*new* Upgrading My Rig

[Dray_04]

:P howdie ppl,

can someone recommend a first class motherboard to go with my future radeon xt 9600Xt (or radeon 9800 pro).

my budget would be between $100 and $250 (max)

thankz

[Mad Cat]

What kind of dollars (USD, CAD)?

What processor you got?

[4th gen]

Personally I'd recommend an ASUS board, something like an A7N8X

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....y=BROWSE&depa=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-478&catalog=22&manufactory=BROWSE&depa=1)

[_John_Lennon_]

Originally posted by Mad Cat@23 January 2004 - 12:59
What kind of dollars (USD, CAD)?

What processor you got?
Look in his sig.


But btw, with 250, you can buy a 2500+, and still have 140 left over to buy a HIGH end motherboard.

Anyway, your budget still puts you on the High end of the market.

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....y=BROWSE&depa=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-136-138&catalog=22&manufactory=BROWSE&depa=1)

Thats the DFI Lan Party NFII ULTRA B.

Its top of the line, greatest of the overclocking boards in alot of people opinion, and for your extra buck you get alot of extras. I havnt met one person who dislikes their DFI's.

[Mad Cat]

Originally posted by _John_Lennon_+23 January 2004 - 18:30--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (_John_Lennon_ @ 23 January 2004 - 18:30)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mad Cat@23 January 2004 - 12:59
What kind of dollars (USD, CAD)?

What processor you got?
Look in his sig. [/b][/quote]
Sorry.


What kinds of dollars?

Go for an nForce 2 motherboard.

[abu_has_the_power]

*new* Upgrading My Rig
u could have just called it upgrading my pc or upgrading my box or something. ;) :P :lol:


get an asus or abit

[bigdawgfoxx]

Does that mean you can spend up to &#036;250 on a mobo, or is that for the mobo AND the graphics card?..The ASUS A7N8X-E deluxe is very good. The DFI lanparty also is.

[Dray_04]

Originally posted by _John_Lennon_+24 January 2004 - 06:30--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (_John_Lennon_ @ 24 January 2004 - 06:30)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mad Cat@23 January 2004 - 12:59
What kind of dollars (USD, CAD)?

What processor you got?
Look in his sig.


But btw, with 250, you can buy a 2500+, and still have 140 left over to buy a HIGH end motherboard.

Anyway, your budget still puts you on the High end of the market.

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....y=BROWSE&depa=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-136-138&catalog=22&manufactory=BROWSE&depa=1)

Thats the DFI Lan Party NFII ULTRA B.

Its top of the line, greatest of the overclocking boards in alot of people opinion, and for your extra buck you get alot of extras. I havnt met one person who dislikes their DFI&#39;s. [/b][/quote]
thanks dude, ill look into it.

for all those who dont know yet, im a NZ&#39;der so its in NZ money (obviously)

but try not to think about the money (bout &#036;200 US anyway)

i cant buy anything from newegg i dont think, but ill take the names of the cards you guys suggested and ill have a look at sum online stores here in NZ

cheers :P

[bigdawgfoxx]

I would get the ASUS board 4th gen recommended, or the non deluxe version if you dont need SATA and RAID. The DFI is cool...but why the hell would you make the board look cool and black..and put LIME GREEN slots on there...maybe there UV or something..but still lol

[Dray_04]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@24 January 2004 - 15:01
I would get the ASUS board 4th gen recommended, or the non deluxe version if you dont need SATA and RAID. The DFI is cool...but why the hell would you make the board look cool and black..and put LIME GREEN slots on there...maybe there UV or something..but still lol
quick questions

1) wot does RAID and SATA stand for and wot do they mean? (sorry, newbie when it comes to motherboards)

2) this Asus mobo (http://www.ascent.co.nz/mn-product-spec.asp?pid=120173) (deluxe) is &#036;312.73 NZ (dont worry bout the price in terms of US/CN &#036;&#036;) (its about &#036;200-&#036;250 US)

is that a good mobo, will it last me a long time? what the difference between the deluxe Asus A7N8X-E and just the normal Asus A7N8X-E?

[bigdawgfoxx]

:o &#036;200-250 USD?&#33;?&#33;&#33; For that..hmm we get that for like &#036;120 over here...and what is socket 462??...Guessing socket A and socket 462 are the same thing...if thats &#036;200USD then thats HIGH.

