Anonx

[AnonXO]

Many newbie to Anonx from this forum have asked the question. What records do we keep?

AnonX does not keep logs, records, or personal information. We do not track logins, IP address or any Internet traffic. A user name and password is all we keep on our servers. Nothing more.

[4th gen]

So you and your company are prepared to be held for accessory to crimes (such as hacking/child pornography) of the users you protect?

[AnonXO]

We have child porn filter in place that will prevent much of this activity. A we reserve the right to kick off such users from our network. As far as hacking goes, there are numerous other ways a good IT person can catch a hacker they don't need us to do that for them.

[4th gen]

Originally posted by AnonXO@5 March 2004 - 16:20
We have child porn filter in place that will prevent much of this activity. A we reserve the right to kick off such users from our network. As far as hacking goes, there are numerous other ways a good IT person can catch a hacker they don't need us to do that for them.
That being said, it's still possible that a user could evade capture by his prey, they would need the hackers details from you, you would not give them to them (apparently), so your company would be held accessory? Is that correct?

[AnonXO]

Let take a simlar situation.

I go into a 7-11 gas station and buy a prepaid calling card. I find a payphone, dial into a known corp pbx, exploit it's weakness, and start making international calls on their nickel.


Who's at fault.

1. 7-11 for selling me the anonymous prepaid calling card?
2. The payphone vendor?
3. The local phone company?
4. The crop. pbx vendor?
5. The individual you is stealing international long distance?

[Switeck]

or...
6.The U.S. Government for the regulations on phones and phone companies, which do little/nothing to prevent the whole situation.

[james_bond_rulez]

exactly, anonx was build to protect users from predation from corporate prying on consumers' identities.

but with that in mind users should not abuse the service to hack, ddos, trade child porn.

there are almost a few mice shit in a rice pot.....nothin u can do about it unless they are caught and kicked out, simple as that.

[DWells55]

How much does ANonX cost and where do I get it? Is it hard to use?

[james_bond_rulez]

go to www.anonx.com and check it out

dont forget the forum on there too :lol:

[DWells55]

$5.95 monthly
Forget it...

[Switeck]

Anonx may not stop a man-in-the-middle attack from scrambling your data.
Also, I am not aware that Anonx in any way encrypts or compresses your data -- so file transfers are still obvious to your ISP if they ever care to check what you are doing. They could even 'listen in' and create the same files from the traffic that you get. And they MIGHT if ordered to by a copyright complaint which makes them libel (due to DMCA!) if they don't!

There are other networks/programs which ARE starting to use encryption and/or compression on file transfers, and combining them with a proxy would make you safe from almost anything short of a search warrent of your property.

[supersonic]

Just to add, use a firewall (Proxy Server) setup by YOU on another place if possible and connect to that proxy, so no info is being kept or gevin to the govn't in case u get caught sharing fight muzic :rolleyes:

[james_bond_rulez]

Originally posted by Switeck@8 March 2004 - 19:06
Anonx may not stop a man-in-the-middle attack from scrambling your data.
Also, I am not aware that Anonx in any way encrypts or compresses your data -- so file transfers are still obvious to your ISP if they ever care to check what you are doing. They could even 'listen in' and create the same files from the traffic that you get. And they MIGHT if ordered to by a copyright complaint which makes them libel (due to DMCA!) if they don't!

There are other networks/programs which ARE starting to use encryption and/or compression on file transfers, and combining them with a proxy would make you safe from almost anything short of a search warrent of your property.
wut a naive kid.....

what kind of resources would an isp have to do all that shit? they dont

let alone the labour to eavsdrop on its users, it's stupid

[james_bond_rulez]

Originally posted by supersonic@8 March 2004 - 19:54
Just to add, use a firewall (Proxy Server) setup by YOU on another place if possible and connect to that proxy, so no info is being kept or gevin to the govn't in case u get caught sharing fight muzic :rolleyes:
now we are talkin'

good thinking :lol:

[DWells55]

Do you guys really pay $5.95 a month for this? Aren't there free alternatives available?

