Pornography!, Yes Or No?

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We all know that pornography is restriced to 18+. But why? Do you think that porn must be free access?

This is a poll request from superdude (http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showuser=35629)

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[Darth Sushi]

http://www.nylon.net/brainburger/tongue.jpg YEAHHHHH! :P

[kAb]

Yes. Porn has kept me from having sex before I'm ready.

Actually, I'm hornier than ever now :blink:

uhh... porn is good! :01:

[j2k4]

Define porn.

Seriously.

[Billy_Dean]

Under 18's have to be protected from predators. Even more so with the proliferation of internet access. Keep it as it is and make an extra effort to track down and kill paedophiles.

[silent VI]

porn is free for all :D

[pusher]

Porn makes everything better.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by pusher@3 February 2004 - 04:04
Porn makes everything better.
And being glib helps, too, I suppose. <_<

[pusher]

Originally posted by j2k4@3 February 2004 - 08:07
And being glib helps, too, I suppose. <_<
It does doesn&#39;t it? :)

[Monkeee]

in my opinion anyone younger then 17 that has sex is just fucked up ;)

thats why kids need porn so they can wank off and not have sex :D

[dragon_son]

most porn good


some porn bad

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[swarnel]

imo porn should be for 14+ :lol:

[bigboab]

I think that any nudity should be available in a separate section. The reason I say this is that we have young members in this forum who are watching the forum, sometimes in the company of adults. Sometimes in the family living room. Actually the more I think about it, it also applies to grown ups. On a couple of occasions I went to show someone something on the forum. In order to do so I had to display an array of topless women. What kind of impresion does that give to strangers watching the forum. What do they think of me continually on the forum.

The main reason I am against it was the other night during the superbowl. When we had a young American lad watching the superbowl with his family and also logged on to the forum. He must have been embarassed to be shown a display of topless women in a thread about the superbowl. He did complain, and rightly so, at the time. OK someone is going to come back and mention the Jackson incident. That was an accident, I hope. :)

[tracydani]

I voted 18+ but that is not really accurate for me.

Explicit porn should be located in separate areas. Basic nudity should be available anywhere. Children should not be taught that nudity in itself is wrong.

TD

[Yogi]

:P I did not vote.

No answer fits me.

Put a kid of let&#39;s say 14familiar with a computer behind it and odds are he has

seen it all. And i mean all.

Regulation is good, if it actually works. It doesn&#39;t.

And it won&#39;t get any better.

So only way of "damagecontrol" is education on sexual values.

By parents(if available), at school, etc.

Because what they will "learn" from porn is not real life.

To be honest i&#39;m even more concerned about some "shows" we have on public

channels here, like sexcourt.

Most of those programs are way more sexist than most Pr0nflicks.

And every kid with a tv in it&#39;s room can watch them.........

Okay, no real "beavershots", but having a girl suck a ten inch dildo on public

tv...........

Most who know me, know i have nothing against porn for myself.

But i think i have a clear picture not to expect most of it in real life(though

admitted, i&#39;m quite happy in that department.).

But it&#39;s not just kids that are a risc building wrong values.

I think also a lot of "adults" could use a course on sexual values before they

indulge in p0rn..........


Yogi

[WhiteAngel]

Pornography, yes, for 18 and older. It obviously can not be regulated on the internet, some things just can&#39;t be. Example P2P filesharing. LOL. But where and when it can it should be. I find it is espically disturbing if someone is exposed to it who dosn&#39;t want to be. It should be availible to only those who want it.

To a certain extent yes it&#39;s natural.. but most "porn" these days seems to be pushing the limits of whats natural and whats just outright wrong. It just becomes a question of morals and values, and at 18, I think you can make that decison on your own.

-Steven

[j4y3m]

Anybody should be able to look at porn but you should have to 18+ to do porn.

[Ella]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@3 February 2004 - 16:13
Under 18&#39;s have to be protected from predators. Even more so with the proliferation of internet access. Keep it as it is and make an extra effort to track down and kill paedophiles.
Absolutely. And I&#39;ll bet those who commented that porn should be available for all don&#39;t have children who one day may fall prey to demon pedophiles. I would murder any pedophile who touched my children in the most painful way imaginable.

[Yogi]

........................... <_<

[Arm]

;) Restricting porn to 18 and older is a stupid thing and it wont work. If the kid knows where to go he can find porn quite easily.(*cough* Kazaa *cough*)

And I don&#39;t give a fuck about moral corrpution. I&#39;m more moral then most of these hypocrital motherfuckers in the world. :angel2:

[Yogi]

Originally posted by Ella+3 February 2004 - 13:15--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ella @ 3 February 2004 - 13:15)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Billy_Dean@3 February 2004 - 16:13
Under 18&#39;s have to be protected from predators.&nbsp; Even more so with the proliferation of internet access.&nbsp; Keep it as it is and make an extra effort to track down and kill paedophiles.
Absolutely. And I&#39;ll bet those who commented that porn should be available for all don&#39;t have children who one day may fall prey to demon pedophiles. I would murder any pedophile who touched my children in the most painful way imaginable. [/b][/quote]
I actually get scared by those comments. And that&#39;s mildly put........


And i honestly don&#39;t see the link here, in this topic, to peadophiles.......... :huh:


Yogi

[JONNO_CELEBS]

I voted 18+ altho thats not strictly true of the way I feel.

I think 18 is probably too high nowadays, I mean for gods sake, I challenge any of you mothers/fathers out there who have a son of 13 plus to turn his bedroom upside down, I garuantee you will find at least a mag.
What harm does it do?

The problem being that it should be controled, properly created.
By companies such as Private.

They also educated to an extent, maybe not so much on saftey altho some do stress the use of protection. But education in sexual pleasure.
If they are interested in sex, nothings going to stop them.

I remember at school (about 12) being told that real life sex is nothing like the porn films, by this age I had seen a couple :rolleyes:
And too this day I think our teacher was very wrong in saying that.
Ok so the old plummer and Private Eye storylines of the 70&#39;s were a bit much, but that all went, the sex is how sex is and should be. Hot steamy and fun :)

So.........I find it hard to put an age on this, I&#39;d say a normal man/woman /m/m w/w film should be 15.
Mags should be 15.
Harder material dealing in specific sexuality and acts such as bondage should be 18, for saftey reasons.

And so speaks your resident pervert :lol: :lol:

Jonno B)

[Yogi]

The problem being that it should be controled, properly created.
By companies such as Private.


Now that&#39;s a big OOPS&#33;&#33;&#33;

Private &#39;s way of "creating" is sooo sickening.

Ever seen a documentary on their way of producing???

Disgusting......

And the output is porn without any emotion or creativity. Not my cup of tea.........



Yogi

[Ella]

Originally posted by SensualGardening@3 February 2004 - 20:33
I actually get scared by those comments. And that&#39;s mildly put........


Go ahead, Yogs. I&#39;m stating an opinion. I can&#39;t control how you feel about it, mate. Sorry, but it&#39;s something I feel pretty strongly over.

[Billy_Dean]

Some of the reasons to keep it 18 are 1. This is the age of ID&#39;s, you can&#39;t issue a kid of 15 ID to buy porn mags. 2. At 18 you are legally an adult, free to choose. 3. If the age were lowered, you&#39;d get young girls being lured into the sex industry when they are at too yound and too impressionable an age.

However mature you 14 and 15 year olds think you are, you&#39;re wrong. A scheming adult would take you apart. A sexual predator would eat you. You need protecting until such times as you are able to look after yourselves.

You have to draw the line somewhere, that should be at adulthood. l want my kids, and other&#39;s kids protected. Your 15 year old son having a Playboy under his pillow is not the issue here.

[j4y3m]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@3 February 2004 - 11:39
Some of the reasons to keep it 18 are 1. This is the age of ID&#39;s, you can&#39;t issue a kid of 15 ID to buy porn mags. 2. At 18 you are legally an adult, free to choose. 3. If the age were lowered, you&#39;d get young girls being lured into the sex industry when they are at too yound and too impressionable an age.

However mature you 14 and 15 year olds think you are, you&#39;re wrong. A scheming adult would take you apart. A sexual predator would eat you. You need protecting until such times as you are able to look after yourselves.

You have to draw the line somewhere, that should be at adulthood. l want my kids, and other&#39;s kids protected. Your 15 year old son having a Playboy under his pillow is not the issue here.
You can look without doing anything...

[DarthInsinuate]

pron for all - only because i&#39;m not 18 till June

[Yogi]

Originally posted by Ella+3 February 2004 - 14:37--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ella @ 3 February 2004 - 14:37)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-SensualGardening@3 February 2004 - 20:33
I actually get scared by those comments. And that&#39;s mildly put........


Go ahead, Yogs. I&#39;m stating an opinion. I can&#39;t control how you feel about it, mate. Sorry, but it&#39;s something I feel pretty strongly over. [/b][/quote]
Though they weren&#39;t my biological kids, i would be a serialkiller now if i did kill all

involved in screwing up their life........

But the stories i heard from my fosterkids............And in the varios institutions i

worked.............

And that&#39;s not "just" sexual abuse....., but also mental&#33;&#33;&#33;

The way i look at it, i&#39;m more concerned with neglecting and abusive parents,

than with the few sick people in this world, called peadophiles........(most of them

being victims becoming offenders.....)

As i don&#39;t have kids of my own, i can&#39;t talk from that perspective, but i can imagine

feelings as you describe, hey maybe i would even act that way, given the

circumstances..... I just would never promote them, like for instance BD.....

Killing vermin never helps, it just gives you a false impression of justice....

So basically it would be a selfish act, giving your kid the impression killing actually

solves problems.......

And there you have the circle people don&#39;t seem to get out.........



Yogi

[Adster]

free for everyone

what difference does it make if your 17 and 364 days year old at 11:59 pm???

does it mean that in 1 minute time you have all of a sudden become good enough for porn ?

blah

[Billy_Dean]

You have to draw a line, try getting in a pub the day before your 18th birthday. 364, 363, 362, 361, where does it stop?

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Originally posted by SensualGardening@3 February 2004 - 12:33


Now that&#39;s a big OOPS&#33;&#33;&#33;

Private &#39;s way of "creating" is sooo sickening.

Ever seen a documentary on their way of producing???

Disgusting......


I actually meant it&#39;s done safely, most of the Private stars use condoms, they are all clean and ALL over 21.

No porn is meaningful, it designed to arouse, not be romantic :rolleyes:



Your 15 year old son having a Playboy under his pillow is not the issue here.

Why is&#39;nt it?? It&#39;s porn&#33;
Come on you guys, how many of saw a porn movie before you were 18...........before you were 15?.........I did, do I got out hurting people? No, I&#39;m in a sturdy relationship and have been for 14 years.

Pedophiles will be around whether there&#39;s porn or not and no law is going to stop them. It&#39;s trajic but true.

This is a sick world. Full of a lot of sick things and people.

But to say porn is bad is no different from saying the internet is bad.
Most of these incidents happen now because of chat rooms.
Pedophiles have increased in number dramatically since the age of the internet.

Jonno B)

[Yogi]

I actually meant it&#39;s done safely, most of the Private stars use condoms, they are all clean and ALL over 21.

Not true. Over 18 that is and wearing condoms is nice if you also treat people with respect.


No porn is meaningful, it designed to arouse, not be romantic

I never mentioned romance.

But only try to listen to 1 private-flick.........

Any idea why 90% of the private girls come from east-europe???

Nowhere you get the impression the girls actually have fun.........

And, yes, there &#39;s a lot of pOrn where that is the case, at least where you get the

idea the girls have some say in what happens........ and in some cases really have

fun...


Yogi



Yogi

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Yogi dude , I&#39;ve seen many documantaries on porn makers, Private is one of the most respected in the business :)

Laura Angel, Kata Lynn, Cassandra Wild, Dolly Buster , Sylvia Saint , Tonisha Mills&#33;

To name but a few all make shit loads of money and love doing it.
They come from all over, admitedly mostly Germany, but some from the US and various other places.

My point is, it&#39;s properly produced :)

And I had a thought, it&#39;s legal in this country to have sex, Straight or gay , 2 years before you can buy porn.
THAT makes no sense&#33;

Jonno B)

[Yogi]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@3 February 2004 - 16:03
Yogi dude , I&#39;ve seen many documantaries on porn makers, Private is one of the most respected in the business :)

Laura Angel, Kata Lynn, Cassandra Wild, Dolly Buster , Sylvia Saint , Tonisha Mills&#33;

To name but a few all make shit loads of money and love doing it.
They come from all over, admitedly mostly Germany, but some from the US and various other places.

My point is, it&#39;s properly produced :)

And I had a thought, it&#39;s legal in this country to have sex, Straight or gay , 2 years before you can buy porn.
THAT makes no sense&#33;

Jonno B)
Okay, i leave it at that.

You obviously have a different view.

But take a look at Pierre Woodman&#39;s so called "Audition&#39;s" and you get my drift....

And, oh, most doc&#39;s on pr0n are made by.........pr0ncompany&#39;s&#33;&#33;&#33;



Yogi

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Ok me and you is not gonna argue dude :hug: (get ya hand off me butt :lol: )

I will just say that the docs I&#39;ve seen were exploiting Porn companies, showing all their bad sides, really quite disturbing, but the interviews were very interesting :)

We&#39;s cool Brah :hug:

You and me know waaaaay too much about porn :lol: :lol:

Jonno B)

[j4y3m]

The votes are tied.

[Yogi]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@3 February 2004 - 16:14






Ok me and you is not gonna argue dude :hug:&nbsp; (get ya hand off me butt :lol: )


Y&#39; right&#33;&#33;
But i will argue about that hand&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol: :lol: :lol:



We&#39;s cool Brah :hug:


WTF???

We are Hot&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol: :lol:


You and me know waaaaay too much about porn :lol:&nbsp; :lol:


Talk for yourself&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol:

It&#39;s a lifelong study&#33;&#33;&#33; :P B) ;) :">






:wub:

Yogi

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Originally posted by SensualGardening+3 February 2004 - 14:20--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SensualGardening @ 3 February 2004 - 14:20)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JONNO_CELEBS@3 February 2004 - 16:14




[/b][/quote]
:lol: :lol:


Y&#39; right&#33;&#33;
But i will argue about that hand&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:

:ph34r: What was it then? :P


WTF???

We are Hot&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&nbsp; :lol:

No, at the mo I&#39;m cold :ph34r: But Hot too :01: B)


Talk for yourself&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol:

It&#39;s a lifelong study&#33;&#33;&#33; :P&nbsp; B)&nbsp; ;) :">

I stopped watching porn.........oh must have been..........a couple of hours ago :lol: :lol:


Jonno B)

[Yogi]

stopped watching porn.........oh must have been..........a couple of hours ago

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I know the feeling&#33;&#33;
I stop everyday&#33;&#33;&#33;

:P Yogi

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Same as I give up smoking ever hour or so :lol:

Jonno B)

[Skweeky]

The possibilities are a bit black and white though. I don&#39;t think you&#39;d have to be 18 to watch porn, but I don&#39;t think it&#39;s healthy to show a 7-year old all the ins and outs of an exciting sexlife :lol: . I think parent should decide this. No child is the same, some are ahead, some are behind :)

[Yogi]

Originally posted by Skweeky@3 February 2004 - 16:41
The possibilities are a bit black and white though. I don&#39;t think you&#39;d have to be 18 to watch porn, but I don&#39;t think it&#39;s healthy to show a 7-year old all the ins and outs of an exciting sexlife :lol: . I think parent should decide this. No child is the same, some are ahead, some are behind :)
Ohhh, Skweek&#33;&#33;&#33; ;)

Thank you............

My point made.

Yogi

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Originally posted by Skweeky@3 February 2004 - 14:41
The possibilities are a bit black and white though. I don&#39;t think you&#39;d have to be 18 to watch porn, but I don&#39;t think it&#39;s healthy to show a 7-year old all the ins and outs of an exciting sexlife :lol: . I think parent should decide this. No child is the same, some are ahead, some are behind :)
Oh I never disputed that at all :)
I agree, I just think if someone can legally have sex at 16 then how come they can&#39;t watch porn?
Just silly really :rolleyes:

Anyhoo, I&#39;m gonna go play my guitar :)

Stay cool my fellow pervs :lol: :lol:

Jonno B)

[j4y3m]

Cya. B)

[j2k4]

One point, here.

Porn can&#39;t be "regulated" or "administered" on a case-by-case basis, according to a child&#39;s relative maturity.

It would have to be managed "totally", or not at all-this is a purely logistical obstacle that cannot be overcome.

Also-

Those who say, "If you don&#39;t like it, don&#39;t look...", or "Change the channel..", or similar drivel?

That&#39;s like saying, if you don&#39;t like the smog, don&#39;t breathe the air.

No matter what anyone says, the net cultural and social effect of porn is negative; there are people who shouldn&#39;t be within miles of the stuff who are immersed in it, and preying on others as we speak.

Your right to view porn shouldn&#39;t outweigh a youngster&#39;s safety, but that, unfortunately, is where we&#39;re at.

The people who practice perversion don&#39;t even seek to hide their activity anymore, they want it recognized as normal, and legally sanctioned; witness NAMBLA.

Hard to wrap my mind around that one. :(

[Yogi]

Nambla is peanuts compared to what the churchleaders in America caused....

At least NAMBLA says what they&#39;re about, how sick that may be.......

Pushing childmolestors to dungeons only makes them harder to get.(and harsher

when it comes to covering up their crimes.......)

It&#39;s what you don&#39;t see, that scares me.

If no-one opposed to the NAMBLA, there would be something seriously wrong&#33;&#33;&#33;

But that&#39;s not the case, happily&#33;&#33;

One more: My guess is that NAMLA-members are only a very small group

compared to the parents, priests, social workers, etc. that can&#39;t tell right from

wrong.

If we really want to change things, it&#39;s important to notice that this world we live in

is created by people, like you and me.......

Making each and everyone responsible for what going on.........

Pointing at "just" the "peadophiles" is shortsided and won&#39;t help one bit..........


Yogi

[j2k4]

Not pointing only at pedophiles, Yogi.

Without getting into it further right now, my point was that NAMBLA seeks a legal backstop for their activity; the activity of predatory priests, while hideous, wasn&#39;t an attempt to take a judicial "end-run" to legality.

[Yogi]

Originally posted by j2k4@3 February 2004 - 18:41
Not pointing only at pedophiles, Yogi.

Without getting into it further right now, my point was that NAMBLA seeks a legal backstop for their activity; the activity of predatory priests, while hideous, wasn&#39;t an attempt to take a judicial "end-run" to legality.
Okay.



Still i&#39;d rather deal with sick people trying to get legallity(wich they won&#39;t get), than

the priests etc. who just take that "right" and wanna make us believe how holy they

are........ ;)

That was my point.


Yogi

[FUJIFILM]

wow close race

[Marius24]

i think it should be for a certain age limit but 18 is stupid&#33;

im 14 and admit that i do look at porn and find it perfectly natural and i know that i am at a suitable age wether other people say i am or not


edit. I think there should be a age limit such as 13 or 14 only because thats the age we learn about it at school so if its the right age to learn about it educationally it should be a suitable age to watch it

[Mad Cat]

Porn area for 18+ only.

Although you probably can&#39;t control what the youns &#39;uns do either :P

[j2k4]

Originally posted by SensualGardening+3 February 2004 - 12:47--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SensualGardening &#064; 3 February 2004 - 12:47)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-j2k4@3 February 2004 - 18:41
Not pointing only at pedophiles, Yogi.

Without getting into it further right now, my point was that NAMBLA seeks a legal backstop for their activity; the activity of predatory priests, while hideous, wasn&#39;t an attempt to take a judicial "end-run" to legality.
Okay.



Still i&#39;d rather deal with sick people trying to get legallity(wich they won&#39;t get), than

the priests etc. who just take that "right" and wanna make us believe how holy they

are........ ;)

That was my point.


Yogi[/b][/quote]
It is difficult to quantify the breech of trust anent the priests.

We should be able to expect certain things to remain sacrosanct.

Priests are human, but they are supposed to be exceptional humans.

[TARPD]

:blink: you cant blame peadophilia on porn. theyre 2 different things that happen to involve sex.

[J'Pol]

Sorry I can&#39;t vote on this.

I agree with J2, there would have to be a definition of pornography before one could decide what age it would be appropriate to. I am sure the views of people here differ.

Would for example a documentary with regard to nudistry be considered porn, if it included full frontal shots on a beach. Would a film about a glamour shoot be pornography. If the model held her legs wide open would it then be porn. Does it have to involve penetration to be porn.

It is simply unpossible to answer this question as it stands.

[TARPD]

is mtv porn?

[j2k4]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@3 February 2004 - 14:37
It is simply unpossible to answer this question as it stands.
Thank you, J&#39;Pol.

You&#39;ve pointed out the relevancy I failed to post. ;)

I didn&#39;t vote, either.

[TARPD]

well FYI its close but yes is winning. i voted whats pron

edit:
Yes&#33; Porn should be free for everyone to access&#33; Sex is something perfectly normal and natural&#33; [ 34 ] [52.31%]
Just for 18+ (your reason please) [ 28 ] [43.08%]
Not at all&#33; Porn should not exist at all&#33; But the movies&#33; [ 1 ] [1.54%]
What is porn?&#33; [ 2 ] [3.08%]
Total Votes: 65

[fugley]

Sorry but I aint to keen on porns - porn cocktails are ok but its really the sauce I like and the bit of lettuce.


Porns always remind me of grasshoppers or some other insect. King porns are really revolting - to me they look like locusts.

:blink:

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by fugley@3 February 2004 - 19:48
Sorry but I aint to keen on porns - porn cocktails are ok but its really the sauce I like and the bit of lettuce.


Porns always remind me of grasshoppers or some other insect. King porns are really revolting - to me they look like locusts.

:blink:
I have an old porograph for playing my 78s on.

[Marius24]

Originally posted by fugley@3 February 2004 - 17:48
Sorry but I aint to keen on porns - porn cocktails are ok but its really the sauce I like and the bit of lettuce.


Porns always remind me of grasshoppers or some other insect. King porns are really revolting - to me they look like locusts.

:blink:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[4th gen]

I voted 18+. I don&#39;t see why pornography should be banished. I don&#39;t agree with appearances of porn on this forum though. If people want porn they can look elsewhere.

[CoolMac]

:lol: :lol: long live porn :lol:

[Biggles]

Interesting collection of ideas here, although I disagree with Fugely - I like the prons, the sauce can be bit strange unless it is real mayonaisse.

The depiction of sex and sexual activity appears to have been submerged in discussions relating to criminal acts on minors and exploitation of unwilling models. All aspects of human activity are subject to crime, violence and exploitation. Land is stolen in the third world to grow cash crops. Should we avoid showing children pictures of jars of Nescafe or starving children?

By the time children have reached an age when they wish to look at, for want of a better term, porn, the hormones have exploded and no amount of tutting and moralising will stem their curiosity. Children who have not reached this age will either giggle or say yeuch and move on to the Gundam Wing site they tried to find in the first place. I am not sure I see the connection between static library pictures and predators or inducement to become a porn star. Whilst everybody deplores these things they are not particularly pertinent to the question.

Consequently, I think that sites that display such images should have an opening page stating the contents therin. Nothing more is required. I would not be in favour of random images popping up willy nilly <_< as this is an imposition on those who choose to not look at such things.

As to specific ages, it is difficult to determine. In Scotland 16 year olds can marry without consent of the parents. It would seem rather bizarre to say they are too young to see what they can do in practice.

I don&#39;t think this is age issue to be honest. Neither is any protection from exploitation - we all need it, from the granny stuck in the money grasping granny farm, to the poor farmer who finds someone has used dodgy legal means to take his land, to the child in the play park left to play alone.

I do lecture my kids about security and safety on the web but I don&#39;t try to police their every activity. I do encourage debate on matters relating to sex, morals, science or religion. There are no "no go" areas and I enjoy finding out what they think without censure and prejudice.

To somehow try to cocoon them till they are 18 seems unnatural to me - but that is simply my opinion and I accept that others might feel very uncomfortable doing anything other than that.

Fugely, I do agree that King Prons are a tad unnerving - neither pron nor lobster, bit like Julian Clary.

[J'Pol]

RUN


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[h1]

I have to agree with J&#39;Pol and j2k4. A decision cannot be made the definition of pornography is established.

[Yogi]

Originally posted by j2k4+3 February 2004 - 20:09--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 @ 3 February 2004 - 20:09)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by SensualGardening@3 February 2004 - 12:47
<!--QuoteBegin-j2k4@3 February 2004 - 18:41
Not pointing only at pedophiles, Yogi.

Without getting into it further right now, my point was that NAMBLA seeks a legal backstop for their activity; the activity of predatory priests, while hideous, wasn&#39;t an attempt to take a judicial "end-run" to legality.
Okay.



Still i&#39;d rather deal with sick people trying to get legallity(wich they won&#39;t get), than

the priests etc. who just take that "right" and wanna make us believe how holy they

are........ ;)

That was my point.


Yogi
It is difficult to quantify the breech of trust anent the priests.

We should be able to expect certain things to remain sacrosanct.

Priests are human, but they are supposed to be exceptional humans. [/b][/quote]
Not by me, sir&#33;&#33;&#33;

I just hold their offences beyond any other, while they abuse(d )their position as

a.o . priests. I blame the church for covering up for ages.

And please try to write in "english"; Anent and sacrosanct......... ;)


Yogi

[superdude]

Its good to know that my poll was posted and it has really picked up some controversy.

The poll was posted wrong. Nothing like posting youself&#33;

There were some other comments i wanted to add, but i didnt add them when i PM&#39;d bot.

Pornography is explicit pictures or videos of sexual activity, or nudity.
Some consider that nudity is ok. I think so myself. But try to walk around the street naked. Go the nearest Starbucks and see if you will get a coffee served... AH&#33; we dont really agree now? do we?

Oh yeah&#33; i think that i missed some options. There should be a 15+ option.
i that you reach an age where you can handle tougher stuff.
i remember the first porn movie i watched, i was like 13, i was shivering... i dont know why... still, anyway, i got over it. now i laugh when i see that.

They might take you to perversion, the images that is.

Thanks to all replyers&#33;

[Marius24]

Originally posted by superdude@5 February 2004 - 08:08
i that you reach an age where you can handle tougher stuff.
i remember the first porn movie i watched, i was like 13, i was shivering... i dont know why... still, anyway, i got over it. now i laugh when i see that.
yea when i was younger i didnt like watchin bad stuff, but now i find it ok :)

[evildon]

I would define porn as:

Any depiction of an act that is designed to illict an erotic response upon the viewer.Actual success is not neccessary but motivation is..hence an artwork of a nude is not porn unless the artist himself actually intended to arouse a sexual response from you howere a really bad erotic cartoon is..even if it is so bad that it doesn&#39;t affect you...the intent was there..

wow..thast kinda deep..

i voted for 18+..and I agree thata teen looking at porn is not the end of the world..however if I was a parent and I was trying to brainwash?raise? my kid I would want to be able to have more control on the images he/she might see at a young age espicially if I am trying to instill my own social morales into the minds and souls of my children...

[j2k4]

Originally posted by evildon@6 February 2004 - 01:57
...my kid I would want to be able to have more control on the images he/she might see at a young age espicially if I am trying to instill my own social morales into the minds and souls of my children...
evildon-

Are you aware of the efforts, through legislative and legal means, to prevent you imbuing your children with anything?

It would seem you have the correct idea as to parental responsibility and influence; be advised the liberal establishment has a different assessment as to your role in raising children.

[fugley]

Originally posted by j2k4+6 February 2004 - 18:17--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 @ 6 February 2004 - 18:17)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-evildon@6 February 2004 - 01:57
...my kid I would want to be able to have more control on the images he/she might see at a young age espicially if I am trying to instill my own social morales into the minds and souls of my children...
evildon-

Are you aware of the efforts, through legislative and legal means, to prevent you imbuing your children with anything?