RAID and SATA are harddrive things. They are both very good...specially when combined :o , but basicly..there good to have. :)

[DWk]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@23 January 2004 - 20:38
RAID and SATA are harddrive things.&nbsp; They are both very good...specially when combined :o , but basicly..there good to have. :)
Nice job man....next time actually try to explain SOMETHING. <_<


Serial ATA (Serial Advanced Technology Attachment or SATA) is a new standard for connecting hard drives into computer systems. As its name implies, SATA is based on serial signaling technology, unlike current IDE (Integrated Drive Electronics) hard drives that use parallel signaling.
SATA has several practical advantages over the parallel signaling (also called Parallel ATA or PATA) that has been used in hard drives since the 1980s. SATA cables are more flexible, thinner, and less massive than the ribbon cables required for conventional PATA hard drives. SATA cables can be considerably longer than PATA ribbon cables, allowing the designer more latitude in the physical layout of a system. Because there are fewer conductors (only 7 in SATA as compared with 40 in PATA), crosstalk and electromagnetic interference (EMI) are less likely to be troublesome. The signal voltage is much lower as well (250 mV for SATA as compared with 5 V for PATA).

source (http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci911952,00.html)


RAID (redundant array of independent disks; originally redundant array of inexpensive disks) is a way of storing the same data in different places (thus, redundantly) on multiple hard disks. By placing data on multiple disks, I/O operations can overlap in a balanced way, improving performance. Since multiple disks increases the mean time between failure (MTBF), storing data redundantly also increases fault-tolerance.
A RAID appears to the operating system to be a single logical hard disk. RAID employs the technique of striping, which involves partitioning each drive&#39;s storage space into units ranging from a sector (512 bytes) up to several megabytes. The stripes of all the disks are interleaved and addressed in order.

In a single-user system where large records, such as medical or other scientific images, are stored, the stripes are typically set up to be small (perhaps 512 bytes) so that a single record spans all disks and can be accessed quickly by reading all disks at the same time.

In a multi-user system, better performance requires establishing a stripe wide enough to hold the typical or maximum size record. This allows overlapped disk I/O across drives.

There are at least nine types of RAID plus a non-redundant array (RAID-0):

RAID-0. This technique has striping but no redundancy of data. It offers the best performance but no fault-tolerance.
RAID-1. This type is also known as disk mirroring and consists of at least two drives that duplicate the storage of data. There is no striping. Read performance is improved since either disk can be read at the same time. Write performance is the same as for single disk storage. RAID-1 provides the best performance and the best fault-tolerance in a multi-user system.
RAID-2. This type uses striping across disks with some disks storing error checking and correcting (ECC) information. It has no advantage over RAID-3.
RAID-3. This type uses striping and dedicates one drive to storing parity information. The embedded error checking (ECC) information is used to detect errors. Data recovery is accomplished by calculating the exclusive OR (XOR) of the information recorded on the other drives. Since an I/O operation addresses all drives at the same time, RAID-3 cannot overlap I/O. For this reason, RAID-3 is best for single-user systems with long record applications.
RAID-4. This type uses large stripes, which means you can read records from any single drive. This allows you to take advantage of overlapped I/O for read operations. Since all write operations have to update the parity drive, no I/O overlapping is possible. RAID-4 offers no advantage over RAID-5.
RAID-5. This type includes a rotating parity array, thus addressing the write limitation in RAID-4. Thus, all read and write operations can be overlapped. RAID-5 stores parity information but not redundant data (but parity information can be used to reconstruct data). RAID-5 requires at least three and usually five disks for the array. It&#39;s best for multi-user systems in which performance is not critical or which do few write operations.
RAID-6. This type is similar to RAID-5 but includes a second parity scheme that is distributed across different drives and thus offers extremely high fault- and drive-failure tolerance. There are few or no commercial examples currently.
RAID-7. This type includes a real-time embedded operating system as a controller, caching via a high-speed bus, and other characteristics of a stand-alone computer. One vendor offers this system.
RAID-10. This type offers an array of stripes in which each stripe is a RAID-1 array of drives. This offers higher performance than RAID-1 but at much higher cost.
RAID-53. This type offers an array of stripes in which each stripe is a RAID-3 array of disks. This offers higher performance than RAID-3 but at much higher cost.

Source (http://searchstorage.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid5_gci214332,00.html)

I hope that&#39;s enough :)

[Dray_04]

nice man :lol:

[DWk]

Anytime :)

[bigdawgfoxx]

DWK remains the biggest bitch on the forum

You could have just posted ur info without flaming at mine cuz you dont start fights...ur a bitch

[Dray_04]

lol yer that was pretty mean,

but then again that was pretty harsh to call him a bitch...

..now now girls settle down :lol:

[_John_Lennon_]

Originally posted by dray_02@23 January 2004 - 23:52
lol yer that was pretty mean,

but then again that was pretty harsh to call him a bitch...

..now now girls settle down :lol:
250NZD = 168.025 USD

Just converted.

Of course, it will probably end up us having to settle for a place&#39;s product, not a product&#39;s place, if you guys know what I mean, because of the lower selection of Computer stuff in new zealand, that, and they dont have Newegg.

[Dray_04]

yer it really sucks in NZ,

hardware is expensive, as is broadband, because thers not too many ppl over here. (just over 4,000,000 wahoo)

thats why i would rewally love to buy hardware from overseas

[DWk]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@23 January 2004 - 21:44
DWK remains the biggest bitch on the forum

You could have just posted ur info without flaming at mine cuz you dont start fights...ur a bitch
Unlike your reply, mine is a constructive criticism. I&#39;m actually showing you one of the many ways in which you can actually help a person (this would be by posting useful info).

As usual, you call me a bitch, an a**hole, whatever you want. :smilie4: