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bujub22
03-03-2004, 02:11 PM
Woman in Pa. Kidnap-Arson Case Surrenders
By JOANN LOVIGLIO

PHILADELPHIA (AP) - Luz Cuevas took one look at the dimpled, dark-haired little girl at a birthday party and instantly knew two things: She was watching her own daughter - presumed killed in a 1997 fire - and she needed a way to prove it.

So Cuevas pretended the 6-year-old girl had gum in her hair, removed five strands from the child's head, folded them in a napkin and placed them in a plastic bag.

``Because of TV, I knew they needed hair for the DNA,'' Cuevas said Tuesday.

The DNA tests confirmed a mother's intuition.


The girl was Cuevas' only daughter, Delimar Vera - the girl everyone else believed had perished in a house fire when she was only 10 days old.


Investigators believe a family acquaintance stole the baby from her crib, set the fire to cover the crime and raised the little girl as her own.


Carolyn Correa, of Willingboro, N.J., who was wanted on charges of arson and kidnapping surrendered to police in Philadelphia Tuesday afternoon, said her attorney, Jeffrey Zucker.


The little girl has been taken into state custody in New Jersey. It was not immediately clear when she would be reunited with her mother.


Fire officials believed the 1997 blaze at Cuevas' Philadelphia home was sparked by a home-rigged extension cord connected to a space heater. The fire was put out in 10 minutes, but Delimar's room was gutted, and investigators concluded that the infant's body must have been consumed by the intense heat and flames.


Cuevas said several things made her suspicious.


``I went inside the room and looked in the crib and she wasn't there,'' Cuevas said, adding that the window was inexplicably open though it was a cold winter evening. Police and fire officials that night told the hysterical mother that ``maybe it was my nerves.''


Cuevas, 31, said she was also suspicious because Correa, 42, had announced that she was pregnant during a visit shortly after Delimar's birth. According to Cuevas, Correa abruptly ceased contact after the blaze.


Cuevas, who speaks in halting English, said she instantly recognized the child as her daughter at the Jan. 24 birthday party. It was unclear what brought the girl, who was being called Aliyah, and her biological mother to the same party.


``When I see her, I saw that she was my daughter,'' said Cuevas. ``I want to hug her. I want to run with her.''


She sought help from state Rep. Angel Cruz, who represents the poor, largely Hispanic neighborhood where Cuevas lives. Cruz said he was skeptical at first but ``something inside'' told him that there could be something to the bizarre claim. He called police, who contacted Correa for a DNA test that ultimately proved Cuevas right.


``It's a mother's way. It's motherly intuition,'' the lawmaker said.


Cuevas and Delimar's father, Pedro Vera, 39, had a baby boy after Delimar's disappearance but broke up under the strain of losing their daughter.


``Right now I want to see my daughter,'' Pedro Vera said. ``I am so happy. I just want to see my daughter.''


It will be up to a Family Court judge to determine where the little girl will live.


Correa pleaded guilty to a 1996 arson at a medical office in New Jersey and got five years' probation, according to court records.


Neighbors who used garden hoses and fire extinguishers in a futile attempt to help Cuevas reach her newborn on the night of the fire reacted to the news with joy and anger.


Jose Rosario, a former next-door neighbor, said he took a drink to celebrate.


``I was happy she was alive,'' said Rosario, who recalled grabbing a fire extinguisher and desperately trying to enter the window where Delimar was supposed to have been, only to be repelled by the intense flames.


``Somebody could have got hurt trying to save someone who wasn't in there,'' Rosario said. ``The way she hurt those people, she should be put away in a crazy house.''



source (http://cnn.aimtoday.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=FF-APO-1110&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040302%2F2103048299.htm&sc=1110)

Wizard_Mon1
03-03-2004, 03:15 PM
Thats quite an incredible story, why is it sad though shes getting her kid back right?

j2k4
03-03-2004, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by Wizard_Mon1@3 March 2004 - 12:15
Thats quite an incredible story, why is it sad though shes getting her kid back right?
Not so fast.

New Jersey's record as re: children in state custody is hideous.

I shall say a prayer for the girl and her mother, in the hope that they will be reunited as soon as possible. ;)

Wizard_Mon1
03-03-2004, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by j2k4@3 March 2004 - 16:14
I shall say a prayer for the girl and her mother, in the hope that they will be reunited as soon as possible. ;)
Nice, not many people would.

So even if there is proff she is her child they might not be allowed be the state?

Isn't the kidnapper in jail for arson so the kid must be in custody. The next logical step would be to give her back.

j2k4
03-03-2004, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by Wizard_Mon1+3 March 2004 - 13:39--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Wizard_Mon1 &#064; 3 March 2004 - 13:39)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-j2k4@3 March 2004 - 16:14
I shall say a prayer for the girl and her mother, in the hope that they will be reunited as soon as possible. ;)
Nice, not many people would.

So even if there is proff she is her child they might not be allowed be the state?

Isn&#39;t the kidnapper in jail for arson so the kid must be in custody. The next logical step would be to give her back.[/b][/quote]
One would think so, yes, but we&#39;re talking New Jersey, here.

Check this out:

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/pa03_...childabuse.html (http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/pa03_english/childabuse.html)

sArA
03-05-2004, 04:29 PM
Stunning&#33; simply stunning&#33;

So it could end up that this mother and daughter may not be reunited?

Excuse me, but what has the poor mother done wrong? Abused her kid? nope...I cannot imagine how a judge could possibly justify not reuniting them...but then the legal system often seems to be the real abuser in child custody cases.

I read your link J2k...its absolutely mad&#33; I thought we had problems here in the UK with sloppy work by social workers...but this is ridiculous&#33;

j2k4
03-05-2004, 04:37 PM
A late update:

Apparently (according to USA Today), the authorities will allow mother and daughter to be reunited with all due speed.

Stunning that they actually realize they have no entree in this case, as it was purely and simply a kidnapping.

This could have easily become another bureaucratic snafu of the first order, and yet another example of an inept institution trying to justify it&#39;s continued existence.

I am elated for these people. :)

sArA
03-05-2004, 04:47 PM
Phew&#33; What a relief&#33; you had me worried for a minute there J2K4" :unsure:

j2k4
03-05-2004, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by sara5564@5 March 2004 - 13:47
Phew&#33; What a relief&#33; you had me worried for a minute there J2K4" :unsure:
I am so relieved to report that.

I really had no idea why they would even think they needed to weigh in on this occurrence; that had me a bit scared, too. ;)

leftism
03-05-2004, 06:07 PM
Was there ever any question of this mother not getting her kid back? j2k4&#39;s made the claim but he hasnt provided any evidence.

The link about another unrelated case doesnt prove that at all.

You have to bear in mind that every topic on this forum, whether it be the possibility of life on Mars or the whereabouts of Lord Lucan, always involves j2k4 complaining about political correctness or inept Gvt departments.

The man is on a mission and his arguments and claims need to be put into that perspective.


Originally posted by sara5564
I thought we had problems here in the UK with sloppy work by social workers...but this is ridiculous&#33;

As you probably know, the state of social work in the UK (and many other public services) is due to 20 years of a Thatcher Gvt, who believed in tax cuts and the "slimming down" of Gvt departments, so as not to create a "nanny state".

Very similar to the policies of G Bush, both senior and junior. Guess who j2k4 is voting for? ;)

When I hear Conservatives talking as if they care about social issues and then supporting tax cuts, I always reach for the salt.

Imho its all opportunistic rhetoric.

hobbes
03-05-2004, 07:23 PM
The story is still sad, as the parents had to suffer grief and loss for so long. Even stable marriages can erode under such a strain, and thus the child has lost her father.

Even so, this child has never bonded with her birth Mother, so the re-union will be baffling to the girl who only knows her abductors to be her parents. Probably even kind and caring ones. This child loves her "parents" and will now be taken away and given to a stranger she never knew, just like an adopted mom changing her mind 6 years down the line. This is really going to create a huge internal conflict in this girl.

How can you just erase your first 6 years of life, how can you undo the sense of betrayal, who can you trust?

This is not going to be happily ever after, but I hope for the best.

bootylicious
03-07-2004, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by hobbes@5 March 2004 - 15:23
The story is still sad, as the parents had to suffer grief and loss for so long.&nbsp; Even stable marriages can erode under such a strain, and thus the child has lost her father.

Even so, this child has never bonded with her birth Mother, so the re-union will be baffling to the girl who only knows her abductors to be her parents.&nbsp; Probably even kind and caring ones.&nbsp; This child loves her "parents" and will now be taken away and given to a stranger she never knew, just like an adopted mom changing her mind 6 years down the line.&nbsp; This is really going to create a huge internal conflict in this girl.

How can you just erase your first 6 years of life, how can you undo the sense of betrayal, who can you trust?

This is not going to be happily ever after, but I hope for the best.
An incredible miracle&#33; u r absolutely right on that one...she will be psychologically scarred for a long time. I do also wish them the best but they will have a long and difficult road ahead of them. :smilie4:

sArA
03-08-2004, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by leftism@5 March 2004 - 19:07


You have to bear in mind that every topic on this forum, whether it be the possibility of life on Mars or the whereabouts of Lord Lucan, always involves j2k4 complaining about political correctness or inept Gvt departments.

The man is on a mission and his arguments and claims need to be put into that perspective.


Easy leftism....sweeping generalisations and accusations will get you into trouble&#33;

You are clearly considering your perspective from a predominantly left wing stance. Whilst this is legitimate and valid as ONE view, it cannot be seen as the only correct one.

It is easy to blame the ills of our UK systems on the monetarist policies of Thatcherism. The nanny state is not good for &#39;our&#39; society as it reduces self reliance and personal responsibility. Likewise it is laughably naive to expect those with money or power to altruistically help the less fortunate in our society. It is also vital that those in need are helped by the state.

Whilst I am in no way a defender of any particular stance or political colour, having long ago decided that there are considerably &#39;good&#39; and &#39;bad&#39; in each, it is clear to me that often, socialist states breed over centralisation of power and bureacratisation of administration.

It is the huge increase in the requirement of front line workers (nurses, teachers, social workers etc, etc,) to fulfill targets and compete in league tables, balance restrictive budgets, deal with performance related pay and constantly consider ill conceived, poorly researched central government directives that has created an environment whereby our services no longer serve those they were intended to.

The biggest problem that has faced our public services is that of over administrated strategies that seem to come hand in hand with socialist policies. This I find strange, as I cannot understand why socialism tends to mean centralism. (perhaps leftism can help me with this).

I believe in the provision of public services, I do not believe in public/private partnerships or compulsory competitive tendering where money is the only consideration. I believe we should all be entitled (in the UK) to the same levels of care regardless of post code or status.

What I do not believe is that over proscribed central control is the answer, nor do I believe that resources and policy can take all the blame for mistakes and errors of judgement made by individuals. Individuals must take responsibility for their own actions whether helped or hindered by government policy past or present.

Ooops sorry I soooo digress&#33;

sArA
03-11-2004, 10:57 PM
Hmmm no reply from Leftism....sooo disappointing