Graphics Card Guide

[bigdawgfoxx]

Graphics Card Guide as of 4/04

This is a guide for those of you who are looking for graphics cards.

This thread will be updated weekly.

First, lets start with a little information on the two biggest leaders in graphics card production:

· ATI
ATI makes some of the best graphics cards available. ATIs' line of graphics card that supports DirectX 9 is the Radeon Series.

·Nvidia
Nvidia is the other leading graphics card company. Nvidias DirectX 9 version of graphics cards is the FX series.

· Drivers

ATI's latest set of drivers can be found here.
Catlyst 4.4 Drivers (http://ati.com/support/driver.html)
Select your Operating System, Graphics Driver, Then your family of cards.

Nvidia's latest set of drivers can be found here.
ForceWare Release 50 (http://nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp)
Select Graphics Driver, Your familiy of cards, Then your Operating System.

· Graphics Cards

Here is a pretty extensive list of the newer cards produced by both companies.

· Low-End Cards

ATI
These cards will range in price from about $40-$100.

Radeon 7000 32MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=84759&Sku=D10-2000&CatId=1088)
Radeon 7000 64MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=674185&Sku=C261-6051&CatId=1088)
Radeon 7500LE 128MB (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-346&depa=0)
Radeon 8500 128MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=637998&Sku=A177-3017&CatId=1088)
Radeon 9000 64MB (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-337&depa=0)
Radeon 9000Pro 128MB (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-131-189&depa=0)
Radeon 9100 128MB (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-343&depa=0)
Radeon 9200SE 128MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=612133&Sku=C261-6042&CatId=1088)
Radeon 9200 64MB (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-282&depa=0)
Radeon 9200 128MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp)
Radeon 9200 256MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=587444&Sku=C261-6043&CatId=1088)


Nvidia

GeForce2 MX200 32MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=24236&Sku=P56-2611&CatId=1087)
GeForce2 MX400 32MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=697008&Sku=E145-1009&CatId=1087)
GeForce2 MX400 64MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=697006&Sku=E145-1025&CatId=1087)
GeForce4 MX420 64MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=24380&Sku=P56-2645&CatId=1087)
GeForce4 MX440SE 64MB (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-130-171&depa=0)
GeForce4 MX440SE 128MB (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-130-148&depa=0)
GeForce4 MX440 64MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=161766&Sku=P56-2732&CatId=1087)
GeForce4 MX400 128MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=86246&Sku=P450-7253&CatId=1087)
GeForce4 Ti4200 128MB (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-121-161&depa=0)
GeForce FX5200 128MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=674963&Sku=P450-8602&CatId=1087)
GeForce FX5200 Ultra 128MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=161746&Sku=P56-2702%20W&CatId=1087)
GeForce FX5200 256MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=686471&Sku=C460-7006&CatId=1087)

· Mid-Range Cards
These cards will range in price from about $100-$190.

ATI

Radeon 9600SE 128MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=699285&Sku=A271-9600&CatId=1088)
Radeon 9600 128MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=588567&Sku=V261-3121&CatId=1088)
Radeon 9600Pro 128MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=624858&Sku=F451-9601&CatId=1088)
Radeon 9600XT 128MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=699286&Sku=A271-9601&CatId=1088)
Radeon 9800SE 128MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=699287&Sku=A271-9800&CatId=1088)

Nvidia

GeForce4 Ti4600 128MB (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-127-077&depa=0)
GeForce4 Ti4800SE 128MB (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-145-040&depa=0)
GeForce FX5600XT 128MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=697012&Sku=E145-5600&CatId=1087)
GeForce FX5600XT 256MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=686474&Sku=C460-7012&CatId=1087)
GeForce FX5600 128MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=33693&Sku=P450-8507&CatId=1087)
GeForce FX5600 256MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=24247&Sku=P56-2711&CatId=1087)
GeForce FX5600 Ultra 128MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=93632&Sku=E145-5601&CatId=1087)
GeForce FX5700 128MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=697011&Sku=E145-5700&CatId=1087)
GeForce FX5700 256MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=29519&Sku=P450-8514&CatId=1087)

· High-End Cards
These cards will range in price from about $170-$500.

ATI

Radeon 9700 128MB (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-131-201R&depa=0)
Radeon 9700Pro 128MB (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-131-199&depa=0)
Radeon 9800Pro 128MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=624860&Sku=F451-9801&CatId=1088)
Radeon 9800Pro 256MB (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-240-008&depa=0)
Radeon 9800XT 256MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=673883&Sku=V261-3026&CatId=1088)
***
X800Pro 256MB (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-375&depa=0)

Nvidia

GeForce FX5700 Ultra 128MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=686476&Sku=C460-7014&CatId=1087)
GeForce FX5900SE 128MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=696848&Sku=E145-5900&CatId=1087)
GeForce FX5900XT 128MB (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-150-051&depa=0)
GeForce FX5900 128MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=617440&Sku=P56-2718&CatId=1087)
GeForce FX5900 Ultra 256MB (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-143-012&depa=0)
GeForce FX5950 Ultra 256MB (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=671805&Sku=P56-2722&CatId=1087)
***
GeForce 6800 256MB (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-130-202&depa=0)
GeForce 6800GT 256MB (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-170-057&depa=0)
GeForce 6800Ultra 256MB (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-145-086&depa=0)

· Benchmarks

Here I will display pictures of various benchmarks produced by Tom's Hardware.

I will not say which card is best for your money unless you PM me. Look at these benchmarks and see which cards perform best.

Here are all the cards in this guide performing in some of your favorite games.

Unreal Tournament 2003

http://www.sighost.us/members/bigdawgfoxx/image009.gif

Call of Duty

http://www.sighost.us/members/bigdawgfoxx/image010.gif

·High Quality Benchmarks

Here are the high quality benchmarks. By this I mean that Anisotropic and Antialaising filtering is on. What these do is smooth out edges that may be ruff or jaged. These are the benchmarks you should look at if you want your games to look increadibly good.

Unreal Tournament 2003

http://www.sighost.us/members/bigdawgfoxx/ut03_high_quality.gif

Call of Duty

http://www.sighost.us/members/bigdawgfoxx/call_of_duty_high_quality.gif

Keep in mind that 30 frames per second is said to be very smooth with no jumping or jerkyness.

Tomshardware.com Source (http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/index.html)

It should be noted that the Nvidia cards with the XT symbol is the equivilant of the SE symbol. This is a lighter version of the card. It could have less pipelines, or slower memory and core speeds. These cards are slower then the non XT or SE cards.

· Graphics Card Reviews

Here are some of the places I recommend you looking if you want to see some in detail reviews on various graphics cards.

Overclockers.com (http://www.overclockers.com/topiclist/index30.asp)
Tomshardware.com (http://www.tomshardware.com/)
Xbitlabs.com (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/)
Anandtech.com (http://www.anandtech.com/video/index.html)

There it is. There is the complete list of low-end, mid-range, and high-end graphics cards from the two leading graphics card companies in the world.

Suggestions/Comments/Updates? Please PM me.

[neevakee]

very nice i hope this eliminates a lot of the questions. The whole board will be talking about this one :gossip: :D

[Dray_04]

Awesome bigdawg,

way better than my guide :( ..

lol, not that i spent much time on mine, but then we are both just trying to get an idea across to our peers

GOOD JOB :)

[abu_has_the_power]

good job both o ya. but i got a q. wat's the point that these threads are showing? :huh: so u get links to all the popular vd cards, ok... now wat?

[Dray_04]

it saves people asking the same questions such as "which card should i get, i only have so an so money, also what card will be good for my blah blah blah system, i really love playing blah blah so i wanna know which card is the best"

lol


...or sumthing like that

[peat moss]

Ya great after I bought mine too :lol: Ah pin both seems like video cards make the computer world go round B)




Hey kool can some one start a tweak guide for noobies now? Dwk I throw down the challenge . Just kidding bud :D

[j4y3m]

If I buy a Radeon 9800XT will it be able to play future games for atleast a couple of years?

[adamp2p]

Let me see here. Well nobody's going to have a problem with your intentions, big dawg; clearly they are good.

However, as far as a pinned topic goes, it is really hard to pin something that summarizes something as volitile as the graphics card market, which changes literally every day.

There are some instances where I noted that the links you provided were not really the cheapest available on todays market. Some of today's cheapest hardware can be found at allstarshop.com and zipzoomfly.com; but it really depends on what day of the week it is, if you know what I mean.

Another issue is the fact that a large proportion of the members of this forum do not live in the United States, and although many members do know the value of the US dollar as a multiple of their currency, it might not help those who do not.

Today the Sapphire Technologies Radeon 9800 Pro is available at allstarshop.com in the RETAIL form for $225 USD. However, in the UK, and most of Europe (who's currency is the Euro), the exact same Sapphire Technologies Radeon 9800 Pro costs significantly more than $225 USD. Sapphire decided to lower the price in the US because that is where the equilibrium price for that card is today. Different countries have different markets big dawg, so it might be a better idea to stick with summarizing what qualities a card has rather than its price.

Other than that, big dawg, it looks nice. I am just trying to point a couple of things out that came to mind while I was reading your post.

:)

[Dray_04]

thats what i was thinking adam.

theres so many varibles for graphic cards these days, and theres really no point in putting up prices etc...

but like big dawg sed, if hes up to it, he'l update the list every week

:blink: good luck man :)

[atiVidia]

@bigdawg: u missed a card: actually a lot of cards: but why do I care....

[atiVidia]

Originally posted by stupidguy@12 February 2004 - 04:11
If I buy a Radeon 9800XT will it be able to play future games for atleast a couple of years?
bout 4 years

[Virtualbody1234]

I've been watching these developments. I may add this info to the pinned section if people agree.

More information needs to be added. It needs to be more than just a list. For example, Which ones have the minimum requirements for all games available now? Or what are the best drivers and where to find them? What is the best brand (there are many brands of both ATI and Nvidia). Things like that.

Also I think it's a bit biased to say things like "ATI makes some of the best graphics cards available." Not all their models are better that similarly priced Nvidia products. It depends on which models are being compared.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Alright, thanks for your suggestions. I noticed as I was laying in bed last night that there was not much point to this topic, although it is good information for noobs. Today I plan on adding benchmarks and which ones will meet minimum requirments.

@Adam- I know those arent the cheapest places. I was just giving those links so people could see a pic of the card and some other specs. TigerDirect was easier to find it on then newegg, and it still took about 2 and a half hours. I will work on it some more today.

Like I said, when XGI comes in I will list all of there cards. I'm on this forum all the time, as you all know, and have plenty of time to keep this thread updated.

@VB- I will work on it some more today and hopefully you will like it. Most of the brands are almost equal arent they? I know Asus adds fans and cool stuff but really there cant be too much diff. Some people may think powercolor isnt great, but my benchmarks are awesome and i love it.I think it has gotten votes to be pinned already. :)

Do you want me to list minimum requirments for good playing or just whats on the box? Sometimes whats on the box will not play the game too smooth...

like I said..ill work on it some more and hopefully yall will like it even better :)

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by atiVidia@12 February 2004 - 06:33
@bigdawg: u missed a card: actually a lot of cards: but why do I care....
Which cards did I miss that arent very old? Thanks for your help! I will add the TI cards today.

One reason why I didnt want to list which cards are best and stuff is because that will make it more controversial...ATI has made the best DX9 cards in my opinion though.

[kaiweiler]

Awesome bigdawg! your the king at makin guides... :01:
Keep it up, n00bs need you! B)

[bigdawgfoxx]

I've added about 7 or 8 new cards to it, hope you like it.

Also hope you like the pictures I have provided.

[_John_Lennon_]

Ruff = Rough

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by _John_Lennon_@12 February 2004 - 17:26
Ruff = Rough
lol...uh...what man? lolol

[MUSLEMAN]

nice my money is on the 9800xt tho

this should be pinned after the said info is added :lol:

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by MUSLEMAN@12 February 2004 - 18:13
nice my money is on the 9800xt tho

this should be pinned after the said info is added :lol:
What other info do you suggest me adding? :)

[bigdawgfoxx]

Thanx for the pinn...whoever pinned it...lolol

I will keep it updated and hopefully will help cut down on some of the graphics card threads.

[adamp2p]

I noticed that you do not have the NVIDIA 5900XT in your guide. Dollar for dollar, it is a great card at the ~$200 USD price point. From what I have read, the 5900XT is an excellent performer, and members who, for whatever reason, prefer NVIDIA, should be made aware of it.

[BILLY-THE-FISH]

Very nice thread bigdawgfoxx

One quick question,

Does it make alot of difference who manufactures the cards i.e. Sapphire or Hercules?

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by adamp2p@12 February 2004 - 19:05
I noticed that you do not have the NVIDIA 5900XT in your guide. Dollar for dollar, it is a great card at the ~$200 USD price point. From what I have read, the 5900XT is an excellent performer, and members who, for whatever reason, prefer NVIDIA, should be made aware of it.
Its the same thing as the 5900SE I believe..but I will list it for you adam! lol

If you want me to add something or something please PM and dont crowd up this too much please

[atiVidia]

Bigdawg congrats on the pin..

EdIt: @ vb1234: how bout adding a separate miniforum for cards altogether with this topic being the first pinned? i imagine that many ppl will ask their Qs on this thread and this will pass the 1grand mark in pages

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx
Bigdawg congrats on the pin..

EdIt: @ vb1234: how bout adding a separate miniforum for cards altogether with this topic being the first pinned? i imagine that many ppl will ask their Qs on this thread and this will pass the 1grand mark in pages
I can deal with that when this topic gets to be too long. For now it stays like this.

[MUSLEMAN]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx+12 February 2004 - 20:16--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigdawgfoxx @ 12 February 2004 - 20:16)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-MUSLEMAN@12 February 2004 - 18:13
nice my money is on the 9800xt tho

this should be pinned after the said info is added&nbsp; :lol:
What other info do you suggest me adding? :) [/b][/quote]
glad you got pinned, it was over due, how about puting matrox up there jsut so people can see how it holds up :lol:

[bigdawgfoxx]

I added a review spot also.

[BILLY-THE-FISH]

Originally posted by BILLY&#045;THE&#045;FISH@13 February 2004 - 00:05
Very nice thread bigdawgfoxx

One quick question,

Does it make alot of difference who manufactures the cards i.e. Sapphire or Hercules?
Wow this is cool&#33;&#33;
I can write a question and no-one can see it&#33;&#33;
It&#39;s like I&#39;m invisible or something :strongsad: ........I&#39;m off out to the local store :lol: :lol:

ONLY JOKING&#33;
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[bigdawgfoxx]

My response to that would be no. ATI manufactured cards are good of course. Saphire and hercules are also very good.

Some people may say Powercolor isnt the best, but I have a powercolor radeon 9700Pro and it works AWESOME&#33;

[SciManAl]

clear

[BILLY-THE-FISH]

Thanks Bigdawgfoxx,
I myself are not too sure how much better big named make cards are&#33;&#33;&#33;

[wienerschnitzel]

Originally posted by MUSLEMAN+12 February 2004 - 16:52--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MUSLEMAN &#064; 12 February 2004 - 16:52)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@12 February 2004 - 20:16
<!--QuoteBegin-MUSLEMAN@12 February 2004 - 18:13
nice my money is on the 9800xt tho

this should be pinned after the said info is added :lol:
What other info do you suggest me adding? :)
glad you got pinned, it was over due, how about puting matrox up there jsut so people can see how it holds up :lol:[/b][/quote]

Don&#39;t make fun of my matrox parhelia <_<

[tesco]

so an nvidia card with the XT symbol means it is the crappier version but an XT on an ATI card means it is the best version?

[bigdawgfoxx]

Yes, correct.

[MUSLEMAN]

lol rofl

[Dray_04]

basically its a way to catch newbs off guard...

[bigdawgfoxx]

I have seen less graphics card threads latley....hmm :) haha

[Amarjit]

No mention of the Quadro FX 1000/2000?

[bigdawgfoxx]

Thats not a desktop card really, or used for gaming.

[Amarjit]

Can someone explain which is the better of the Radeon 9600Pro, 9600XT and the 9800SE?

Thanks

[atiVidia]

Originally posted by Amarjit@13 April 2004 - 06:03
Can someone explain which is the better of the Radeon 9600Pro, 9600XT and the 9800SE?

Thanks
answer given :)

[bigdawgfoxx]

Sorry for no updates&#33; Ive been extremly busy this summer&#33; I am going to south padre island for a week this coming week so hopefully that weekend I can update&#33;

[[B][O][T]]

I&#39;m looking for a good AGP Graphic Card as I&#39;ve just bought a new powerful machine.
A young friend of Mine recommended -> PowerColor Radeon 9800 PRO 128MB DDR AGP (I&#39;ve a Soltek Mini Barebone)

Anyone here has this card? Or know anything about it?
All replies are much appreciated :)

And by the way, a god damn nice pinned topic this is&#33;&#33;

TIA,
BOT

[tesco]

Originally posted by [B][O][T]@14 July 2004 - 18:35
I&#39;m looking for a good AGP Graphic Card as I&#39;ve just bought a new powerful machine.
A young friend of Mine recommended -> PowerColor Radeon 9800 PRO 128MB DDR AGP (I&#39;ve a Soltek Mini Barebone)

Anyone here has this card? Or know anything about it?
All replies are much appreciated :)

And by the way, a god damn nice pinned topic this is&#33;&#33;

TIA,
BOT
You&#39;ll probably get more repsonses if u make a thread about this, but...

ya the 9800pro is a very good card for the price, probably best deal around...if u can afford it...

[[B][O][T]]

Yeah I guess, thanks for Your input :)
I&#39;ll start a new topic about this.

cheers,
BOT

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by [B][O][T]@14 July 2004 - 17:35
And by the way, a god damn nice pinned topic this is&#33;&#33;

TIA,
BOT
Thank You&#33;&#33;

And yes, the 9800Pro is an EXCELLENT card.

[kAb]

What are the differences between a 70&#036; card and a 250&#036; card?

And I read that the human eyes can&#39;t tell the difference between 30 fps and 80 fps.. :huh:

[tesco]

Originally posted by kAb@24 July 2004 - 15:33
What are the differences between a 70&#036; card and a 250&#036; card?

And I read that the human eyes can&#39;t tell the difference between 30 fps and 80 fps.. :huh:
it&#39;s the perforamnce of the card that counts (determine by memory speeds and gpu speeds) not just by the amount of vram it has.

a 6800ultra could have 64mb of vram and beat the pants off an mx440 with 256mb of vram.

Note: The 6800 doesn&#39;t come in 64mb size, and the mx440 does not come in 256mb size.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004+25 July 2004 - 21:48--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ROSSCO_2004 @ 25 July 2004 - 21:48)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-kAb@24 July 2004 - 15:33
What are the differences between a 70&#036; card and a 250&#036; card?

And I read that the human eyes can&#39;t tell the difference between 30 fps and 80 fps.. :huh:
it&#39;s the perforamnce of the card that counts (determine by memory speeds and gpu speeds) not just by the amount of vram it has.

a 6800ultra could have 64mb of vram and beat the pants off an mx440 with 256mb of vram.

Note: The 6800 doesn&#39;t come in 64mb size, and the mx440 does not come in 256mb size. [/b][/quote]
Correct. Ram does not matter near as much as some things.

Memory Interface size, core speed, memory speed, and pixel pipelines are probably some of the most important.

And yes I hear 30FPS is perfect to the human eye so I guess more doesnt really matter...but cards that run 30FPS will often drop to 5 or 10 making it horrible. Cards that run 100FPS will only drop to like 50 or 60...making it still perfect. Also, the more FPS you pull, the more filtering you can add, and that makes the games look alot better.

[killer04]

Is intel extreme graphics good? I will be getting it in my new DEll 2400.
Bleh i think that it is a software graphic card :blink:

[tesco]

Originally posted by killer04@31 July 2004 - 07:00
Is intel extreme graphics good? I will be getting it in my new DEll 2400.
Bleh i think that it is a software graphic card :blink:
no it&#39;s shitty onboard.

make sure the dell has an agp slot on it so u can upgrade later on.

[killer04]

Oh no its has 3 PCI slots...
But is it ok to play games made in 2002?

Yeah the salesguy told me to take a pc wth pci as it is newer than agp

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by killer04@2 August 2004 - 15:12
Oh no its has 3 PCI slots...
But is it ok to play games made in 2002?

Yeah the salesguy told me to take a pc wth pci as it is newer than agp
Salesguys dont know shit usually....

I sent you a PM and you never responded, but make sure you dont get the 2400 with a celeron, get the pentium 4

[silent h3ro]

Originally posted by killer04@2 August 2004 - 16:12
Oh no its has 3 PCI slots...
But is it ok to play games made in 2002?

Yeah the salesguy told me to take a pc wth pci as it is newer than agp
WTF, PCI better than AGP?&#33; They should of fired that dumb-ass salesguy on the spot. :angry:

[killer04]

Problem solved

[Wolfmight]

AGP stands for Accelerated Graphics Port btw.
4x/8x AGP slots are much faster than any PCI slot, so the best graphics cards are allways AGP.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by killer04@3 August 2004 - 11:50
Um i sent you a pm back. Yeah i got a pentium 4 3.6 ghz. Anyway its a bit crappy. The graphicd are really bad. As if this wasnt enough i put my pc to defragment but there was a power cut. When i restarted the pc, there was a blue screen:
Windows did not load properly because of either a hardware or a software change you may have made. I rebooted the pc. The dell screen appeared as usual but after the was a dark screen with a blinking cursor. Ah windows wont boot :( :( :( :( :(
you got a 3.6Ghz P4 in a shitty 2400 from dell....You should have saved some more money up and gotten the 8300.

[mattesca]

foxx r u goin to update this topic??

[maskawaih]

:unsure: i m a newbie. what is the anti aliasing and the other? me just bought r9600xt.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by mattesca@11 August 2004 - 21:24
foxx r u goin to update this topic??

Anti Aliasing and Anisotropic filtering are things used to smooth the image.&nbsp; Basicly they just make the graphics look smoother, but also hurt performance.&nbsp; That is a good card, but not having at least 8 pipelines is hurting its performance..It should be default set to application based...so a game will turn it on if u can use it.
I already explained this to you my nigga

I dont want to post benchmarks of the new cards really yet...I prob will end up doing it. It is so confrentational right now lol they are so close...Im starting to think the 6800Ultra is the best though, especially since there is talk bout the x800xt pe being cancled...if it isnt already.

Anti Aliasing and Anisotropic filtering are things used to smooth the image. Basicly they just make the graphics look smoother, but also hurt performance. That is a good card, but not having at least 8 pipelines is hurting its performance..It should be default set to application based...so a game will turn it on if u can use it.

[maskawaih]

but why r9600xt can beat nvidia5900xt over high benchmark? :huh:

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by maskawaih@13 August 2004 - 18:36
but why r9600xt can beat nvidia5900xt over high benchmark? :huh:
Because the ati dx9 cards then ati..like 9800 and 5900 series. I would still take the 5900XT over the 9600XT though...