Do You Believe In God? [Archive]

hobbes

01-25-2004, 01:09 AM

The BBC aired a show today that showed that we don't even "see" what we see.

They took a group of 20 adults and asked them to watch a video of 6 basketball players doing a passing drill. 3 were wearing black uniforms, 3 were wearing yellow uniforms. They were told to count the number of passes made by the players in yellow and ignore the passes by the players in black.

Midway through the video and man in an ape suit walked between the players, beat his chest then walked of screen, the video then stopped.

When asked if anyone saw anything unusual only 4 of 20 raised their hands.

The video was played again with no instructions and everyone starting gasping at missing the ape the first time.

The point was that the mind can only process so much information at once, and for those things we are not actively working on, we make assumptions of what we are seeing based on experience, and are not actually "seeing " what is there.

As the viewer you laugh, knowing for sure you would have seen the ape. The announcer then gets the apeman and says to the TV, "Does he look familiar to you?"

They then rewind the show pausing at all the times they had placed the ape in the backround, but in plain sight. I imagine most people were a little shocked.

To answer the question- NO.

Aaron_T

01-25-2004, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by Mad Cat+24 January 2004 - 23:58--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mad Cat @ 24 January 2004 - 23:58)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Azzz@25 January 2004 - 00:54
<!--QuoteBegin-DWk@24 January 2004 - 23:50
I don't. However, I don't discard the idea. I believe what I see :)

I believe in humans' potential and that is all I believe.
the funny thing is that same policy applies to me BUT i do believe in ghosts as i have seen one
Tell me, how do you know it was a ghost? [/b][/quote]
well here's the story :(

I was in my room getting ready about 3 years ago now, i glanced out of my bedroom, at first i saw a large black shadow which covered the top of my stairs, then i saw a silhouette of an old man walking into my bathroom, i know it was because there werent any other old men in my house at that time, ive moved now though. :)

DWk

01-25-2004, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by Azzz+24 January 2004 - 18:10--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Azzz @ 24 January 2004 - 18:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Mad Cat@24 January 2004 - 23:58

Originally posted by Azzz@25 January 2004 - 00:54
<!--QuoteBegin-DWk@24 January 2004 - 23:50
I don't. However, I don't discard the idea. I believe what I see :)

I believe in humans' potential and that is all I believe.
the funny thing is that same policy applies to me BUT i do believe in ghosts as i have seen one
Tell me, how do you know it was a ghost?
well here's the story :(

I was in my room getting ready about 3 years ago now, i glanced out of my bedroom, at first i saw a large black shadow which covered the top of my stairs, then i saw a silhouette of an old man walking into my bathroom, i know it was because there werent any other old men in my house at that time, ive moved now though. :) [/b][/quote]
Moved.... bla bla bla.

Sorry but that "ghost" doesn't look so real ;) :ghostface:

Mad Cat

01-25-2004, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by Azzz+25 January 2004 - 01:10--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Azzz @ 25 January 2004 - 01:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Mad Cat@24 January 2004 - 23:58

Originally posted by Azzz@25 January 2004 - 00:54
<!--QuoteBegin-DWk@24 January 2004 - 23:50
I don't. However, I don't discard the idea. I believe what I see :)

I believe in humans' potential and that is all I believe.
the funny thing is that same policy applies to me BUT i do believe in ghosts as i have seen one
Tell me, how do you know it was a ghost?
well here's the story :(

I was in my room getting ready about 3 years ago now, i glanced out of my bedroom, at first i saw a large black shadow which covered the top of my stairs, then i saw a silhouette of an old man walking into my bathroom, i know it was because there werent any other old men in my house at that time, ive moved now though. :) [/b][/quote]
A silhoutte of an old man?

What, can you see the wrinkles making shadows or something?

Aaron_T

01-25-2004, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by DWk+25 January 2004 - 00:18--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DWk @ 25 January 2004 - 00:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Azzz@24 January 2004 - 18:10

Originally posted by Mad Cat@24 January 2004 - 23:58

Originally posted by Azzz@25 January 2004 - 00:54
<!--QuoteBegin-DWk@24 January 2004 - 23:50
I don't. However, I don't discard the idea. I believe what I see :)

I believe in humans' potential and that is all I believe.
the funny thing is that same policy applies to me BUT i do believe in ghosts as i have seen one
Tell me, how do you know it was a ghost?
well here's the story :(

I was in my room getting ready about 3 years ago now, i glanced out of my bedroom, at first i saw a large black shadow which covered the top of my stairs, then i saw a silhouette of an old man walking into my bathroom, i know it was because there werent any other old men in my house at that time, ive moved now though. :)
Moved.... bla bla bla.

Sorry but that "ghost" doesn't look so real ;) :ghostface: [/b][/quote]
well, believe what you want but i saw what i saw and im sticking to it, have you ever had a strange expiereince of that sort?

Mad Cat

01-25-2004, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by Azzz+25 January 2004 - 01:20--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Azzz @ 25 January 2004 - 01:20)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by DWk@25 January 2004 - 00:18

Originally posted by Azzz@24 January 2004 - 18:10

Originally posted by Mad Cat@24 January 2004 - 23:58

Originally posted by Azzz@25 January 2004 - 00:54
<!--QuoteBegin-DWk@24 January 2004 - 23:50
I don't. However, I don't discard the idea. I believe what I see :)

I believe in humans' potential and that is all I believe.
the funny thing is that same policy applies to me BUT i do believe in ghosts as i have seen one
Tell me, how do you know it was a ghost?
well here's the story :(

I was in my room getting ready about 3 years ago now, i glanced out of my bedroom, at first i saw a large black shadow which covered the top of my stairs, then i saw a silhouette of an old man walking into my bathroom, i know it was because there werent any other old men in my house at that time, ive moved now though. :)
Moved.... bla bla bla.

Sorry but that "ghost" doesn't look so real ;) :ghostface:
well, believe what you want but i saw what i saw and im sticking to it, have you ever had a strange expiereince of that sort? [/b][/quote]
A silhoutte of an old man?

What, can you see the wrinkles making shadows or something?

Or did he have a walking stick?

If it was just a shadow how did you know it was a man?

Aaron_T

01-25-2004, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by Mad Cat+25 January 2004 - 00:19--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mad Cat @ 25 January 2004 - 00:19)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Azzz@25 January 2004 - 01:10

Originally posted by Mad Cat@24 January 2004 - 23:58

Originally posted by Azzz@25 January 2004 - 00:54
<!--QuoteBegin-DWk@24 January 2004 - 23:50
I don't. However, I don't discard the idea. I believe what I see :)

I believe in humans' potential and that is all I believe.
the funny thing is that same policy applies to me BUT i do believe in ghosts as i have seen one
Tell me, how do you know it was a ghost?
well here's the story :(

I was in my room getting ready about 3 years ago now, i glanced out of my bedroom, at first i saw a large black shadow which covered the top of my stairs, then i saw a silhouette of an old man walking into my bathroom, i know it was because there werent any other old men in my house at that time, ive moved now though. :)
A silhoutte of an old man?

What, can you see the wrinkles making shadows or something? [/b][/quote]
sorry silhouete is a bad choice of word, imeant a glimpse of an old man

Mad Cat

01-25-2004, 01:24 AM

Eat any strange mushrooms that day?

DWk

01-25-2004, 01:27 AM

Lol no shit.

Silhoutte or shadow? Hmm....I never thought ghosts made shadows :o

Mad Cat

01-25-2004, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by DWk@25 January 2004 - 01:27
Lol no shit.

Silhoutte or shadow? Hmm....I never thought ghosts made shadows :o
Get on MSN!

