Is It Worth Paying Extra For A Amd Xp 3200

[Dray_04]

k the diference between the prices for me over here in NZ is

Athlon XP2500+ c/w AMD Fan & 3 years Warr box Barton CPU

NZ$140

AMD Athlon XP3200+ 2.2GHz 400MHz FSB W/COOLING FAN retail box

NZ$378


thats a huge difference for me....

keep in mind that its in NZ dollars so dont freak out at the prices!!!

(and can i also just ask why so many people have amd athlon xp's when the max the AMD Athlon XP3200+ can run is at 2.2GHz... whereas Intels petium 4's 2.4ghz is cheaper but run at a higher speed.... or am i mistaken

:music1:

[Weedy]

if i had the money i would go with the 3200 just cause it "better" then the 2500 by the numbers..

[Dray_04]

yer i realise that, but i dont see the need to spend that much if i know i can safely oc it to the same speeds....

lol, like what happens if i fry it.... gutted

[Weedy]

since the 2500 has 3 year warranty, u might as well go with that, and if u fuck up ur cpu, u can always get a new one :lol:

[DarthInsinuate]

Originally posted by dray_02@24 February 2004 - 10:06
(and can i also just ask why so many people have amd athlon xp's when the max the AMD Athlon XP3200+ can run is at 2.2GHz... whereas Intels petium 4's 2.4ghz is cheaper but run at a higher speed.... or am i mistaken

:music1:
i don't know the actual reason, because i don't pay attention - but it boils down to clock speeds not actually meaning much when you compare AMD to Intel


i think the price difference between the 2500 and 3200 is pretty big, after looking at some benchmarks its not an incredible difference in speed either

[Dray_04]

so what do you rekon i should do?

i love benchmarks!!!

and i want to get higher!! lol

should i go and upgrade to the 2500 barton

or should i get another stick of ram?

512 Mb DDR 400 x 2

thatll be more expensive....

so is it ram or cpu...

which will give me a higher performance increase?

[bigdawgfoxx]

2500XP

That is what you get then talk to me or post on here and we will help you...dont waste money on a 3200XP get the 2500XP...

[kaiweiler]

Yes get the 2500+ and OC it if you are looking for higher speeds. OCing it would void the 3 year warrenty though, so it comes down to which is more important to you. You can OC the 2500+ to a 3200+ w/ stock fans as well, no need even for water cooling
but yes get the 2500 for sure

[lynx]

If you go for the XP2500 you will need faster ram anyway, particularly if you are thinking of oc'ing it. But get the 2500 rather than the 3200, I did and here's the results:

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Edit: stock hsf, but I'm not happy with the temp (now 51C at full load), but extra cooling is on its way.

Edit2: When I've got the temps down I'll have a go at REALLY overclocking it, this bit was too easy. :lol:

[Virtualbody1234]

Don't waste money! Get the 2500+.

My understanding is that they are both the same part made on the same assembly line. They test them and the ones that perform best get the 3200+ stamp on them. It used to be that the first batches of the 2500+ couldn't be overclocked as easily but the production quality has improved over time.

[Livy]

yeah stick with the 2500, the 3200 is not worth the money compared to the performance difference, and compared to what you need to do to get it running at 3200 speed, u just gotta bump up the fsb to 400 form 333, and maybe increase the vcore. mines crashes like hell at 400fsb, but i cant increas the vcore with my current board. :( and ive not check the fastest stable fsb yet.

also if u do plan on overclcoking get 400 ram. save u uprgarding form 333 when u want to over clock, and u can also runt he 400 ram at 33 speed with tighter settings.

[Storm]

Originally posted by dray_02@24 February 2004 - 12:06
(and can i also just ask why so many people have amd athlon xp's when the max the AMD Athlon XP3200+ can run is at 2.2GHz... whereas Intels petium 4's 2.4ghz is cheaper but run at a higher speed.... or am i mistaken
your mistaken ;)

lol, no, its like this:

Intel's clock speeds are way higher than AMD's, but the performance difference is minimal, so AMD calls it's CPU that runs @ 2.2GHz the "3200+", showing that it's performance is at least as good as an intel 3.2GHz chip (at least, according to AMD)........

all it really does is show that intel is still marketleader in CPU's..........

