Swapgate Beta 1.6 [Archive] - FileSharing Talk

Illuminati

02-01-2004, 04:01 PM

SwapGate is a completely new client which can originally connect to OpenNap & SlavaNap servers. As such, currently the client is geared towards using their features - These include the (P2P-obligatory) searching for files, chat rooms on servers, server admin, etc. Chat scripts can also be used. The next step as SG develops is to create our own network, but it's stupid to do it right now while user numbers are low ;)

Practically all file types that exist can be shared - Though there could be exceptions (I'd love to see how a htaccess file can be shared ;)). Because of this, anti-virus protection is recommended.

The problem with making a full description is that we've no idea what answers you're looking for. The only thing I can say so far is that a huge chunk of development has been driven by the community - So far, the beta testers has had a big part in some of the features so expect words to be heard if you have any suggestions.

On a simplistic scale, this is effectively your client :)

sharedholder

02-01-2004, 04:52 PM

The problem with making a full description is that we've no idea what answers you're looking for. The only thing I can say so far is that a huge chunk of development has been driven by the community - So far, the beta testers has had a big part in some of the features so expect words to be heard if you have any suggestions.

A complete description that look like this one ,maybe ;) ?

Ares is a nice p2p program for Windows. It has a very easy to use interface similar to Kazaa. There is many features to Ares that you will not find in any other p2p program out there. There is a nice Web Browser, Chat, Easy to use Search, Built in theater/Media player and A safe network to share your files on.
Ares runs on its own Decentralized Network. It usually is averaging around 2,000,000 files or lower, depending on what supernode you connect to. There is Multi-Source downloading which makes downloads alot quicker. The network does not have many, if any fake files. The network is pretty clean right now and is very dependable.

Features:

-Advanced search for all types of media files (Audio, Video, Games, Software, Photos and more).
-Very fast downloads from multiple users simultaneously.
-Automatic resume feature that assures the completion of all your requested downloads.
-A Media Player with play lists and full-screen mode.
-Ability to preview Audio and Video files while their download is in progress.
-Enhanced Library Manager ideally designed for organizing all your PCs media files.
-Advanced media filter that prevents access to offensive files and viruses.
-Ability to create your chat room and chat with your friends while downloading.
-The most friendly and intuitive user interface.
-Bandwidth and queue control.
-Spyware Free.

namzuf9

02-01-2004, 04:53 PM

Was it 7th's intention for this to be a public beta yet?
Should we feel free to download it and join up at the forums?
I only ask cos it was'nt 7th who posted the link to it and I would'nt want to piss off people who have put work into this.
I'm confuzzled :huh:

infamousalbo101

02-01-2004, 05:57 PM

Just give it time we started working on it recently All great p2p programs have to start somewhere :)

nostalgia

02-01-2004, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by namzuf9@1 February 2004 - 16:53
Was it 7th's intention for this to be a public beta yet?
Should we feel free to download it and join up at the forums?
I only ask cos it was'nt 7th who posted the link to it and I would'nt want to piss off people who have put work into this.
I'm confuzzled :huh:
Good question. I'm also awaiting the answer.

namzuf9

02-01-2004, 08:29 PM

Curiosity got the better of me so I registered anyway <_<
Looks interesting, I'll have a look at it when I get the chance (and when someone confirms it is "public")

{I}{K}{E}

02-01-2004, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by nostalgia@1 February 2004 - 19:48
Was it 7th's intention for this to be a public beta yet?
yes it's an official public release.

www.swapgate.com

namzuf9

02-01-2004, 09:03 PM

Thanks for the confimation.
I'll download it tonight and have a little play. :)

ivy

02-02-2004, 05:45 AM

Originally posted by sharedholder@1 February 2004 - 12:52

The problem with making a full description is that we've no idea what answers you're looking for. The only thing I can say so far is that a huge chunk of development has been driven by the community - So far, the beta testers has had a big part in some of the features so expect words to be heard if you have any suggestions.

A complete description that look like this one ,maybe ;) ?

Ares is a nice p2p program for Windows. It has a very easy to use interface similar to Kazaa. There is many features to Ares that you will not find in any other p2p program out there. There is a nice Web Browser, Chat, Easy to use Search, Built in theater/Media player and A safe network to share your files on.
Ares runs on its own Decentralized Network. It usually is averaging around 2,000,000 files or lower, depending on what supernode you connect to. There is Multi-Source downloading which makes downloads alot quicker. The network does not have many, if any fake files. The network is pretty clean right now and is very dependable.

Features:

-Advanced search for all types of media files (Audio, Video, Games, Software, Photos and more).
-Very fast downloads from multiple users simultaneously.
-Automatic resume feature that assures the completion of all your requested downloads.
-A Media Player with play lists and full-screen mode.
-Ability to preview Audio and Video files while their download is in progress.
-Enhanced Library Manager ideally designed for organizing all your PCs media files.
-Advanced media filter that prevents access to offensive files and viruses.
-Ability to create your chat room and chat with your friends while downloading.
-The most friendly and intuitive user interface.
-Bandwidth and queue control.
-Spyware Free.

im sure when all the bugs have been worked out and all the options finalized the developers will come up with a more detailed rundown of the program. any other info you want on the program is available at swapgate (http://www.swapgate.com)

sharedholder

02-02-2004, 07:10 AM

Originally posted by ivy+2 February 2004 - 05:45--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ivy @ 2 February 2004 - 05:45)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-sharedholder@1 February 2004 - 12:52

The problem with making a full description is that we've no idea what answers you're looking for. The only thing I can say so far is that a huge chunk of development has been driven by the community - So far, the beta testers has had a big part in some of the features so expect words to be heard if you have any suggestions.

A complete description that look like this one ,maybe ;) ?

Ares is a nice p2p program for Windows. It has a very easy to use interface similar to Kazaa. There is many features to Ares that you will not find in any other p2p program out there. There is a nice Web Browser, Chat, Easy to use Search, Built in theater/Media player and A safe network to share your files on.
Ares runs on its own Decentralized Network. It usually is averaging around 2,000,000 files or lower, depending on what supernode you connect to. There is Multi-Source downloading which makes downloads alot quicker. The network does not have many, if any fake files. The network is pretty clean right now and is very dependable.

Features:

-Advanced search for all types of media files (Audio, Video, Games, Software, Photos and more).
-Very fast downloads from multiple users simultaneously.
-Automatic resume feature that assures the completion of all your requested downloads.
-A Media Player with play lists and full-screen mode.
-Ability to preview Audio and Video files while their download is in progress.
-Enhanced Library Manager ideally designed for organizing all your PCs media files.
-Advanced media filter that prevents access to offensive files and viruses.
-Ability to create your chat room and chat with your friends while downloading.
-The most friendly and intuitive user interface.
-Bandwidth and queue control.
-Spyware Free.

im sure when all the bugs have been worked out and all the options finalized the developers will come up with a more detailed rundown of the program. any other info you want on the program is available at swapgate (http://www.swapgate.com)[/b][/quote]
:frusty: :frusty: :frusty: :frusty: :frusty: :frusty: :frusty: :frusty: :frusty: :frusty:
any other info you want on the program is available at swapgate (http://www.swapgate.com)

MUSLEMAN

02-02-2004, 12:25 PM

roflmao, people don't seem too friendly on there.

and where is the privacy patch?? i can't leave my files for riaa to view :lol:

or did i miss it??

internet.news

02-02-2004, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by {I}{K}{E}@1 February 2004 - 14:31
SwapGate offers artists a free file sharing tool to distribute their work among masses of users and gives music fans free access to a universe of downloadable songs. Our client allows you to connect through SlavaNap and OpenNap networks. Additionally, we are working on our own protocol, which will enable our members to share even more.

;)

{I}{K}{E}
IKE, as your client connects to Opennap, does some of you own a Slavanap
Server, e.g. called Kl Board Server? I know -Huize- takes care of the Ballad
Network, as I dedicated my server to this smart & nice network one time.

The only problem besides Opennap is the fact that all the servers on napigator are
not linked together so that you have to be connected to all servers and some are
full. The database of files would be more effective if Opennap would be ONE whole
Network.

For my Win98. SwapGate does not seem to work. Filenavigator looks similar and is
quite more stable. I will follow the future developement and if I can help you...

;)

thewizeard

02-03-2004, 11:19 PM

Just want you to see the speeds that can be attained using SwapGate software!!

http://server5.uploadit.org/files/nigel123-downloading.jpg

Not bad eh???? :o

sharedholder

02-03-2004, 11:28 PM

Not only with Swapgate you can get that speed , that's depend of what type of connection you have and more.Swapgate can't have nothing special to transform a 56k user in to dsl user. ;) :lol:

thewizeard

02-03-2004, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by sharedholder@3 February 2004 - 23:28
Not only with Swapgate you can get that speed , that's depend of what type of connection you have and more.Swapgate can't have nothing special to transform a 56k user in to dsl user. ;) :lol:
True, but you rarely see such speeds with Kazaa... :lol:

sharedholder

02-03-2004, 11:36 PM

Who says that i'm using Kazaa :sneaky1: Bittorent, Blubster, eMule, Overnet Lite, are better than Kazaa & Swapgate.

thewizeard

02-03-2004, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by sharedholder@3 February 2004 - 23:36
Who says that i'm using Kazaa :sneaky1: Bittorent, Blubster, eMule, Overnet Lite, are better than Kazaa & Swapgate.
No one said you were, but then I ask you, have you tried SwapGate sharedholder?

sharedholder

02-03-2004, 11:55 PM

No, and i don't have any intetion to try it because i have two important reasons : first its still beta, second i don't like p2p proggies that work with servers.

thewizeard

02-04-2004, 12:02 AM

Ok, could you explain the difference to me between, let's say emule and one of those you mentioned?

In the end I do like to get my files as fast as possible....

Edit: i mean the difference between the networks....

Benno

02-04-2004, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by sharedholder@3 February 2004 - 23:55
No, and i don't have any intetion to try it because i have two important reasons : first its still beta, second i don't like p2p proggies that work with servers.
AFAIK emule and overnet use servers as well?
and bittorent has trackers, a kind of server too..

asmithz

02-04-2004, 04:00 AM

Originally posted by sharedholder@3 February 2004 - 15:28
Not only with Swapgate you can get that speed , that's depend of what type of connection you have and more.Swapgate can't have nothing special to transform a 56k user in to dsl user. ;) :lol:
It is 56k friendly tho, since once the download starts you wont get bumped ;)

-Huize-

02-04-2004, 05:11 AM

With swapgate and as all other opennap clients , transfers never go trough a server but are between users. Think of the server as the market place where all people gather to show off their stuff ( fileheaders). Once u find a match, and commence a transfer it goes outside of the server.

Speeds vary on your connection, and the upload speed of the user u are getting the file from.

File types that are allowed can vary per network u log on to. Most networks allow everything, other networks are specifix to a file. This is stated in either the server name, the network name or the message of the day of that server.

Cause of the servers there are lesser chances of running into leeches, as most servers boot them. And if they are still there ( like some one sharing, but not allowing uploads) u can always message a moderator or above to get rid of that leech.

And because of the server nature of the network there is a active development and progress is blocking files that never should be online, or exist in the first place, like child porn.

The part of all networks not being linked together makes the community divers and different then most p2p apps. U can actually join a chatroom and have a decent conversation, without getting bitched at for being a newbie/n00b etc.

uNz[i]

02-04-2004, 07:04 AM

Originally posted by MUSLEMAN@2 February 2004 - 21:55
roflmao, people don't seem too friendly on there.

and where is the privacy patch?? i can't leave my files for riaa to view  :lol:

or did i miss it??
What makes you say the folks aren't friendly? :blink:
I've been constantly stunned at how open and helpful everyone I've encountered in chat has been to me since I started testing SwapGate.
Every person I've talked to has been only too pleased to answer all of my n00bish questions... unlike some of the arrogant people I've seen on this board...

If you guys really want to know what SG is like, just download it and try it yourself.
Why can't you do just that little thing? Are you afraid you might like it? :P

Okay, you want a users impressions before taking the plunge? Right then...

The layout is simple and intuitive. I felt quite comfortable using SG from the word go.
Any user of IRC will see a marked similarity in the chat window and some of the channel /commands are identical.

I'm only on dialup, so I can't say whether it'll give you blinding speeds. But I can report that downloads usually start immediatly, and I very rarely get queued for more than 5 minutes. A single source will download at a solid 4-6K/s over my creaky lil modem, which is more than I can say for most of the other p2p apps I've tried.

As for the kinds of files, well, that can depend on what servers and networks you connect to. Some offer music, others have movies.. there are also channels where anything goes, with the exception of pr0n. (if you want that, use the fasttrack network) I've seen shared folders with apps, games, roms... allsorts.

Even though SwapGate's still in beta, It's stable on a win2000/XP system... and I haven't had a single problem since it went public ...actually tbh, I had very few problems while it was still in the private beta stages too. :P

So what I suggest is that you...

TRY IT. IT WON"T KILL YOU.

...damn... I feel like a parent trying to get a bratty kid to eat brussel sprouts ffs. :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, and you can block any IP in Program Options>Privacy Options.

MUSLEMAN

02-04-2004, 08:14 AM

i have not been able to get many files and again there is no privacy patch.

the files i do get are very slow speed

sharedholder

02-04-2004, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by Benno+4 February 2004 - 00:32--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Benno @ 4 February 2004 - 00:32)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-sharedholder@3 February 2004 - 23:55
No, and i don't have any intetion to try it because i have two important reasons : first its still beta, second i don't like p2p proggies that work with servers.
AFAIK emule and overnet use servers as well?
and bittorent has trackers, a kind of server too.. [/b][/quote]
You can't compare e2Dk network and programs with Openap . ;)

7thElement

02-04-2004, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by MUSLEMAN@4 February 2004 - 08:14
i have not been able to get many files and again there is no privacy patch.

the files i do get are very slow speed
What kind of Privacy Patch are you talking about ? :)

- If users browse your list they browse the server
- If users search they search on the server list
- If you send a PM to a user it goes through the server
- If you are in a chat channel it goes thrugh the server

Another plus is that server admins block BayTSP and all known bad IPs directly meaning they won't even find a way in. There is not one single case of a sued Slavanap / OpenNap user plus server owners cannot be help responsible for their indexing servers (ruled by US court).

The only way to get your IP is by downloading from you but thats how all P2P tools are designed - without knowing users IPs there is no way to transfer from one client to another. If you think porxies will do the job then I have to wake you up cause you would have to use 255 proxies to hide your IP without leaving traces.

Maybe you can explain this "privacy patch" better :)

P.S: We also develop our own unique protocol for V2 which comes out in summer. That will change much more aspects as we can add whatever is needed. Atm we are also able to talk to the server developer which includes custom features so it's not really open nap. The old opennap times are over :)

Multisource downloads, resuming from other users and privacy are no big deal.anymore..

thewizeard

02-04-2004, 08:24 AM

Originally posted by sharedholder+4 February 2004 - 08:17--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sharedholder @ 4 February 2004 - 08:17)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Benno@4 February 2004 - 00:32
<!--QuoteBegin-sharedholder@3 February 2004 - 23:55
No, and i don't have any intetion to try it because i have two important reasons : first its still beta, second i don't like p2p proggies that work with servers.
AFAIK emule and overnet use servers as well?
and bittorent has trackers, a kind of server too..
You can't compare e2Dk network and programs with Openap . ;) [/b][/quote]
If you are not willing to explain it to me....then you are absolutely right. :lol:

sharedholder

02-04-2004, 08:28 AM

Well , i don't boother to explain things that you already know ( maybe better than me ) or you don't want to understand.Peace. :)

thewizeard

02-04-2004, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by sharedholder@4 February 2004 - 08:28
Well , i don't boother to explain things that you already know ( maybe better than me ) or you don't want to understand.Peace. :)
Well I don't know actually,. What I do believe though is that it is first better to try something before criticising it. I have tried SwapGate.... So I feel qualified to discuss it.

MUSLEMAN

02-04-2004, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by uNz[i]+4 February 2004 - 03:04--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (uNz[i] @ 4 February 2004 - 03:04)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-MUSLEMAN@2 February 2004 - 21:55
roflmao, people don't seem too friendly on there.

and where is the privacy patch?? i can't leave my files for riaa to view :lol:

or did i miss it??
What makes you say the folks aren't friendly? :blink:
I've been constantly stunned at how open and helpful everyone I've encountered in chat has been to me since I started testing SwapGate.
Every person I've talked to has been only too pleased to answer all of my n00bish questions... unlike some of the arrogant people I've seen on this board...

If you guys really want to know what SG is like, just download it and try it yourself.
Why can't you do just that little thing? Are you afraid you might like it? :P

Okay, you want a users impressions before taking the plunge? Right then...

The layout is simple and intuitive. I felt quite comfortable using SG from the word go.
Any user of IRC will see a marked similarity in the chat window and some of the channel /commands are identical.

I'm only on dialup, so I can't say whether it'll give you blinding speeds. But I can report that downloads usually start immediatly, and I very rarely get queued for more than 5 minutes. A single source will download at a solid 4-6K/s over my creaky lil modem, which is more than I can say for most of the other p2p apps I've tried.

As for the kinds of files, well, that can depend on what servers and networks you connect to. Some offer music, others have movies.. there are also channels where anything goes, with the exception of pr0n. (if you want that, use the fasttrack network) I've seen shared folders with apps, games, roms... allsorts.

Even though SwapGate's still in beta, It's stable on a win2000/XP system... and I haven't had a single problem since it went public ...actually tbh, I had very few problems while it was still in the private beta stages too. :P

So what I suggest is that you...

TRY IT. IT WON"T KILL YOU.

...damn... I feel like a parent trying to get a bratty kid to eat brussel sprouts ffs. :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, and you can block any IP in Program Options>Privacy Options. [/b][/quote]
@uNz[i] you forgot to mention that you are a mod on the swapgate board boss, as a mod i don't expect you to say anything bad about the software but thx for bing honest about your possition. and it looks like your keeping an "i" on swapgate not kl board.

@7th by privacy patch i mean just like klite, when nobody can see what i'm sharing but i'm sharing all my files, as far as nobody being sued by the riaa over this network or servers, well i don't belive anybody has gotten sued over any other network either except for fasttrack since that is the network riaa has decided to go after.

i just would feel more comfotable with the privacy patch, living in the us and sharing shit loads of files. i mean even overnet has it.

as far as the program itself, i'm still testing it, it just came out, and its going to take a good while for me to say if i like it or not, right now its too early and not far to make a judgement

:lol:

7thElement

02-04-2004, 10:54 AM

@7th by privacy patch i mean just like klite, when nobody can see what i'm sharing but i'm sharing all my files

You cannot be sued if somebody knows what files you have. First of all the list that a user can access is stored on the server. Usernames are not unique and a list of all your shared files doesn't give your IP away.

The only way to sue you would be to start an download from you, getting your IP and having logs that you allowed somebody to download from you.

It's a false sense of security if you think that people should be blocked from browsing your files if they are still able to find the file while using the search function.

A list also means nothing and cannot be used to sue you cause it doesn't mean that you actually share all files. You can only be sued if there are logs that a user downloaded a file from you and not because somebody knows what files you have on your comp.

I understand your worries but I don't think it would help to add such a "privacy option" cause it just gives an user a false sense of security. I don't want to play with a user's sense of security cause there are already many programs which do that and it's just wrong.

Overall I think that it is less risky to use clients based on the napster protocol than other protocols because most protocols are owned by a company which doesn't care about the enduser. They just want to show how many users they have and how easy it is to get files. "Users are servers" networks care more about privacy and 99% of all server owners block known IP ranges anyway.

Example:

ballad : Connection from s812149866268695!216.133.193.160: *!216.133.193.* banned: BayTSP
ballad : Connection from h561392331114274!216.133.193.145: *!216.133.193.* banned: BayTSP
ballad : Connection from j181811582322521!216.133.193.211: *!216.133.193.* banned: BayTSP
ballad : Connection from z891437185739324!216.133.193.136: *!216.133.193.* banned: BayTSP
ballad : Connection from g661891425518984!216.133.193.191: *!216.133.193.* banned: BayTSP
ballad : Connection from v118181163711379!216.133.193.152: *!216.133.193.* banned: BayTSP

Server side banning is more effective than user defined filters because the risk is smaller as known IP's cannot connect at all.

I personally prefer a honest sharing app than apps claiming how secure they are by using proxies or UDP. If you are into programming you will know what I am talking about because such claims are plain stupid and not correct.

uNz[i]

02-04-2004, 11:25 AM

MUSLEMAN - So now you're saying my honest input should be ignored because I've been a mod for a day on the SG forum?

Way to be open minded dude. :rolleyes:

Try the program. That's all I'm saying. I did and I liked it. I wrote a help FAQ for it and 7th made me a mod for pitching in... if that presents a problem for you... Tough.

MUSLEMAN

02-04-2004, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by uNz[i
,4 February 2004 - 07:25] MUSLEMAN - So now you're saying my honest input should be ignored because I've been a mod for a day on the SG forum?

Way to be open minded dude. :rolleyes:

Try the program. That's all I'm saying. I did and I liked it. I wrote a help FAQ for it and 7th made me a mod for pitching in... if that presents a problem for you... Tough.
no champ what i'm saying is you forgot to mention that you are a mod on the forum of the software you are rating :lol:

surely even you don't trust a person who works for a store you are trying to shop at, i mean its their job to talk good about the store and the product.

i'm not saying you don't mean what you say about the program, i'm just saying it would have been honest of you to first say you are a mod and give your rating as a mod.

i mean think about it , how are we suppose to tell the difference between some one who is just taking good about the team and the store because they are part of the team and they have to, and the person who is in the same exact situation and realy means what they are saying. there realy is no way to tell.

99.9% of the time when somebody is with a group they talk good about the group.

read your post again you sound like a person with no affiliation with swapgate giving your hosnest a god rating of the software, which is not true, thus making your rating suspicious also

as for the software it self, read my last post again toward the end.

@7th i like the privacy patch more for privacy and the riaa, they do go after people with larger files, and yes they can search and see my name as a source for a file but they can't see how many files i'm sharing. on that note only is the reason why i liked it.

i know all the ways riaa gets you and i'm in no way feeling safe, even with privacy patch, proxy and etc. i l just don't like somebody being able you to come in and see every thing i share all at once riaa or joe somebody :lol:

anyways thx for the explaination, it all makes sense, but again i think leting us decide who sees what is a bit more private and i personally like it. it was just a suggestion :lol:

every thing makes sense, i will be on the forum soon, as soon as i collect all my questions and also i need to work with it more to understand it better.

good luck with and i hope it takes off :lol: :lol:

(ps i am sharing all my files on there now, so there are more files on the network)

7thElement

02-04-2004, 12:18 PM

Don't worry I didn't see it as attack ;)

The whole project is based on user input meaning I am glad to hear suggestions and I won't be upset if people say it's crap for some reason since I am aware that better clients exist :)

Our mission is not to offer the "best" tool. We prefer to do what users want to see and to keep it free of adware / spyware cause that's what sharing is about :)

MUSLEMAN

02-04-2004, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by 7thElement@4 February 2004 - 08:18
Don't worry I didn't see it as attack ;)

The whole project is based on user input meaning I am glad to hear suggestions and I won't be upset if people say it's crap for some reason since I am aware that better clients exist :)

Our mission is not to offer the "best" tool. We prefer to do what users want to see and to keep it free of adware / spyware cause that's what sharing is about :)
well give it time and be patient i'm sure it will pick up :lol:

-Huize-

02-04-2004, 12:25 PM

Unzi, has been a mod since exactly one day. So its kinda lmae to say he is Pro the program cause he is a mod.He became mod cause he wrote a damn good faq for the client.

About privacy, if you dont want someone to see your files, u are going against the basic principle of p2p file sharing. The entire idea is that , all the users trow in their files, and can see eachother files, then download them. Trading is stupid, its free-sharing, not ow i'll only allow a upload of file a, if u gimme file c. Thats plain stupid, u might aswell place a add in the newspapers then and trade cd's. Its free sharing!

I am a server owner and about the privcay, dont you think we activly ban known ip's, ip ranges etc to keep riaa etc away. I am European so i basically dont have to worry about the riaa, yet i still block it, for the "safety" of the users. And lets face it the only way u will ever be 100% safe is to NOT use any p2p app.

I can at this moment say , that for connecting to multiple networks Swapgate is my favorite. And u can trust me, i have tried alot of different clients for this protocol.

sharedholder

02-04-2004, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by nigel123+4 February 2004 - 08:53--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (nigel123 @ 4 February 2004 - 08:53)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-sharedholder@4 February 2004 - 08:28
Well , i don't boother to explain things that you already know ( maybe better than me ) or you don't want to understand.Peace. :)
Well I don't know actually,. What I do believe though is that it is first better to try something before criticising it. I have tried SwapGate.... So I feel qualified to discuss it. [/b][/quote]
I know you tried Swapgate , you have more posts on Swapgate forums more than Lamsey.And btw i don't critic nothing , i just exprim my opinion on this program like about any other program. :) And don't forget one thing: Fasttrack network was the biggest and still it is now, why ? because the amount of files and no SERVERS THING , people don't like to connect to server, most of us are using e2Dk network because Kazaa its dead killed by Sharman Networks himself.Don't forget that before this thing happend a very litlle % of us used eMule or any other e2dK client. :) One more thing Overnet its server-less ;)

thewizeard

02-04-2004, 04:22 PM

Still, it seems a pity that someone with your obvious experience, cant find some time to give it a "try" and then give your opinion...many of the features that have been included in the program were actually suggestions from the beta testers... :)

rf9rider

02-04-2004, 05:47 PM

I have to agree with comments made earlier about this place being not too friendly, i just d/l it to have a look, and i got messages saying share at least 10 files or get banned!

Btw, i share more than that so wtf? :lol:

namzuf9

02-04-2004, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by rf9rider@4 February 2004 - 18:47
I have to agree with comments made earlier about this place being not too friendly, i just d/l it to have a look, and i got messages saying share at least 10 files or get banned!

Btw, i share more than that so wtf? :lol:
Taken from uNz[i]'s extensive and informative FAQ at swapgate.com

Q: Why did I get banned for not sharing enough, even though I am sharing a LOT?

A: Some servers are made to only share movies (e.g. quality movies).
Maybe that massive swag of files you're sharing is mostly music, not movies.
Always look at the network name/server name, this can be a subtle hint.

You'll also find you were banned from one server. Swapgate connects to multiple OpenNap and SlavaNap servers.

:rtfm: (not being offensive I just really wanted to use that smiley for the first time :lol: )

-Huize-

02-04-2004, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by rf9rider@4 February 2004 - 17:47
I have to agree with comments made earlier about this place being not too friendly, i just d/l it to have a look, and i got messages saying share at least 10 files or get banned!

Btw, i share more than that so wtf? :lol:
That sounds more like the MOTD of a server, this gives out general information, like the server rules, and the minimum, it will also give u the actions taken when not complied. a 10 file minimum is low bw, no one likes a leech!

sharedholder

02-04-2004, 09:47 PM

-Huize- , your opinion about this ? (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?threadid=17991)

-Huize-

02-05-2004, 03:46 AM

Sure ill comment on that one. But first off, there will always be users like "snarkridden". There will never be a protocol that will make everyone happy.

"Why? Simply this, so many servers today are restricting client types, limiting browsing, placing rediculous limits on searches, and generally becoming very unfriendly."

Ofcourse we limit clients, or can u all of a sudden read Japanese?.....Dident think so, so yes we block japanese clients.

"Browse limiting: Totally unneccesary, totally restricting to all decent sharers with increasingly large shares: Set a reasonable level of 10,000 files for example. If your server cannot handle this, improve it, don't throttle users."

Browse limiting, if u as a user think u can browse someone with more then 3000 files you are wrong, A) Your client will crash, no matter what client, cause it cannot handle a data flow like it. B) All the files will turn up in search. C) A browse will slow any server down, no matter what connection, it has happend before that a server on a t1 line would crash due to allowing unlimited browsing.

Now to draw a line between stability and best functionality browsing is limited and will always be limited, this is a thing that has been limited from the verry start of opennap/slavanap servers.

"Search Limits: With todays broadband access numbers on the up & up, sharers are download and uploading more files than ever: A search of a popular artist will often produce 5000 or more results, why set limits of 500 or so ?"

Know any artist that has more then 5000 different different songs?
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Dident think so. say your search gives you 100 results, would it be nesscary to havethat same list multiplied by 5 with all the files double...?
And if you use the client to its best, u will be logged on to multiple networks at once and get more results then u can imagine. And if u cant find the song, it isent being shared. Search is pretty damn affective.

And like "notbob" wrote:

"don't like their rules? ,..., start your own server"

Now if you want further comments on what other people write about a certain protocol i'm more then happy to give them to you. OR just MAYBE , u could try it yourselve , without being bigoted and see what its all about. BUT that would prolly be to much of a hassle now would it.

What amazes me is that you seem bigoted towards this program for no apparant reason without even trying it. So to comply with your style i searchec trough zeropaid for you, prolly the same way as u did and well here it is.

"isus"
"hell if i know mr. jip.

my guess is, that even though most servers only house 10000 users or whatever, they do share a lot. (at least the last time i used opennap *cough*winmx 2.6*cough*) you can find all sorts of rare files on there, bc unlike kazaa, where n00bs run rampant, sharing their whole hard drives, guys who use opennap know what they're doing, and usually use irc to get the rarest files around.

i found all sorts of good stuff when using opennap servers. it was fun."

"RecalcitrantX "
"OpenNap is great for rare files, as isus points out. If you're willing to wait in queues you'll have an easier time getting a rare file from OpenNap than you would from eDonkey. "

"Lamourlady "
"yep, i still use them. whenever i can't find a song...i hook up with them...i find that the queues go pretty fast, actually. and u know if i'm waiting in a queue, i want that song bad...usually if the song is pretty new and not that many peeps have it yet.....but u can bet it'll be with one of the many opennap users."

"method77 "
"i use it all the time for rare tracks. There is no difference between DC, Soulseek and opennap imo. Mono source and really hard to get in rooms-hubs-servers and have to wait a little longer BUT you can find stuff that will never be released in popular clients. Not to mention security cause most of the times you know all the people that are in the room-hub-server with you. Privacy."

Original source (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=15341&highlight=opennap)

Sparkle1984

02-05-2004, 10:11 PM

I am a beta tester of Swapgate, and I agree with Musleman's privacy concerns - I think that people should be given the choice to stop the browsing of their shared folder if they want. If 7thElement isn't willing to do it, then I bet that sometime in the future, when Swapgate becomes more popular, someone else might try to write an external privacy patch. Remember before K-Lite had a built-in privacy option, there was an external privacy patch.

The main problem with Swapgate at the moment though is the length of the queues. Even when trying to download off someone with a green icon (T1 or T3 connection), it takes a very long time to begin. And I wouldn't say the song is that rare. But when there is multisource downloading introduced, this situation will improve.

So I admit, at the moment I do still prefer K-Lite and Soulseek, but it will improve so I'll hang on. ;)

7thElement

02-05-2004, 11:50 PM

The "privacy patch request" is something which isn't doable via client side because users browse your shared file list on the server.

Concept:

User uploads his file list to the server > Server forwards results of searches and browsing requests back to the client.

Blocking browsing = blocking the file list which means no file list = no downloads.

At least with this protocol :)

Anyway... I think it is a false sense of security cause any list of songs (uploaded to a website etc) is not enough to sue a user. First RIAA / BayTSP has to download songs before they could sue anybody. If people are scared about getting sued I would suggest to stop sharing cause filesharing doesn't work if people don't share.

The risk is everywhere it doesnt matter if people can see your list or not because only logged downloads count, and the BayTSP bots just try to download from any user - they don't check lists :)

FuNkY CaPrIcOrN

02-05-2004, 11:56 PM

;) Downloading whole Albums.Not going to say what Program has this because do not what to start no Forum Battle.But it would be nice and one of the main Reasons alot of us hang out where we do.

thewizeard

02-06-2004, 04:21 PM

-Huize- , your opinion about this ?

http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showt...ndpost&p=855005 (http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=97542&view=findpost&p=855005)

Silence is golden? ;)

sharedholder

02-06-2004, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by nigel123@6 February 2004 - 16:21

-Huize- , your opinion about this ?

http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showt...ndpost&p=855005 (http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=97542&view=findpost&p=855005)

Silence is golden? ;)
Well, i don't know who is more silent, me or you Swapgate users ? :lol:

thewizeard

02-06-2004, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by sharedholder+6 February 2004 - 20:37--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sharedholder @ 6 February 2004 - 20:37)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-nigel123@6 February 2004 - 16:21

-Huize- , your opinion about this ?

http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showt...ndpost&p=855005 (http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=97542&view=findpost&p=855005)

Silence is golden? ;)
Well, i don't know who is more silent, me or you Swapgate users ? :lol: [/b][/quote]
:o We have been politely awaiting your reply to -Huize- last post :)

Edit: and patiently...

IntraDream

02-08-2004, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by stupidguy@1 February 2004 - 14:39
It seems lots of channels are already blocking SwapGate
Its not that there necisarly blocking swapgate its that the slavanap server dosnt have swapgate as a known client yet and some servers block unknown clients.. i assume Mr_Fred will add swapgate in his next release of slavanap.

-Huize-

02-08-2004, 11:56 PM

By default all "unkown"clients are blocked, same with random names. In the next build it will be added to the allowed list.

internet.news

02-12-2004, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by sharedholder@1 February 2004 - 15:39
:lol: :lol: The web gonna be full with Swapgate mirrors soon with or without your permision and you guys know this thing ;) .Btw i see that a real description of the program its still missing in this thread. ;)
Live with it or not: if you once start sharing or even before - you cannot stop it.

;)

WolverineDK

02-13-2004, 06:04 PM

i would rather use winmx because that is opennap and there are lots of tools to it(and it can connect to slavanap network through a tool)

so swapgate ? no sorry i thought it was something else so i am dissapointed

i still prefer the fastrack network and Direct Connect

internet.news

02-13-2004, 11:47 PM

SG is still being developed and maybe improved.

thewizeard

02-14-2004, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by WolverineDK@13 February 2004 - 18:04
i would rather use winmx because that is opennap and there are lots of tools to it(and it can connect to slavanap network through a tool)

so swapgate ? no sorry i thought it was something else so i am dissapointed

i still prefer the fastrack network and Direct Connect
:o I have a question then...have you tried SwapGate? :)

-Huize-

02-14-2004, 02:52 AM

Winmx hasent been Opennap ever since the 3.xx versions. In the versions 3 and upwards they included their PNP networks and ever since winmx has gone from reasonable to bad. Winmx has so many opennap protocol issues that its one of the most hated clients on the networks. Only reason its still allowed is because its the Most used client. ( quantity over quality)

And then there are all the winmx plug ins, like leechhammer, mxmonitor... these plug ins may be nice for the PNP network but go against everything that opennap/slavanap servers stand for. Almost every server has a Minimum set, a minimum u must share to be able to log onto the network and stay logged on. With these plug ins u Overwrite these settings, wich is simply wrong.

Winmx started out as a Opennap client ( version 2.6 and below ) and back then it was a ok client apart from the que-ing system.
Now with the pnp network u have to wait in que cause a user is on the opennap protocol and the pnp network , wich leads to confilcts in the que handling.

Ever since the 3.xx versions winmx has ahd que issues ( Queed 10054 wtf?! )

So no, winmx isent a decent opennap client, few clients are a decent clietn. Swapgate however has the support of the server development team for slavanap.
Slavanap makes up for about 95% of the servers that everyone calls opennap btw.

Swapgate will in the end offer a network on its own, and full support for opennap networks, and because of the main development team of swapgate being in contact with both the development team of the server software and the people that RUN the servers, it is going to be far better then winmx.