Go Back In Time.....

[djweiser]

Hi, i read somewhere that if you travel faster than the speed of light, you acctually go back in time? But how, once somethings happened its happened. A very weird thought!!

DJ Weiser

[Aaron_T]

pure theory

[DanB]

I know I'd change somethings though :lol: :lol:

[bujub22]

Originally posted by danb@28 February 2004 - 19:33
I know I'd change somethings though :lol: :lol:
me too!! :D

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Oh man, this discussion can go soooooooooooo deep :ph34r:

If you meet your future self and he kills you, then he will never have existed that long so he did'nt kill you so how would it actually happen?

Scary :ph34r:

Jonno B)

[vidcc]

events happen in real time but by the time you see them happen they have already occured....when we look at stars we look at events that happened some time ago because of the speed of light and the distance. therefore we can see back in time so to speak but we can't make time go backwards...even though a certain us president is trying to make my country go back to the 1940s :rolleyes:

just in case i am wrong and we can go back in time...make sure you don't take a dump before you go :o

[DanB]

It wouldn't happen :lol: :lol:

He still be able to exist until then becasue it wouldn't be known that you would go forward in time until you did :blink:

[bujub22]

watch the butterfly effect that movie does a good job explaining time travel and why u can't and can so does time machine love both of those movies.

[kaiweiler]

Einstein or some other smart guy compared time to a river, and that time always flowed one way, but there was always the possibility of a whirlpool, which would be the water going opposite direction, and that would be the time going backwards :smilie4:
But I say no, it can't happen :ph34r:

[bigboab]

I say impossible. If you take off in a space craft, how could you possibly land before you took off. :ph34r:

Einsteins theory of relativitiy is ok in theory. but in practice, No. Everything else is relative. So to return to where you started would be relative from when you started. So it would be at a later time. Sorry Albert. :lol: :lol:

[Aaron_T]

i would go back and warn my old grandad to go to the doctors more often


mostly i would go back just for the sake of it and see what the glorious region of Newcastle looked like in the olden days :D

[George Jr. Bush]

Originally posted by djweiser@28 February 2004 - 23:28
Hi, i read somewhere that if you travel faster than the speed of light, you acctually go back in time? But how, once somethings happened its happened. A very weird thought!!

DJ Weiser
I would go back to the start of the last election and enjoy
being your president several times while treating you like ppl should be treated.


:lol: :lol: :lol: Peace! No: War in Iraq!

[internet.news]

Though my situation is not the best I would not travel directly back in time.

Maybe I would do that as another person.

But what really would interest me, cause iti s real and sad fact to travel

to all the persecuted ppl and help them during World War 2...

But that might be quite impossible...

:(

[I.am]

Travelling in time is pure speculation based on some scientific facts. Its not like we can believe in it until its proven false or the other way round.

The only thing about light of speed is you cant go faster than light yet. An experiment was done in Australia similar to teleport in which they transferred photon from one jar to other. It was a success, speed of light wasnt a parameter, the even happened instanteneously. They are working now to with an atom or even a molecule. Its at least 20-30 years before any human does it.

[vidcc]

Originally posted by internet.news@28 February 2004 - 16:36
But what really would interest me, cause iti s real and sad fact to travel

to all the persecuted ppl and help them during World War 2...

But that might be quite impossible...

:(
you would use it for good ????? goddamit man just for once do something despicable :angry: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[internet.news]

Originally posted by I.am@29 February 2004 - 01:37
Travelling in time is pure speculation based on some scientific facts. Its not like we can believe in it until its proven false or the other way round.

The only thing about light of speed is you cant go faster than light yet. An experiment was done in Australia similar to teleport in which they transferred photon from one jar to other. It was a success, speed of light wasnt a parameter, the even happened instanteneously. They are working now to with an atom or even a molecule. Its at least 20-30 years before any human does it.
Timetravelling might be possible, but with our current science and developement,
it is hard.

But it might be truely possible.

Imagine what would happen if you are neither in Space nor time?

You are in " ". Would that makes you feeling comfortable?

[internet.news]

I know quantum theory has been proven to show that you never die ever

[internet.news]

Originally posted by vidcc+29 February 2004 - 01:39--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (vidcc @ 29 February 2004 - 01:39)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-internet.news@28 February 2004 - 16:36
But what really would interest me, cause iti s real and sad fact to travel

to all the persecuted ppl and help them during World War 2...

But that might be quite impossible...

:(
you would use it for good ????? goddamit man just for once do something despicable :angry: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: [/b][/quote]
But the interesting would be be what would happen if World War 2

never happened? Would I be still there as I am? Or would I be someone else,

in my former life... All interesting questions, come on test it out...

I recently saw an interesting film - 12:01h - day repeats and only one guy

remembers... funny in some ways but horrible if one person in Africa remember

that the day repeats hundreds of times in loop and the scientist is in North America

=> Real Problem&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Would this board exist if WW2 would never happened?

WW2 was important but sad very sad, but maybe you can beam all of the

persecuted ppl out on a starship and not effect timeline but only save lives???

[I.am]

What is " "

Space and time are two dimensions. If you are not in these two then you are in some other dimension. A dimensionless is also a dimension where there are no parameteres. From a scientific point of view, its speculation. People are working on it and until its at least closer to what time travel means, I will only regard as a joke popularized by Back to the future people :lol:

Moreover, I like Sartre&#39;s philosophy. So even if there is meaning to life or there is dimension, I wont feel unhappy or uncomfortable. I will continue to drive, drink and be happy :lol:

[internet.news]

Originally posted by samsamsamsam@29 February 2004 - 01:43
I know quantum theory has been proven to show that you never die ever
You never die? Cool, I thought of I was in my former life a young woman

in India who commits suicide to to her sad situation.

But interesting, energy rules PPL - come on all ppl who are still out

there only not have bodies come use your energy and share files actively

on K-Lite ;)

[internet.news]

Originally posted by internet.news@28 February 2004 - 23:45

I recently saw an interesting film - 12:01h - day repeats

I saw that on a plane once - cheap version of Groundhog Day

[DanB]

Originally posted by internet.news@29 February 2004 - 01:47
Cool, I thought of I was in my former life a young woman
:lol: :lol: :lol:

That explains some things then :P

[I.am]

Originally posted by internet.news@28 February 2004 - 17:45
Would this board exist if WW2 would never happened?

WW2 was important but sad very sad, but maybe you can beam all of the

persecuted ppl out on a starship and not effect timeline but only save lives???
An even triggers event is again a movie concept. From scientific point of view its not necessary something to trigger. Causal is another philosophy but not necessarily a scientific point of view.

I must say, its so much fun to speculate, get confused and be happy thinking about all this :lol:

Btw, who knows if you will be in the same space dimension even if you travel time. You could be in a whole different earth. Keep speculating and dont bring science because then everything is absurd what we are talking :lol:

[I.am]

Originally posted by internet.news+28 February 2004 - 17:47--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (internet.news @ 28 February 2004 - 17:47)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-samsamsamsam@29 February 2004 - 01:43
I know quantum theory has been proven to show that you never die ever
You never die? Cool, I thought of I was in my former life a young woman

in India who commits suicide to to her sad situation.

But interesting, energy rules PPL - come on all ppl who are still out

there only not have bodies come use your energy and share files actively

on K-Lite ;) [/b][/quote]
How much has the movie Fire influenced you. You liked it so much that you want to feel that you were in that pathetic situation. :lol:

You need a break from the movie world

[internet.news]

Originally posted by internet.news+28 February 2004 - 23:47--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (internet.news @ 28 February 2004 - 23:47)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-samsamsamsam@29 February 2004 - 01:43
I know quantum theory has been proven to show that you never die ever
You never die? Cool, I thought of I was in my former life a young woman

in India who commits suicide to to her sad situation.

But interesting, energy rules PPL - come on all ppl who are still out

there only not have bodies come use your energy and share files actively

on K-Lite ;) [/b][/quote]
Yeah - quantum theory shon that when measuring reflections of lasers off mirros, any alternative projections occured to some degree..........further study shown that all possible events for a given for a situation but at a quantum level.


Following this theory, at the point you would die, it is always possiblt to liive for 100th of a second and so on for every 100th - just as you are about to die stays that way. We all just end up on the verge of death for eternity :(

[internet.news]

Originally posted by I.am@29 February 2004 - 01:46
What is " "

Space and time are two dimensions. If you are not in these two then you are in some other dimension. A dimensionless is also a dimension where there are no parameteres. From a scientific point of view, its speculation. People are working on it and until its at least closer to what time travel means, I will only regard as a joke popularized by Back to the future people :lol:

Moreover, I like Sartre&#39;s philosophy. So even if there is meaning to life or there is dimension, I wont feel unhappy or uncomfortable. I will continue to drive, drink and be happy :lol:
I always knew there is life in other dimensions&#33;

Come on what about a tool with which you can cross file share about multi

dimensions - that would be good, hhehe... you can be in ww2 andshare files with

ppl in future.... Continue file share...