And good point :P

DWk

01-25-2004, 01:33 AM

:angry: Fecking MSN disconnecting all day on me.... I think MS are making changes on servers or something :angry:

Mad Cat

01-25-2004, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by DWk@25 January 2004 - 01:33
:angry: Fecking MSN disconnecting all day on me.... I think MS are making changes on servers or something :angry:
Works fine for me :blink:

Aaron_T

01-25-2004, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by DWk@25 January 2004 - 00:33
:angry: Fecking MSN disconnecting all day on me.... I think MS are making changes on servers or something :angry:
ditto

internet.news

01-25-2004, 01:43 AM

Originally posted by Mad Cat@25 January 2004 - 00:33

Works fine for me :blink:
ditto

Aaron_T

01-25-2004, 01:49 AM

Originally posted by samsamsamsam+25 January 2004 - 00:43--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (samsamsamsam @ 25 January 2004 - 00:43)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mad Cat@25 January 2004 - 00:33

Works fine for me  :blink:
ditto [/b][/quote]
ditto, mine's workin OK now

Mad Cat

01-25-2004, 01:55 AM

Anyway Azzz, about this ghost. What was it dressed like?

Aaron_T

01-25-2004, 01:57 AM

Originally posted by Mad Cat@25 January 2004 - 00:55
Anyway Azzz, about this ghost. What was it dressed like?
old grey clothes

Mad Cat

01-25-2004, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by Azzz+25 January 2004 - 01:57--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Azzz @ 25 January 2004 - 01:57)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mad Cat@25 January 2004 - 00:55
Anyway Azzz, about this ghost. What was it dressed like?
old gay clothes [/b][/quote]
Do gay clothes come in grey !? :blink: :blink:

DWk

01-25-2004, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by Azzz+24 January 2004 - 18:57--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Azzz @ 24 January 2004 - 18:57)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mad Cat@25 January 2004 - 00:55
Anyway Azzz, about this ghost. What was it dressed like?
old grey clothes [/b][/quote]
Really? I thought ghosts where red, black, or green <_<

Askjeevesbot

01-25-2004, 02:01 AM

i do not believe in god

Aaron_T

01-25-2004, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by Askjeevesbot@25 January 2004 - 01:01
i do not believe in god
why?

Aaron_T

01-25-2004, 02:04 AM

OK you guys can just piss off if youre gonna tease, i know what i saw.

im not in the mood for being clever

Mad Cat

01-25-2004, 02:05 AM

Originally posted by Azzz@25 January 2004 - 02:04
OK you guys can just piss off if youre gonna tease, i know what i saw.

im not in the mood for being clever
You know what you saw, but do you know what was actually there?

Askjeevesbot

01-25-2004, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by Azzz+25 January 2004 - 02:02--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Azzz @ 25 January 2004 - 02:02)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Askjeevesbot@25 January 2004 - 01:01
i do not believe in god
why? [/b][/quote]
i don't because people like you exzist many of them too

Aaron_T

01-25-2004, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by Askjeevesbot+25 January 2004 - 01:06--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Askjeevesbot @ 25 January 2004 - 01:06)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Azzz@25 January 2004 - 02:02
<!--QuoteBegin-Askjeevesbot@25 January 2004 - 01:01
i do not believe in god
why?
i don't because people like you exzist many of them too [/b][/quote]
what is that meant to say, in English

Mobas

01-25-2004, 04:46 AM

Yes, I believe in God.

I guess that since I was a child I just took it by faith that God existed. Of course I also had believed in Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny. Later as I got older I really had to look at and examine my faith when I was confronted with the possibilities of other religions, and the arguments of evolution. After intense study, I came to the conclusion that God did exist... at least to me he did. Others with less evidence in their own lives may think differently then I do. But Even though others may not believe the same way I do, I don't have anykind of hate or
dislike towards them. I respect others rights to believe what they want. I have known many people that I considered to be friends that were atheist or into buddhism or judaism. We had no problem with each other. We learned to accept each other, and not let our differances of opinion get in the way of our friendships.

I think one reason that really convinces me of who God is, and that He exist is the many times he has answered my prayers. For example... I remember when my dad was hooked on cigarettes (My dad smoked continually 40+ years). He
could not go very long without smoking. He tried so hard to quit. He would start getting the shakes if he went too long (a day or two) without a smoke. It was tough. The second hand smoke was starting to get me sick. Even though he tried
to quit many times over the years, it never lasted more then a few days. He would always be back in that old rut again. I remember when I went to my aunts house. I had remembered what Jesus had said in Bible about praying for others. I figured I had nothing to lose, so my aunt and me both layed hands on my father, and asked God in Jesus name to deliver him from the cigarettes. There was no lightning from heaven, no earthquake or any other sign or proof that our prayer had been heard by God. So my dad and I went home forgot about it. Btw, my dad is not even a christian, he thought the whole prayer thing was a waste of time, and just a bunch of siiliness (He was like... ok, come on, get it over with). Well, several days later my dad wasn't smoking anymore, and I asked him about it. He told me that he woke up during the night wanting a cigarette (that was the same day we had prayed for him), but inside he was feeling like maybe he should try one more time to stop. So he went back to bed without having a smoke. After that he had no more desire to smoke. He didn't want to tell me about the quitting because the previous times he tried to quit...it always ended up in failure with him going back to his old habit. Well, he handed me all his cigarette packs, and told me to get rid of them. He said he felt differant, and he didn't think he would need them anymore. Well, he was right. As of now, he has been free of cigarettes for over 4 years with no shakes or anything. I truly believe that God, the God of
the Bible answered my prayer that day. Many more amazing things have followed since then that has brought my faith to a point were there is no doubt in my mind that God does live, and he has the power to answer prayers.

I figure that If he He didn't exist, then he wouldn't be abe to answer... since He would not exist.

For those of you that are sincere and would like to know if this could be true, but are skeptical... All you have to do is ask Him yourself. when you go to bed tonight say something like this....

"God if you are real, and you really did send your son Jesus 2000 years ago on earth, then please reveal yourself to me in my life, so that I can see this is not just a bunch of silliness".

If you can have enough faith to mean those words from your heart, then I believe He will answer you.

Trying to convince or prove the existence of God to someone that refuses to accept the possiblity of God's existence is a waste of time. Every individual must seek the evidence for God's existence, and determine for themselves if that
evidence is enough for them to believe on His existence. I have found in my own life that He does exist.

NOTE: To all who disagree with me; Please respect the rules of this forum by not flaming.

chalice

01-25-2004, 04:48 AM

To answer the original question...nope.

But I'm open to suggestions.

FatBastard

01-25-2004, 04:58 AM

I find it incredible that someone could believe that a god, who allowed 105,000,000 people to be killed by war and genocide in the 20th century alone, would step in and stop someone from smoking. It beggars belief! :frusty:

No, l don't believe in gods. l don't believe in magic either.

chalice

01-25-2004, 05:02 AM

Busyman

01-25-2004, 05:04 AM

Yes I believe in God.

Why does plant life breathe out oxygen and we breathe it in (and vice versa)?
Why does a sperm cell and an egg make a baby?

An intelligent being or God had to set something like that in motion to begin with.
To relegate the thought that things are the way they are because "that's the way it is" plain lackadaisical and/or unintelligent.

