Upgrading My Rig

[abu_has_the_power]

here's what i'll do:
1. complain to ibuypower that their ram and mobo and hsf are all broken, and get them all replaced (shouldn't be too hard, i'll do it separately)
2. sell my 2 new ram (Samsung Infineon 2x 256ddr pc3200) for around $40/stick on ebay.
3. sell my 2 brand new 256mb kingston valueram pc2100 for maybe $25-35/stick
4. sell my new powercolor 865ape on ebay for $50-60
5. sell my new intel stock hsf for $5-10 on ebay

6. buy the Coolmaster Aero 4 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-103-138&catalog=62&depa=1) for $24ish on newegg
7. buy the ABIT IS7 865APE (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-127-155&catalog=280&depa=1)Motherboard for $90 with free shipping on ebay
8. Get some better ram, like:
Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, 512 (256mbx2) ddr PC3200 with Platinum-Silver Heat Spreader ($119) (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-145-452&catalog=147&depa=1)

Selling: 2*40+2*35+50+10 = $210
Buying: 24+90+119 = $233
I might find some there stuff to sell, or just throw in $23 myself.

wat do u guys think? is that good mobo and good ram? that mobo has some pretty good ocing features. how's that ram? fit for ocing? any suggestions?

btw, is that a good hsf? i'm not goin it wc yet. don't have $200 to spare.

i'm planning on ocing up to 3.4ghz with this setup. any suggestions?


EDIT: this way, my rig will still be around $683 if i don't find anything else to sell. that's so kool!



EDIT: new plan. buying the asus p4p800 ($100) and not getting the aero 4


EDIT: NVM BOUT THE ABOVE EDIT! i'm trying to decide betweent the abit is7 and the asus p4p800. help me out? :helpsmile: :helpsmile: :unsure: :unsure:

[atiVidia]

the new jet HSF... dont remember the # or thr $ but its sexy as $hit!

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by atiVidia@18 January 2004 - 13:35
the new jet HSF... dont remember the # or thr $ but its sexy as $hit!
u mean the white one? that's more expensive, and gets same temps as the aero 4. i don't really care how good a hsf looks

[bigdawgfoxx]

I thought that those jet HSF things didnt do as good a job as regular HSF....

Your gona overclock 1Ghz with that setup?

[mr. nails]

go AMD!!!

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by mr. nails@18 January 2004 - 12:44
go AMD!!!
He is not building a new computer, he is taking his CPU out of the one he already has and is putting it in new parts. The CPU he has is a P4 2.4C :)

[abu_has_the_power]

a lot o ppl with this mobo goes up to 3.4 with stock hsf. i can go beyond 3.4 for sure with this. wat do u think?

[bigdawgfoxx]

Hmmm, I dont really know, but if youve seen people do it it must be true! :) That will be really cool if you get it that high. I still think that normal ones are better...let other people comment on it.

[mr. nails]

accually, i think u should wait 'til doom3 is released then upgrade. at least then u will know what min. specs should be. but that my opinion.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by mr. nails@18 January 2004 - 13:50
accually, i think u should wait 'til doom3 is released then upgrade. at least then u will know what min. specs should be. but that my opinion.
the setup i have now plays doom 3 alpha at 35fps. that's pretty good. besides, it's more the graphx card than the cpu that matters for doom 3. do u guys think the prices are within range? like the prices i'm selling the stuff for. any suggestions as to what else i should do?

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@18 January 2004 - 13:49
Hmmm, I dont really know, but if youve seen people do it it must be true! :) That will be really cool if you get it that high.  I still think that normal ones are better...let other people comment on it.
check this out:
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=204508

and this:
http://www.ocforums.com/poll.php?action=sh...ults&pollid=195 (http://www.ocforums.com/poll.php?action=showresults&pollid=195)

[bigdawgfoxx]

Tight.

I still wana know bout that HS/F though.

[Livy]

i wanna know u your gonna get non faulty parts replaced?

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by Livy@18 January 2004 - 14:02
i wanna know u your gonna get non faulty parts replaced?
well, last time i got my ram replaced cuz they said it's faulty, but it's actually not. i'll just tell them my bios isn't working. and as for my ram, i'll say there's a error popping up that says ram is bad. and my hsf, i'll tell them the fan isn't spinning anymore. they don't mind taking back parts.

[abu_has_the_power]

maybe i should get the asus one?
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....alog=280&depa=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-459&catalog=280&depa=1)

many ppl have been having probs with both mobos. hmmm... which one should i get?

[tesco]

the abit one looks better too me because it has more onboard features, and its $16 less but i dont know about performance.

[abu_has_the_power]

wat's up with the ATA100 and the 133? which one do i need? cuz this one and the asus p4p800 one are only ata100. i know they're for hdds, but which one do i have and wat's the difference? i'm so confused rite now

[bigdawgfoxx]

Both mobos look good. Which HS/F are bettter? The ones with the "jet" or the regular ones?

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@18 January 2004 - 17:10
Both mobos look good. Which HS/F are bettter? The ones with the "jet" or the regular ones?
the aero 4 and aero 7 get similar results. they're better than regular hsf's cuz they blow directly onto the cpu and hs. regular fans have a cylinder of space in the middle where there is no airflow. i don't have the pic handy, but there's one that explains this.


btw, do u guys think that ram is overkill? i just need one that ocs good

[callum]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@18 January 2004 - 20:45
wat's up with the ATA100 and the 133? which one do i need? cuz this one and the asus p4p800 one are only ata100. i know they're for hdds, but which one do i have and wat's the difference? i'm so confused rite now
Your current hdds are probably ata130, which means they have a maximum transfer rate of 133MB/sec.


current 7,200-RPM hard drives have trouble saturating even an ATA/100 interface, which is theoretically capable of transferring data at up to 100MB/sec.
Quote taken from this article

serial ata versus parallel ata (http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2003q1/ata-comparo/index)

I think ata100 will be fine.

I bought the abit is7-e last week, still haven't used it yet.
Been waiting for e-buyer to deliver my new case for 3 weeks :angry:

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by callum+18 January 2004 - 18:59--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (callum @ 18 January 2004 - 18:59)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@18 January 2004 - 20:45
wat&#39;s up with the ATA100 and the 133? which one do i need? cuz this one and the asus p4p800 one are only ata100. i know they&#39;re for hdds, but which one do i have and wat&#39;s the difference? i&#39;m so confused rite now
Your current hdds are probably ata130, which means they have a maximum transfer rate of 133MB/sec.


current 7,200-RPM hard drives have trouble saturating even an ATA/100 interface, which is theoretically capable of transferring data at up to 100MB/sec.
Quote taken from this article

serial ata versus parallel ata (http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2003q1/ata-comparo/index)

I think ata100 will be fine.

I bought the abit is7-e last week, still haven&#39;t used it yet.
Been waiting for e-buyer to deliver my new case for 3 weeks :angry: [/b][/quote]
how is it? like are there any probs rite out of the box?


and is my ram overkill? wat&#39;s a good ram for ocing, and it&#39;s too expensive

[callum]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@18 January 2004 - 23:04
how is it? like are there any probs rite out of the box?

No problems, I choose it over an asus board that was the exact same price.
Why did you choose the is7 instead of the cheaper is7-e?
There is only a couple of differences.

I&#39;m just annoyed that I can&#39;t use it yet, it&#39;ll be the first and last time I use e-buyer.
My new case was meant to come on the 7th. then after emailing them they said it would come on the 16th, later that day i found out it was now discontiued. They had already taken my money, and when I asked for it back, I was told it had been sent out for delivery. I don&#39;t think they know what they&#39;re doing.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by callum+18 January 2004 - 19:14--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (callum @ 18 January 2004 - 19:14)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@18 January 2004 - 23:04
how is it? like are there any probs rite out of the box?

No problems, I choose it over an asus board that was the exact same price.
Why did you choose the is7 instead of the cheaper is7-e?
There is only a couple of differences.

I&#39;m just annoyed that I can&#39;t use it yet, it&#39;ll be the first and last time I use e-buyer.
My new case was meant to come on the 7th. then after emailing them they said it would come on the 16th, later that day i found out it was now discontiued. They had already taken my money, and when I asked for it back, I was told it had been sent out for delivery. I don&#39;t think they know what they&#39;re doing. [/b][/quote]
yea, wat is the difference between hte is7 and is7e?


can anyone answer my ram question?

[abu_has_the_power]

:frusty: :frusty:

[4th gen]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@19 January 2004 - 05:11
:frusty: :frusty:
i have pretty much the exact same ram (only mine is 3500 and i only have one 512MB stick) and it&#39;s excellent ram...good for overclocking and tight timings... :)

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by 4th gen+19 January 2004 - 01:18--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (4th gen @ 19 January 2004 - 01:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@19 January 2004 - 05:11
:frusty:&nbsp; :frusty:
i have pretty much the exact same ram (only mine is 3500 and i only have one 512MB stick) and it&#39;s excellent ram...good for overclocking and tight timings... :) [/b][/quote]
good. i was wondering if it&#39;s absolutely necessary to successfully oc. cuz i&#39;m pretty sure some ppl don&#39;t have that ram and still oc pretty well. 119 is a bit expensive.

[4th gen]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@19 January 2004 - 05:19
good. i was wondering if it&#39;s absolutely necessary to successfully oc. cuz i&#39;m pretty sure some ppl don&#39;t have that ram and still oc pretty well. 119 is a bit expensive.
have you had a look at Mushkin ram?

it comes highly recommended from members of this board and the OC&#39;ing community and is supposed to be cheaper than corsair...

[adamp2p]

Hey abu, my friend at neowin (http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showuser=335) highly recommes the P4P800 Deluxe. His settings:

ASUS P4P800 Deluxe
(i865PE Chipset, AMI bIOs v.1014 12/12/2003)

Pentium 4 2.40C (@3.3GHz (D1-Step))
Corsair TwinX-LL 1.5GB DDR400 (@440.6MHz)

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by adamp2p@19 January 2004 - 01:53
Hey abu, my friend at neowin (http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showuser=335) highly recommes the P4P800 Deluxe. His settings:

ASUS P4P800 Deluxe
(i865PE Chipset, AMI bIOs v.1014 12/12/2003)

Pentium 4 2.40C (@3.3GHz (D1-Step))
Corsair TwinX-LL 1.5GB DDR400 (@440.6MHz)
i was looking into that one. here&#39;s my issues:
1. i don&#39;t have any sata drives
2. it&#39;s 40-50 more expensive

wat&#39;s his cpu oced to with that setup?

[adamp2p]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/mainboards/asus-p4p800/board.jpg

Abu, you answer is listed in his specs. 3.3 GHz. I read that this board is able to enable the Intel PAT (Performance Acceleration Technology).

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/mainboards/asus-p4p800/pat-false.png

PAT in ASUS P4P800:


The remarkable thing about ASUS P4P800 mainboard is the fact that ASUS engineers allegedly managed to enable PAT technology in it, which is a prerogative of a more expensive i875P chipset. However, ASUS had to give up these attractive statements under Intel’s inevitable pressure later on, there is just a short mention of some HyperPath technology on their web-site right now. Let’s take a look at the description of this mysterious HyperPath technology:

&nbsp; &nbsp; HyperPath provides a short cut for data transfer between the CPU and memory by bypassing redundant mechanisms included in conservative chipset designs. The ASUS innovation significantly shortens latency time and enhances performance without sacrificing stability. Before implementing the advanced technology, ASUS&#39; engineering team conducted thorough and stringent tests to strike a perfect balance between performance and reliability.

Read the entire review here (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/asus-p4p800.html)



From what I understand, you don&#39;t need to buy the Deluxe model even to get this feature.PAT in ASUS P4P800 (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/asus-p4p800_7.html)

Oh, and Abu, my friend,

"P4C800-E Deluxe" OC&#39;ing tips etc. (http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59206&perpage=15&pagenumber=1) That is not the exact mobo you want, but the bios and general functionality should be similar.

[abu_has_the_power]

thanks adamp2p. those are some great links. but i don&#39;t have 170 to spare for a 875 chip. i&#39;d love to get one, but that&#39;s a bit beyond my budget. well, i&#39;ve decided on the mobo, for now. hows the hsf and ram? i&#39;m still thinking the ram is overkill if i only want to oc. and will that hsf keep my cpu cool for ocing?

EDIT: nevermind... ic. pretty cool. so the p4p800 has pat too aye? i&#39;ll look into that. it&#39;s just &#036;10 more expensive. i&#39;ll find a way to get that &#036;. in the meantime, answer the above q. thanks

[abu_has_the_power]

ok. thanks for pointing that out adam. i&#39;m goin with the p4p800 now&#33; looks good, and it has sata support, not necessary, yet...


anyways, i&#39;ve decided to stick with my current hsf (intel stock) and c how far i can get with it.

can anyone give me some suggestions for good ocing ram that doesn&#39;t have to be this expensive?

[bigdawgfoxx]

Thats not that bad of a price. I paid &#036;135 for my Mushkin PC3200 2X256MB 2-2-2-5. There is no level II 2X256MB of it on newegg right now..just PC3500 but thats like &#036;170. That corsair is a good price, I would get it. The only thing is that its timed at 2-3-3...but you can prob tighten.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@19 January 2004 - 11:23
Thats not that bad of a price. I paid &#036;135 for my Mushkin PC3200 2X256MB 2-2-2-5. There is no level II 2X256MB of it on newegg right now..just PC3500 but thats like &#036;170. That corsair is a good price, I would get it. The only thing is that its timed at 2-3-3...but you can prob tighten.
i can change the timings with the asus and the abit. but most likely i&#39;d get the asus. wat i want to know is if there&#39;s any cheaper ram that still ocs well

[abu_has_the_power]

well, for the Mushkin 184 Pin 512MB(256MBx2) DDR PC-3200 Level One Dual Pack - Retail, newegg is out, but they sell it. same price as the corsair. which one should i get? i&#39;m thinking corsair has a bigger name, i may be wrong.

heres the link
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....alog=147&depa=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-289&catalog=147&depa=1)

[bigdawgfoxx]

Thats level one not level two ram. The Corsair is timed at 2-3-3 and the mushkin is at 2-3-2.

Another quesiton, I heard on a site that mushkin says to take the middle to number in the timing, for me it would be 2 and 2 (2-2-2-6) and then add those together equaling 4, then add 2 to that equalling 6 and thats what the last number should be...will i loose performance by making it 2-2-2-5?

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@19 January 2004 - 12:19
Thats level one not level two ram. The Corsair is timed at 2-3-3 and the mushkin is at 2-3-2.

Another quesiton, I heard on a site that mushkin says to take the middle to number in the timing, for me it would be 2 and 2 (2-2-2-6) and then add those together equaling 4, then add 2 to that equalling 6 and thats what the last number should be...will i loose performance by making it 2-2-2-5?
prob not. and wat&#39;s the difference with level 1 and 2? wat&#39;s the corsair one&#39;s level? can&#39;t i just change the timings?

[bigdawgfoxx]

Level 2 has better timings. 2-2-2-6 instead of 2-3-2-7. You can change the timings probably..its just that with level 2 its garunteed to run at 2-2-2-6.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@19 January 2004 - 12:47
Level 2 has better timings. 2-2-2-6 instead of 2-3-2-7. You can change the timings probably..its just that with level 2 its garunteed to run at 2-2-2-6.
ok. so i should stick with the corsair ram i have up there?

[Dray_04]

hey im looking into upgrading my system as well.

i dont have the &#036;&#036; yet, but will have sum around 7th february, so should i wait till games like HL2 and UT2004 come out or can i safely upgrade my system now without the fear of the games not working so good on my new system.

ill have NZ&#036;400 to do a new graphics card, mobo and memory.

i no that is not enough but ill probably get the mobo and graphic card first, then get sum better memory.

does &#036;400 sound like it will get me sum good shit

p.s is a radeon 9600 pro better than a 9600 XT?