[BiG_aL]

OC the 2500 and save the cash so that you buy other stuff.
no point in buying a 3200 because there is no place to OC to, thus you cannot optimize it's performace.
-BiG_aL

[Livy]

Originally posted by Storm+24 February 2004 - 16:37--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Storm &#064; 24 February 2004 - 16:37)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-dray_02@24 February 2004 - 12:06
(and can i also just ask why so many people have amd athlon xp&#39;s when the max the AMD Athlon XP3200+ can run is at 2.2GHz... whereas Intels petium 4&#39;s 2.4ghz is cheaper but run at a higher speed.... or am i mistaken
your mistaken ;)

lol, no, its like this:

Intel&#39;s clock speeds are way higher than AMD&#39;s, but the performance difference is minimal, so AMD calls it&#39;s CPU that runs @ 2.2GHz the "3200+", showing that it&#39;s performance is at least as good as an intel 3.2GHz chip (at least, according to AMD)........

all it really does is show that intel is still marketleader in CPU&#39;s.......... [/b][/quote]
thats not totally corret, the performance number refers to a what clock speed a duron would need to run at to get the same performance, eg a 3.2ghz duron is equal to a 3200.

but it is also quite close relation to the intel clock speed, 3200 would be equal to a something slighty below a 3.2ghz p4.

although each performans better is slightly different areas.

edit: and oh yes, go for the 2500barton

[Virtualbody1234]

dray_02, Did you see this thread? http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=101445

[clocker]

Originally posted by Livy@24 February 2004 - 08:17


also if u do plan on overclcoking get 400 ram. save u uprgarding form 333 when u want to over clock, and u can also runt he 400 ram at 33 speed with tighter settings.
Not exactly necessary, Livy.

Get quality RAM.
My Mushkin PC2700 runs just fine at a FSB of 200 with 2.5T,3,3,11 timings.

[Livy]

Originally posted by clocker+24 February 2004 - 18:49--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 24 February 2004 - 18:49)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Livy@24 February 2004 - 08:17


also if u do plan on overclcoking get 400 ram. save u uprgarding form 333 when u want to over clock, and u can also runt he 400 ram at 33 speed with tighter settings.
Not exactly necessary, Livy.

Get quality RAM.
My Mushkin PC2700 runs just fine at a FSB of 200 with 2.5T,3,3,11 timings. [/b][/quote]
oh well. or that too then :D

[clocker]

Don&#39;t get me wrong.
I wish I had better memory, it&#39;s definitely the factor holding me back from clocking higher than I can now, but good PC 2700 will beat budget PC 3200 (or 3500) anyday.

[Livy]

Originally posted by clocker@24 February 2004 - 19:07
Don&#39;t get me wrong.
I wish I had better memory, it&#39;s definitely the factor holding me back from clocking higher than I can now, but good PC 2700 will beat budget PC 3200 (or 3500) anyday.
i wasnt exaclty talkign budget stuff just ok stuff, igot crucial pc2700 stuff and wont boot beyond 169mhz, on standard timings, if i make the imings mor esloppy it may boot not tried it yet. i can get it running the fsb at 400 and ram at 333, but folding crashes nearly immediately. and windows follows pretty soon.

[bigdawgfoxx]

I should have gotten PC3500 prob...cuz when I put the FSB at 210 (420) which would be 2310Mhz...It dont seem to work right at all...I dont even leave it on long enough to check the temps, but I think its the ram. I guess I could loosen the timings (2-2-2-5) and try it again... I wish I could just unlock the multiplier

[lynx]

Originally posted by Livy+24 February 2004 - 19:45--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Livy &#064; 24 February 2004 - 19:45)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-clocker@24 February 2004 - 19:07
Don&#39;t get me wrong.
I wish I had better memory, it&#39;s definitely the factor holding me back from clocking higher than I can now, but good PC 2700 will beat budget PC 3200 (or 3500) anyday.
i wasnt exaclty talkign budget stuff just ok stuff, igot crucial pc2700 stuff and wont boot beyond 169mhz, on standard timings, if i make the imings mor esloppy it may boot not tried it yet. i can get it running the fsb at 400 and ram at 333, but folding crashes nearly immediately. and windows follows pretty soon. [/b][/quote]
My processor hit a wall at 183MHz, it didn&#39;t matter if I increased vcore or not. But after doing a bios update I decided to see what happened if I went straight for 200MHz. I increased vcore by about 0.05V and dived straight in. And that&#39;s how it is running now, not a single glitch.

I suspect there are problems with chipset timing at intermediate frequencies, try going for a big jump and see what happens. I suggest just booting with a Wub98 or ME startup disk at first, if that&#39;s ok go for the normal boot. If you&#39;ve got half decent cooling you won&#39;t cause any probs until you start running flat out, but by that time you should be able to monitor temps.

Edit: New cooling coming tomorrow (120mm mm fan and adapter to fit my copper based heatsink), so I may try lowering vcore a notch seeing I&#39;ve got to shut it down anyway.

[Livy]

i cant increase the vcore on my board, ill see if there is a bios update, i have the stock cooler. it boots but very unstable.

[lynx]

See edit above.

[Livy]

Originally posted by lynx@24 February 2004 - 22:35
See edit above.
well let me knwo how u get on with the lower vcore then, i was thinking of upgrading my board and to pc3200 memory anyway, depending on mhow much cash i have.

my current board was onyl £37 biostar m7ncd

edit: i was also maybe gonna get a aero7 lite cooler, and im gonna sort out my case coolign better soon, maybe even tomorrow

[lynx]

Do what I do - upgrade someone&#39;s pc for them, buy some nice new 3200 mem and stick the 2700 mem in their machine - as long as you pick someone who won&#39;t even think of overclocking they won&#39;t know the difference. :lol:

I get rid of all sorts of stuff this way. I charge them the current price for what they are getting, not what I paid for it when it was much nearer cutting edge stuff. But the people I&#39;m doing it for get the performance they wanted so everyone is happy.

[Cygnuz-Y]

Originally posted by lynx@24 February 2004 - 22:54
Do what I do - upgrade someone&#39;s pc for them, buy some nice new 3200 mem and stick the 2700 mem in their machine - as long as you pick someone who won&#39;t even think of overclocking they won&#39;t know the difference. :lol:

I get rid of all sorts of stuff this way. I charge them the current price for what they are getting, not what I paid for it when it was much nearer cutting edge stuff. But the people I&#39;m doing it for get the performance they wanted so everyone is happy.
:lol: :lol: Nice :lol:

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@24 February 2004 - 15:08
I should have gotten PC3500 prob...cuz when I put the FSB at 210 (420) which would be 2310Mhz...It dont seem to work right at all...I dont even leave it on long enough to check the temps, but I think its the ram. I guess I could loosen the timings (2-2-2-5) and try it again... I wish I could just unlock the multiplier
Do yall think the problem is the RAM?

Also, nForce 2 boards support 400Mhz FSB. If I go to like 420Mhz FSB, will that mess it up?

[tesco]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx+24 February 2004 - 18:31--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigdawgfoxx @ 24 February 2004 - 18:31)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@24 February 2004 - 15:08
I should have gotten PC3500 prob...cuz when I put the FSB at 210 (420) which would be 2310Mhz...It dont seem to work right at all...I dont even leave it on long enough to check the temps, but I think its the ram.&nbsp; I guess I could loosen the timings (2-2-2-5) and try it again...&nbsp; I wish I could just unlock the multiplier
Do yall think the problem is the RAM?

Also, nForce 2 boards support 400Mhz FSB. If I go to like 420Mhz FSB, will that mess it up? [/b][/quote]
well it wont really mess it up if it has proper cooling, but you are overclocking it since its designed to go at 400 and ur doing 420, just like a cpu is designed for whatever speed and ur runing it at a higher speed, and same for ram too. so the chipset is getting just as stressed as the ram and cpu.

[lynx]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx+24 February 2004 - 22:31--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigdawgfoxx @ 24 February 2004 - 22:31)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@24 February 2004 - 15:08
I should have gotten PC3500 prob...cuz when I put the FSB at 210 (420) which would be 2310Mhz...It dont seem to work right at all...I dont even leave it on long enough to check the temps, but I think its the ram.&nbsp; I guess I could loosen the timings (2-2-2-5) and try it again...&nbsp; I wish I could just unlock the multiplier
Do yall think the problem is the RAM?

Also, nForce 2 boards support 400Mhz FSB. If I go to like 420Mhz FSB, will that mess it up? [/b][/quote]
Have you tried increasing vdimm?

For example, if it is stable at 209 and unstable at 210, increasing vdimm will probably make it stable again. You should also loosen the timings as well to see if that helps. If it doesn&#39;t come stable then it is unlikely (but not impossible) that you have a ram problem.

Of course, if it does then you are probably right about getting faster ram in the first place. :lol:

[Dray_04]

sweet ill get the 2500xp and oc it to 3200 speeds...hopefully.....


planning on going thru it more detailed with bigdawg on messenger

[Livy]

Originally posted by dray_02@25 February 2004 - 01:40
sweet ill get the 2500xp and oc it to 3200 speeds...hopefully.....


planning on going thru it more detailed with bigdawg on messenger
yip, there pretty easily clocked,

also if i were u id remove that email link, as a spam spider may pick it up and ull get crap loads more spam.

[Dray_04]

hey thanks for that advise... i never thort of that....

ok another random question.... im building my mates computer here at my house, he wants it next wek, so i thort id be cheeky and take out his ram and put it in my system for a bit/....

so now i have 4 x 256MB PC2100 in my gigabyte mobo....

but its not reading at 1 GB

its still reading at 512MB

is ther something i should do?

[tesco]

Originally posted by dray_02@24 February 2004 - 20:47
hey thanks for that advise... i never thort of that....

ok another random question.... im building my mates computer here at my house, he wants it next wek, so i thort id be cheeky and take out his ram and put it in my system for a bit/....

so now i have 4 x 256MB PC2100 in my gigabyte mobo....

but its not reading at 1 GB

its still reading at 512MB

is ther something i should do?
check in bios see if it is recognized there, if not try shuffling the ram around get them in a differeent order and try again, if still nothing then try the new ram alone and see if it posts, if not hten the ram is bad, if it does then not sure what the problem is.

[Dray_04]

where abouts is it under BIOS?

my mobo is dual channel DDR, so does that mean i shud be doing sumthing first before i install the ram?

[_John_Lennon_]

The dual channel should be enabled just as soon as you put more ram in.

And if you have all 4 DIMM slots filled with Ram, than you should be fine.

What OS are you running, btw?

[tesco]

john lennon his operating system is in his specs.

dray i meant not IN the bios but during the post it should say it on the screen where it says your motherboard name, processor, then it says what driver are hooked up to each ide port.

[_John_Lennon_]

Ahh, dually noted Rossco, thanks for just telling me where it was, when you already knew his operating system and could have just told me his operating system, instead of making me look at it, again.

[Dray_04]

win XP john.... lol jk


dray i meant not IN the bios but during the post it should say it on the screen where it says your motherboard name, processor, then it says what driver are hooked up to each ide port.

im still a bit confused with this theory

[tesco]

Originally posted by dray_02@24 February 2004 - 23:00
win XP john.... lol jk


dray i meant not IN the bios but during the post it should say it on the screen where it says your motherboard name, processor, then it says what driver are hooked up to each ide port.

im still a bit confused with this theory
when you press the button to turn on the computer the first thing that comes up on your screen is the POST which is part of the bios, it comes up before the windows xp screen with that scrolling blue dot, on most motherboards this screen will say your amount of ram, processor type, and other info about your computer.

if you dont know what im talking about then just forget about it.

[Dray_04]

;) gotcha

[tesco]

try aida 32 and see what that says you have...

[Dray_04]

aida sez

physical memory:
total 511Mb
used 215Mb
free 296mb
utilization 42%

[Virtualbody1234]

@dray_02. Did you look at the manual?

Page 19. <_<

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@24 February 2004 - 20:40
@dray_02. Did you look at the manual?

Page 19. <_<
;)

:ghostface:

[Dray_04]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@25 February 2004 - 16:40
@dray_02. Did you look at the manual?

Page 19. <_<
man do u have a gruge against me ??? :blink:

page 19 has instructions on how to install the CPU&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

according to page 23 (which i looked at earlier but didnt quite fully understand) in order for me to activate dual channel DDR, if i have 4 memory modules i must have 2 double sided modules in slot #1 and #2, while the remaining 2 must be single sided.... or sumthing along those lines...

:helpsmile:

[lynx]

Don&#39;t know what&#39;s wrong with your problem, but how does that board support 3GB max if it has only 4 slots and the max per slot is 512MB? That is according to the manual anyway. :rolleyes:

Page 19 of the manual, page 23 of the pdf file. :P

[Dray_04]

just got home from work... pheww.... 3 am ...

:frusty: so tired i cant sleep


anyway i figured out the problem... my motherboard CAN support 4 memory modules but if i choose to have four in at one time... 2 of them must be one - sided ram whilst the others may be 2&#33;

however i can have 3 double sided ram modules in at one time MAX, so i choose this. resulting in 768Mb RAM

i did the aquamark test and it didnt improve my score by much....

29, 000 sumthing

:smilie4: oh well... i cant wait to get that barton 2500&#33;&#33;&#33;

[lynx]

You only need more if you are actually running out. Check how much the page file is used (look at page faults/sec in performance monitor). If it is pretty low then you are not paging much so adding more memory won&#39;t make much difference to performance.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Damn moms piss me off.

Im building this for my friend...

2500XP @ 3200XP, Asus A7N8X, 9800Pro, 512MB PC3200 ram.

She goes and gets it check with her "computer guy" he says its fine.

She decides thats not good enough so goes and checks with some ripoff place.

(I think she is just trying to get a way out of buying him a new system.)

They say that Asus are bad and not reliable and MSI are the best boards made, just because they use them. WTF god that pisses me off. So now shes not sure if he can get one and stuff...just cuz some bitch ass rip off place wants to rip them off

UGHHHH sorry just had to tell yall that B) haha it just pisses me OFF

[lynx]

My last board was an MSI, and it was a great board.

Until I tried OC&#39;ing. It gave up after a few MHz because the AGP and PCI went out of spec - totally useless. I don&#39;t know if their latest boards are the same, but Asus haven&#39;t fallen for that problem.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Yah, that is what I have heard...ugh..oh well

[tesco]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@25 February 2004 - 18:50
Yah, that is what I have heard...ugh..oh well
try ti and if it is not overclockable then she learned her lesson, that she should listen to you, if it does overclock then who cares? its not your computer so atleast yours will be better.