[james_bond_rulez]

Originally posted by DWells55@9 March 2004 - 18:53
Do you guys really pay $5.95 a month for this? Aren't there free alternatives available?
ya use the free proxy servers set up by the riaa and get caught and go to jail....

not really an alternative but o well.... :rolleyes:

[DWells55]

I didn't know, glad you told me. I really don't know much about P2P, just that I like music and games. I downloaded Hoobastank's album The Reason today, because I didn't want to pay $12 and have it turn out to be crap. I like it and I was about to buy it when I realized, "if the RIAA had their way, I never would have got to hear these songs and I probably would have not bought the album." I'm not going to let my money go to these jerks. So what, they're losing some money. But if they lightened up and stopped being such a**holes, then maybe we would start to pay for music again. Agree with me? Back on topic, so basically you're telling me that you do pay for AnonX and that there's no trustworthy free service? Oh well, I guess I might be okay as long as I don't share... :(

[Switeck]

Originally posted by james_bond_rulez+9 March 2004 - 04:38--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (james_bond_rulez @ 9 March 2004 - 04:38)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Switeck@8 March 2004 - 19:06
And they MIGHT if ordered to [monitor a user] by a copyright complaint which makes them libel (due to DMCA&#33;) if they don&#39;t&#33;wut a naive kid.....

what kind of resources would an isp have to do all that shit? they dont

let alone the labour to eavsdrop on its users, it&#39;s stupid [/b][/quote]
It doesn&#39;t MEAN they have the capital or labor to do such tasks, only that they can be ORDERED BY LAW (thanks to DMCA) once multiple copyright complaints come in. This is probably still very rare, but there ARE legal precedents forcing ISPs to &#39;police&#39; their networks -- virtually eliminating the privacy of the users, UNLESS USERS USE ENCRYPTION AND COMPRESSION.

Like when Verizon was forced by the US Supreme Court to turn over copyright infringer names to RIAA requests.

Think AOL -- how closely you think they work with RIAA/MPAA?

Perhaps it is you who is being naive.

[james_bond_rulez]

do u know how many laws they are breaking by decrypting private communications and recording (wire tap) ?

I dont care if ur so-called "supreme court" "ordered" such covert operation just to find out what a user is doing behind an encrypted vpn network. It&#39;s just plain stupid to do something this cost consuming operation just to catch a few pirates.

Doesn&#39;t make sense at all

[AnonXO]

The data is encrypted and has can be compressed.

[Switeck]

Originally posted by james_bond_rulez@9 March 2004 - 23:22
do u know how many laws they are breaking by decrypting private communications and recording (wire tap) ?

I dont care if ur so-called "supreme court" "ordered" such covert operation just to find out what a user is doing behind an encrypted vpn network. It&#39;s just plain stupid to do something this cost consuming operation just to catch a few pirates.

Doesn&#39;t make sense at all
It doesn&#39;t make sense because you MISSED my point.

With a proxy alone, the data ISN&#39;T encrypted or compressed -- it&#39;s just routed through an outside ip before going to the rest of the internet.

Your ISP wouldn&#39;t have to decrypt your communications. And they almost certainly already have in their terms of service stipulations which says they can monitor your connection almost at any time for little/no reason whatsoever. There&#39;s LOTS of EULAs (End-User&#39;s Licensing Agreements) which &#39;allow&#39; all sorts of otherwise illegal things. Read Microsoft&#39;s sometime. :P

Also "Bandwidth Hogs" tend to attract ISP&#39;s attention, even if they don&#39;t say anything about it.

Now an ISP probably WON&#39;T get a copyright notice about you if you&#39;re running on a proxy, but if you switched over to a proxy BECAUSE they recieved copyright notices then they may already be monitoring you.

RIAA has not been too intelligent about their &#39;anti-piracy&#39; campaign&#39;s spending. Rabidly angry, powerful people seldom do consider all the costs of their actions. Even though ISPs no longer HAVE to comply with blanket-issue lists of ips seeking names, some still are out of FEAR of RIAA&#39;s direct litigation of them.

[Ok, correction, AnonXO is saying the service *IS* encrypted and CAN be compressed. But such may not be the case with simpler proxys.]

[james_bond_rulez]

Originally posted by Switeck+10 March 2004 - 14:49--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Switeck @ 10 March 2004 - 14:49)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-james_bond_rulez@9 March 2004 - 23:22
do u know how many laws they are breaking by decrypting private communications and recording (wire tap) ?

I dont care if ur so-called "supreme court" "ordered" such covert operation just to find out what a user is doing behind an encrypted vpn network. It&#39;s just plain stupid to do something this cost consuming operation just to catch a few pirates.

Doesn&#39;t make sense at all
It doesn&#39;t make sense because you MISSED my point.

With a proxy alone, the data ISN&#39;T encrypted or compressed -- it&#39;s just routed through an outside ip before going to the rest of the internet.

Your ISP wouldn&#39;t have to decrypt your communications. And they almost certainly already have in their terms of service stipulations which says they can monitor your connection almost at any time for little/no reason whatsoever. There&#39;s LOTS of EULAs (End-User&#39;s Licensing Agreements) which &#39;allow&#39; all sorts of otherwise illegal things. Read Microsoft&#39;s sometime. :P

Also "Bandwidth Hogs" tend to attract ISP&#39;s attention, even if they don&#39;t say anything about it.

Now an ISP probably WON&#39;T get a copyright notice about you if you&#39;re running on a proxy, but if you switched over to a proxy BECAUSE they recieved copyright notices then they may already be monitoring you.

RIAA has not been too intelligent about their &#39;anti-piracy&#39; campaign&#39;s spending. Rabidly angry, powerful people seldom do consider all the costs of their actions. Even though ISPs no longer HAVE to comply with blanket-issue lists of ips seeking names, some still are out of FEAR of RIAA&#39;s direct litigation of them.

[Ok, correction, AnonXO is saying the service *IS* encrypted and CAN be compressed. But such may not be the case with simpler proxys.] [/b][/quote]
ya ur right :lol:

just to say that i&#39;ve never received another copyright complaint after i used anonx,need i say more? :rolleyes:

[Switeck]

Originally posted by james_bond_rulez+12 March 2004 - 15:10--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (james_bond_rulez @ 12 March 2004 - 15:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Switeck@10 March 2004 - 14:49
[Ok, correction, AnonXO is saying the service *IS* encrypted and CAN be compressed. But such may not be the case with simpler proxys.]
ya ur right :lol:

just to say that i&#39;ve never received another copyright complaint after i used anonx,need i say more? :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
Anonx DOES offer the protection I said was NEEDED. Now your ISP can only tell that a lot of traffic is going to/from your ip to Anonx&#39;s ip regions -- but they cannot determine what that traffic is, due to the encryption+compression.

I&#39;ve read about a couple people who run a proxy server from 1 computer on their network to another then out to the internet thinking THAT offers some protection. But I sincerely doubt that offers any protection at all.

[shn]

Originally posted by AnonXO@8 March 2004 - 13:14
Let take a simlar situation.&nbsp;

I go into a 7-11 gas station and buy a prepaid calling card.&nbsp; I find a payphone, dial into a known corp pbx, exploit it&#39;s weakness, and start making international calls on their nickel.


Who&#39;s at fault.

1.&nbsp; 7-11 for selling me the anonymous prepaid calling card?
2.&nbsp; The payphone vendor?
3.&nbsp; The local phone company?
4.&nbsp; The crop. pbx vendor?
5.&nbsp; The individual you is stealing international long distance?
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Bad Analogy http://filesharingtalk.com/sigs/smiley.gif

[james_bond_rulez]

Originally posted by shn+12 March 2004 - 13:31--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shn @ 12 March 2004 - 13:31)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-AnonXO@8 March 2004 - 13:14
Let take a simlar situation.&nbsp;

I go into a 7-11 gas station and buy a prepaid calling card.&nbsp; I find a payphone, dial into a known corp pbx, exploit it&#39;s weakness, and start making international calls on their nickel.


Who&#39;s at fault.

1. 7-11 for selling me the anonymous prepaid calling card?
2. The payphone vendor?
3. The local phone company?
4. The crop. pbx vendor?
5. The individual you is stealing international long distance?
http://www.chinkii.com/uploads/album/ladies/bullshit4324.gif

Bad Analogy http://filesharingtalk.com/sigs/smiley.gif [/b][/quote]
why dont u stfu? anonxo is the admin of anonx network.

if you dont like this topic then leave, no need to insult other ppl <_<

[shn]

Originally posted by james_bond_rulez+12 March 2004 - 16:36--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (james_bond_rulez &#064; 12 March 2004 - 16:36)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by shn@12 March 2004 - 13:31
<!--QuoteBegin-AnonXO@8 March 2004 - 13:14
Let take a simlar situation.&nbsp;

I go into a 7-11 gas station and buy a prepaid calling card.&nbsp; I find a payphone, dial into a known corp pbx, exploit it&#39;s weakness, and start making international calls on their nickel.


Who&#39;s at fault.

1.&nbsp; 7-11 for selling me the anonymous prepaid calling card?
2.&nbsp; The payphone vendor?
3.&nbsp; The local phone company?
4.&nbsp; The crop. pbx vendor?
5.&nbsp; The individual you is stealing international long distance?
http://www.chinkii.com/uploads/album/ladies/bullshit4324.gif

Bad Analogy http://filesharingtalk.com/sigs/smiley.gif
why dont u stfu? anonxo is the admin of anonx network.

if you dont like this topic then leave, no need to insult other ppl <_<[/b][/quote]
He&#39;s not the admin of this forum so I could care less. http://filesharingtalk.com/sigs/smiley.gif