It would seem you have the correct idea as to parental responsibility and influence; be advised the liberal establishment has a different assessment as to your role in raising children. [/b][/quote]
darn it I was gonna say that&#33; :blink:

[Mr. Mulder]

18+ :unsure:

[kaiweiler]

option 1....obviously
the first thing around you when you were born was your moms cunt stretched around your little body, that is perfectly normal, yet your not allowed to see a naked human being in a movie, internet, or in person? thats bullshit
the female body is a beautiful thing and should be shared and shown off to anyone and everyone, as for the male body, only if you swing that way, i dont but some do i guess

[Biggles]

Originally posted by kaiweiler@6 February 2004 - 21:38

the female body is a beautiful thing and should be shared and shown off to anyone and everyone, as for the male body, only if you swing that way, i dont but some do i guess
One or two interesting assumptions here. :lol:

1) Don&#39;t the girls get a say in the matter?

2) The male body - I am only guessing here, but a few girls might also "swing that way" hence you are looking at 50% of the population.


:lol:

[fugley]

Originally posted by Biggles+6 February 2004 - 22:17--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Biggles @ 6 February 2004 - 22:17)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-kaiweiler@6 February 2004 - 21:38

the female body is a beautiful thing and should be shared and shown off to anyone and everyone, as for the male body, only if you swing that way, i dont but some do i guess
One or two interesting assumptions here. :lol:

1) Don&#39;t the girls get a say in the matter?

2) The male body - I am only guessing here, but a few girls might also "swing that way" hence you are looking at 50% of the population.


:lol: [/b][/quote]
mmmmmmm nice plane Mr Biggles.

Tas got me a contemplatin. :blink:

[bujub22]

i iiiii wanta beat my meat yah ...... :blink: :unsure: o this not the bathroom sorry :lol: ............................. bye :D :01:

[evildon]

Originally posted by j2k4+6 February 2004 - 18:17--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 @ 6 February 2004 - 18:17)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-evildon@6 February 2004 - 01:57
...my kid I would want to be able to have more control on the images he/she might see at a young age espicially if I am trying to instill my own social morales into the minds and souls of my children...
evildon-

Are you aware of the efforts, through legislative and legal means, to prevent you imbuing your children with anything?

It would seem you have the correct idea as to parental responsibility and influence; be advised the liberal establishment has a different assessment as to your role in raising children. [/b][/quote]
Yes but no law can stop the kids neurons from firing and even with all the laws that have been passed so far I can find loopholes and i am not a brain surgeon....your kids peer group has more influence then you or the goverment ever will have and the kids social order functions like a bio-feedback loop..hence presidential canadites that go on MTV and use kids slang and try to look cool...hell you had the 60 minutes veteran newsguys getting their ears pierced because it was the fad of the week...parents have less and less of an impact ever generation and its not goverments fault....it&#39;s a broad soup of reasons..and the main one is...data and exchange of information...as the world gets smaller and smaller and kids grow up quicker and quicker the kids in question choose what priority of importance to assign to the data coming in...and they question EVERYTHING it has become human nature..no longer can parents say"because I said so" and get by with it...and this is happening all over even under regimes that have stricter laws than the US...Hence to get back on topic I could see how a parent has the right to TRY to limit their kids access to certain data in the hopes that the parents can affect the outcome of said child....but I know of some kids and we here of this all the time who have money a good education a religious upbringing and still go bad..we all look for things to blame..the goverment whatever...I hate to say this..but had a friends son who broke down and admitted that sometimes he and his friends are bad.."JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO BE" exact quote....its a choice...all a parent can do is try to do the best that they can do and hope..whether porn fits in is up to the parents so i voted 18+...it should be 18+ or at parental discretion..to be how i actually feel...

[j2k4]

I agree that a parent can, using a lot of creativity, still influence their children, but, what you call "government" (think, Hillary "It Takes a Village" Clinton), tacitly acknowledging and guiding the courts, is culpable for the lack of parental primacy in child-rearing; yes....peer-pressure, et. al. are hindrances, but if you look a bit harder, I think you&#39;ll find what were considered 25-30 years ago to be parental prerogatives have been undercut by the courts.

In any case, I&#39;m glad you take an interest-hope you are not the last. :)

[evildon]

Originally posted by j2k4@7 February 2004 - 21:19
I agree that a parent can, using a lot of creativity, still influence their children, but, what you call "government" (think, Hillary "It Takes a Village" Clinton), tacitly acknowledging and guiding the courts, is culpable for the lack of parental primacy in child-rearing; yes....peer-pressure, et. al. are hindrances, but if you look a bit harder, I think you&#39;ll find what were considered 25-30 years ago to be parental prerogatives have been undercut by the courts.

In any case, I&#39;m glad you take an interest-hope you are not the last. :)
and 25 to 30 yrs ago you didnt have cell phones or the internet....the tribal bonding of kids are getting stronger then parental bonds and the goverment has little effect on that..it didnt start it and it cant stop it....no past civilization has had the information/data glut and ease of access that we are coming into. just like moveable type and the printing press brought on the French reveloution. not the romans...ottomans..turks nothing...technology is changing so quickly that only the young or truely dedicated can keep up...we have reached the point where tech growth is surpassing our laws by leaps and bounds and the young realize this even on a subliminal level...ironic kinda..our lifespan is increasing but only the younger ones of us will be able to keep up with our changing tech...the older ones will all be like Anne Rice vampires...so lost due to constant culture shock that they hafta hook up with some one of that generation(by making them a vamp) or going insane....

I know this is mostly off topic altho stems from the 18+ porn thing..and dont wanna hijack this thread or anything..but feel free if u have anything to add discuss..whatever not sure if there is enuf in this for a seperate topic tho...anyhow yes I take an interest..I am keen on observing societal traits and indicators of what we are...

[j2k4]

I think, if you are as interested as you say, you might enjoy a book by Judge Robert Bork (yes, THAT Robert Bork) called, "Slouching Towards Gomorah".
It explains my POV better than I could can, insofar as what I see being responsible for the "tribalism", etc., that you attest to. ;)

[VaVaVoom]

Originally posted by j2k4@8 February 2004 - 02:29
I think, if you are as interested as you say, you might enjoy a book by Judge Robert Bork (yes, THAT Robert Bork) called, "Slouching Towards Gomorah".
It explains my POV better than I could can, insofar as what I see being responsible for the "tribalism", etc., that you attest to. ;)
Hmm, obviously parodying Yeats&#39;s "slouching towards Bethlehem to be born".

Was that really Bork??

[j2k4]

Originally posted by VaVaVoom+7 February 2004 - 22:34--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (VaVaVoom @ 7 February 2004 - 22:34)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-j2k4@8 February 2004 - 02:29
I think, if you are as interested as you say, you might enjoy a book by Judge Robert Bork (yes, THAT Robert Bork) called, "Slouching Towards Gomorah".
It explains my POV better than I could can, insofar as what I see being responsible for the "tribalism", etc., that you attest to. ;)
Hmm, obviously parodying Yeats&#39;s "slouching towards Bethlehem to be born".

Was that really Bork?? [/b][/quote]
Yes it was, and I believe you have caught his inspiration, also.

Well done. ;)

[Billy_Dean]

l&#39;ve never been to the States, so l can&#39;t comment on people&#39;s attitude towards sex there. However, there are certain anomalies that make one wonder what is in the minds of some of you. Janet Jackson shows a tit and there is a government enquiry. And yet the trash you turn out as TV entertainment is one long blood fest. You can show people being killed in a million different ways, but god help you if you show a tit&#33; If she&#39;d done that on Australian TV she would have been hailed a hero.

My point is, does this affect American kids? Is the fact that sex is such a taboo, and violence commonplace, a reason America is such a violent place, yet so hung up about sex?


:)

[hermit777]

yeah right...would just like to add a point that has aready been spoken about
the good old u.s of america is always down on porn but never bats an eye at the endless violence it pumps out throu the media or it`s policy of taking over the world.....its not porn or erotica thats wrong....its violent or non consenting porn that is wrong........ :angry: .....adults making love is cool....even if you watch them :rolleyes: ......if every body taking part is fine

[icantwin]

yep

[Amarjit]

I don&#39;t really care for porn - personally hardcore just makes me wanna puke, topless, nude and playboy&#39;s the way&#33;

[j2k4]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@8 February 2004 - 02:08

My point is, does this affect American kids?&nbsp; Is the fact that sex is such a taboo, and violence commonplace, a reason America is such a violent place, yet so hung up about sex?


:)
Lots of things affect American kids, Billy.

We are in some kind of tizzy for the last 4 decades over it.

I have many thoughts on such subjects, but they resist coalescence.

Apropos of nothing, I find myself wondering whether "good, clean, wholesome entertainment" is/was an American phenomenon or if it ever existed elsewhere.

For the most part, it is (to quote our network Morning-Show Babe-ette, Katie Couric) a tempest in a C-cup.

What is more worrying to many is what it says about the state of our culture.

I agree as re: our television violence, music, etc., but this incident is a bit of another Rubicon crossed.

Not making much sense, here, but what&#39;s new, huh? :huh:

[evildon]

Originally posted by j2k4@8 February 2004 - 02:29
I think, if you are as interested as you say, you might enjoy a book by Judge Robert Bork (yes, THAT Robert Bork) called, "Slouching Towards Gomorah".
It explains my POV better than I could can, insofar as what I see being responsible for the "tribalism", etc., that you attest to. ;)
will read it tanks..there is someone coming here to make a speech..?/one man show? called "Slouching towards America"..but cant think of who it is..

[evildon]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@8 February 2004 - 06:08
l&#39;ve never been to the States, so l can&#39;t comment on people&#39;s attitude towards sex there. However, there are certain anomalies that make one wonder what is in the minds of some of you. Janet Jackson shows a tit and there is a government enquiry. And yet the trash you turn out as TV entertainment is one long blood fest. You can show people being killed in a million different ways, but god help you if you show a tit&#33; If she&#39;d done that on Australian TV she would have been hailed a hero.

My point is, does this affect American kids? Is the fact that sex is such a taboo, and violence commonplace, a reason America is such a violent place, yet so hung up about sex?


:)
I have always had a theory that sexual repression is the reason behind the fact that the us has more serial killers than any other industrilized nation....

That being said i can still understand why a parent might not want their kid to be exposed to certain things..be it porn..certain religions what ever..and while i dont necessarily agree with said parents choice..i can see the reasoning behind it..of course i believe the safety valve limiting exposure method is doomed for failure in this age...(just like a country trying to repress certain ideas on its citizens or in this case goverments can do much short of all out civil war to stop it..same for the family.....if said citizens get access to other data especially conflicting data they will start thinking for themselves and make choices..both bad ones and good ones..soley based on themselves or what their social order states..

I believe we are more violent because each succeding generation has chosen to be violent for a variety of reasons...not the least of which is THAT VIOLENCE WORKS....if u want an oil field and u are bigger..take it..if u have nukes and everyone is scared of u(North Korea) the world will cut deals with u and show u respect....The girl goes after the jocks for the most part and the alpha males..this an inherited biological response because a violent male will by defintion be ablle to protect her and offspring better then a weaker subdued male..simple biology...and this becomes a self-fullfilling prophecy once u start to believe that the word is getting more deadly every day:

World deadly..Iraq..bird flu..crime..female sees this on subconcious level..chooses alpha male to protect her during these times...alpha males genes passed down including more viloent tendencies..also other males take on persona of more violent males in order to mate this in turn creates each succeding generation to be evn more aggrsive and u go back to step 1...

[evildon]

Originally posted by Amarjit@8 February 2004 - 13:07
I don&#39;t really care for porn - personally hardcore just makes me wanna puke, topless, nude and playboy&#39;s the way&#33;
we are exaxtly opposite but thats ok...&#33;

[evildon]

BTw even if u r reading this and totally disagee..thanks for not getting all fraky about it..and for the posts..they are all good and just am constantly pleastenly suprised by peeps on here...for the most part anyhos..and I cant spell...i know..hungry..

[Mathea]

Well, I chose the 18+ bc I couldnt choose the free one....... Id be unemployeed if it was all free. lol

[internet.news]

I don&#39;t love porn - only some half decent naked maybe - but as I am opened...

first option.

[evildon]

Originally posted by Mathea@9 February 2004 - 18:43
Well, I chose the 18+ bc I couldnt choose the free one....... Id be unemployeed if it was all free. lol
Do u enjoy your job?

[abu_has_the_power]

PORN ALL THE WAY&#33; UN HUH, UN HUH.


porn is a great stress releaver

[seiya_33]

yup , porn for everybody , just kidding there should be some restriction , but dont ruin the party for the rest.

[Mathea]

Originally posted by evildon+10 February 2004 - 02:16--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (evildon @ 10 February 2004 - 02:16)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mathea@9 February 2004 - 18:43
Well, I chose the 18+ bc I couldnt choose the free one....... Id be unemployeed if it was all free. lol
Do u enjoy your job? [/b][/quote]
Well after working there for awhile you become jaded,lol... and its more like any other retail store. But this is the first place Ive worked where I get along with everyone I work with (for the most part anyway), and the job is really flexible (no pun intended). That, and its the only job I can get away with not working&#33;

/me is lazy lol

So yeah, its alright. There&#39;s the freaks, but for the most part its another boring job...save for the few "war stories". That and I maced myself once. Oops. hehe

[Wolfmight]

I&#39;m going with 18, because if everyone could watch it, there would probably be more young 13-15 year old pregnant girls. I dont like the fact of it now, but it would get worse if there wernt the law, because the people with strict parents would start fuckin girls also lol. I also wish "Sex Education" was required in every highschool. No no no, i know there&#39;s a "Health Class Requirement", but having half a year of "Sex Education" only would even get the word through the class clowns&#39; heads.

[evildon]

Originally posted by Mathea+10 February 2004 - 04:20--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mathea @ 10 February 2004 - 04:20)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by evildon@10 February 2004 - 02:16
<!--QuoteBegin-Mathea@9 February 2004 - 18:43
Well, I chose the 18+ bc I couldnt choose the free one....... Id be unemployeed if it was all free. lol
Do u enjoy your job?
Well after working there for awhile you become jaded,lol... and its more like any other retail store. But this is the first place Ive worked where I get along with everyone I work with (for the most part anyway), and the job is really flexible (no pun intended). That, and its the only job I can get away with not working&#33;

/me is lazy lol

So yeah, its alright. There&#39;s the freaks, but for the most part its another boring job...save for the few "war stories". That and I maced myself once. Oops. hehe [/b][/quote]
I have a couple of friends that work in two stores....I sometimes just go in to chat..of course I buy too silly...always amazes me to see adults come in and be so self-conscious about the whole thing..I&#39;ll be talking to the employee like I am at wal-mart or any other store and some customers just run in..see someone else there and leave....sheesh...if i was that uptight I&#39;d never go in one..had a girl come up to me and asked if I&#39;d go in and buy porn for her&#33; and she was 23..I knew her&#33; but she was to embarresed&#33; talk about repressed feelings and wants&#33;

you sound as klutzy as me..&#33;

was talking to a new girl working in one about the older porn musicals...she hadnt even heard of them...I have been trying to find them forever..cant tho

[Mathea]

a porn musical huh? We just got one movie in, but all it says is: Filmed in Music Video style xxx or somethin along those lines. go figure. And yeah, anything that takes batteries we gotta test first... and the looks on peoples faces when we start opening the packages&#33; Hell, Ive seen ppl turn all different shades over the slightest thing, and grown adults giggle like schoolgirls. hehehe. its funny imo :D

[evildon]

Originally posted by Mathea@10 February 2004 - 07:00
a porn musical huh? We just got one movie in, but all it says is: Filmed in Music Video style xxx or somethin along those lines. go figure. And yeah, anything that takes batteries we gotta test first... and the looks on peoples faces when we start opening the packages&#33; Hell, Ive seen ppl turn all different shades over the slightest thing, and grown adults giggle like schoolgirls. hehehe. its funny imo :D
Funny is some cases kinda sad/scary in others..yeah...there was a whole slew of porn musicals released back in..the seventys? not sure I have only got one it&#39;s Alice in Wonderland....and some of the singing is actually good. They did a good job on adapting the plot although they left out the Cheshshire cat...The White Rabbit is supposedly some mainstream actor in England now..or became one?....there was one based on Cinderella also..it was a musical and really quite funny....There were some more...

[Mathea]

We have Jolean and the pussycats, but I dunno if its a musical or not

[evildon]

never heard of it....the girl working at the store that i went to last wants me to copy Alice in Wonderland for her...but i havent even got my vcrs hooked up...will hafta wait