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FatBastard
01-25-2004, 08:39 AM
l'm trying to read and understand Varela's "Calculus for Self-Reference" .

l thought l'd do myself a favour and have a wee joint before l tackled it, big mistake!

In a tradition of different origin, the idea of self- programming, or self-modification has emerged as a possible remedy to the often noticed stiffness of formal systems. At the root of the idea we find the intuition that a system should sometimes become something else than it was before; in other words, that its defining symbols can be both too vague and too narrow in comparison to processes of interest. Part of what in the seventies were called "goal-seeking systems", "catastrophes", or "dissipative structures" (characterized by a computational bottom-up approach that permits flexibility at a higher level) lived further in the eighties in connectionism and in the subsymbolic paradigm, or in the notion of "swarm intelligence". A good introduction to the flexibility aspect of subsysmbolic computations is A. Clark's Micro Cognition [1989]. Self-programming computers that could directly alter their own codes were already studied by von Neumann [1966], and several authors afterwards. Whether and to what extent self-programming can be carried out algorithmically, was always unclear, however.

l should have had a couple of beers!! :blink:

SodiumChloride
01-25-2004, 09:06 AM
Balderdash! We ALL know that the paradigm of self-replicating programs cannot reprogram its base code to evolve into the helical structure of the triple lutz. Only the gratuitous birth of coaxial membranes can succumb to the Straddavarian wing-wang theory. Just as Fitzgerald proved with his Theory of Geriatric Entanglement, the existance of "green code" cannot be proven to exist on a non-spacial level.

FuNkY CaPrIcOrN
01-25-2004, 09:07 AM
:huh:

cpt_azad
01-25-2004, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by SodiumChloride@25 January 2004 - 01:06
Balderdash! We ALL know that the paradigm of self-replicating programs cannot reprogram its base code to evolve into the helical structure of the triple lutz. Only the gratuitous birth of coaxial membranes can succumb to the Straddavarian wing-wang theory. Just as Fitzgerald proved with his Theory of Geriatric Entanglement, the existance of "green code" cannot be proven to exist on a non-spacial level.
ya, hi, can i buy dope from you?

UKMan
01-25-2004, 04:21 PM
I was stuck at the bit about "In a tradition..." :( :blink:

Ukkie