Internet Networking

[Peerzy]

Im doomed!!!

My current internet is the cheap and chearful english NTL 600k Broandband, not bad. The problem is my pc is upstairs and the pc downstairs has the broandband so last year i set about networking all 3 pc's together.

i brought the CAT5 cable, the PCI cards and the port thingy. :rolleyes:

however i couldnt do it, im just to thick, hey im blond what do you expect. :P

So i gave my 3 pcs over to a guy who upgraded them and networked them all....the only problem was that he networked them quite wierdly. :blink:

He used a program called Proxy Plus (Proxy+) and the only way we could share the internet was through Socks5 and Proxy settings. :angry: :angry: :angry:

So iv had to be configuering every program, and i have only recently found a Socks5 compatablke Bittorent but iv had anough. i want online play, i want IRC i want lots of things but my internet wont let me do them right now.

So it got me thinking, no one else has these problems to why me, and after 10mins of blaming god, he gave me an idea :lol:

I thought i think the people who networked it for me did something wrong.
This is my current network set up:
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Notice anything wierd.
My Internet goes into my 1st PC before going through the N-switch.
Is this causing me all my problems, after all the modem does have a port at the back for &#39;Enet.&#39;

Now it got me thinking, shouldnt i have networked something like this:
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If i do this, is it goes to fix my problem of have to do everything through proxy settings?

Any help would be grateful as im rather fed up (not what i quite sed to the pc when i couldnt play onlije games but its the idea :P , it was more aloing the lines of &#39;U stupid pig F**king, horse s**ting piece of cyber F**kless c**t f**ker&#39;)

:rolleyes:

Edit: Just some more infomation...

Currently Pc1 (see picture 1) has to be on for either PC2 or PC3 to be able to use the internet or any internet applications, with my new way would this change?

And sorry for the bad drawings my pc got formatted recently so im having to use paint till i get something a bit more pro looking <_< ;)

ANd BTW i f**ked up somewhere along the lines when adding pictures with all that code-y c**p so just ignore that, its not spose to be any more pictures than just the two. :rolleyes:

[Samurai]

Hmm... I&#39;m using 2 PC&#39;s on NTL&#39;s 1 MB connection so I hope this helps...

Firstly, USB is in my opinion a definate no-no. Use ethernet. Much more stable.

Secondly, what is an N-Switch? Is it some kind of router? I&#39;m using a Linksys BEFSR41 ver. 2 and haven&#39;t had many problems, although I&#39;ve had to forward specific ports for my P2P clients, although I always change the default ports before using.

With regards for having the first PC on to access the net with the other 2 PC&#39;s, it sounds like you have just networked the PC&#39;s together rather than allow them to individually surf the Internet.

I&#39;d advise buying a router. Mine has 4 empty ports to allow 4 PC&#39;s to network at one time. I think I paid around £80 at Maplins for this, although it&#39;s probably cheaper now.

Try Aria (http://www.aria.co.uk/) or eBuyer (http://ebuyer.co.uk/). they&#39;re pretty cheap.


Hope this helps.

Samurai :ph34r:

[Peerzy]

its called an N way switch on the box altho looking at it, it calls it a &#39;5 way eithernet switch&#39;

i have the 600k version of ur internet. Yes the man who networked proberly didnt know we wanted internet on it so he networked t to share files.

basicly my n way thingy is the same as yours, so if i changed my method of network-age will it work much like urs cause thats what im aiming for. to play online and not be restrikted to socks5 and proxy compable stuff.

[Samurai]

Ok you&#39;ll need to connect this &#39;N-Switch&#39; to the modem, or STB (whatever you use) and connect the PC&#39;s to this N-Switch. Hopefully that may fix some of the problems you&#39;re having. Be sure to use the ethernet connection rather than USB too.

Also, ensure you have a working reliable firewall on each of these PC&#39;s... Sygate Pro seems to be the best at the moment, so I&#39;d go for that. Latest version is 2525 I believe and is available on most P2P clients.

I use eMule Plus, so if you need the hash I can supply that for you.

[Peerzy]

Originally posted by Samurai@20 February 2004 - 22:24
Ok you&#39;ll need to connect this &#39;N-Switch&#39; to the modem, or STB (whatever you use) and connect the PC&#39;s to this N-Switch. Hopefully that may fix some of the problems you&#39;re having. Be sure to use the ethernet connection rather than USB too.

Also, ensure you have a working reliable firewall on each of these PC&#39;s... Sygate Pro seems to be the best at the moment, so I&#39;d go for that. Latest version is 2525 I believe and is available on most P2P clients.

I use eMule Plus, so if you need the hash I can supply that for you.
:unsure: yeah thats what i was getting at in my drawings connecting the modem to the N switch insted of to a PC then the N switch.

Only problem is that all my settings are for proxy and i dunno the normal ones. When we got the person to network the internet i remember him going to a TCP internet protocal thingy and changing something :blink: but f**k knows where it is or how to get it, unless some here does :rolleyes:

the only problem with giving me an emule plus hash is i couldnt get emule/edonlkey to work with my connection :lol: :lol:

also whats a firewall gonna do for me? just f**k it all up again like proxy has? iv neav had a firewall.

thnx for the quick and helpful responses Samurai ur the perfect person, with my internet without the f88ked up job :P

[Samurai]

Ok try this. It&#39;s a long shot that might just work.

Click Tools In IE > Internet Options > Connections {Tab} > LAN Settings {Bottom}

Delete anything in your proxy server, and ensure it is unticked. Now ensure the first checkbox is ticked &#39;Automatically detect settings&#39;. Do this to all 3 PC&#39;s.

Now ensure only the first PC (nearest if possible) is connected to the modem/STB. Make sure the other PC&#39;s are not connected to the switch.

Now disconnect your cable modem, STB for minimum 30 seconds. Reconnect. Let the lights stabilise and reboot PC No. 1

Hopefully you&#39;ve have Internet access. If at this stage you do not. Ring 0845 650 0125 (NTL Tech Support, 8am-12am). Follow instructions to report clow browsing. Ignore the advice about disconnecting and rebooting PC, you&#39;ve already done this SEVERAL TIMES ;) When you tell them this, when you get through to them, they&#39;ll run a quick diagnostic and resend a signal down the line to your modem/STB.

If you didn&#39;t have to follow the step above, you should have Internet access by now. If you did, hopefully NTL have now sent you a signal down the line to do just that.

Now, you&#39;ll need to connect the other 2 PC&#39;s to the switch using the CAT5 cables. (If it&#39;s possible at some point, try and buy shorter cables as long ones that NTL enjoy supplying are far too long and may cause packet loss).

Using the Network Connections (PC&#39;s in System Tray) right click > select repair

Do this on both. Hopefully this will sort out all your problems.

Samurai :ph34r:

[Peerzy]

thnx for all the advice in the morning i&#39;ll cheak it all out and give NTL a gd shouting in the morning to wake em up :lol:

i didnt use a CAT5 cable that NTL gave me because they didnt give me one <_< all they gave me was a usb connector :blink: bunch of f**king w**kers <_<

thnx again, i&#39;ll post up my results and how happy i am :rolleyes: and how unhappy NTL are with all the verbal abuse im gonna give em :lol:

[Samurai]

Cool. Hope it works out for you.

CAT5 cables are available in Maplins for literally nothing. I got myself a nice green one (5m) for £3.99. Makes a change I guess but it does look good, and prevents any retard from &#39;accidentally&#39; disconnecting me in the household :lol:

[Peerzy]

lol i picked up a 25m one thats RED goes gr8 with my um... gree carpit lol :lol:

but i was supprised to find out that 25m&#39;s was only just enough to link PC1 to the N switch which is by PC2, it has to g up the stiars to so thats why :)

[Evil Gemini]

I have all my PC&#39;s connected like you have in the second pic.

I have the adsl modem going into the hub and then the pc&#39;s plugged into the hub works fine.

If your using windows xp it makes it very very easy.

(dont know why the guy used Proxy+ :huh: )

[Peerzy]

to be honest niether do i.

well if you look in picture 2 it means im gonna have to buy another 25m CAT5 cable OR could i just simply buy another cheap ebuyer router and have two onw downstairs with the NTL going into it then a 25m going upstiars to a router with two 5m cables going off to each of the two upstairs pcs? saves me buying expensive cable.

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basicly all the distances are 5m apart from the one i labled 25m&#39;s. i have enough cable to do it if i buy another router but is it possible i mean will it block off internet of put me behind another firewall or proxy?

if you dont understand i&#39;ll re draw it better and much clearer.

[Peerzy]

also this questions to Samuria...

you know the software that comes with the NTL packages the CorrectConnect. do i need to install that on all the cumputers or just one of them? im thinking all because now niether of them is going to be the main one or server pc.

[Samurai]

Whatever you do, do not install that piece of s**t. It is the worst software in the world, and at this present time I&#39;m trying to help another guy out on ntlhellworld.com (http://www.ntlhellworld.com/forums/) on this very matter.

The exact post is here (http://www.ntlhellworld.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=90) but you may need to register to actually view the posts. My name is the same on there (Samurai) and I&#39;m on there as much as here.

Samurai :ph34r:

[Peerzy]

oooooooooooooooooooooo...


so does that mean that the boardband is &#39;plug n play&#39; cause apart from correctconnect i dont think theres anything else on the disc. so basicly no i dont need the software on the pcs.

kwl.

also do you have any idea on my other question?


to be honest niether do i.

well if you look in picture 2 it means im gonna have to buy another 25m CAT5 cable OR could i just simply buy another cheap ebuyer router and have two onw downstairs with the NTL going into it then a 25m going upstiars to a router with two 5m cables going off to each of the two upstairs pcs? saves me buying expensive cable.

basicly all the distances are 5m apart from the one i labled 25m&#39;s. i have enough cable to do it if i buy another router but is it possible i mean will it block off internet of put me behind another firewall or proxy?

if you dont understand i&#39;ll re draw it better and much clearer.

if u scroll up ab bit u can see the amazing picture i drew in paint to help illistrate it.

[Samurai]

I&#39;d recommend another cable. Another router may pose just too many problems regarding port forwarding etc...

Also, you&#39;re far less likely to get packet loss with a cable than going through another router.

[Livy]

what you need is one of these. router (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2VsZWN0X3Byb2R1Y3Rfb3ZlcnZpZXc=&product_uid=52897)

and 2 of these. big shiny red cables (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=56423)

and if u order of ebuyer before 9am monday you will get half price delivery.

it should be £43.47 and u will get it on thursday. :D and u can get rid of the switch form current setup, but keep it as its handy to expand mroe pcs.

also with the router if u have a usb printer, u can plug it into it and all pcs can print to it without a certain pc having to be on that its plugged into.

[Peerzy]

the only problem with adding more cable means i gotta pick up all my carpit again and hammor it up the stairs and it took 3 and a half hours last time. Is there no way i can just add another router or something else that will just act as a &#39;joiner&#39;?

Peerzyboy ;)

[delphin460]

ok, here is my way

I have 5 computers connected together, all sharing adsl internet


my connection is the same as your first pic,

it goes adsl modem/main comp/router/ and the 4 other comps

all the comps have win xp pro, and i just setup network connection wizard ( its in the network connections page ), so the main comp connects directly to the net, and all the others connect thru it

no need for third party software at all, and i can do everything, except send files thru msn messenger ( just havnt figured it out yet )

but they all work 100% of the time and no problems with proxy ect its a breeze

if you are using an older version of windows, i suggest you update to xp pro

then life will be sweet :)

[Peerzy]

i have windows XP PRO.

does anyone know if another router will create problems as aposed to wiring up everything. theres a router on ebuyer for £9 i mite get that if someone can confirm that it will work or say they think it will work.

im a bit low on money rite now so that £45 set up is a no no :(

Peerzyboy ;)

[Peerzy]

sorry o bumb this so soon but ebuyers half price shipping ends soon and im going out 2nite so i need an answer in like 30 mins maximum. the person who answers will get many a thanks :)

:rolleyes:

[Livy]

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/in...oduct_uid=52897 (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=52897)

this is the cheapest router on ebuyer

u could put the router next to the modem,

then one cable to the computer and another to your hub/switch and put the other 2 pcs into the switch,

edit: diag

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[Peerzy]

yeah thats what im talking about so to have the internet go through two routers is perfectly fine?

i found THIS (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=55668). isnt that a router or the same typeof thing??? :unsure:

[Peerzy]

just saw ur diagram yeah thats what iv been tlking about saves all the wiring etc etc but isnt THIS (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=55668) cheaper and the same thingy? :blink:

[Livy]

it isnt going through 2 routers, it going through a router, then connecting to a switch, which is perfectly fine.

the thing you posted to wont work, as the way it works you would need 3 i.p&#39;s for them all to work as all pcs will be seen from the internet, as a router jides them all so you only need one i.p

you need a router. the only way the switch will work is if you keep the current way its setup.

also is it adsl or cable you have? and is the modem connected via usb or ethernet?

[Peerzy]

im in the uk so its broadband im not sure what that is in the USA but its 600k.

right now its connected through USB but with this new set up will be ethernet. so the cheapest thing is gonna cost me £20?

crap :(

[Livy]

as long as it has a ethernet connection on the modem then that setup will work fine, and yeah thats the cheapest way of doing it.

edit: and it would be £30 inc vat and delivery

[Peerzy]

fuck&#33; :angry:

[Livy]

Originally posted by peerzyboy@22 February 2004 - 21:04
fuck&#33; :angry:
but it also has a print server, so if u have a usb printer you could plug it into the router and would be able to print form all pcs. without having to put the poc that th printer was connected to.

[Peerzy]

the thing i have now. a &#39; 1X5 port N way switch&#39; is that a router or is that the other thing thats not gonna work?

[Peerzy]

yeah but iv got an old shitty printer :angry:

[Livy]

Originally posted by peerzyboy@22 February 2004 - 21:06
the thing i have now. a &#39; 1X5 port N way switch&#39; is that a router or is that the other thing thats not gonna work?
that wouldnt work either, well it would work if u had 3ip&#39;s but you only get one. and have to buy more, but i dont htink u can buy more. and would be deared than a router.

edit: ot would work. but only one pc would be able to acces the net at a time, and you would need to reset the modem everytime a different pc wanted to acces the net. i would just get the router, think of it as an investment. and gives you the scope for more pcs later on,

[Peerzy]

o fucking hell so im going to have to buy 2 of those £25 things now :angry: or 1 and about £15 worth of cable :angry: :angry: :angry:

[Livy]

no, just the one, and thats it, you would be able to just setup using your current cables as in my diagram.

you wouldnt need more cables.

edit: sorry you will need a small cat5 cable to connect between the modem and router if you dont have one already

[Peerzy]

okay thanks for the help. i dont have the money right now so im going to have to leave it right now :angry: :&#39;(

anyone wanna buy me a router? Gets a link in my SIG&#33;&#33;&#33; :P :rolleyes:

[Livy]

ive just bought one for down my g/f house so i can use my laptop down there. :D the one i pointed out, hehe, along with about £50 of other stuff.

[Peerzy]

lucky rich non broke son of a bi(you get the idea)............ ;) :&#39;(

[Livy]

Originally posted by peerzyboy@22 February 2004 - 21:22
lucky rich non broke son of a bi(you get the idea)............ ;) :&#39;(
hehe, not exactly rich, most of it is for networking down at her house, cabling etc, and surge protector, few bits for my main pc, and couple of thing for my grans and grandads pc.

[Peerzy]

Originally posted by Livy+22 February 2004 - 21:24--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Livy @ 22 February 2004 - 21:24)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-peerzyboy@22 February 2004 - 21:22
lucky rich non broke son of a bi(you get the idea)............ ;)&nbsp; :&#39;(
hehe, not exactly rich, most of it is for networking down at her house, cabling etc, and surge protector, few bits for my main pc, and couple of thing for my grans and grandads pc. [/b][/quote]
yeah yeah whateva mr i can afford a monkey :P

[Livy]

Originally posted by peerzyboy+22 February 2004 - 21:41--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (peerzyboy @ 22 February 2004 - 21:41)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Livy@22 February 2004 - 21:24
<!--QuoteBegin-peerzyboy@22 February 2004 - 21:22
lucky rich non broke son of a bi(you get the idea)............ ;) :&#39;(
hehe, not exactly rich, most of it is for networking down at her house, cabling etc, and surge protector, few bits for my main pc, and couple of thing for my grans and grandads pc.
yeah yeah whateva mr i can afford a monkey :P [/b][/quote]
i have 2 actually, :D i got one for me birthday and i bought one meself, i got them cheap from gadgetshop. :D

[Peerzy]

not bragging about are rishes are we? :D

[Livy]

Originally posted by peerzyboy@22 February 2004 - 21:46
not bragging about are rishes are we? :D
:huh:

im only a student, :D

[Peerzy]

im a col student and i can barly afford food. :(

im not poor but i dont pay for my internet my dad does, he just doesnt know about it.
one of the reasons i download games/music/movies is i cant afford to waste money on them. like i said if i stopped using my pc i could easly go on holiday and eat pizza hut everyday :D and buy games to play on my computer which im not going on to pay for the games :blink:

Peerzyboy :(

[Livy]

my dad pays for mine too, but my bro and sister use it to, and so does he.

i think im just more conciencious with my money when i want osmething.

i have no debt at all, and didn get a student loan, where as my mate got the max loan.. £3500 and overdrawn on 2 bank accounts £1500 each, and always borrwing money of people, and thats just been since october.

[Peerzy]

i have always been carful with my money as i was taught that i had to buy EVERYTHING from an early age. i consider my computer quite valuble because its where i do all my work, and music is important to me. I would like to go to the cinema but i rarly get time to now with school and part time work.

:( tisk enough winniny so who wants to buy me it? ;)

Peerzyboy :rolleyes:

[Evil Gemini]

i dont pay for my internet my dad does, he just doesnt know about it.

How does he not know he is paying for it ?

[Peerzy]

he&#39;s old and he got the same internet in his house so i ust told him it will cost him 2 time £25 :P

He wodnt mind anyway i wodnt think cuase he knows that i use the internet for work.

Peerzyboy ;)

[Peerzy]

Will this work? (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=59101) im still unsuire on waht i need and this is quite cheap. well will it work?