R&b A Part Of Hiphop ?

[wbass]

who knows about it exactly? r&b is a separate style or belongs to hiphop? i have a lot of discusion about that at home right now, and we dont realy know :01: :rolleyes:

[4th gen]

it's quite a grey area, i'd say, especially with tracks such as 21 questions and the "Best of Both Worlds" Jay-Z & R Kelly album, but i'd say hip hop and r&b were different styles...

[Spider_dude]

the answer is simple. hip hop isn't a musical genre it is a way of life.

[4th gen]

Originally posted by Spider_dude@21 January 2004 - 16:59
the answer is simple. hip hop isn't a musical genre it is a way of life.
word

[wbass]

ye, i know, but ... r&b is a part of this or not?

[4th gen]

Originally posted by wbass@21 January 2004 - 17:07
ye, i know, but ... r&b is a part of this or not?
it's really a matter of personal opinion more than anything else...

there's no way to definitively whether r&b is a different style...

[3RA1N1AC]

i thought R&B is what used to be known as "soul."

and Rock & Roll was originally called "R&B." :lol:

i think hip-hop and R&B are two different things, but they've started using each other. R&B was getting boring so they added hip-hop parts to make it sound new and, well, more hip. and hip-hop has incorporated more rock, funk, and R&B in order to sound like "real" music (now it's all about producers & session players, instead of deejays scratching up disco/electro records).

[Afronaut]

Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC@22 January 2004 - 15:03
i thought R&B is what used to be known as "soul."

and Rock & Roll was originally called "R&B." :lol:

i think hip-hop and R&B are two different things, but they've started using each other. R&B was getting boring so they added hip-hop parts to make it sound new and, well, more hip. and hip-hop has incorporated more rock, funk, and R&B in order to sound like "real" music (now it's all about producers & session players, instead of deejays scratching up disco/electro records).
I thought R & B was about Rockabilly...

..oh well.

:cool2:

[Wizard_Mon1]

its not part of rap but there have always been collaborations between them,
hip hop seems to be less strickly defined because it is not clear what is classed as hip hop its difficult to make a defintion between it and r&b. example floetry could be considered hip hop so could insane clown posse totally different but both hh.

[3RA1N1AC]

Originally posted by Guitar-Slinger@22 January 2004 - 07:58
I thought R & B was about Rockabilly...
nah. other way around. rockabilly is about R & B. :cool2:

[god-of-rock]

I thought R & B was short for Rythm and Blues....

another question is: why does all theese rappers have to put their own name in the lyric, is that because all of that shit sounds the same, so ppl have to know wich artist they are listening to?

[Afronaut]

Originally posted by god-of-rock@24 January 2004 - 14:20
another question is: why does all theese rappers have to put their own name in the lyric, is that because all of that shit sounds the same, so ppl have to know wich artist they are listening to?
Good point...

However, i dont know the answer.

:cool2:

[oZone]

Rhythum and Blues is not a part of Hip Hop.

Hip Hop is a lifestyle and stands for more than just a mere genre.

[chitowng09]

R & B is pop + hip hop . Taking all the good things from both genres,

I personally like it, R & B singers have 500x more talent than britney nsync pink etc.... who are just garbage

[god-of-rock]

Originally posted by chitowng09@24 January 2004 - 15:28
R & B is pop + hip hop .
then what does the R and the B stand for?

[4th gen]

Originally posted by god&#045;of&#045;rock+24 January 2004 - 16:52--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (god-of-rock @ 24 January 2004 - 16:52)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-chitowng09@24 January 2004 - 15:28
R & B is pop + hip hop .
then what does the R and the B stand for? [/b][/quote]
Rhythm and Blues

[FuNkY CaPrIcOrN]

R&B:

Evolving out of jump blues in the late &#39;40s, R&B laid the groundwork for rock & roll. R&B kept the tempo and the drive of jump blues, but its instrumentation was sparer and the emphasis was on the song, not improvisation. It was blues chord changes played with an insistent backbeat. During the &#39;50s, R&B was dominated by vocalists like Ray Charles and Ruth Brown, as well as vocal groups like the Drifters and the Coasters. Eventually, R&B metamorphosed into soul, which was funkier and looser than the pile-driving rhythms of R&B.

Hip-Hop:

In the terminology of rap music, Hip-Hop usually refers to the culture — graffiti-spraying, breakdancing, and turntablism in addition to rapping itself — surrounding the music. As a style however, hip-hop refers to music created with those values in mind. Once rap had been around long enough to actually have a history, hip-hop groups began looking back to old-school figures including MCs like Kurtis Blow and Whodini, and DJs like Grandmaster Flash and Afrika Bambaataa. In fact, the latter&#39;s Zulu Nation collective sprang up in the late &#39;80s around two of the most notable hip-hop artists, De La Soul and A Tribe Called Quest. With rap music&#39;s mainstream breakout during the &#39;90s, dozens of hip-hop artists pointed the way back to the old school, including underground rappers like Mos Def and Pharoahe Monch.
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:P Taken from the Music Bible.End of Discussion&#33; :P

[Afronaut]

YaY

:lol:

Why didnt i think of that. Teh Bibleh.
Should i close the topic now ?

