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clocker
02-20-2004, 02:54 AM
Okay folks, the metamorphasis continues...
Sprocket has been re-uberMuffined yet again.
This go round she is sporting five of these honeys along with three 80mm, one 60mm and the 92mm Zalman HS fan.
Airflow is not an issue in this case.
At reasonable sound levels ( my definition would be "Can I sleep with it running?") the performance is great.
At ridiculous soundlevels ( definition- "Am I bleeding from my ears yet?") the performance is astounding.

What precipitated this most recent makeover was a desire to do a better job with the PSU relocation.
Since the move from it's stock location to the front of the case the airflow around the HS has been dramatically improved, but I just wasn't crazy about my mounting of the PSU.

Hours of intense scrutiny ( and gallons of French Roast coffee), provided the solution...the two empty 5.25" drive bays.
Indeed, the naked power supply snuggled right into place, no modification necessary.
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The PSU sits on a 3/8" piece of foam with it's stock plastic isolator sheet sandwiched in between the circuit board and the foam. More foam was used to wedge the board into place and further insulate the case from contact. A separate ground wire was installed to insure that the whole case was properly grounded.
As a test I inverted the case and the PSU didn't budge an inch so I feel pretty safe.

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Here she is with the grillwork in place. The 80mm fan is an intake and exhaust is handled by the front roof Muffin.
Heat soak doesn't seem to occur, the case roof and baycage sides are cool to the touch.

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Sideview...general layout.
You can see how the entire interior of the case is now completely free of obstruction...airflow should be optimal.
The casefloor is now covered with a foam layer ( sound insulation?) and the HDD is mounted on aluminum standoffs and rubber isolators, I can't hear the seek noises at all unless all the fans are off. and then only barely. The combination of the Zalman HDD heatpipe cooler and the front Muffin fan keep the HDD right at case ambient temp. I even reverted back to a ribbon IDE cable for the HDD as I could fold it away almost completely out of sight.

The three Muffins on the roof are all exhausts. The front one deals with the PSU which sits right below it. The middle and rear fans deal with the rest of the case...primarily the heatsink at this point. Fresh air is ducted directly onto the heatsink from the case back.
The sidepanel/motherboard wall fannage is handled by the last of the Muffins.
There is still work to be done with the wiring for the Muffins.
As they run on 115v I had to add a whole separate circuit to power/control them and it adds a lot of complexity to the wiring in the case. I used shielded power cable to eliminate potential EMI problems and lots of quick disconnects so everything is removable. Now I simply have to deal with the resulting rat's nest of cabling. Fortunately, the new black interior hides a lot of the clutter in these pics, but in person it is more noticable and I shall work on a solution. Most of the wiring is actually very neat, but I had to leave enough extra length so that components could be installed/removed without straining the wires. I also still need to make a mounting panel for the TT temp display, which has had to migrate to the sidepanel...no room left on the front bezel.
The large white knob on the front panel is the speed control for the Muffins...I need to machine a nice aluminum knob for this, too.

So far today, at the lowest fan speed that will still spin the Muffins, diode temp has maxxed out at 35°C, socket, board and HDD are all at 28°C.
Cranking up the fans to a faster, but still tolerable level will drop all temps by 5 or so degrees.
Letting the Muffins rip at full whack will drop the diode to 26°C, which is very near to room ambient ( it's snowing again here...).
All temps are taken while Folding with 100% CPU usage.

This performance equals or betters the results achieved by many of the watercooled rigs that I've seen.

Spicker
02-20-2004, 03:05 AM
w0w great clocker

i love the idea of the psu in the bays nice looks very good as well

once again u hav done something really extreme! and all i can say is w0w! lol

btw thnx for keeping us updated ;)

bigdawgfoxx
02-20-2004, 03:35 AM
Nice clocker..looks pretty too B) :)

pc-gamer-dude
02-20-2004, 03:37 AM
im amazed at some of the stuff you come up with. i wonder what you could come up with using a good watercooling system along with that cooling setup. keep us posted of anything new.

also 1 question:
where do you get these ideas? just messing around till something works? or is there a unknown about book i should get?

Spicker
02-20-2004, 03:40 AM
he had watercooling b4 but he wants to stick with air cooling

sprocket doesnt like water :P

and thts no book its all experimenting...learning....crzy how the head works...

when i get a job..i will starting projects like clocker ;) but im only 15 so :(

pc-gamer-dude
02-20-2004, 03:42 AM
Originally posted by jaigandhi5@19 February 2004 - 22:40
he had watercooling b4 but he wants to stick with air cooling

sprocket doesnt like water :P

and thts no book its all experimenting...learning....crzy how the head works...

when i get a job..i will starting projects like clocker ;) but im only 15 so :(
i know he had it before, and i wasnt suggesting that he tried it. im just wondering what kind of stuff he could come up with using a good watercooling system. and im only 15 also or youd be seeing my little expirements.

bigdawgfoxx
02-20-2004, 03:43 AM
Same here...i turn 16 in november...but I will be getting a system for the tahoe, not computer projects haha

Spicker
02-20-2004, 03:44 AM
Originally posted by pc&#045;gamer&#045;dude+20 February 2004 - 04:42--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (pc&#045;gamer&#045;dude &#064; 20 February 2004 - 04:42)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jaigandhi5@19 February 2004 - 22:40
he had watercooling b4 but he wants to stick with air cooling

sprocket doesnt like water :P

and thts no book its all experimenting...learning....crzy how the head works...

when i get a job..i will starting projects like clocker ;) but im only 15 so :(
i know he had it before, and i wasnt suggesting that he tried it. im just wondering what kind of stuff he could come up with using a good watercooling system. and im only 15 also or youd be seeing my little expirements. [/b][/quote]
i wonder wt would he call his system if it had good watercooling hmmm lol
or wud he lve it as sprocket

:unsure: :ph34r:

tesco
02-20-2004, 03:46 AM
sooooooo many 15 year oldsssssss

Spicker
02-20-2004, 03:48 AM
well im 14 will be 15 on u noe...(march 5th) lol

so u guyz are technically older than me :lol:

tesco
02-20-2004, 03:51 AM
Originally posted by jaigandhi5@19 February 2004 - 22:48
well im 14 will be 15 on u noe...(march 5th) lol

so u guyz are technically older than me :lol:
haha lol j/k, i wanna start a pole to find out the average age of people on this forum and how many 15 yr olds there really are, but i have no idea where in the forum to put it or how to set it up so ill never get around to doing it lol.

Spicker
02-20-2004, 03:53 AM
Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004+20 February 2004 - 04:51--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ROSSCO_2004 @ 20 February 2004 - 04:51)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jaigandhi5@19 February 2004 - 22:48
well im 14 will be 15 on u noe...(march 5th) lol

so u guyz are technically older than me :lol:
haha lol j/k, i wanna start a pole to find out the average age of people on this forum and how many 15 yr olds there really are, but i have no idea where in the forum to put it or how to set it up so ill never get around to doing it lol. [/b][/quote]
there already hav been polls
give up while ur ahead&#33; :D http://messenger.msn.ca/Resource/emoticons/thumbs_up.gif

tesco
02-20-2004, 03:55 AM
where is it?

Spicker
02-20-2004, 04:02 AM
Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004@20 February 2004 - 04:55
where is it?
i duno somewhere but im sure there is one ;)

clocker
02-20-2004, 04:18 AM
Originally posted by pc&#045;gamer&#045;dude@19 February 2004 - 19:42
im just wondering what kind of stuff he could come up with using a good watercooling system.
At this point water cooling wouldn&#39;t be much of an improvement unless I also added a Peltier to the system.
I&#39;m looking into it.

Temps in the teens or low twenties would be nice...

pc-gamer-dude
02-20-2004, 04:20 AM
a peltier setup with water cooling, and your ingenious air cooling setup would be dead sexy. hopefully when your looking into "it", you find "it" (whatever "it" is.).

good luck with your system clocker&#33;&#33;

clocker
02-20-2004, 04:24 AM
Thanks gamer, but luck isn&#39;t a factor.
You just have to be willing to rip things apart over and over till they do what you want. :lol:

Or you give up and buy a Dell...

DWk
02-20-2004, 05:29 AM
Very nice, clocker :)

:beerchug:

Virtualbody1234
02-20-2004, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by clocker@19 February 2004 - 22:24
Or you give up and buy a Dell...
Never give up&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :ph34r: :01:

clocker
02-20-2004, 02:17 PM
The last time I tinkered with my Mom&#39;s eMachine ( which used to be mine) I installed SpeedFan, just to check out the temps.
That thing idles at 50c.
Day in, day out....never a problem.

Who knows how high it might go under full load?
Not I, and I didn&#39;t want to find out.

I offered to see if there was a way to improve this situation and she said no...it worked fine, it is quiet and she&#39;s had no trouble...why fix what ain&#39;t broken.

No, she didn&#39;t really say "ain&#39;t".

Sometimes, sitting flustered with my PC in pieces at my feet, struggling to figure out how to successfully reassemble it, I truly envy her the sense of careless obliviousness that she has.

Then I remember that this is my hobby and without it I&#39;d probably start watching Oprah and snorting heroin to fill my spare time...

RGX
02-20-2004, 04:42 PM
I have a duron 650 that idles about 69, no joke, ill post speedfan screenshots if you&#39;d like, because the fan connector on the motherboard stopped working...tried different fans, everything....no joy, its being upgraded tommorow and still plays BF1942 and Vice city with no problems.....I would fix it but with the upgrade so near theres no point, she&#39;ll be a 2200XP tommorow.

Im amazed its still running stable tbh

Great setup you have their clocker, cant wait to see what you do next, keep us posted.

Livy
02-20-2004, 04:46 PM
my amd k6-2 500 runs about 50 idle, ma gran and grandad got it now, goes to about 55 full load.

edit: im gonna play with ma machine soon, to get a little better temps. when i get some times without the woman moaning at me. <_<

and thats some nice temps.

RGX
02-20-2004, 04:51 PM
There we go

http://myimages.fourvalve.com/rgx/0hugetempduron650.jpg

tesco
02-20-2004, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by Livy@20 February 2004 - 11:46
my amd k6-2 500 runs about 50 idle, ma gran and grandad got it now, goes to about 55 full load.

edit: im gonna play with ma machine soon, to get a little better temps. when i get some times without the woman moaning at me. <_<

and thats some nice temps.
my k6-2 333mhz which is my old computer runs at like 22 degrees and the room ambient is 18 i think...

RGX
02-20-2004, 06:30 PM
Just played BF1942 - 75