[Mad Cat]

XT beats PRO.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power+19 January 2004 - 13:42--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (abu_has_the_power @ 19 January 2004 - 13:42)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@19 January 2004 - 12:47
Level 2 has better timings. 2-2-2-6 instead of 2-3-2-7.&nbsp; You can change the timings probably..its just that with level 2 its garunteed to run at 2-2-2-6.
ok. so i should stick with the corsair ram i have up there? [/b][/quote]
Yes, since they dont have any Level II mushkin ram...I would get the corsair you listed above.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx+19 January 2004 - 15:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigdawgfoxx @ 19 January 2004 - 15:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@19 January 2004 - 13:42
<!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@19 January 2004 - 12:47
Level 2 has better timings. 2-2-2-6 instead of 2-3-2-7. You can change the timings probably..its just that with level 2 its garunteed to run at 2-2-2-6.
ok. so i should stick with the corsair ram i have up there?
Yes, since they dont have any Level II mushkin ram...I would get the corsair you listed above. [/b][/quote]
do i need to keep the timings at 2-2-2-6? can&#39;t i just use the original timings and still oc?

[bigdawgfoxx]

I dont quite understand what your asking, but you should just leave them on factory settings if your getting the corsair probably. The corsair is 2-3-2-7 I think. The level II mushkin is 2-2-2-6. There both really good, but newegg doesnt have the mushkin level 2. I would get the original corsair you listed above.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@19 January 2004 - 16:02
I dont quite understand what your asking, but you should just leave them on factory settings if your getting the corsair probably. The corsair is 2-3-2-7 I think. The level II mushkin is 2-2-2-6. There both really good, but newegg doesnt have the mushkin level 2. I would get the original corsair you listed above.
yea, that&#39;s what i&#39;m doing. but wat i&#39;m asking is do i have to tweak the memory timings to oc? i don&#39;t think it&#39;s really necessary.

[abu_has_the_power]

i&#39;m kinda caught in a problem here. i just looked into both the asus p4p800 and the is7, and i think the is7 might actually be better. both have sata support, and the p4p800 doesn&#39;t have firewire ports. the is7 has a better onboard audio thing too. wat&#39;s up? the is7 is cheaper too

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@19 January 2004 - 16:28
i&#39;m kinda caught in a problem here. i just looked into both the asus p4p800 and the is7, and i think the is7 might actually be better. both have sata support, and the p4p800 doesn&#39;t have firewire ports. the is7 has a better onboard audio thing too. wat&#39;s up? the is7 is cheaper too
which one is better? help? anyone? :helpsmile: :helpsmile: :frusty:

[bigdawgfoxx]

With the asus your paying extra for the name keep in mind. The asus looks awesome, and I dont ever use firewire, so I would get the Asus prob...And no you dont have to tweak your memory timings to overclock.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@19 January 2004 - 18:47
With the asus your paying extra for the name keep in mind. The asus looks awesome, and I dont ever use firewire, so I would get the Asus prob...And no you dont have to tweak your memory timings to overclock.
thanks. well, abit is pretty big in the oc world too. and i sometimes do use firewire. it&#39;s either firewire and better audio or that hyperpath thing that asus has which makes it as fast as the 875&#39;s. hmmmm.... (in deep thought) hmm.....

[DWk]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@19 January 2004 - 16:47
With the asus your paying extra for the name keep in mind.
WHAT IN THE WORLD does that mean?

So you pay money just for a brand and not for actual performance?

[bigdawgfoxx]

Its like nike shoes..they just cost more..like intel..like anything else in this world..remember guys he never tries to start fights..i knew before i posted that he would be the first one to quote me with something gay...what i said made perfect since.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power+19 January 2004 - 17:50--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (abu_has_the_power @ 19 January 2004 - 17:50)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@19 January 2004 - 18:47
With the asus your paying extra for the name keep in mind.&nbsp; The asus looks awesome, and I dont ever use firewire, so I would get the Asus prob...And no you dont have to tweak your memory timings to overclock.
thanks. well, abit is pretty big in the oc world too. and i sometimes do use firewire. it&#39;s either firewire and better audio or that hyperpath thing that asus has which makes it as fast as the 875&#39;s. hmmmm.... (in deep thought) hmm..... [/b][/quote]
tought choice...what kind of speakers do you use? you might not even need the 6.1 or w/e.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx+19 January 2004 - 19:02--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigdawgfoxx @ 19 January 2004 - 19:02)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@19 January 2004 - 17:50
<!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@19 January 2004 - 18:47
With the asus your paying extra for the name keep in mind. The asus looks awesome, and I dont ever use firewire, so I would get the Asus prob...And no you dont have to tweak your memory timings to overclock.
thanks. well, abit is pretty big in the oc world too. and i sometimes do use firewire. it&#39;s either firewire and better audio or that hyperpath thing that asus has which makes it as fast as the 875&#39;s. hmmmm.... (in deep thought) hmm.....
tought choice...what kind of speakers do you use? you might not even need the 6.1 or w/e. [/b][/quote]
i&#39;m getting subwoofers soon

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx+19 January 2004 - 19:02--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigdawgfoxx @ 19 January 2004 - 19:02)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@19 January 2004 - 17:50
<!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@19 January 2004 - 18:47
With the asus your paying extra for the name keep in mind. The asus looks awesome, and I dont ever use firewire, so I would get the Asus prob...And no you dont have to tweak your memory timings to overclock.
thanks. well, abit is pretty big in the oc world too. and i sometimes do use firewire. it&#39;s either firewire and better audio or that hyperpath thing that asus has which makes it as fast as the 875&#39;s. hmmmm.... (in deep thought) hmm.....
tought choice...what kind of speakers do you use? you might not even need the 6.1 or w/e. [/b][/quote]
the abit is cheaper, has all the features of asus, except for the hyperpath thing

[DWk]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@19 January 2004 - 17:00
Its like nike shoes..they just cost more..like intel..like anything else in this world..remember guys he never tries to start fights..i knew before i posted that he would be the first one to quote me with something gay...what i said made perfect since.
Lol you amaze me. I bet if a snake was in front of you it would bit you.

Yes what you said made perfect SENSE

However I had to ask - you don&#39;t seem to know enough about computers to say something like that.

By the way.... what about nike shoes? I don&#39;t buy nike shoes. And what about Intel? You use AMD, don&#39;t you?

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by DWk+19 January 2004 - 20:30--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DWk @ 19 January 2004 - 20:30)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@19 January 2004 - 17:00
Its like nike shoes..they just cost more..like intel..like anything else in this world..remember guys he never tries to start fights..i knew before i posted that he would be the first one to quote me with something gay...what i said made perfect since.
Lol you amaze me. I bet if a snake was in front of you it would bit you.

Yes what you said made perfect SENSE

However I had to ask - you don&#39;t seem to know enough about computers to say something like that.

By the way.... what about nike shoes? I don&#39;t buy nike shoes. And what about Intel? You use AMD, don&#39;t you? [/b][/quote]
lets not turn this thread into a verbal dueling room like the others.


somebody give me some suggestions? i&#39;m stuck between the abit and the asus, and i&#39;m not sure which one to get... EEEEJKKKK :wacko:

[Virtualbody1234]

lets not turn this thread into a verbal dueling room like the others.
I agree. <_< And for someone who says he doesn&#39;t start fights... I must say that you do come up with some controversial statements to get people going (poke... poke... poke...).

About the MB... I would say go with the Asus but that&#39;s just my opinion. (could be influenced by the fact that I had an Abit die on me lately. :( )

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@19 January 2004 - 21:41

lets not turn this thread into a verbal dueling room like the others.
I agree. <_< And for someone who says he doesn&#39;t start fights... I must say that you do come up with some controversial statements to get people going (poke... poke... poke...).

About the MB... I would say go with the Asus but that&#39;s just my opinion. (could be influenced by the fact that I had an Abit die on me lately. :( )
how did it die? it just died, or u did something wrong

[bigdawgfoxx]

I would get the asus.

And I think I know enough about computers to say that Asus cost more for the same features as other companies sometimes...and get some shox...ull start buying nikes haha

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@19 January 2004 - 20:45
how did it die? it just died, or u did something wrong
It just died. I tried evey trick in the book and still dead. Lost all the data in the RAID 0 setup I had too. All the other parts of the system were still good.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@19 January 2004 - 21:51
I would get the asus.

And I think I know enough about computers to say that Asus cost more for the same features as other companies sometimes...and get some shox...ull start buying nikes haha
i wear nikes. lol. anyways, i know the asus board has it&#39;s good features, such as ai ocing (prob not very useful, for the idiot noobies), that hyperpath thing, and a good name.

the abit has: pretty good name, regular bios, firewire, better onboard sound, and it has a fan for the chipset. hmmm......


@VB, that sucks. was there a power surge or soemthing? usually mobo&#39;s just don&#39;t die unless something happened. look at my old hp. i&#39;ve used it for 4.5 years, and no hardware probs at all&#33; kinda surprising

[bigdawgfoxx]

yeah same with my 3 year old dell lol..they might not be the best bang for the buck...buttt they will last usually, due to testing before there shipped out.

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@19 January 2004 - 20:59


@VB, that sucks. was there a power surge or soemthing? usually mobo&#39;s just don&#39;t die unless something happened. look at my old hp. i&#39;ve used it for 4.5 years, and no hardware probs at all&#33; kinda surprising
I know it&#39;s kind of surprising but it happened. I don&#39;t know if it was a power surge that caused it but it was the only part that died. If it was a power surge then I would think other parts would have gone also. It had run for a little over a year (I never even tried to claim warranty).

[abu_has_the_power]

so wat should i do bout my mobo dilemma ppl? the abit is cheaper, and has firewire. the asus is more expensive, and doesn&#39;t have firewire. other than that, theres only the hyperpath difference. :unsure: :unsure:

[bigdawgfoxx]

I would go with the Asus.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@19 January 2004 - 22:38
I would go with the Asus.
maybe your rite. that would add up to &#036;119 + &#036;106, or &#036;225. there&#39;s only a &#036;5 difference. hmmm..... i&#39;m wondering if the firewire support will come in handy. and certainly the fan on the chipset heatsink will be useful. hmmm..... thanks dawg. now, any other suggestions? not that i don&#39;t trust ur judgement dawg, just want more ppl&#39;s opinions to help me decide

EDIT: well, i&#39;m buying till this thursday. so i still have time. in the meantime, i&#39;ve decided to stick with the stock hsf. how far will that take me in terms of ocing? i&#39;m thinking not too far. my goal is 3.4ghz. should i get a new hsf?

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@19 January 2004 - 19:28
so wat should i do bout my mobo dilemma ppl? the abit is cheaper, and has firewire. the asus is more expensive, and doesn&#39;t have firewire. other than that, theres only the hyperpath difference. :unsure: :unsure:
Abu, it really is your call. However, the hyperpath BIOS hack that enables PAT is an excellent plus. I myself was thinking of getting one of those but I could not justify the purchase to myself.

Personally I think it is kind of a bad idea to buy a new mobo today as the Prescott is going to be released sometime in the next couple of weeks and it would really suck if your new mobo didn&#39;t support it...

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by adamp2p+19 January 2004 - 22:45--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (adamp2p @ 19 January 2004 - 22:45)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@19 January 2004 - 19:28
so wat should i do bout my mobo dilemma ppl? the abit is cheaper, and has firewire. the asus is more expensive, and doesn&#39;t have firewire. other than that, theres only the hyperpath difference. :unsure: :unsure:
Abu, it really is your call. However, the hyperpath BIOS hack that enables PAT is an excellent plus. I myself was thinking of getting one of those but I could not justify the purchase to myself.

Personally I think it is kind of a bad idea to buy a new mobo today as the Prescott is going to be released sometime in the next couple of weeks and it would really suck if your new mobo didn&#39;t support it... [/b][/quote]
hmmm... the p4p800 says it supports it.

New power design supports Intel next generation Prescott CPU

wat&#39;s a prescott again? arn&#39;t they out already? i&#39;m so confused rite now.

[bigdawgfoxx]

its the new 64bit chip by intel, like the athlon 64.

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@19 January 2004 - 20:07
its the new 64bit chip by intel, like the athlon 64.
:) Sorry bigdawg, but that is just a rumor.

FWIK its a 90 nanometer microprocessor by Intel that uses a hell of a lot of wattage and has a 1 MB level two cache. I would write more right now but I am trying to finish this job for my boss.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@19 January 2004 - 23:07
its the new 64bit chip by intel, like the athlon 64.
well, the asus one supports prescotts. weird. how does a 865 mobo support 64 bit processors/

[Spicker]

my p4 asus mobo says it supports the new Prescott CPUs as well lol and i dont really know wt it means...lol

btw i got my mobo for cheap&#33;
ASUS P4P8x (dual channel ddr, SATA, 6 channel audio, ai overcloking and yada yada...lol

WORKING GREAT lol

109&#036;CDN

[abu_has_the_power]

ok. i guess i should get the asus. now, bout the hsf. any suggestions? i have a hunch the stock one won&#39;t last at 3.4

[abu_has_the_power]

doesn&#39;t anyone have anything to say bout the intel stock hsf?

[abu_has_the_power]

ok. i&#39;ve decided. i&#39;m sticking with the asus. after reading some reviews, and feedback from newegg customers, i&#39;m gonna get the asus.

now bout the hsf...

[abu_has_the_power]

bump

should i get as3 or as5? (artic silver thermal grease). both seem to be pretty good. and please help me pick a hsf for my budget. &#036;20 ish.

[abu_has_the_power]

if anyone cares to respond anymore ( <_< ), i&#39;m buying my stuff on ebay.

if i win the bids, i can get:
-artic silver 5 for &#036;0.99 (Buy it Now price)
-Asus p4c800 deluxe for around &#036;80-100
-Thermaltake P4 Spark 7+ for &#036;18&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
-the ram for &#036;50-100

that&#39;s a huge relief on my savings

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by adamp2p+19 January 2004 - 22:23--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (adamp2p @ 19 January 2004 - 22:23)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@19 January 2004 - 20:07
its the new 64bit chip by intel, like the athlon 64.
:) Sorry bigdawg, but that is just a rumor.

FWIK its a 90 nanometer microprocessor by Intel that uses a hell of a lot of wattage and has a 1 MB level two cache. I would write more right now but I am trying to finish this job for my boss. [/b][/quote]
What???? I&#39;ve thought that forever haha. Its not going to be 64bit?????? I thought thats what the new design was for...hm...

I have Artic Silver 3 and my temps are GREAT&#33;

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx+20 January 2004 - 20:53--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigdawgfoxx @ 20 January 2004 - 20:53)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by adamp2p@19 January 2004 - 22:23
<!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@19 January 2004 - 20:07
its the new 64bit chip by intel, like the athlon 64.
:) Sorry bigdawg, but that is just a rumor.

FWIK its a 90 nanometer microprocessor by Intel that uses a hell of a lot of wattage and has a 1 MB level two cache. I would write more right now but I am trying to finish this job for my boss.
What???? I&#39;ve thought that forever haha. Its not going to be 64bit?????? I thought thats what the new design was for...hm...

I have Artic Silver 3 and my temps are GREAT&#33; [/b][/quote]
from the reviews, i heard as3 is better than as5, but &#036;0.99 isn&#39;t bad at all for as5&#33; i prob gonna buy it

[abu_has_the_power]

UPDATE&#33;&#33;&#33;
These will most likely be the new prices for the stuff I&#39;m getting:
1. Thermaltake Highest Xaser III V1000D Super Tower for &#036;80-100 ish
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/doc2/interBbl.jpg
2. Either ASUS P4P800 DELUXE or ASUS P4C800 DELUXE for &#036;100-120 ish
3. Thermalright sp-94 or slk 947u with 92mm vantec tornado&#33;&#33; (slk 947u will be &#036;40. If i can find a good store who sells the sp94, i&#39;ll prob get it)
4. prob same ram.


anyone find any good reviews for the sp94 that compares it&#39;s performance to the other thermalright hs&#39;s?

[adamp2p]

Abu; what is the point in spending all of your money on a nice motherboard that you can OC to > 3.2GHz when your RAM cannot handle it?

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by adamp2p@22 January 2004 - 02:56
Abu; what is the point in spending all of your money on a nice motherboard that you can OC to > 3.2GHz when your RAM cannot handle it?
u must be talking bout the "prob same ram." part. I meant same ram as above (Corsair XMS PC3200)

[bigdawgfoxx]

So is the prescott going to be 64 bit or what??

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@22 January 2004 - 15:43
So is the prescott going to be 64 bit or what??
i don&#39;t think so.


anyways, should i get the sp94 or not?

[abu_has_the_power]

if i buy a oem case, what am i not getting? do i still get the spacers for the mobo?

[_John_Lennon_]

I might be wrong here, but I think you want higher Ram for your OCing.....

This isnt AMD ocing, its Intel.

Might want to look into some 3700 or 4000. :)

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by _John_Lennon_@22 January 2004 - 23:12
I might be wrong here, but I think you want higher Ram for your OCing.....

This isnt AMD ocing, its Intel.

Might want to look into some 3700 or 4000. :)
many ppl ocing pretty well with pc3200. pc4000 is a little too extreme. now, answer my case question. cuz i need to know tonite&#33;

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by _John_Lennon_@22 January 2004 - 20:12
I might be wrong here, but I think you want higher Ram for your OCing.....

This isnt AMD ocing, its Intel.

Might want to look into some 3700 or 4000. :)
Well I guess he could technically relax the timings a bit...

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@22 January 2004 - 12:43
So is the prescott going to be 64 bit or what??
Well, prescott might be. But that is not the real issue with prescott. The real issue is whether it will be able to even perform at the level of the Pentium 4 at equal clockspeeds.



Intel has confirmed that its &#39;Prescott&#39; processor features a long instruction pipeline than the current desktop Pentium 4. The announcement lends weight to media claims that the chip will run more slowly than its predecessor.

When Intel launched the P4, it upped the chip&#39;s pipeline to 20 stages, from ten. The move was widely criticised at the time because the greater the number of stages the more drastic the effect of pipeline stalls.

A stall takes place when the chip suddenly finds it has the wrong data. Sophisticated circuitry allows the chip to predict where a program is likely to take it and to pre-load and pre-process instructions that may be needed in the future. When it works, it keeps the processor fed with instructions, so it works more efficiently. When it goes wrong, the chip has to flush out the pipeline to rid itself of instructions and data it doesn&#39;t need.

And the longer the pipeline, the more pre-processed instructions and data have to be dumped before the chip can begin loading and handling the correct instructions.

Since pipeline stalls are inevitable, it might be sensible to limit the length of the pipeline. But longer pipelines are necessary to make ever higher clock frequencies operate efficiently. Ramp the clock speed high enough, and pipeline stalls and their repair take less time. That&#39;s what&#39;s happened as the P4 went beyond 3GHz - the kind of speed the 20-stage pipeline was designed for.

Other chip makers, less keen on offering as steep a clock frequency growth curve as Intel, can get away with shorter pipelines, but need other ways of boosting a chip&#39;s performance, such as the ability to handle multiple instructions at the same time.

An Intel spokesman this week told Cnet that Prescott has a longer pipeline that Northwood, the current, 130nm version of the P4. He wouldn&#39;t say how much longer the Prescott pipeline is, but 30 stages seems a reasonable estimate.

And just as the PIII proved faster than the early P4s in some applications, it&#39;s likely that Northwood will similarly prove faster than Prescott, which has clearly been designed for speeds of the order of 4GHz - which is what Intel&#39;s internal roadmaps suggest it&#39;s destined for by the end of this year.

Source: The register (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/35059.html)

[abu_has_the_power]

the prescott will have a 3.4 stock cpu. so u start out at 3.4

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@22 January 2004 - 20:44
the prescott will have a 3.4 stock cpu. so u start out at 3.4
No, abu, you don&#39;t get it, do you: The point is, Prescott clocked at 3.4 GHz and 1 MB L2 cache may not perform as well as a Northwood Pentium 4 also clocked at 3.4 GHz with 512 Kb L2 cache due to the fact that the Prescott with have an approximately 30 stage pipeline as opposed to the Pentium 4 which has a 20 stage pipeline.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by adamp2p+23 January 2004 - 02:58--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (adamp2p &#064; 23 January 2004 - 02:58)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@22 January 2004 - 20:44
the prescott will have a 3.4 stock cpu. so u start out at 3.4
No, abu, you don&#39;t get it, do you: The point is, Prescott clocked at 3.4 GHz and 1 MB L2 cache may not perform as well as a Northwood Pentium 4 also clocked at 3.4 GHz with 512 Kb L2 cache. [/b][/quote]
ok... wat don&#39;t i get? :wacko: :huh:

can somebody please fukin answer my question bout the oem case? I believe i pmed some of u. i need an answer tonite, so i can order the case tonite or tomorow morning

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power+23 January 2004 - 00:00--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (abu_has_the_power @ 23 January 2004 - 00:00)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by adamp2p@23 January 2004 - 02:58
<!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@22 January 2004 - 20:44
the prescott will have a 3.4 stock cpu. so u start out at 3.4
No, abu, you don&#39;t get it, do you: The point is, Prescott clocked at 3.4 GHz and 1 MB L2 cache may not perform as well as a Northwood Pentium 4 also clocked at 3.4 GHz with 512 Kb L2 cache.
ok... wat don&#39;t i get? :wacko: :huh: [/b][/quote]
Don&#39;t take it so personally, my friend. I just wanted to make sure that you understood what I meant. Did you get a chance to read the article? :)

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by adamp2p+23 January 2004 - 03:01--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (adamp2p @ 23 January 2004 - 03:01)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@23 January 2004 - 00:00

Originally posted by adamp2p@23 January 2004 - 02:58
<!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@22 January 2004 - 20:44
the prescott will have a 3.4 stock cpu. so u start out at 3.4
No, abu, you don&#39;t get it, do you: The point is, Prescott clocked at 3.4 GHz and 1 MB L2 cache may not perform as well as a Northwood Pentium 4 also clocked at 3.4 GHz with 512 Kb L2 cache.
ok... wat don&#39;t i get? :wacko: :huh:
Don&#39;t take it so personally, my friend. I just wanted to make sure that you understood what I meant. Did you get a chance to read the article? :) [/b][/quote]
Good point, i didn&#39;t get to read the article. but i read another one also talking bout the prescott cpu, and it said they&#39;re shipping out 3.4ghz cpus. i completely understand that they might not perform as well as a 3.4 with 512 L2 cache, but i was just saying that they&#39;ll have 3.4 ghz cpus.

please don&#39;t take me as an idiot. i may be dumb sometimes, but not all the time


now, ANSWER MY QUESTION BOUT THE FUKING OEM CASE&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; do i get the screws and little shit with the oem or not? If not, how the fuck am i supposed to put my mobo in there??&#33;?&#33;?&#33;? :angry: (abu turning green and naked&#33;)

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power+23 January 2004 - 00:00--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (abu_has_the_power &#064; 23 January 2004 - 00:00)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by adamp2p@23 January 2004 - 02:58
<!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@22 January 2004 - 20:44
the prescott will have a 3.4 stock cpu. so u start out at 3.4
No, abu, you don&#39;t get it, do you: The point is, Prescott clocked at 3.4 GHz and 1 MB L2 cache may not perform as well as a Northwood Pentium 4 also clocked at 3.4 GHz with 512 Kb L2 cache.
ok... wat don&#39;t i get? :wacko: :huh:

can somebody please fukin answer my question bout the oem case? I believe i pmed some of u. i need an answer tonite, so i can order the case tonite or tomorow morning [/b][/quote]
Abu, you should probably go to a different forum for that question.
This forum definately has its characters, and I have some good friends around here, :) but if I were you I would post your question at a more enthusiast site, like abxzone.com, or you mentioned once that you frequent overclockers.com.

Why don&#39;t you ask there? I am sure you will get a timely, informative response at abxzone.com or why don&#39;t you try xbitlabs.com? The folks there are super knoweldgeable and friendly (they know the answers to technical questions)...

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by adamp2p+23 January 2004 - 03:05--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (adamp2p @ 23 January 2004 - 03:05)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@23 January 2004 - 00:00

Originally posted by adamp2p@23 January 2004 - 02:58
<!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@22 January 2004 - 20:44
the prescott will have a 3.4 stock cpu. so u start out at 3.4
No, abu, you don&#39;t get it, do you: The point is, Prescott clocked at 3.4 GHz and 1 MB L2 cache may not perform as well as a Northwood Pentium 4 also clocked at 3.4 GHz with 512 Kb L2 cache.
ok... wat don&#39;t i get? :wacko: :huh:

can somebody please fukin answer my question bout the oem case? I believe i pmed some of u. i need an answer tonite, so i can order the case tonite or tomorow morning
Abu, you should probably go to a different forum for that question.
This forum definately has its characters, and I have some good friends around here, :) but if I were you I would post your question at a more enthusiast site, like abxzone.com, or you mentioned once that you frequent overclockers.com.

Why don&#39;t you ask there? I am sure you will get a timely, informative response at abxzone.com or why don&#39;t you try xbitlabs.com? The folks there are super knoweldgeable and friendly (they know the answers to technical questions)... [/b][/quote]
sory bout the yelling. i was getting a bit "hot". anyways, i figured it out. it comes with lots of screws and the spacers&#33;&#33; sweet&#33;&#33; i&#39;m buying this tomorow morning. it&#39;s 1:18 am over here.


It came with plenty of screws and motherboard risers but NO documentation. Everything is clearly marked though so this was not a big deal.
that&#39;s good enough for me. (it came from 1 of the reviews on newegg)

and sory again bout the yelling. i currently go to forums.extremeoverclocking.com for "this type" of question, sometimes. but they tend to be extremely slow to answer, mainly cuz they have so many categories.

[adamp2p]

Abu, what about the mobo? Are you still going to get that Asus?

And when are you ever going to learn how to spell WHAT?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by adamp2p@23 January 2004 - 03:41
Abu, what about the mobo? Are you still going to get that Asus?

And when are you ever going to learn how to spell WHAT?

:lol: :lol: :lol:
wat is easier. lol.

i&#39;m getting either the asus p4p800 deluxe or the p4c800-e deluxe. just waiting for the auction to end