Nah, let the Kids, i mean People argue, i mean Debate over some more...
..oh well...

:P

Cheers:
:cool2:

[god-of-rock]

Originally posted by god&#045;of&#045;rock@24 January 2004 - 12:20
why does all theese rappers have to put their own name in the lyric, is that because all of that shit sounds the same, so ppl have to know wich artist they are listening to?
does anyone know?

[Desert Eagle]

I think hip hop influences R&B just like R&B influences hip hop. There are alot of collaborations where rappers have a R&B performer sing the hook to their song, or a singer will have a rapper to a verse at the end of their song. The problem is when singers try to rap or rappers try to sing. See Ja Rule.

[slick nick]

Originally posted by god&#045;of&#045;rock+24 January 2004 - 22:41--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (god-of-rock @ 24 January 2004 - 22:41)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-god&#045;of&#045;rock@24 January 2004 - 12:20
why does all theese rappers have to put their own name in the lyric, is that because all of that shit sounds the same, so ppl have to know wich artist they are listening to?
does anyone know? [/b][/quote]
if that&#39;s the case some death metal and punk bands ought to take a que and start doing that because many of those groups including goth and industrial for that matter sound the same. anyway bragging about yourself in ryhme has been apart of rap so you&#39;re the product and you say your name so people know who you are.
just like a commercial is about a product it&#39;s not going to never mention it&#39;s own name.

anyway r & b is definately it&#39;s own genre and not apart of hip hop. but since around 92 - 93 with mary j blige&#39;s collaboration with grand puba on what&#39;s the 411,
r &#39;n&#39; b artist have been been having rappers kick a verse on their songs or do the chorus or just plain sing over hip hop beats. they are still separate genres, not one being a sub genre of the other. asides of course hip hop being a culture. ;)

good point on icp. i&#39;m willing to say they are rap but not really hip hop. but the flys incubus, slipknot, limp bizkit, linkin park etc definately aren&#39;t hip hop.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by god&#045;of&#045;rock+24 January 2004 - 22:41--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (god-of-rock @ 24 January 2004 - 22:41)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-god&#045;of&#045;rock@24 January 2004 - 12:20
why does all theese rappers have to put their own name in the lyric, is that because all of that shit sounds the same, so ppl have to know wich artist they are listening to?
does anyone know? [/b][/quote]
Because we are self-promoting and have high egos. When you repeat our words you say our name. The same goes to why clothes designers put there name all over there clothes.
Are any of you from America?
Just curious.

[ZeroTolerance]

Originally posted by Busyman+27 January 2004 - 05:07--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman @ 27 January 2004 - 05:07)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by god&#045;of&#045;rock@24 January 2004 - 22:41
<!--QuoteBegin-god&#045;of&#045;rock@24 January 2004 - 12:20
why does all theese rappers have to put their own name in the lyric, is that because all of that shit sounds the same, so ppl have to know wich artist they are listening to?
does anyone know?
Because we are self-promoting and have high egos. When you repeat our words you say our name. The same goes to why clothes designers put there name all over there clothes.
Are any of you from America?
Just curious. [/b][/quote]
yea its kind of like marketing yourself by saying your name alot so you can bring in big bucks, Im from America

[Afronaut]

Im not from America.
I find it a tad Silly anyone repeating Him/Herself in a song, (one or few words, over and over again)
in fact, i find repeating rather irritating on Any Type of music,
not just vocals but anything in a song that just doesnt go anywhere abd keeps
kicking the same ruff. It is musically very poor.
;)

I dunno why but thats the way it is, for me.

. :)

:cool2:

[3RA1N1AC]

Originally posted by slick nick@26 January 2004 - 16:28
if that&#39;s the case some death metal and punk bands ought to take a que and start doing that
it&#39;s already been done.


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[Busyman]

Originally posted by Guitar&#045;Slinger@27 January 2004 - 10:55
Im not from America.
I find it a tad Silly anyone repeating Him/Herself in a song, (one or few words, over and over again)
in fact, i find repeating rather irritating on Any Type of music,
not just vocals but anything in a song that just doesnt go anywhere abd keeps
kicking the same ruff. It is musically very poor.
;)

I dunno why but thats the way it is, for me.

. :)

:cool2:
Then Hip-Hop is not for you my friend.

It is kicking ass on the charts though.
The biggest musical genre in America.

[3RA1N1AC]

lol, Busyman. nice signature pic. dave chappelle is friggin&#39; hilarious. i didn&#39;t see it till i checked your profile &#39;cos i have sigs disabled. :lol:

[slick nick]

good one 3rainiac. :lol: i was thinking more along the lines of simple plan and new found glory but damn that was funny&#33;

btw i&#39;m from america as well.