ZeroTolerance

01-25-2004, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by FatBastard@25 January 2004 - 04:58
I find it incredible that someone could believe that a god, who allowed 105,000,000 people to be killed by war and genocide in the 20th century alone, would step in and stop someone from smoking. It beggars belief! :frusty:

No, l don't believe in gods. l don't believe in magic either.
:) God dont kill people . people kill people. It may be bad to kill somebody but at the end of all this God will make you understand why people die and its a know fact that everybody thats living is going to die sometime soon either its by war or by stray bullets or natural causes its called LIFE. Just because alot of people die doesnt mean that God is not real. Just think about it , lets say your going to die of old age right and your 110yrs old do that mean God is not real becaudsew your going to die of old age if so you have a narrow mind and need to open up your mind to disover new boundaries in your life. :)

FatBastard

01-25-2004, 05:12 AM

Originally posted by ZeroTolerance@25 January 2004 - 14:04
:) God dont kill people . people kill people. It may be bad to kill somebody but at the end of all this God will make you understand why people die and its a know fact that everybody thats living is going to die sometime soon either its by war or by stray bullets or natural causes its called LIFE. Just because alot of people die doesnt mean that God is not real. Just think about it , lets say your going to die of old age right and your 110yrs old do that mean God is not real becaudsew your going to die of old age if so you have a narrow mind and need to open up your mind to disover new boundaries in your life. :)
Are you on something? If you don't understand the point of my post, and you obviously don't, get someone to explain it to you.

hobbes

01-25-2004, 05:24 AM

Originally posted by FatBastatrd @ 24 January 2004 - 17:12
I find it incredible that someone could believe that a god, who allowed 105,000,000 people to be killed by war and genocide in the 20th century alone, would step in and stop someone from smoking. It beggars belief! :frusty:

No, l don't believe in gods. l don't believe in magic either.

You madam, are a baffling lady. Must be the result of one to many headers during your soccer (as I believe the British dubbed it) days. ;)

And "no", I do not.

chalice

01-25-2004, 05:27 AM

Originally posted by hobbes+25 January 2004 - 05:24--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes @ 25 January 2004 - 05:24)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-FatBastatrd @ 24 January 2004 - 17:12
I find it incredible that someone could believe that a god, who allowed 105,000,000 people to be killed by war and genocide in the 20th century alone, would step in and stop someone from smoking. It beggars belief! :frusty:

No, l don't believe in gods. l don't believe in magic either.

You madam, are a baffling lady. Must be the result of one to many headers during your soccer (as I believe the British dubbed it) days. ;)

And "no", I do no not. [/b][/quote]
I really must take time out of my precious seconds to read this thread sometime.

ZeroTolerance

01-25-2004, 05:31 AM

Originally posted by FatBastard+25 January 2004 - 05:12--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FatBastard @ 25 January 2004 - 05:12)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-ZeroTolerance@25 January 2004 - 14:04
:) God dont kill people . people kill people. It may be bad to kill somebody but at the end of all this God will make you understand why people die and its a know fact that everybody thats living is going to die sometime soon either its by war or by stray bullets or natural causes its called LIFE. Just because alot of people die doesnt mean that God is not real. Just think about it , lets say your going to die of old age right and your 110yrs old do that mean God is not real becaudsew your going to die of old age if so you have a narrow mind and need to open up your mind to disover new boundaries in your life. :)
Are you on something? If you don't understand the point of my post, and you obviously don't, get someone to explain it to you. [/b][/quote]
i would tell you to stfu and go to hell but since this is a sensitive topic im going to let you slide you FatBastard :D

FatBastard

01-25-2004, 05:31 AM

Originally posted by Hobbes
You madam, are a baffling lady. Must be the result of one to many headers during your soccer (as I believe the British dubbed it) days.

Touché. :smoke:

hobbes

01-25-2004, 05:32 AM

Originally posted by ZeroTolerance+25 January 2004 - 06:31--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ZeroTolerance @ 25 January 2004 - 06:31)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by FatBastard@25 January 2004 - 05:12
<!--QuoteBegin-ZeroTolerance@25 January 2004 - 14:04
:) God dont kill people . people kill people. It may be bad to kill somebody but at the end of all this God will make you understand why people die and its a know fact that everybody thats living is going to die sometime soon either its by war or by stray bullets or natural causes its called LIFE. Just because alot of people die doesnt mean that God is not real. Just think about it , lets say your going to die of old age right and your 110yrs old do that mean God is not real becaudsew your going to die of old age if so you have a narrow mind and need to open up your mind to disover new boundaries in your life. :)
Are you on something? If you don't understand the point of my post, and you obviously don't, get someone to explain it to you.
i would tell you to stfu and go to hell but since this is a sensitive topic im going to let you slide you FatBastard :D [/b][/quote]
Then change your name, you hypocrite :lol:

ZeroTolerance

01-25-2004, 05:36 AM

Originally posted by hobbes+25 January 2004 - 05:32--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes @ 25 January 2004 - 05:32)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by ZeroTolerance@25 January 2004 - 06:31

Originally posted by FatBastard@25 January 2004 - 05:12
<!--QuoteBegin-ZeroTolerance@25 January 2004 - 14:04
:) God dont kill people . people kill people. It may be bad to kill somebody but at the end of all this God will make you understand why people die and its a know fact that everybody thats living is going to die sometime soon either its by war or by stray bullets or natural causes its called LIFE. Just because alot of people die doesnt mean that God is not real. Just think about it , lets say your going to die of old age right and your 110yrs old do that mean God is not real becaudsew your going to die of old age if so you have a narrow mind and need to open up your mind to disover new boundaries in your life. :)
Are you on something? If you don't understand the point of my post, and you obviously don't, get someone to explain it to you.
i would tell you to stfu and go to hell but since this is a sensitive topic im going to let you slide you FatBastard :D
Then change your name, you hypocrite :lol: [/b][/quote]
you shut up i said this is a sensitive topic and i will not flame this topic and this make me a hypocrite? haha your dumber than i though your was :lol: :lol:

chalice

01-25-2004, 05:38 AM

Yeah, Hobbes, what's with you being so dumb, huh?

Huh?

Huh? (printer 'huh' him on down there 'til the ink runs out)

hobbes

01-25-2004, 05:45 AM

I am currently working on a PHD in "irony" via a web-based virtual University.

Since the thread actually recovered itself and I have knocked it astray:

I find that the creation of a more complex entity to explain the existence of our universe only defers the question to: What created God?

I know the standard answer given, he has always been, but I that makes no sense to me.

chalice

01-25-2004, 05:51 AM

Originally posted by hobbes@25 January 2004 - 05:45
I am currently working on a PHD in "irony" via a web-based virtual University.

Since the thread actually recovered itself and I have knocked it astray:

I find that the creation of a more complex entity to explain the existence of our universe only defers the question to: What created God?

I know the standard answer given, he has always been, but I that makes no sense to me.
Huh?

Honestly, though, haven't we discussed this already? I thught we'd already decided the fate and origin of the Universe. Where were they, Hobbes?

evildon

01-25-2004, 07:22 AM

I have answered this in another thread...

God...well yes and no..A all-knowing supernatural caring loving being?

No

Some strange enigmatic unable to ever comprehend understand truly communicate with alien super powerful force that could never have emotions or thought processes like ours? Yes

I have give a longer drawn out reasoning behind this in the other thread and if I felt you really wanted it re-posted here i would...

ED

FatBastard

01-25-2004, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by evildon@25 January 2004 - 16:22
I have give a longer drawn out reasoning behind this in the other thread and if I felt you really wanted it re-posted here i would...

No thanx. :lol:

Evil Gemini

01-25-2004, 07:35 AM

I will paste my answer from the other thread.

Maybe their was a god along time ago when the human race was still young and needed some guidance. He has disappeared because he can see that we have doctors that can heal, we have scientists that can find cures for illnesses, we have have boats and planes to get across the sea, etc etc so their is no more need for god anymore.

Maybe he whent off to start a new race and its a big plan to see if we can contact this other race.

anyone else have a far out theory ?

Arm

01-25-2004, 07:37 AM

FatBastard

01-25-2004, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by Evil Gemini@25 January 2004 - 16:35
anyone else have a far out theory ?
Nope. That was pretty far out man, l can't compete with that, l'll just chill. :)

Arm

01-25-2004, 07:51 AM

Originally posted by FatBastard+25 January 2004 - 07:50--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FatBastard @ 25 January 2004 - 07:50)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Evil Gemini@25 January 2004 - 16:35
anyone else have a far out theory ? [/b][/quote]
B) I am God.

evildon

01-25-2004, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by FatBastard+25 January 2004 - 07:29--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FatBastard @ 25 January 2004 - 07:29)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-evildon@25 January 2004 - 16:22
I have give a longer drawn out reasoning behind this in the other thread and if I felt you really wanted it re-posted here i would...

No thanx. :lol: [/b][/quote]
no prob

hobbes

01-25-2004, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by FatBastard+25 January 2004 - 08:50--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FatBastard @ 25 January 2004 - 08:50)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Evil Gemini@25 January 2004 - 16:35
anyone else have a far out theory ?
Nope. That was pretty far out man, l can't compete with that, l'll just chill. :) [/b][/quote]
Honey, you'd better do more than just chill. How about a nice salad and some exercise.

I'm not saying that your gaining weight, but it does appear that your avatar has exceeded its bandwidth.

:lol:

you may be able to see your avatar, but it is a "red x" to the rest of us.

evildon

01-25-2004, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by Evil Gemini@25 January 2004 - 07:35
I will paste my answer from the other thread.

Maybe their was a god along time ago when the human race was still young and needed some guidance. He has disappeared because he can see that we have doctors that can heal, we have scientists that can find cures for illnesses, we have have boats and planes to get across the sea, etc etc so their is no more need for god anymore.

Maybe he whent off to start a new race and its a big plan to see if we can contact this other race.

anyone else have a far out theory ?
yes..but have been posted elsewhere...and I understand no need to repost same over and over...

FatBastard

01-25-2004, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by hobbes@25 January 2004 - 14:45
I find that the creation of a more complex entity to explain the existence of our universe only defers the question to: What created God?

Maybe there's a *Super God*, one who makes ordinary, everyday, universe creating gods.

He could be timeless; a sort of oroborus like, circular Time Lord, with no beginning or end.

Or maybe it's a load of bollocks. :lol:

FatBastard

01-25-2004, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by hobbes@25 January 2004 - 16:52
you may be able to see your avatar, but it is a "red x" to the rest of us.
How's that? Can you see it now? ;)

DivineBeingX

01-25-2004, 08:02 AM

one reason why people dont believe in Gods is because they think that their is a timeline or a plot or storyline a beginning and a end , a start and a finish. Human was to believe that if you are created something had to create me. God is so power he created his self hard to believe but true. :)

FatBastard

01-25-2004, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by DivineBeingX@25 January 2004 - 17:02
.... hard to believe but true. :)
No, impossible to believe, and an opinion. :)

hobbes

01-25-2004, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by FatBastard+25 January 2004 - 09:02--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FatBastard @ 25 January 2004 - 09:02)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@25 January 2004 - 16:52
you may be able to see your avatar, but it is a "red x" to the rest of us.
How's that? Can you see it now? ;)
[/b][/quote]
Yep, visible again, now let's work on that face!

Divine, I am a bit unsettled that you are talking about yourself in the 3rd person.

Mystikan

01-25-2004, 10:11 AM

I believe that the Universe is at least partly the work of an deliberate intelligence. It exhibits too much order and linear behaviour to have come into existence by random chance. However, I have no way of understanding or defining such an intelligence, so I'm not even going to try. As to the "God" depicted in the Bible, the Koran, etc, this being was invented by storytellers as a way of answering childrens' unanswerable questions. ( "Dad, why is the sky blue?" "Because God made it that colour." "Who is God?" "A big, tough man in the sky who'll spank your ass if you don't stop asking silly questions!" ) Then it was used by powermongers as a means of controlling the masses. This "God" does not exist any more than does Big Brother or Emmanuel Goldstein. As to a Universal Creator, the only possible answer is, I don't know. Based on what I've observed and learned about the Universe, I think there is intelligence behind it, but I can't prove it one way or the other. What I am sure of, is that any such intelligence would have no more awareness or interest in us and our sordid little world, than you would have in the 3rd electron of the 487,256,385th atom from the end of the 148,756th skin cell below your right index fingernail. Any religion that claims otherwise is therefore pure bullshit.

shn

01-25-2004, 10:20 AM

http://server5.uploadit.org/files/shn2150-god.jpg

And all othershttp://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/a0/dckix.gif

Keikan

01-25-2004, 10:55 AM

No but I believe in next lifes and past lifes

bigboab

01-25-2004, 11:08 AM

I wont believe anything until they dissect a Quark and understand what it is all about. I have been trying to help them with this experiment. I was down the woods this morning with a butterfly net try to capture neutrinos for them. I cant understand why they keep getting away. :(

shn

01-25-2004, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by bigboab@25 January 2004 - 05:08
I wont believe anything until they dissect a Quark and understand what it is all about. I have been trying to help them with this experiment. I was down the woods this morning with a butterfly net try to capture neutrinos for them. I cant understand why they keep getting away. :(
huh? :o

FatBastard

01-25-2004, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by bigboab@25 January 2004 - 20:08
I wont believe anything until they dissect a Quark and understand what it is all about. I have been trying to help them with this experiment. I was down the woods this morning with a butterfly net try to capture neutrinos for them. I cant understand why they keep getting away. :(
Did you use the right bait? l hear they're partial to maggots. ;)

shn

01-25-2004, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by FatBastard+25 January 2004 - 06:10--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FatBastard @ 25 January 2004 - 06:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-bigboab@25 January 2004 - 20:08
I wont believe anything until they dissect a Quark and understand what it is all about. I have been trying to help them with this experiment. I was down the woods this morning with a butterfly net try to capture neutrinos for them. I cant understand why they keep getting away. :(
Did you use the right bait? l hear they're partial to maggots. ;)[/b][/quote]
What are maggots? :huh:

nevermind..................sounds disgusting.http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/g/blobfir.gif

tralalala

01-25-2004, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by Azzz@25 January 2004 - 02:45
give reason's personally i don't september 11th is an example of why i dont believe in god
:o what the hell has that got to do with it??? :o :o :o :o

i believe in god, i believe in those little miracles that just happen, and, as a practicing jew, i am supposed to believe in god :lol: :lol:

tralalala

shn

01-25-2004, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by tralalala+25 January 2004 - 06:27--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tralalala @ 25 January 2004 - 06:27)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Azzz@25 January 2004 - 02:45
give reason's personally i don't september 11th is an example of why i dont believe in god
:o what the hell has that got to do with it??? :o :o :o :o

i believe in god, i believe in those little miracles that just happen, and, as a practicing jew, i am supposed to believe in god :lol: :lol:

tralalala [/b][/quote]
Is it against the jewish religion to marry a catholic or christian? :huh:

My friend had to break off her marriage because her dad said she couldnt marry a jewish guy. :(

tralalala

01-25-2004, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by shn+25 January 2004 - 14:34--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shn @ 25 January 2004 - 14:34)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by tralalala@25 January 2004 - 06:27
<!--QuoteBegin-Azzz@25 January 2004 - 02:45
give reason's personally i don't september 11th is an example of why i dont believe in god
:o what the hell has that got to do with it??? :o :o :o :o

i believe in god, i believe in those little miracles that just happen, and, as a practicing jew, i am supposed to believe in god :lol: :lol:

tralalala
Is it against the jewish religion to marry a catholic or christian? :huh:

My friend had to break off her marriage because her dad said she couldnt marry a jewish guy. :( [/b][/quote]
well, you SHOULDNT marry a christian or a person of any other religion... but my aunt is married to a catholic...

tralalala

Aaron_T

01-25-2004, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by tralalala+25 January 2004 - 11:27--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tralalala @ 25 January 2004 - 11:27)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Azzz@25 January 2004 - 02:45
give reason's personally i don't september 11th is an example of why i dont believe in god
:o what the hell has that got to do with it??? :o :o :o :o

i believe in god, i believe in those little miracles that just happen, and, as a practicing jew, i am supposed to believe in god :lol: :lol:

tralalala [/b][/quote]
well, i believe a GOOD god would have found a way to stop that disaster happening.

maybe there is a god and maybe he is EVIL

think about it, it is possible

Azzz B)

Mr. Mulder

01-25-2004, 01:32 PM

I do not believe in God, but I understand why others do :)

Aaron_T

01-25-2004, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Arcadia@25 January 2004 - 12:32
I do not believe in God, but I understand why others do :)
me too :)

DWk

01-25-2004, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by Azzz@25 January 2004 - 06:17
well, i believe a GOOD god would have found a way to stop that disaster happening.
Uhhhh if there is a God, and he is so "good", why would he make a world as screwed up as it is (specially if he gave human free will). Free will fucked the world. But free will rules :01:

tralalala

01-25-2004, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by Azzz+25 January 2004 - 15:17--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Azzz @ 25 January 2004 - 15:17)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by tralalala@25 January 2004 - 11:27
<!--QuoteBegin-Azzz@25 January 2004 - 02:45
give reason's personally i don't september 11th is an example of why i dont believe in god
:o what the hell has that got to do with it??? :o :o :o :o

i believe in god, i believe in those little miracles that just happen, and, as a practicing jew, i am supposed to believe in god :lol: :lol:

tralalala
well, i believe a GOOD god would have found a way to stop that disaster happening.

maybe there is a god and maybe he is EVIL

think about it, it is possible

Azzz B) [/b][/quote]
maybe it was a sign from god? maybe it was supposed totell us something? think of it

tralalala

Aaron_T

01-25-2004, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by tralalala+25 January 2004 - 13:48--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tralalala @ 25 January 2004 - 13:48)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Azzz@25 January 2004 - 15:17

Originally posted by tralalala@25 January 2004 - 11:27
<!--QuoteBegin-Azzz@25 January 2004 - 02:45
give reason's personally i don't september 11th is an example of why i dont believe in god
:o what the hell has that got to do with it??? :o :o :o :o

i believe in god, i believe in those little miracles that just happen, and, as a practicing jew, i am supposed to believe in god :lol: :lol:

tralalala
well, i believe a GOOD god would have found a way to stop that disaster happening.

maybe there is a god and maybe he is EVIL

think about it, it is possible

Azzz B)
maybe it was a sign from god? maybe it was supposed totell us something? think of it

tralalala [/b][/quote]
we can speculate all we want but were never gonna come up with reason's or explanation's we should just quit while were ahead :lol: :lol: :lol:

FatBastard

01-25-2004, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by tralalala@25 January 2004 - 23:48
maybe it was a sign from god? maybe it was supposed totell us something? think of it

OK, so this god of yours wants to tell us something. So he gets people to highjack four airliners and crash them into buildings. What is that? A clue? How many letters? :frusty:

UKMan

01-25-2004, 04:10 PM

IF there is a God and IF what the (Christian) scriptures say is true, then he gave men/women a free will to do as they pleased, even lining out the consequences if we did wrong, so therefore i cannot understand why everyone blames God for what we ourselves have instigated - even suffereing throughout the world is ultimately of our own doing, we have the means to put it right, but greedy governments and politicians are stopping it, not God.

Peace
UKMan

internet.news

01-25-2004, 04:16 PM

I believe it's all predetermined in that in the same way if you know the initial conditions and momentum etc.. of a moving object in space you can predict every moment after concerning it.

The universe is just a much more sophisticated version. Even the illusion of free will falls into this as the decisions we make are based on our experience in the world, our psychology,biology, and physiology - all predetermined. This does not rule out the possibility of a god (or source of it all) but it just shakes off the intervention side of it.

I think Einsteins clock maker anology fits into this (but havn't read much on that).

The thing that gets me is that however much science and philosophy can explain things - even if the lot was eventually explained - it could easily all not have happened = nothingness all round.

god-of-rock

01-25-2004, 06:02 PM

Everybody has some kind of belief, I guess
Maybe mankind needs something bigger to get through the dayz....
as for me, I know that Heavy Metal lives
and that it will at last stand forth upon the dust
That I myself shall see
My own ears not another's shall behold it
and from my flesh I shall see it rock
My inmost being is consumed with longing

-This is the word of the rocker...

DivineBeingX

01-25-2004, 06:16 PM

all you who dont believe in God would regret it one day and that day is judgement day. Heads would be marked with the mark of the beast 666. The save will rise into heaven and shall be everlasting .

Aaron_T

01-25-2004, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by DivineBeingX@25 January 2004 - 17:16
all you who dont believe in God would regret it one day and that day is judgement day. Heads would be marked with the mark of the beast 666. The save will rise into heaven and shall be everlasting .
OK i'll take your word for it.

infamousalbo101

01-25-2004, 06:36 PM

Yes I believe in God

Aaron_T

01-25-2004, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by infamousalbo101@25 January 2004 - 17:36
Yes I believe in God
any partickler reason?

infamousalbo101

01-25-2004, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by Azzz+25 January 2004 - 14:39--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Azzz @ 25 January 2004 - 14:39)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-infamousalbo101@25 January 2004 - 17:36
Yes I believe in God
any partickler reason? [/b][/quote]
Yes

DivineBeingX

01-25-2004, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by Azzz+25 January 2004 - 18:28--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Azzz @ 25 January 2004 - 18:28)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-DivineBeingX@25 January 2004 - 17:16
all you who dont believe in God would  regret it one day and that day is judgement day.  Heads would be marked with the mark of the beast 666.  The save will rise into heaven and shall be everlasting .
OK i'll take your word for it. [/b][/quote]
you better :)

Aaron_T

01-25-2004, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by infamousalbo101+25 January 2004 - 17:40--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (infamousalbo101 @ 25 January 2004 - 17:40)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Azzz@25 January 2004 - 14:39
<!--QuoteBegin-infamousalbo101@25 January 2004 - 17:36
Yes I believe in God
any partickler reason?
Yes [/b][/quote]
what?

infamousalbo101

01-25-2004, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by Azzz+25 January 2004 - 14:41--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Azzz @ 25 January 2004 - 14:41)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by infamousalbo101@25 January 2004 - 17:40

Originally posted by Azzz@25 January 2004 - 14:39
<!--QuoteBegin-infamousalbo101@25 January 2004 - 17:36
Yes I believe in God
any partickler reason?
Yes
what? [/b][/quote]
Well a few things

Like my grandfather had been diegnosed with Cancer and they said he was gonna die in a few months so I preyed everynight (im muslim By the way) because my mom and sister wanted to visit him becuase they havent seen him in 2 years (He lives in europe) they didnt have a chance to because all flights were booked for a few months so finally they went I preyed everynight that he would stay alive for them to see him because i Hadd visited him a few weeks before he was diEgnosed so they went visited him he was very ill so my preys were answerd but 2 days after he left he died

DWk

01-25-2004, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by DivineBeingX@25 January 2004 - 11:16
all you who dont believe in God would regret it one day and that day is judgement day. Heads would be marked with the mark of the beast 666. The save will rise into heaven and shall be everlasting .
Figures <_<

Judgement Day already went by....didn't you fucking see TERMINATOR?!?!!?

Ignorant people :nono: :frusty:

infamousalbo101

01-25-2004, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by DWk+25 January 2004 - 15:18--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DWk @ 25 January 2004 - 15:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-DivineBeingX@25 January 2004 - 11:16
all you who dont believe in God would  regret it one day and that day is judgement day.  Heads would be marked with the mark of the beast 666.  The save will rise into heaven and shall be everlasting .
Figures <_<

Judgement Day already went by....didn't you fucking see TERMINATOR?!?!!?

Ignorant people :nono: :frusty: [/b][/quote]
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :P

tralalala

01-25-2004, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by DivineBeingX@25 January 2004 - 20:16
all you who dont believe in God would regret it one day and that day is judgement day. Heads would be marked with the mark of the beast 666. The save will rise into heaven and shall be everlasting .
people that dont believe in god theoretically dont believe in judgement day either!!

tralalala

Knight Rider

01-25-2004, 07:46 PM

I don't believe in god.
I was created by people.

Michael is my owner.

Aaron_T

01-25-2004, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by tralalala+25 January 2004 - 18:44--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tralalala @ 25 January 2004 - 18:44)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-DivineBeingX@25 January 2004 - 20:16
all you who dont believe in God would  regret it one day and that day is judgement day.  Heads would be marked with the mark of the beast 666.  The save will rise into heaven and shall be everlasting .
people that dont believe in god theoretically dont believe in judgement day either!!

tralalala [/b][/quote]
to true!

tralalala

01-25-2004, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Azzz+25 January 2004 - 22:30--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Azzz @ 25 January 2004 - 22:30)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by tralalala@25 January 2004 - 18:44
<!--QuoteBegin-DivineBeingX@25 January 2004 - 20:16
all you who dont believe in God would regret it one day and that day is judgement day. Heads would be marked with the mark of the beast 666. The save will rise into heaven and shall be everlasting .
people that dont believe in god theoretically dont believe in judgement day either!!

tralalala
to true! [/b][/quote]
:D thanks mate... i always knew i could make at least one person on this board KNOW i was right... :rolleyes: B)

tralalala

Aaron_T

01-25-2004, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by tralalala+25 January 2004 - 19:35--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tralalala @ 25 January 2004 - 19:35)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Azzz@25 January 2004 - 22:30

Originally posted by tralalala@25 January 2004 - 18:44
<!--QuoteBegin-DivineBeingX@25 January 2004 - 20:16
all you who dont believe in God would regret it one day and that day is judgement day. Heads would be marked with the mark of the beast 666. The save will rise into heaven and shall be everlasting .
people that dont believe in god theoretically dont believe in judgement day either!!

tralalala
to true!
:D thanks mate... i always knew i could make at least one person on this board KNOW i was right... :rolleyes: B)

tralalala [/b][/quote]
maybe youre not right maybe youre LEFT i disagree :lol: :lol: :lol:

Aaron_T

01-25-2004, 11:12 PM

well everyone in conclusion more people dont beleieve in god, than the people who do.

DivineBeingX

01-25-2004, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by Azzz@25 January 2004 - 23:12
well everyone in conclusion more people dont beleieve in god, than the people who do.
who said majority rules?

Biggles

01-25-2004, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by DivineBeingX+25 January 2004 - 23:16--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DivineBeingX @ 25 January 2004 - 23:16)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Azzz@25 January 2004 - 23:12
well everyone in conclusion more people dont beleieve in god, than the people who do.
who said majority rules? [/b][/quote]
I think they took a vote on it. :D

Aaron_T

01-25-2004, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by Biggles+25 January 2004 - 22:23--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Biggles @ 25 January 2004 - 22:23)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by DivineBeingX@25 January 2004 - 23:16
<!--QuoteBegin-Azzz@25 January 2004 - 23:12
well everyone in conclusion more people dont beleieve in god, than the people who do.
who said majority rules?
I think they took a vote on it. :D [/b][/quote]
dont start :lol:

FunkyDawg76

01-26-2004, 03:30 AM

I believe in God. God is Da Bomb!

evildon

01-26-2004, 06:28 AM

Fat bastard said for me not to post what i have already covered in the other thread about this...

But dammit we are covering the same bases again...

Free will:We dont have it....emotions override your choices and by definition you don't choose your emotional response..IE you dont choose whom to fall in love with etc...Fate and luck and chance bugger up free will everytime..your Id, ego(some people here should know all about that) and your superEgo? whatever its called bolloxs up your freewill to no end.... and living in linear time without the ability to look ahead and see how your choices are affected by others buggers it up even more...(just saw Butterfly Effect)

I have already covered my different theories on god mythos..and all...the fact that we could be the Meek in revelations..they inheirt the earth..but nowhere does it say that God has anything to do with them after they get it....

If God is all that the Bible and others say...
God doesnt have emotions..not love nor hate like we would think..his big picture is..just too large to understand...he might protect a Hitler if that is part of his plan...his plan being to create another Him..or to have our race evolve into another Him..

you have just as much chance to understand him as an ameoba(sp) would have to understanding and comprehending us..we should be even more further apart then that intellectually to Him...

By my other theories he created the multiverse as a clock(Einstein believed this) and made it where it ran itself without his intervention...set up all the physical laws..by the equal and oppisite force law..u hafta have pain to offset pleasure cant have one without the other..the Bible even compares bad things to the weather its random and without purpose..The rain falls on the rightenous and the unrighteous alike(sp!)....

Sorry cant really worship something like that...fear him..study things to see how this experiment is supposed to go maybe...not to mention how much of the entire mythos has been cluttered up by man trying to fathom the unfathomable...and writing it down as Gospel...

ED

Mystikan

01-26-2004, 09:41 AM

God doesnt have emotions..not love nor hate like we would think..his big picture is..just too large to understand...he might protect a Hitler if that is part of his plan...his plan being to create another Him..or to have our race evolve into another Him..

Absolutely! All life seeks to replicate itself as a fundamental function of its existence - so as public class TCreator: class TLife in TUniverse.cpp, it follows that any such creator would seek to replicate itself.

you have just as much chance to understand him as an ameoba(sp) would have to understanding and comprehending us..we should be even more further apart then that intellectually to Him...

It's good to see other ppl realising this obvious fact. This is the reverse corollary to my earlier statement about the Creator not being aware or interested in us or our world.

maybe there is a god and maybe he is EVIL

What a concept! Now, consider this as a new-wave religion: Let's call it the First Ecumenical Church of Evil God. Its doctrine is simple: God is an evil and sadistic being who made sure that life here would be as miserable as possible, and to that end established the cruel and insensitive principles of COMPETITION and DARWINIAN EVOLUTION to ensure all life would fight against itself. Our mission as evangelists of the FECEG is to go against the will of God and fight It with all the resources of our power. How? By BEING NICE to each other and HELPING our fellow beings instead of obeying God's will and fighting and destroying each other. Down with Evil God! Brothers and Sisters, let us join hands and stuff Evil God over by making Its Universe a nice place to live instead of the Hell Evil God created it to be! Anybody wanna join? :lol: :lol: :lol:

evildon

01-26-2004, 02:20 PM

Sounds better than most other orginized religions

[URL=http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/]

tralalala

01-26-2004, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by Azzz+25 January 2004 - 22:38--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Azzz @ 25 January 2004 - 22:38)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by tralalala@25 January 2004 - 19:35

Originally posted by Azzz@25 January 2004 - 22:30

Originally posted by tralalala@25 January 2004 - 18:44
<!--QuoteBegin-DivineBeingX@25 January 2004 - 20:16
all you who dont believe in God would regret it one day and that day is judgement day. Heads would be marked with the mark of the beast 666. The save will rise into heaven and shall be everlasting .
people that dont believe in god theoretically dont believe in judgement day either!!

tralalala
to true!
:D thanks mate... i always knew i could make at least one person on this board KNOW i was right... :rolleyes: B)

tralalala
maybe youre not right maybe youre LEFT i disagree :lol: :lol: :lol: [/b][/quote]
lol, then in that case il take my thank you back!! :(

tralalala

FatBastard

01-26-2004, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by evildon@26 January 2004 - 15:28
Fat bastard said for me not to post what i have already covered in the other thread about this...

But dammit we are covering the same bases again...

The reason l asked you not to post it was because it was bollocks the first time round. l see, on it's second posting, that nothing has changed. :)

Aaron_T

01-26-2004, 06:11 PM

Ok people stop the bickering this is supposed to be a spiritual thread :lol:

Gemby!

01-26-2004, 06:13 PM

im not sure - im young i can get away with not being sure...you could say im finding myself but thats sorta kinky and im not gonna go into that

that comment was also kinda kinky :P

i think im going to shut up now b4 my comments get worse

RGX

01-26-2004, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by gemby!@26 January 2004 - 18:13
im not sure - im young i can get away with not being sure...you could say im finding myself but thats sorta kinky and im not gonna go into that

that comment was also kinda kinky :P

i think im going to shut up now b4 my comments get worse
:lol:

Pitbul

01-26-2004, 06:51 PM

Do You Believe In God?

Yes i do, but i dont not judge one person by their belief and i expect them to do the same to me.

Aaron_T

01-26-2004, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by Pitbul@26 January 2004 - 17:51

Do You Believe In God?

Yes i do, but i dont not judge one person by their belief and i expect them to do the same to me.
i dont believe in your SIG :lol:

sir waffle

01-27-2004, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by DWk@25 January 2004 - 00:50
I don't. However, I don't discard the idea. I believe what I see :)

I believe in humans' potential and that is all I believe.
same here i belive it when i see it, Ghosts included

DoctorOctagon

01-27-2004, 05:52 PM

All those who do not believe will perish in the depth's of hell. :devil:

Yogi

01-27-2004, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by DoctorOctagon@27 January 2004 - 19:52
All those who do not believe will perish in the depth's of hell. :devil:
That's a relieve......

Thank you!!

Yogi-HellIsWhereAllTheFunPeopleGo!!

evildon

01-29-2004, 04:11 AM

Originally posted by FatBastard+26 January 2004 - 17:20--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FatBastard @ 26 January 2004 - 17:20)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-evildon@26 January 2004 - 15:28
Fat bastard said for me not to post what i have already covered in the other thread about this...

But dammit we are covering the same bases again...

The reason l asked you not to post it was because it was bollocks the first time round. l see, on it's second posting, that nothing has changed. :) [/b][/quote]
Why is it Bollocks exactly?

I mean I don't claim that anyones faith in God is bllocks...its not for me to say...why even have a topic like this that is so open to debate and wild diverse opinons if everyone has the attitude"Well i don't agree with you so dont post..."

Or I think your wrong so dont post?..should i clear all my posts about what i believe god to be with someone else or the majority before i post?should everyone do that?..wow talk about a boring place and world that would be...

I agree that this is one area that you are gonna get different veiws that vary WILDLY just because of its subject matter..and nothing is gonna really come of it other then it might make you look hard at your own faith or lack of it....no one is gonna be converted or anything but it could strengthen your belief or make you realize that some of your beliefs arent yours but given to you by your parents or social group...

seiya_33

02-28-2004, 02:35 AM

well i dont believe anything written in the bilbe , but who or what was at the very begining of it all , well i believe in a creator , just dont know who he is .

bujub22

02-28-2004, 09:01 AM

i believe there is a god jus can't see him , the bible is jus wrong ! and i believe in ghost cuz ive seen 1 too!

bigboab

02-28-2004, 09:07 AM

I think you have seen more spirits than ghosts. :lol:

bujub22

02-28-2004, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by bigboab@28 February 2004 - 05:07
I think you have seen more spirits than ghosts. :lol:
<_<

Marius24

02-28-2004, 03:25 PM

I BELIEVE

lynx

02-28-2004, 03:46 PM

A more important question is:

Does God believe in you?

Agrajag

02-28-2004, 03:57 PM

I believe in God, basically because we have been formally introduced. I have to say I expected her to be taller.

Marius24

02-28-2004, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by lynx@28 February 2004 - 14:46
A more important question is:

Does God believe in you?
I hope so :unsure:

fugley

02-28-2004, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by Marius24+28 February 2004 - 17:46--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Marius24 @ 28 February 2004 - 17:46)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-lynx@28 February 2004 - 14:46
A more important question is:

Does God believe in you?
I hope so :unsure: [/b][/quote]
he just said some shit bout even the best makin mistakes and warned me to keep a low profile.

:blink:

bujub22

02-28-2004, 06:03 PM

http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/T-Shirts/ronuf/weed.gif

Aaron_T

02-28-2004, 10:33 PM

wow

this thread is a blast from the past :o

bujub22

02-28-2004, 11:13 PM

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god don't like ugly?

has anyone else ever heard that before?

kaiweiler

02-29-2004, 12:06 AM

If god exists (which I dont believe he does) where the hell is he? He is not in the sky, no people in planes have seen him, he is not here one earth, as nobody has seen him to prove he is real
and for those who say he is everywhere, scientists have proven that everything is made up of matter, something made of matter can not occupy the entire earth, and since this is a fact...

where the hell is this guy you people call "god"

Also if god were real I am sure he would not allow churches/religious buildings to be burned to the ground and wars between countries and millions of people dying

And the theory of god making adam, and then adam making eve from a rib is physically impossible. one, how can a human being come from a single bone? two, why would adam get the idea to take out one of his ribs in the first place? three, how did he do so? did he just cut himself open? if so he would most likely blead to death.

Another thing, religious people are against incest, yet they believe the entire population derived from two people...oddisn't it?

internet.news

02-29-2004, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by kaiweiler@28 February 2004 - 23:06
how can a human being come from a single bone?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

DanB

02-29-2004, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by samsamsamsam+29 February 2004 - 01:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (samsamsamsam @ 29 February 2004 - 01:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-kaiweiler@28 February 2004 - 23:06
how can a human being come from a single bone?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: [/b][/quote]
Have your mummy and daddy not told you about the birds and the bees? :lol: :lol: :lol:

George Jr. Bush

02-29-2004, 12:17 AM

I only believe in myself and my reerection :lol: :lol: :lol: ...election, sorry.

God bless America and my holy ass.

Aaron_T

03-23-2004, 01:40 PM

do any of the new members? :)

bigboab

03-23-2004, 01:45 PM

I am a free thinker. I will think for you free. :rolleyes:

jazzthefunk

03-23-2004, 03:53 PM

Gnostic is theword!http://img40.photobucket.com/albums/v122/jazzthefunk/tn_jesus2-Jesus-Jesus-7_0307-1715-4240.gif
http://img40.photobucket.com/albums/v122/jazzthefunk/wonderpost.jpg

:smoke:

Sid Hartha

03-23-2004, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by kaiweiler@29 February 2004 - 00:06
If god exists (which I dont believe he does) where the hell is he? He is not in the sky, no people in planes have seen him, he is not here one earth, as nobody has seen him to prove he is real
and for those who say he is everywhere, scientists have proven that everything is made up of matter, something made of matter can not occupy the entire earth, and since this is a fact...

where the hell is this guy you people call "god"

Also if god were real I am sure he would not allow churches/religious buildings to be burned to the ground and wars between countries and millions of people dying

And the theory of god making adam, and then adam making eve from a rib is physically impossible. one, how can a human being come from a single bone? two, why would adam get the idea to take out one of his ribs in the first place? three, how did he do so? did he just cut himself open? if so he would most likely blead to death.

Another thing, religious people are against incest, yet they believe the entire population derived from two people...oddisn't it?
Maybe God isn't a guy. Or a thing for that matter.

I don't believe in "God" as it is defined by Judeao-Christian religions. Even the term "God" seems preposterous, implying it's a thing that can be defined or quantified.

To me the real question is more basic: is the universe (and life as we know it) just a random occurence with no purpose or was it willed by a force (or forces) that we can't see or comprehend?

Of course there is no real answer to this. :lol: The only thing I know is that nobody knows.

B.Helto

03-23-2004, 04:09 PM

GOD SAYS NO!

jazzthefunk

03-23-2004, 04:40 PM

God is a constant presence in my life :smoke:
http://img40.photobucket.com/albums/v122/jazzthefunk/ALF_bunny.jpg

Neo 721

03-23-2004, 05:57 PM

In short No he has made no attept to show himself and it is unlikley he ever will

{I}{K}{E}

03-23-2004, 06:04 PM

I dont believe in god,
also I dont believe that the stories in the bible are true....

jazzthefunk

03-23-2004, 08:26 PM

So little faith! How do you people with no faith find a reason! I respect anybodys faith even if that is atheist, a very viable standpoint. What is the aim of life then, why do we bother? i look for the hidden teachings between the different faiths, the discourses and correlations between the houses of god is where the play is staged. Alot of people blame faith for war but th@'s religion and is political in motive. There is a common ground for all of us and th@ is with god!

:smoke: here's to God :beerchug:

http://img40.photobucket.com/albums/v122/jazzthefunk/splash_buddha-pict.jpg

Skweeky

03-23-2004, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by {I}{K}{E}@23 March 2004 - 18:04
also I dont believe that the stories in the bible are true....
I think taking those stories seriously is a mistake too many people make. They are indeed just stories, although most of them are based on some sort of historical fact. They each contain an ethical lesson and that is the way they should be read.

bujub22

03-23-2004, 08:40 PM

http://www.boffensive.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000034/imaginarylg.jpg

jazzthefunk

03-23-2004, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by bujub22@23 March 2004 - 20:40
http://www.boffensive.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000034/imaginarylg.jpg
Not a Rasta then bujub

Jah not on the same menu as your Image Resized
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Falconetti

03-23-2004, 08:56 PM

Do you beleive in god?

Good question, personally I do beleive in god, that there`s some higher power residing over us, been raised that way. I also beleive that our lifes and the paths that we take in them are predetermined. Were living them out, in this cirle of life.

bujub22

03-23-2004, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by jazzthefunk+23 March 2004 - 16:49--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jazzthefunk @ 23 March 2004 - 16:49)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bujub22@23 March 2004 - 20:40
http://www.boffensive.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000034/imaginarylg.jpg
Not a Rasta then bujub

Jah not on the same menu as your Image Resized
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:D nope but i do love budda :unsure: :D B) :ph34r:

Sid Hartha

03-23-2004, 09:47 PM

http://www.chinkii.com/uploads/album/misc/ftlchurchsign.jpg

bujub22

03-23-2004, 10:07 PM

http://kenny.smoovenet.com/grabpics/mole.gif

your god is a sweet pussy!......... spit!!!

Skweeky

03-24-2004, 12:09 PM

To answer the question:

This may surprise some of you; but yes, I do.
I can't really explain why though :huh:

bigboab

03-24-2004, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by Skweeky@24 March 2004 - 12:09
To answer the question:

This may surprise some of you; but yes, I do.
I can't really explain why though :huh:
Then dont bloody confuse me. :blink: Silly woman. :rolleyes:

Skweeky

03-24-2004, 12:13 PM

How did I confuse you? :huh:

bigboab

03-24-2004, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by Skweeky@24 March 2004 - 12:13
How did I confuse you? :huh:
I am easily confused Squeeky. :rolleyes:

Skweeky

03-24-2004, 12:18 PM

Oh, that's ok then I guess :huh:

bigboab

03-24-2004, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by Skweeky@24 March 2004 - 12:18
Oh, that's ok then I guess :huh:
No it is not ok. :ph34r: You will have to explain to me why you believe in the existence of God, when you dont know why you believe it. :) There you are. I am off till late tonight. That will give you something to think about. :lol: :lol:

Skweeky

03-24-2004, 12:26 PM

I can't really explain it...I know it's irrational.
I've been brought up catholic, went to a strict catholic school, was an acolyte for a few years...Partly it's because of my education I guess, the other part is that I believe there is something bigger than us. It's some sort of gut feeling really

Yogi

03-24-2004, 12:30 PM

I believe in myself.

Strongest force i can imagine.

That and serendipity.

Yallod

sir waffle

03-24-2004, 12:44 PM

Mr. Mulder

03-24-2004, 02:32 PM

Nope :)

Lamsey

03-24-2004, 02:35 PM

Nope :)

RGX

03-24-2004, 02:51 PM

Yes. :)

DanB

03-24-2004, 02:53 PM

No :)

Energizer_God

03-24-2004, 03:28 PM

Believing in God should not be the question

But believing in religions that cause wars, hatred to fellow humans, or molesting young boys.

for example religion tells us to love fellow man, but yet we have wars over religion

who in there right mind would believe in that.

I believe in let everyone practice thier own faith and in peace and love to all (but don't get caught)

Aaron_T

03-24-2004, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by Energizer_God@24 March 2004 - 14:28
Believing in God should not be the question

But believing in religions that cause wars, hatred to fellow humans, or molesting young boys.

for example religion tells us to love fellow man, but yet we have wars over religion

who in there right mind would believe in that.

I believe in let everyone practice thier own faith and in peace and love to all (but don't get caught)
:blink:

internet.news

03-24-2004, 07:44 PM

Do You Believe In God?
depends what you mean by "God"

thewizeard

03-24-2004, 08:55 PM

I think the question should be rephrased,.."Does God believe in us?" :)

Aaron_T

03-25-2004, 12:36 AM

thats already been said

thewizeard

03-25-2004, 01:02 AM

Well that just proves two things...

1. I had not read the complete thread...
2. Great minds think alike...

:lol:

jazzthefunk

03-25-2004, 02:35 PM

The Most Beautiful Names belong to Allah: so call on Him by them; but avoid such men that use profanity in His names: for what they do they will soon be requited.

[Quran: Al Aaraf Chapter 7]

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:smoke:

Yogi

03-25-2004, 03:11 PM

The Most Beautiful Names belong to Allah

Duh!!

He's got at least 99 names............

Yogi

jazzthefunk

03-25-2004, 03:18 PM

Exactly many to choose from and to avoid in a hateful context :smoke:
why not love god what have you got to loose, pergatory? :smoke:

http://img40.photobucket.com/albums/v122/jazzthefunk/tn_jesus2-Jesus-Jesus-7_0307-1715-4240.gif

Yogi

03-25-2004, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by jazzthefunk@25 March 2004 - 17:18
Exactly  many to choose from and to avoid in a hateful context :smoke:
why not love god what have you got to loose, pergatory?  :smoke:

http://img40.photobucket.com/albums/v122/jazzthefunk/tn_jesus2-Jesus-Jesus-7_0307-1715-4240.gif
I believe more in loving yourself.

Because it's the nr. 1 requirement for loving someone else truly.

I respect any believe, as long as it is not in the way of what others think/do.

Yogi

Skweeky

03-25-2004, 03:43 PM

I'd never ever force my beliefs onto someone. In fact I hardly ever talk about them because I think religion is a personal matter, so I'm making a big exception for you guys here :lol:

I'm just saying that whenever I talk a walk on the beach and watch the sunset, or have a converstaion with Marc and it really feels like he's just the part of me that has always been missing, or I get a letter from my niece,....They're all small things but can make me feel so happy, and that is when I really feel there is something or someone that is larger than us, larger than life.
I know that there are also many things that counter that. I actually cry when I see pictures of starving children in Africa, or innocent people getting shot because they happen to be born in the wrong part of the world. Religion has caused so many wars and is still causing them.
Somewhere during the Age of Enlightment a philospher introduced the image of 'God, the Clockmaker'. A being that created, or helped create but slowly takes its hands of that creation to let it grow and evolve. A bit like a parent actually. You can start to raise your kids, and you can influence them, but as they get older they get a mind of their own and there isn't much more that you can do but support them and hope they learn from their mistakes.

I do not have an explanation as to why I believe, I just do....
I do not believe in all the restrictions the Church holds onto that much, I just believe in God, not in the rules some crazy institution lives by.

There, my two cents. I know you can wipe all my arguments aside with a rational reply, but maybe we don't always have to be that rational :)

Peace,
Sonja :wub: