...not just ours matter...i like it when he links us to other forums.
Bla, bla, bla <_<

Sorry to burst your bubble but you like just about anything adam "links" or "likes".

20 page thread ring a bell? <_< [/b][/quote]
noone likes you. Adam is very smart, so yes i agree with him. me and adam are tight and have the same view on diff things. so yes i agree with him....showing other peoples opinions is not wrong. same with clocker, hes smart and i agree with him on stuff he says.

Oh, and you fucking amaze me. You always say that you dont try to start any fights, but its HALARIOUS how every fight revolves around your ass, you deserve a ban, you make this forum worse.

[Spicker]

stop fighting be good little friends&#33;

:angry: :( <_< :ph34r: :frusty:

SO EVRYONE JUST STFU LOL and lemme talk lol&#33;

btw vb plz close this topic but lve the poll open cuz this thread aint gona get any better lol&#33;

[DWk]

Again, I just said I&#39;m not angry. I do not belittle what Adam does for this forum (I do reckon he helps people the same way we most do). However people seem to put him in a pedestal just &#39;cause "he is smart". People can be smart and yet say dumb things ;)

And things like
noone likes you is what actually makes me think if we are actually moving to a "better world".


Edit - just read your "edit"


Oh, and you fucking amaze me. You always say that you dont try to start any fights, but its HALARIOUS how every fight revolves around your ass, you deserve a ban, you make this forum worse.

My point is well proven :smilie4:

[Spicker]

okKKK&#33;&#33;&#33;

i admit it IM DUMB&#33;&#33;&#33; :ph34r: :frusty: :frusty: :frusty:

i need > :helpsmile:

so now stop fighting&#33;

[bigdawgfoxx]

yeah u make no since

and yeah...smart people should be put on a pedistal :)

[DWk]

Oh i forgot to say so - If you take what I&#39;m saying as a will to start a fight (or a flame war), then that&#39;s your problem. I stay away from fights, but I guess you wouldn&#39;t know much of that, do you?

[DWk]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@18 January 2004 - 20:30
and yeah...smart people should be put on a pedistal :)
Can you please state who do you consider a smart person? And I&#39;m not talking about someone in the forum, I&#39;m talking about history.

Name a couple of people you consider "smart" people.

[Spicker]

lol do u guyz even bother to read my posts??? :angry: :lol: :angry: :angry: :angry:

[bigdawgfoxx]

benjamin franklin, clocker, adam, albert einstien..theres 4. Im done with this thread.

[Spicker]

lol ATividia must feeling a lil guilty for asking vb to start this poll/flaming thread lol&#33;

poor guy&#33;
im with u ATIVIDIA LOL&#33;&#33;

[DWk]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@18 January 2004 - 20:35
benjamin franklin, clocker, adam, albert einstien..theres 4. Im done with this thread.
No wonder why the world is how it is. You mentioned 2 people who, even though they were smart, had their flukes. They had good ideas, but they are still human. You also mentioned 2 people from this forum.

I wonder how much time did it took you to find out these names (I&#39;m talking about the "history" guys, not the ones that seem to be your mentors here).

Do you actually know what these guys made?

[Spicker]

btw dawg...hav u ever went to the oc forums...

all the ppl on there are REALLY SMART&#33;

and i realy dunt think u shud mension ppl from forums...because it might offend them because u are sorta comparing the ppl

btw im not tryin to fight
btw DUNT IgnORE MY POSTS&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:
btw im not calling anyone dumb evryone has there own "thing" no matter wt it is...
to me all ppl are smart so plz stop this argument and act like human beings again...

EDIT: nobody is PERFECT&#33; we all made mistakes now lets appologize and make up and ask more gfx questions and bother clocker lol&#33; :P :ph34r:
lol

thnk u

[DWk]

Oh trust me we are 99.9% all dumb. And that includes myself, clocker, adam, VB, whoever you can think of.

Not once have I seen anyone on this forum mention the work of Galileo Galilei, of Newton, of J.J. Thomson, of Rutheford, of Niels Böhr, of no one.

So until you do something like any of the above did, you won&#39;t be considered a "smart" person on my book, and on the actual REAL books ;)

[4th gen]

Originally posted by DWk+19 January 2004 - 02:38--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DWk @ 19 January 2004 - 02:38)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@18 January 2004 - 20:35
benjamin franklin, clocker, adam, albert einstien..theres 4.&nbsp; Im done with this thread.
No wonder why the world is how it is. You mentioned 2 people who, even though they were smart, had their flukes. They had good ideas, but they are still human [/b][/quote]
lmfao :lol:

einstein "had his flukes"

yeah...he was very fluky... <_<

and also, you say they are "still human", would you have preferred if non-humans were listed? (given you asked for people considered to be smart)

[DWk]

Guess you didn&#39;t read my other post ;)

[4th gen]

Originally posted by DWk@19 January 2004 - 02:46
Oh trust me we are 99.9% all dumb. And that includes myself, clocker, adam, VB, whoever you can think of.

Not once have I seen anyone on this forum mention the work of Galileo Galilei, of Newton, of J.J. Thomson, of Rutheford, of Niels Böhr, of no one.

So until you do something like any of the above did, you won&#39;t be considered a "smart" person on my book, and on the actual REAL books ;)
Newton and his laws of motion have been discussed at length on this forum before...obviously you&#39;ve not been around long enough to remember that... :)

[4th gen]

Originally posted by DWk@19 January 2004 - 02:48
Guess you didn&#39;t read my other post ;)
well, it&#39;s hard to read, think and comment on a post you have never seen whilst compiling one of your own ;)

[DWk]

Hell&#33; I&#39;ve been here for almost 6 months and haven&#39;t seen one of those. Yea it might be that I haven&#39;t been here "long enough for that". However, 6 months is plenty of time for someone to come up with a serious discussion about something "smart". However, that same fact brings me back to my exact point: the world is going nowhere but backwards :frusty:

[Spicker]

i hav been here for over one year lol so STFU loll

jkin

stop fighting <_<

jus for one sec think about wt ur fighting about.... :blink:

[4th gen]

Originally posted by DWk@19 January 2004 - 02:51
Hell&#33; I&#39;ve been here for almost 6 months and haven&#39;t seen one of those. Yea it might be that I haven&#39;t been here "long enough for that". However, 6 months is plenty of time for someone to come up with a serious discussion about something "smart". However, that same fact brings me back to my exact point: the world is going nowhere but backwards :frusty:
so you can say that just because no-one has praised those who you feel are kings among men in the last 6 months is a "fact" which "proves" your point...yeah, sure... ;)

[DWk]

Actually those people I mentioned are a few in the bunch. However, I do consider them "kings" because I am a scientist. And most people which would be here (talking and discussing about science) SHOULD think the same. If they don&#39;t, they would be denying the basic rules of science and its nature.

And although this has gone off-topic, I still think it should be something that people should talk and discuss about.

Before we go more off-topic, I just want to say that only those who consider other people as "smarter" are those who stay with the rest of humanity and do not stand out as the people I mentioned did.

[tesco]

Originally posted by jaigandhi5@18 January 2004 - 22:54
i hav been here for over one year lol so STFU loll

jkin

stop fighting <_<

jus for one sec think about wt ur fighting about.... :blink:
Youve been here for over a year??? ur avator says uve been here since december 6th...

and STOP FIGHTING&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Spicker]

LOL look at the YEAR&#33;

2002&#33; :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[DWk]

Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004@18 January 2004 - 21:00
and STOP FIGHTING&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
It&#39;s too bad that people consider this discussion (and most that are held in this forum) as fights. You guys need to know the difference.

[Spicker]

umm ok den umm stop discussing about "whos smarter" lol&#33; <_< :rolleyes:

[4th gen]

Originally posted by DWk@19 January 2004 - 03:00
Actually those people I mentioned are a few in the bunch. However, I do consider them "kings" because I am a scientist. And most people which would be here (talking and discussing about science) SHOULD think the same. If they don&#39;t, they would be denying the basic rules of science and its nature.
how exactly would they be doing that then?

[Spicker]

ok thts it im gettin out of this thread.... <_<

[4th gen]

Originally posted by jaigandhi5@19 January 2004 - 03:06
ok thts it im gettin out of this thread.... <_<
you still haven&#39;t commented on your avatar...

;)

[Spicker]

Originally posted by 4th gen+19 January 2004 - 05:09--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (4th gen &#064; 19 January 2004 - 05:09)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jaigandhi5@19 January 2004 - 03:06
ok thts it im gettin out of this thread.... <_<
you still haven&#39;t commented on your avatar...

;) [/b][/quote]
umm yes i did...

wt about it?

it says year 2002 not 2003... <_<

he proably jus made a mistake....


LOL look at the YEAR&#33;

2002&#33;
scroll up&#33; lol :lol:

[4th gen]

Originally posted by jaigandhi5+19 January 2004 - 03:10--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jaigandhi5 @ 19 January 2004 - 03:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by 4th gen@19 January 2004 - 05:09
<!--QuoteBegin-jaigandhi5@19 January 2004 - 03:06
ok thts it im gettin out of this thread.... <_<
you still haven&#39;t commented on your avatar...

;)
umm yes i did...

wt about it? [/b][/quote]
well, your avatar would suggest that if an amd cpu approaches 2000MHz it spontaneously burts into flame...however, my amd cpu is clocked at 2.171GHz and has never gone on fire...

[Spicker]

oh tht lol

thts without there HSF lol&#33;

its jus for fun...

i actually prefer amd and wud like my next pc to be an AMD cpu

i dont hate intel or amd..they both hav goods and bads...

i just thought the avatar wud be a good change from my old one...if its bothering u jus ignore it ;) :D

[Virtualbody1234]

Hello. :blink:

Firstly, the link to another forum to show another poll is ok here. The more information the better on the topic.

As for the discussion about smart people being those who have done something in science... I don&#39;t agree. There are all kinds of different "smart" people. You&#39;re also not likely to see discussions about "The history of science" here in HardwareWorld.

And stop arguing now and get back on topic. If not I&#39;ll close this thread.

[Spicker]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@19 January 2004 - 05:16
Hello. :blink:

Firstly, the link to another forum to show another poll is ok here. The more information the better on the topic.

As for the discussion about smart people being those who have done something in science... I don&#39;t agree. There are all kinds of different "smart" people.

And stop arguing now and get back on topic. If not I&#39;ll close this thread.
lol i think we all shud AGREE ;) :D

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@18 January 2004 - 22:16
Hello. :blink:

Firstly, the link to another forum to show another poll is ok here. The more information the better on the topic.

As for the discussion about smart people being those who have done something in science... I don&#39;t agree. There are all kinds of different "smart" people. You&#39;re also not likely to see discussions about "The history of science" here in HardwareWorld.

And stop arguing now and get back on topic. If not I&#39;ll close this thread.
who is virtualbody? he must be new or something..or just NEVER ON THE FORUMS ANYMORE&#33; :P whats up..do moderators have like a time limit to be on the forums..cuz mods are hardly ever on..good to see you around...and yeah point proven, links to other forums is good.

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx+19 January 2004 - 05:51--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigdawgfoxx @ 19 January 2004 - 05:51)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Virtualbody1234@18 January 2004 - 22:16
Hello. :blink:

Firstly, the link to another forum to show another poll is ok here. The more information the better on the topic.

As for the discussion about smart people being those who have done something in science... I don&#39;t agree. There are all kinds of different "smart" people. You&#39;re also not likely to see discussions about "The history of science" here in HardwareWorld.

And stop arguing now and get back on topic. If not I&#39;ll close this thread.
who is virtualbody? he must be new or something..or just NEVER ON THE FORUMS ANYMORE&#33; :P whats up..do moderators have like a time limit to be on the forums..cuz mods are hardly ever on..good to see you around...and yeah point proven, links to other forums is good. [/b][/quote]
Yeah, what ever happened to VB123? I have been looking for his posts, as he drops knowledge everywhere (doesn&#39;t that sound like ebonics?)...I am bummed not to see him around. I think I know why you don&#39;t see him posting that much, but I will keep that to myself.

[Mr. Elmo]

becuz we pick on him? or do he have to attend special secrets web meeting w/ other mods :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink:

[Mad Cat]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx+19 January 2004 - 04:51--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigdawgfoxx @ 19 January 2004 - 04:51)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Virtualbody1234@18 January 2004 - 22:16
Hello. :blink:

Firstly, the link to another forum to show another poll is ok here. The more information the better on the topic.

As for the discussion about smart people being those who have done something in science... I don&#39;t agree. There are all kinds of different "smart" people. You&#39;re also not likely to see discussions about "The history of science" here in HardwareWorld.

And stop arguing now and get back on topic. If not I&#39;ll close this thread.
who is virtualbody? he must be new or something..or just NEVER ON THE FORUMS ANYMORE&#33; :P whats up..do moderators have like a time limit to be on the forums..cuz mods are hardly ever on..good to see you around...and yeah point proven, links to other forums is good. [/b][/quote]
Different time zones, work...

[atiVidia]

@ adamp2p and bigdawgfoxx:

http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/plz2stfufeeltehlovethx.gif

this is a poll where ppls discuss their opinions, not screwing with the mods

if no more constructiveness comes out of this poll, ill ask vb1234 to close it (unless another mod closes it first).

[bigdawgfoxx]

its just a joke man...he knows were kidding ease up

[abu_has_the_power]

every graphx card thread turns up this big. wow&#33; anyways, go ati&#33;

[DWk]

Hmmm k just got back.

VB I am asking you to close this thread now and just leave the poll going. I guess the guy on the "other forum" was right about too much flaming and stuff (even though we were having a very well argumented discussion with everyone, not a fight, argue, or flame war).

So please, DO close the topic and let the poll be a poll only.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by DWk@19 January 2004 - 16:35
Hmmm k just got back.

VB I am asking you to close this thread now and just leave the poll going. I guess the guy on the "other forum" was right about too much flaming and stuff (even though we were having a very well argumented discussion with everyone, not a fight, argue, or flame war).

So please, DO close the topic and let the poll be a poll only.
whos fighting? :huh: :unsure: :blink:

[atiVidia]

DONT CLOSE IT&#33;&#33;&#33;

the reason i asked for the poll in the first place was to see who picked who and WHY&#33;&#33;&#33;

so pleez VB, dont close it

[bigdawgfoxx]

Yeah, leave it open..its all fine now

[Mr. Elmo]

what is there to discuss about? out of the 6 pages, i dont see any "constructiveness"

[Schmiggy_JK23]

the Radeon 9800 XT > All.

nuff&#39; said.

[DWk]

Pointless argumentative post.

Edited by: Virtualbody1234.

[adamp2p]

A Window in Time: A Look Back at the 3D Industry (http://www.firingsquad.com/features/window_in_time/)

An article some of you guys might be interested in reading.

:)

[Cygnuz-Y]

Originally posted by adamp2p@20 January 2004 - 17:37
A Window in Time: A Look Back at the 3D Industry (http://www.firingsquad.com/features/window_in_time/)

An article some of you guys might be interested in reading.

:)
Very good article&#33; B)

[_John_Lennon_]

Excellant read.

ANd btw, over 50 people voted in this thread, wow, didnt know that many came to this board.

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by _John_Lennon_@20 January 2004 - 16:27
Excellant read.

ANd btw, over 50 people voted in this thread, wow, didnt know that many came to this board.
John Lennon, why don&#39;t you ask VB to look into how many of the votes were from people who "just registered...with almost zero posts...?"

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by adamp2p+20 January 2004 - 18:53--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (adamp2p @ 20 January 2004 - 18:53)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-_John_Lennon_@20 January 2004 - 16:27
Excellant read.

ANd btw, over 50 people voted in this thread, wow, didnt know that many came to this board.
John Lennon, why don&#39;t you ask VB to look into how many of the votes were from people who "just registered...with almost zero posts...?"

:lol: :lol: :lol: [/b][/quote]
I don&#39;t have that precise information, adamp2p.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Howd nvidia cath up so much...hmm must be some noobs that just joined haha..just kiddin :)

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234+20 January 2004 - 17:22--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Virtualbody1234 @ 20 January 2004 - 17:22)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by adamp2p@20 January 2004 - 18:53
<!--QuoteBegin-_John_Lennon_@20 January 2004 - 16:27
Excellant read.

ANd btw, over 50 people voted in this thread, wow, didnt know that many came to this board.
John Lennon, why don&#39;t you ask VB to look into how many of the votes were from people who "just registered...with almost zero posts...?"

:lol: :lol: :lol:
I don&#39;t have that precise information, adamp2p. [/b][/quote]
VB, you mean to tell me that you cannot see who voted in a poll? Seriously? Interesting... :)

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@20 January 2004 - 20:58
Howd nvidia cath up so much...hmm must be some noobs that just joined haha..just kiddin :)
yea. nvidia&#39;s catching up. wat up with dat?

[Lamsey]

A lot of people do prefer nVidia. ATi cards tend to be slightly less universally compatible, and at least in my experience are more expensive than nVidia counterparts.

[pc-gamer-dude]

nvidia is actually way better then ya&#39;all make of it. there gfx card 5600 is a cheap card offereing performance on scale with the radeon 9600 regular. and you can get the 5600 for &#036;100 if u look closely. and the 9600 is like &#036;30 more. i think ati is over priced, no good budget cards like nvidia. and nvidia cards last super long (espiecally the mx serious of the geforce 4). considering me dad has a geforce2 mx420 64mb is running games like COD at 1024x768 with medium details at a very playable framerate, on a 1ghz amd cpu, and 512mb pc2100 ram. so dont ya&#39;all be dissin agaisnt nvidia. yeah im not saying ati is bad, im just saying nvidia is pretty damn good if you think about it.

[Rip The Jacker]

I voted for Nvidia&#33; :01:

[DWk]

Originally posted by DWk@19 January 2004 - 18:14
Pointless argumentative post.

Edited by: Virtualbody1234.
:frusty: Another? Hmmm ok. I guess I shouldn&#39;t post anymore :ghostface:

[adamp2p]

Question: Please tell me, those of you who voted for Nvidia, who do you turn to when you decide to buy any hardware for your computing needs?

I will tell you this much: I don&#39;t know who you guys listen to, but they are few and far between, let me tell you&#33;

Let me start a "proof" for you.

First I will say that those of you who voted for Nvidia did so because you are sour you missed out on the Microsoft Direct X 9 API and wasted money on a card that was supposed to fare well in the DX9 API but did not. You should be angry at Nvidia and not try to justify an unfortunate decision you made.

Proof.

I am now going to prove to you that every respecable hardware website that you respect (or say you do and refer people to ahhemm...lamsey...) will categorically conclude that Nvidia was destroyed by ATi througout 2003, and so far in 2004.

1. Tom&#39;s Hardware (http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/index.html)disagrees with you.
2. Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1890) disagrees with you:

You’ve been living too perfect of a life if you’ve never used the phrase “it’s been a long day,” and for NVIDIA it has most definitely been a very long day. Just over two weeks ago the graphics industry was shook by some very hard hitting comments from Gabe Newell of Valve, primarily relating to the poor performance of NVIDIA cards under Half Life 2. All of the sudden ATI had finally done what they had worked feverishly for years to do, they were finally, seemingly overnight, crowned the king of graphics and more importantly – drivers. There were no comments on Half Life 2 day about ATI having poor drivers, compatibility problems or anything even remotely resembling discussions about ATI from the Radeon 8500 days.

Half Life 2 day was quickly followed up with all sorts of accusations against NVIDIA and their driver team; more and more articles were published with new discoveries, shedding light on other areas where ATI trounced NVIDIA. Everything seemed to all make sense now; even 3DMark was given the credibility of being the “I told you so” benchmark that predicted Half Life 2 performance several months in advance of September 12, 2003. At the end of the day and by the end of the week, NVIDIA had experienced the longest day they’ve had in recent history.

Some of the more powerful accusations went far beyond NVIDIA skimping on image quality to improve performance; these accusations included things like NVIDIA not really being capable of running DirectX 9 titles at their full potential, and one of the more interesting ones – that NVIDIA only optimizes for benchmarks that sites like AnandTech uses. Part of the explanation behind the Half Life 2 fiasco was that even if NVIDIA improves performance through later driver revisions, the performance improvements are only there because the game is used as a benchmark – and not as an attempt to improve the overall quality of their customers’ gaming experience. If that were true, then NVIDIA’s “the way it’s meant to be played” slogan would have to go under some serious rethinking; the way it’s meant to be benchmarked comes to mind.

3. Kyle (http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTY2) from [H]ardOCP disagrees with you:


Video Processor of the Year. ATI follows up 2002 with another VPU award from [H]. This time we are going to focus on the mainstream rather than the high-end parts. The technology behind the Radeon 9600 has certainly enhanced the game playing experience of many in the last twelve months, as very affordable 9600s, 9600 SEs, 9600Pros, and 9600XTs have been readily available. NVIDIA had a chance here this year, but finally coming to market in December and with very little penetration does not an award of the year make. ATI has been on target all year long fulfilling the true needs of gamers.
4. Xbitlabs.com (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/editorial/display/2003-awards_7.html)disagrees with you:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/editorial/2003-awards/best_gr_proc_des.gif

In the graphics processor market our readers appeared surprisingly unanimous. The indisputable leader here is ATI Company, which managed to win with a huge advantage. This company released the whole family of very successful solutions based on RADEON 9700 PRO architecture last year and definitely deserved this honor.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/editorial/2003-awards/Image7.png
5. The Members of Neowin disagree with you. (http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=128545)
6. Driverheaven (http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/xt59/index9.htm) disagrees with you:


The gap in performance is closer in this product cycle than it was when the 9800 Pro and 5900 Ultra were doing the rounds however based on the fact that the Radeon is faster overall in all but one of the tests we performed the Radeon 9800 XT should still be the card that’s top of your shopping list.


Now, please show me who you do trust&#33;

I am honestly disappointed in some of you for basing not basing judgments on facts.

However, that is only human nature. We make a mistake and the first thing we do is attempt to justify it with another mistake. Its always better to be objective and base your decisions on facts. When the entire respected hardware community makes a judgement and agrees, its a little hard, you must admit, to argue with them.

Why be a martyr for Nvidia when they have nothing to offer you?

Edit&#33;
Oh, yeah, I forgot my Q.E.D.

[bigdawgfoxx]

...wow...lol go ATI&#33; :D

[DWk]

The bad thing about this matter is - what happens if M&#036; comes out with a different DX API whenever they release DX10 (for example...don&#39;t even know if it&#39;ll be 10).

What does ATI assure you then? That your 9800XT will support DX10? No one ever knows :o

And yes, I&#39;m "angry" (well not precisely angry, but disappointed) that nVidia didn&#39;t release some good DX9 cards.

However, you ask who WE trust? Well I probably trust myself. I&#39;ve had nVidia cards for about 3-4 years and they have kept up until now. For example, my TNT2 Riva can play Call of Duty on high settings.

I think it pretty much depends on what your gaming is based on. For example, I wouldn&#39;t buy a DX9 card if I were to play Call of Duty or BF1942 or Counter-Strike. It would be a waste of money.

EDIT - spelling :D

[bigdawgfoxx]

yeah i mean...dont we all just like to by old outdated cards because the new cards arent good with DX9...that makes no since. ATI is better for DX9 period.

What does ATI assure you then? That your 9800XT will support DX10? No one ever knows
^^^ Nvidia isnt promising great DX10 cards...so why should ATI have to?

[DWk]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@20 January 2004 - 20:31
yeah i mean...dont we all just like to by old outdated cards because the new cards arent good with DX9...that makes no since.&nbsp; ATI is better for DX9 period.&nbsp;

What does ATI assure you then? That your 9800XT will support DX10? No one ever knows
^^^ Nvidia isnt promising great DX10 cards...so why should ATI have to?
As I said, it pretty much comes to what games you play.

Edit - Yes a lot of people would still buy some DX8 cards because they don&#39;t have 200 dollars to spare.

[bigdawgfoxx]

I guess thats true...but you can get DX9 cards for under &#036;200. But yeah I see your point.

[SciManAl]

HAHAHHAHAHA suck it trebeck lol ATI is in the lead WooT&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

:P



hehehehe i love ATI qaulity, speed, and not bad looking boxes mind you... :frusty:

[bigdawgfoxx]

or cards ;) :)

[Tormentor]

Nvidia is the best when you are looking for a good budget card(like me). But if have alot of money to blow Ati is the way to go.

[4th gen]

Originally posted by Tormentor@21 January 2004 - 05:35
Nvidia is the best when you are looking for a good budget card(like me). But if have alot of money to blow Ati is the way to go.
ati&#39;s "budget" range is just as good as nVidia&#39;s...

http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031...-charts-03.html (http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/vga-charts-03.html)

:)

[toddiscool]

I have to vote ati, just because I know from what I hear, that the high end cards a very impressive.

However, I have had 2 ATi cards, my current being a 9200, and my G force MX 440 out performs it by leaps and bounds on a lot of games, except for those which ofcourse did not support the card. Just like to mention that card because for a budget card it was amazing.

[cpt_azad]

my 9600 works so freakin well (wonder what 9700 is capable of...). ATi Definately gets my vote.

i need something clarified though, i heard that ati is a canadian company, is this true? or do they just make the cards in canada (manufacture)?

[cpt_azad]

400th post :lol: :D :o :D

[Evil Gemini]

I cant really decide on wich cards are better because i have only had an nvidia card only because i have read that the ati drivers are crap and can be a pain to get going.

I have seen a screenshot of need for speed underground running on each card and i have to say that the ati cards look slightly better in chrome effects but that was just one screenshot anyways.

Also, it depends on who actually puts these cards together. I have always stuck to leadtek nvidia cards.

Wouldnt it be cool if leadtek made ati cards ?? :)

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by Evil Gemini@21 January 2004 - 00:35
I cant really decide on wich cards are better because i have only had an nvidia card only because i have read that the ati drivers are crap and can be a pain to get going.

I have seen a screenshot of need for speed underground running on each card and i have to say that the ati cards look slightly better in chrome effects but that was just one screenshot anyways.

Also, it depends on who actually puts these cards together. I have always stuck to leadtek nvidia cards.

Wouldnt it be cool if leadtek made ati cards ?? :)
I don&#39;t know where you have been all year, man?


Anandtech:You’ve been living too perfect of a life if you’ve never used the phrase “it’s been a long day,” and for NVIDIA it has most definitely been a very long day. Just over two weeks ago the graphics industry was shook by some very hard hitting comments from Gabe Newell of Valve, primarily relating to the poor performance of NVIDIA cards under Half Life 2. All of the sudden ATI had finally done what they had worked feverishly for years to do, they were finally, seemingly overnight, crowned the king of graphics and more importantly – drivers. There were no comments on Half Life 2 day about ATI having poor drivers, compatibility problems or anything even remotely resembling discussions about ATI from the Radeon 8500 days.

Half Life 2 day was quickly followed up with all sorts of accusations against NVIDIA and their driver team; more and more articles were published with new discoveries, shedding light on other areas where ATI trounced NVIDIA. Everything seemed to all make sense now; even 3DMark was given the credibility of being the “I told you so” benchmark that predicted Half Life 2 performance several months in advance of September 12, 2003. At the end of the day and by the end of the week, NVIDIA had experienced the longest day they’ve had in recent history.

Some of the more powerful accusations went far beyond NVIDIA skimping on image quality to improve performance; these accusations included things like NVIDIA not really being capable of running DirectX 9 titles at their full potential, and one of the more interesting ones – that NVIDIA only optimizes for benchmarks that sites like AnandTech uses. Part of the explanation behind the Half Life 2 fiasco was that even if NVIDIA improves performance through later driver revisions, the performance improvements are only there because the game is used as a benchmark – and not as an attempt to improve the overall quality of their customers’ gaming experience. If that were true, then NVIDIA’s “the way it’s meant to be played” slogan would have to go under some serious rethinking; the way it’s meant to be benchmarked comes to mind.

Edit, I wanted to include the source, as he is probably the most respected hardware geek on the internet. Source: clicky (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1890)

[DWk]

Originally posted by toddiscool@21 January 2004 - 00:14
I have to vote ati, just because I know from what I hear, that the high end cards a very impressive.

However, I have had 2 ATi cards, my current being a 9200, and my G force MX 440 out performs it by leaps and bounds on a lot of games, except for those which ofcourse did not support the card. Just like to mention that card because for a budget card it was amazing.
Isn&#39;t the 9200 the first of ATI&#39;S DX9 cards?

By the way, yes they are from Canada :o :D

[Spicker]

Originally posted by DWk+21 January 2004 - 12:52--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DWk &#064; 21 January 2004 - 12:52)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-toddiscool@21 January 2004 - 00:14
I have to vote ati, just because I know from what I hear, that the high end cards a very impressive.

However, I have had 2 ATi cards, my current being a 9200, and my G force MX 440 out performs it by leaps and bounds on a lot of games, except for those which ofcourse did not support the card. Just like to mention that card because for a budget card it was amazing.
Isn&#39;t the 9200 the first of ATI&#39;S DX9 cards?

By the way, yes they are from Canada :o :D [/b][/quote]
lollllllllllllll i never knew tht.....

then why the hell dont they have 9500pros anywhere in canada..... <_<

EDIT: hold on a tick if its a canadian company they should take the tax off :angry: :angry:
:ph34r: :01:

[Rocktron]

I voted ATI. I have a Radeon 9600.. works like a charm.

[_John_Lennon_]

Originally posted by jaigandhi5@21 January 2004 - 07:33

then why the hell dont they have 9500pros anywhere in canada..... <_<

EDIT: hold on a tick if its a canadian company they should take the tax off :angry: :angry:
:ph34r: :01:
Because they dont make it anymore, though you can still found shelf sleepers of them online.

I love my 9500 Pro, with the Omega Drivers and overclocking, it runs at 9700Pro/9800 Level. :)

[SciManAl]

I have heard and seen alittle bit that ATI cards are a bit cooler running?&#33;?&#33;

I don&#39;t know if it is true, but my 9600 in this computers runs at 26 degrees c idle and 30 with a heavy load...

And my 9800 in my test rig is running at 29degrees idle, and 31 degrees running

This is with stock cooling of course.. and no oc...