Yeah, peace, &#33;&#33;&#33;

Connected: Multi Dimensional K-Lite Fasttrack Network

Users: 1.334.122.555.222.545 Users, sharing many many files&#33;
Much GB&#33; TB - PB Pety byte&#33;

Peace, RIAA go somewhere... You never stop me...

[I.am]

Originally posted by internet.news@28 February 2004 - 17:51

Connected: Multi Dimensional K-Lite Fasttrack Network

Users: 1.334.122.555.222.545 Users, sharing many many files&#33;
Much GB&#33; TB - PB Pety byte&#33;

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Someone needs to come up with a cool movie with this idea. :lol:

[internet.news]

Originally posted by samsamsamsam+29 February 2004 - 01:50--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (samsamsamsam @ 29 February 2004 - 01:50)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by internet.news@28 February 2004 - 23:47
<!--QuoteBegin-samsamsamsam@29 February 2004 - 01:43
I know quantum theory has been proven to show that you never die ever
You never die? Cool, I thought of I was in my former life a young woman

in India who commits suicide to to her sad situation.

But interesting, energy rules PPL - come on all ppl who are still out

there only not have bodies come use your energy and share files actively

on K-Lite ;)
Yeah - quantum theory shon that when measuring reflections of lasers off mirros, any alternative projections occured to some degree..........further study shown that all possible events for a given for a situation but at a quantum level.


Following this theory, at the point you would die, it is always possiblt to liive for 100th of a second and so on for every 100th - just as you are about to die stays that way. We all just end up on the verge of death for eternity :( [/b][/quote]
Did you ever wonder why a mobile phone don&#39;t work on cemeteries?

There are many ppl who are after their death there - consisting of electromagnetical waves (energy) - and there might be disturbing
accidentally your phone ;)

Just some theory, but the energy of thoughts and in your body is not big.

very small, but as each thought counts each energy counts&#33;

Energy rules&#33; Energy and character ;)

[I.am]

That would be the dumbest theory ever to account for that. Cell phones dont work there because people shut if off before going :lol: You should ask someone next time you go there.


Obviously, other thing would be it is out of network :rolleyes:

[internet.news]

Originally posted by I.am+29 February 2004 - 01:54--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (I.am @ 29 February 2004 - 01:54)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-internet.news@28 February 2004 - 17:51

Connected: Multi Dimensional K-Lite Fasttrack Network

Users: 1.334.122.555.222.545 Users, sharing many many files&#33;
Much GB&#33; TB - PB Pety byte&#33;

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Someone needs to come up with a cool movie with this idea. :lol: [/b][/quote]
Come on I.am, I invite you -

in near future there will be an organisation called/named

Time Travel Industries - you will be able to travel through time periods

and enjoy sharing as much as possible. But there might time police...


But it is difficult to control the time...

PS. I need coffee&#33;

[I.am]

After reading all that, I think I need my caffiene too. Now where is that coke :01:

[internet.news]

Originally posted by I.am@29 February 2004 - 01:59
That would be the dumbest theory ever to account for that. Cell phones dont work there because people shut if off before going :lol: You should ask someone next time you go there.


Obviously, other thing would be it is out of network :rolleyes:
Maybe in a future we shuold be aware of people reading our energetic thoughts ;)

But it would be interesting if you could record dreams ;)

[internet.news]

cell phones - wtf??

[namzuf9]

Originally posted by I.am@29 February 2004 - 01:46
What is " "
The nth dimension :ph34r:

[internet.news]

Originally posted by I.am@29 February 2004 - 02:00
After reading all that, I think I need my caffiene too. Now where is that coke :01:
Very interesting topic... thank for this idea, I&#39;ve had many discussions about that,

but it is always nice... to let it come up...

[internet.news]

Originally posted by namzuf9+29 February 2004 - 02:01--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (namzuf9 @ 29 February 2004 - 02:01)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-I.am@29 February 2004 - 01:46
What is " "
The nth dimension :ph34r: [/b][/quote]
Have you been in this dimension?

[bigboab]

Originally posted by internet.news+29 February 2004 - 00:59--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (internet.news &#064; 29 February 2004 - 00:59)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by I.am@29 February 2004 - 01:54
<!--QuoteBegin-internet.news@28 February 2004 - 17:51

Connected: Multi Dimensional K-Lite Fasttrack Network

Users: 1.334.122.555.222.545 Users, sharing many many files&#33;
Much GB&#33; TB - PB Pety byte&#33;

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Someone needs to come up with a cool movie with this idea. :lol:
Come on I.am, I invite you -

in near future there will be an organisation called/named

Time Travel Industries - you will be able to travel through time periods

and enjoy sharing as much as possible. But there might time police...


But it is difficult to control the time...

PS. I need coffee&#33; [/b][/quote]
Can you get me tickets please. I would like to return to my youth but in present day. There are a few members on this board I could then &#39;chat up&#39;. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[I.am]

Originally posted by namzuf9+28 February 2004 - 18:01--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (namzuf9 @ 28 February 2004 - 18:01)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-I.am@29 February 2004 - 01:46
What is " "
The nth dimension :ph34r: [/b][/quote]
or dimension ^ nth
:lol: yet to be named

@internet-news, you are have brainstorming thoughts. We changed from the main topic three times. Time travel -> File sharing during time travel -> Cell phones at cemeteries

and now you want to know if we can record dreams :lol:

[bigboab]

Originally posted by I.am+29 February 2004 - 01:04--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (I.am &#064; 29 February 2004 - 01:04)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by namzuf9@28 February 2004 - 18:01
<!--QuoteBegin-I.am@29 February 2004 - 01:46
What is " "
The nth dimension :ph34r:
or dimension ^ nth
:lol: yet to be named

@internet-news, you are have brainstorming thoughts. We changed from the main topic three times. Time travel -> File sharing during time travel -> Cell phones at cemeteries

and now you want to know if we can record dreams :lol: [/b][/quote]
It is possible to record dreams. Unfortunately the size of database required is, at present time, not available.

[I.am]

even the reference pointer to that database is not available :D

[bigboab]

Originally posted by I.am@29 February 2004 - 01:08
even the reference pointer to that database is not available :D
Dont delude yourself. The reference point has been there since the concept of the modern computer. I myself did a lecture once on this concept. That was in 1989. the database size has not yet been reached. The concept is that simple you would not believe it.

[internet.news]

Originally posted by bigboab+29 February 2004 - 00:12--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigboab @ 29 February 2004 - 00:12)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-I.am@29 February 2004 - 01:08
even the reference pointer to that database is not available :D
Dont delude yourself. The reference point has been there since the concept of the modern computer. I myself did a lecture once on this concept. That was in 1989. the database size has not yet been reached. The concept is that simple you would not believe it. [/b][/quote]
1988 I think you&#39;ll find

[I.am]

Originally posted by bigboab+28 February 2004 - 18:12--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigboab @ 28 February 2004 - 18:12)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-I.am@29 February 2004 - 01:08
even the reference pointer to that database is not available :D
Dont delude yourself. The reference point has been there since the concept of the modern computer. I myself did a lecture once on this concept. That was in 1989. the database size has not yet been reached. The concept is that simple you would not believe it. [/b][/quote]
:) Please elaborate, sounds interesting.

[bujub22]

http://www.sportcraftcars.com/sunstar/sunimp/2710a.jpg

here&#39;s yah time machine first 1 in the seat gets to go first :lol:

[djweiser]

nice to read about what others thought of this, thanks :)

[tralalala]

heres one of the best theories to the fact no one will ever travel in time.

if people can travel in time, how come is it that no one from the future has ever visited us? :unsure:



tralalala

p.s: Jonnos theory is scary too

[4th gen]

No doubt it&#39;s already been said, but you can&#39;t travel faster than the speed of light. Thus rendering the first post a moot point, in effect :P

[tralalala]

Originally posted by 4th gen@29 February 2004 - 16:12
No doubt it&#39;s already been said, but you can&#39;t travel faster than the speed of light. Thus rendering the first post a moot point, in effect :P
:huh:

why is this 4th gen?

could you explaine please?



tralalala

[internet.news]

Originally posted by tralalala+29 February 2004 - 13:14--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tralalala @ 29 February 2004 - 13:14)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-4th gen@29 February 2004 - 16:12
No doubt it&#39;s already been said, but you can&#39;t travel faster than the speed of light. Thus rendering the first post a moot point, in effect :P
:huh:

why is this 4th gen?

could you explaine please?



tralalala [/b][/quote]
Try it and you&#39;ll see what happens :ph34r:

[4th gen]

Originally posted by tralalala+29 February 2004 - 13:14--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tralalala @ 29 February 2004 - 13:14)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-4th gen@29 February 2004 - 16:12
No doubt it&#39;s already been said, but you can&#39;t travel faster than the speed of light. Thus rendering the first post a moot point, in effect :P
:huh:

why is this 4th gen?

could you explaine please?



tralalala [/b][/quote]
As any massive object increases in velocity, it&#39;s mass (relativistic mass) also increases. The mass increases exponentially towards infinity when the object reaches the speed of light. Of course, the object can&#39;t reach the speed of light, as the force required to accelerate a body of almost infinite mass is far too high to be supplied by us.

[tralalala]

Originally posted by 4th gen+29 February 2004 - 16:18--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (4th gen @ 29 February 2004 - 16:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by tralalala@29 February 2004 - 13:14
<!--QuoteBegin-4th gen@29 February 2004 - 16:12
No doubt it&#39;s already been said, but you can&#39;t travel faster than the speed of light. Thus rendering the first post a moot point, in effect :P
:huh:

why is this 4th gen?

could you explaine please?



tralalala
As any massive object increases in velocity, it&#39;s mass (relativistic mass) also increases. The mass increases exponentially towards infinity when the object reaches the speed of light. Of course, the object can&#39;t reach the speed of light, as the force required to accelerate a body of almost infinite mass is far too high to be supplied by us. [/b][/quote]
so how do we explaine the fact that light goes at its speed of light (300,000 km/s)?

tralalala

[4th gen]

Originally posted by tralalala@29 February 2004 - 13:23
so how do we explaine the fact that light goes at its speed of light (300,000 km/s)?

tralalala
Light has no mass

If you mean "why does it only go that fast" then I don&#39;t know.

[4th gen]

Originally posted by Mr JP Fugley@29 February 2004 - 13:26
isn&#39;t there a light paticle called the photon ? doesnt it travel at the speed of light ? is it infinite in size ? can you turn out the light before you leave ? anyway i thought the new theory was that the speed of light was not a universal constant any more.
You&#39;re making too much sense :unsure:

[internet.weather]

Originally posted by 4th gen+29 February 2004 - 14:27--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (4th gen @ 29 February 2004 - 14:27)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mr JP Fugley@29 February 2004 - 13:26
isn&#39;t there a light paticle called the photon ? doesnt it travel at the speed of light ? is it infinite in size ? can you turn out the light before you leave ? anyway i thought the new theory was that the speed of light was not a universal constant any more.
You&#39;re making too much sense :unsure: [/b][/quote]
Hes sharing his sense openly so that others can sleep nicely and think of his treasures.

[DanB]

:lol: :lol: Sharing treasures

[Spider_dude]

Originally posted by Mr JP Fugley@29 February 2004 - 14:26
isn&#39;t there a light paticle called the photon ? doesnt it travel at the speed of light ? is it infinite in size ? can you turn out the light before you leave ? anyway i thought the new theory was that the speed of light was not a universal constant any more.
photons are considered both particles and waves, they are considered as particles for the purpose of calculations.

[I.am]

One should reconsider that Einstein didnt say directly that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. All he conveyed was like 4thgen said the mass of the body will increase drastically and its not possible as of now, to provide the force.

"However the concept of spaceships, As a ship nears the speed of light it will become noticeably more massive but so will the fuel. That means that as the ship is becoming more massive the thrust is becoming higher too, since the
exhaust is more massive (heavier particles due to denser mass from
the energy to mass conversion."

Photons can be made to travel slower than the speed of light when changes are done in the environment i.e the medium it is travelling in. Basically, if anything travels faster than the speed of light it will emit Cerenkov Radiation (http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae457.cfm).

Btw, beyond the light barrier exists particles called tachyons. So particles have already crossed light-barrier implying particles can do that. We juts dont have enough external force to make it happen to our objects yet.

[enoughfakefiles]

What i want to know is if you were travelling at the speed of light in your car and you turned your headlights on what would happen. :blink:

[I.am]

Originally posted by enoughfakefiles@29 February 2004 - 14:01
What i want to know is if you were travelling at the speed of light in your car and you turned your headlights on what would happen. :blink:
Good question&#33;


All I can think of is, wear your sunglasses :lol: :lol:

J/k very interesting question.

One speculation: If you are travelling faster than the speed of light then by the time the light will reach you, you will already be beyong that point. Also, the light from the headlight lamps wont be falling ahead on something but rather will be staying at their position and you can see them moving slowly backwards. You will obviously be much beyond it. I guess the only way to navigate would be to use radar. Your eyes wont help you here :D

[enoughfakefiles]

Did`nt someone also do an experiment with photons which could have destoyed the world but they went ahead a did it anyway or was that particle accelerator.???

[I.am]

Yes I believe that was Particle Accelerator at Brookhaven&#39;s Lab. Some people even say that had something to do with junior JFK&#39;s plane crash.
Dont know the validity of that. Its buried like 16-17 feet under ground. Accelerator was used to create conditions similar at the time of Big Bang.