Video Card Overclocking

[peat moss]

Running a p4 200gh 512ram ddr pc2100 ATI 9700 pro. Tryed o/c with rage 3d . I can't see a big change really. I have the newest drivers. ect. Only difference was my refresh rate on my monitor.Games look fine can play ones I couldn't before tho But im missing something? Running at core 351 .oo mhz, memory 321.75mhz . Should I just go for broke? and o/'c till I can see a problem? MOTHERBOARD 35c CPU 45C TEMPS
I had 64mg video on board before looked good to me
:rolleyes:

[tesco]

keep overclocking little amount then go into a game for a while and see if you get artifacting (little dots and lines coming off of stuff on the screen). once that happens you know youve goten to the limit so just go back down a few mhz until it runs fine.

[peat moss]

Oh ok thanks Rossco have tryed bench marks but it's all chinese to me B)

[RGX]

What were you trying to run that a 9700 pro couldnt handle? Halo in 1600x1200, 6XAAF? :blink:

[peat moss]

Originally posted by RGX@21 February 2004 - 16:13
What were you trying to run that a 9700 pro couldnt handle? Halo in 1600x1200, 6XAAF?  :blink:
I didn't say I couldn't handle anything I was just wondering that I cant really see a difference in games that I could play before on my old onboard 64 mg thats all. I was was just curious .I know I can play more games now.I have being playing with options and such just thought I was missing something :)



Mabey I expect more? I don't know, just asking an opion

[tesco]

Originally posted by peat moss+21 February 2004 - 19:23--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (peat moss @ 21 February 2004 - 19:23)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-RGX@21 February 2004 - 16:13
What were you trying to run that a 9700 pro couldnt handle? Halo in 1600x1200, 6XAAF? :blink:
I didn&#39;t say I couldn&#39;t handle anything I was just wondering that I cant really see a difference in games that I could play before on my old onboard 64 mg thats all. I was was just curious .I know I can play more games now.I have being playing with options and such just thought I was missing something :)



Mabey I expect more? I don&#39;t know, just asking an opion [/b][/quote]
what games are you playing? next time you go to play something go into the display options and turn everyhting up to the highest details possible, make sure aa and af are up to full, and use a realy high resolution, somehting like 1024x768 or higher.

[peat moss]

I&#39;m playing at 1024x768 mabye its fine I was expecting more? My little ones are happy tho. I think I&#39;m just new and was expecting more &#33; Thank you Rossco :)

[clocker]

If it plays fine with stock settings I wouldn&#39;t clock it at all then.
Why fix what ain&#39;t broken?

[bigdawgfoxx]

What were you expecting? The only diff from one card to another is how many FPS it can put out really. The better the card the more FPS it will have and can also handle more filtering to make it look better. If you get a really good card its not gona shoot money outa your screen every once in a while. If games you played on your 64MB card work the same on the 9700Pro, the games probobly arent graphicly demanding. Run some benchmarks and you will see a BIG difference lol.

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@21 February 2004 - 17:56
If you get a really good card its not gona shoot money outa your screen every once in a while.
Man, I couldn&#39;t have said it better myself... B)

[peat moss]

Originally posted by clocker@21 February 2004 - 17:54
If it plays fine with stock settings I wouldn&#39;t clock it at all then.
Why fix what ain&#39;t broken?
Clocker coming from you thats funny&#33; I like to tinker . I guess my puters working too well I&#39;m bored :lol:

[clocker]

Originally posted by peat moss+22 February 2004 - 12:28--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (peat moss @ 22 February 2004 - 12:28)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-clocker@21 February 2004 - 17:54
If it plays fine with stock settings I wouldn&#39;t clock it at all then.
Why fix what ain&#39;t broken?
Clocker coming from you thats funny&#33; I like to tinker . I guess my puters working too well I&#39;m bored :lol: [/b][/quote]
Believe me, I understand the compulsion.
But you are talking software modding and I prefer hardware modding myself.

Besides, after killing my vid card a few weeks ago I am leery of them.
Not only that, video cards generate a lot of heat and have only marginal cooling capabilities out of the box.
Maybe you could stay busy improving that...

[peat moss]

Thanks Clocker point well taken :)

[mr. nails]

Originally posted by peat moss@21 February 2004 - 17:57
Running a p4 200gh 512ram ddr pc2100 ATI 9700 pro. Tryed o/c with rage 3d . I can&#39;t see a big change really. I have the newest drivers. ect. Only difference was my refresh rate on my monitor.Games look fine can play ones I couldn&#39;t before tho But im missing something? Running at core 351 .oo mhz, memory 321.75mhz . Should I just go for broke? and o/&#39;c till I can see a problem? MOTHERBOARD 35c CPU 45C TEMPS
I had 64mg video on board before looked good to me
:rolleyes:
why don&#39;t u set ur speeds to ur vid crd to default and test it with 3dmark01. then overclock it to ur liking (maybe what it&#39;s set at now) and bench mark it again with 3dmark01. that is a perfect way to find out if it&#39;s doing anything or not.

[peat moss]

Thanks Nails feed back is all I was asking Will try tho thank you :)



Was surprised some of the senior members were not more supportive . But I know its A boring subject video cards and all :lol:

[clocker]

Originally posted by peat moss@22 February 2004 - 22:13




Was surprised some of the senior members were not more supportive
What kind of support were you looking for?

Your original post was almost self-contained.
Apparently you had no difficulty actually OCing the card.
After the successful OC you couldn&#39;t see a difference.

So what were you expecting?

AFAIK there are two major reasons to overclock anything.
1. Just to see if you can.
2. To improve performance.

Obviously you could.
No performance benefit.

Hence, the lukewarm response.

[Wolfmight]

9700 pro is fast as is.. your not gonna make it run like a 9800 pro/xt

[bigdawgfoxx]

Ok, look at my card speeds. My 3DMark03 only went up like almost 400 points. Aquamark went up 3000 and 3Dmark01 went up like 1000. Those speeds are alot faster, is that all the improvment i should see in benches?

[DWk]

Even though I know I&#39;ll get LOTS of bad replies for what I&#39;m gonna say.... benchies don&#39;t say what a computer can and cannot. If the app (game) runs fine with this and that turned on (left out on purpose), why do scores matter?

Just play the games and have fun :)

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by DWk@23 February 2004 - 21:33
Even though I know I&#39;ll get LOTS of bad replies for what I&#39;m gonna say.... benchies don&#39;t say what a computer can and cannot. If the app (game) runs fine with this and that turned on (left out on purpose), why do scores matter?

Just play the games and have fun :)
I guess cuz the better the scores the more filtering and stuff you can do...and the better for future gaming.

Where have you been latley?

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by DWk@23 February 2004 - 19:33
Even though I know I&#39;ll get LOTS of bad replies for what I&#39;m gonna say.... benchies don&#39;t say what a computer can and cannot. If the app (game) runs fine with this and that turned on (left out on purpose), why do scores matter?

Just play the games and have fun :)
DWK; what you should narrow down is the methodology of a particular benchmark and what the scoring criteria are before you make such a generalization.

I particularly like the Aquamark3 benchmark. Why? For many reasons.

I like the fact that the krass engine uses DX7, DX8, and DX9 textures whose performance is a function of the GPU&#39;s pixel and vertex shaders. If you run the benchmark, you are able to see your graphics card stressed out in different situations which integrate all three types of textures.

Therefore you can see where your card performs better and where it lags. The great thing about the comparison links is the fact that it details maximum, minimum, and average frames per second, which denote strengths and weaknesses of a card in a particular scene/environment.

I suggest you upgrade someday soon to a modern GPU which features pixel and vertex shaders so you could contribute to this discussion. I only say this to emphasize the fact the Aquamark3 and other such rigorous benchmarks test the performance of these elements of modern graphics hardware---not "value segment" hardware.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@23 February 2004 - 18:57
Ok, look at my card speeds. My 3DMark03 only went up like almost 400 points. Aquamark went up 3000 and 3Dmark01 went up like 1000. Those speeds are alot faster, is that all the improvment i should see in benches?
Can someone answer this please :)

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx+23 February 2004 - 19:49--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigdawgfoxx @ 23 February 2004 - 19:49)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@23 February 2004 - 18:57
Ok, look at my card speeds.&nbsp; My 3DMark03 only went up like almost 400 points.&nbsp; Aquamark went up 3000 and 3Dmark01 went up like 1000.&nbsp; Those speeds are alot faster, is that all the improvment i should see in benches?
Can someone answer this please :) [/b][/quote]
That is great big dawg. That means that, on average, a typical DX9 game that uses DX7, DX8, DX8.1, and DX9 pixel and vertex shaders will run 3 frames per second faster than without the overclocking. Those performance differences are impressive---especially considering the fact that it was a free* performance increase.

[adamp2p]

Oh, and big dawg, I am not sure you have reached your maximum overclocks either...in other words, you might be able to bring up those scores a lot more. :D

[SciManAl]

clear

[DWk]

:smilie4:

So you guys are at it again? <_<

I thought this was way over. Oh well, I&#39;m gonna kindly take the time to answer you guys.



I guess cuz the better the scores the more filtering and stuff you can do...and the better for future gaming.

Where have you been latley?

Wrong. Scores don&#39;t tell you how much anisotropic filtering (or aa or fsaa if you want to include here) your card can handle. The actual performance is what lets you know if you can handle them. For example - it doesn&#39;t matter how much I overclock my mx440 (plus - hypothetically - getting better scores), it still won&#39;t handle "good" AF or FSAA.

Does your question of where I&#39;ve been lately has something to do with what you said before, or are you just asking?



DWK; what you should narrow down is the methodology of a particular benchmark and what the scoring criteria are before you make such a generalization.

I particularly like the Aquamark3 benchmark. Why? For many reasons.

I like the fact that the krass engine uses DX7, DX8, and DX9 textures whose performance is a function of the GPU&#39;s pixel and vertex shaders. If you run the benchmark, you are able to see your graphics card stressed out in different situations which integrate all three types of textures.

Therefore you can see where your card performs better and where it lags. The great thing about the comparison links is the fact that it details maximum, minimum, and average frames per second, which denote strengths and weaknesses of a card in a particular scene/environment.

I suggest you upgrade someday soon to a modern GPU which features pixel and vertex shaders so you could contribute to this discussion. I only say this to emphasize the fact the Aquamark3 and other such rigorous benchmarks test the performance of these elements of modern graphics hardware---not "value segment" hardware.

Regarding your 1-4 paragraphs, I totally agree. My point being is, MOST (yes....MOST) of players do not care about scores in benchies (and I&#39;m not saying this is good). Therefore, my "generalization" comes out a little vague, but fit to the regular gamer (not a hardcore OR a hardware freak..... - you get my point).

Regarding your last paragraph, I&#39;m not even gonna comment on this. It is obviously hard to get a mod to erradicate this type of behavior (specially on HW world). I&#39;m not even interested in whether you keep thinking that I don&#39;t know about cards (old AND new) or not. I simply won&#39;t waste my time trying to argue in a matter like this.

Peace

[peat moss]

Dwk I really appreciate you coments thats one of the reasons I saved 6 months for a new and inproved vid card :lol: Your a smart fellow don&#39;t let it bother you , some people read your coments daily you can&#39;t please them all Bud B)



edit I&#39;m an idiot I can tell a 2mb card from a 128 mb pro :lol:

[DWk]

Originally posted by peat moss@24 February 2004 - 21:52
Dwk I really appreciate you coments thats one of the reasons I saved 6 months for a new and inproved vid card :lol: Your a smart fellow don&#39;t let it bother you , some people read your coments daily you can&#39;t please them all Bud B)



edit I&#39;m an idiot I can tell a 2mb card from a 128 mb pro :lol:
Anytime, I&#39;m here to help :)

Oh by the way I&#39;m not bothered, it&#39;s just something that has some time going on (not on my behalf), so it gets kinda funny :smilie4:

[adamp2p]

DWk, bud, don&#39;t freak out just &#39;cause I am telling you that you should upgrade your graphics card...I am not saying anything about you personally&#33;

I think you are a cool kid, Dwk. B)

[Dray_04]

...speaking of aquamark...

... who here gets 30+ fps on the massive overdraw part ???


that strains the hell outta my card.... i think it drops to 8-9 fps at the lowest&#33;&#33;

but then it slowly returns to 30 :) :01:

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by adamp2p@23 February 2004 - 23:24
Oh, and big dawg, I am not sure you have reached your maximum overclocks either...in other words, you might be able to bring up those scores a lot more. :D
How might I do this?

I am thinking about putting an 80mm fan blowing right on my graphics card...you think that would help?

What all could I do?

I was just saying the higher your score the more filtering you can put on it and the less it will strain it probably...and the higher your score the longer you will be able to play games.

[DWk]

Actually, I&#39;ve been looking for a card for about 4 months. They are still too expensive here. A friend of mine just bought (yesterday) an fx5600 256ddr (an MSI card), and it cost him &#036;180.

I keep looking though :smilie4:

[adamp2p]

According to Anand Lal Shimpi&#39;s Weblog (http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/index.html?bid=61) "I would strongly recommend against buying an expensive video card before April/May"

[bigdawgfoxx]

Adam, what did you mean in your previous post about how I could bring my scores up alot more?

If I could unlock my CPU, I could go alot higher prob. But like..ok

It lets me change the multiplier and the FSB...but it just doesnt read it right under system...its really wierd. :unsure: