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sharedholder
03-12-2004, 08:13 PM
Italy aproved a law against P2P this morning.


Il decreto legge sui fondi al cinema approvato questa mattina dal consiglio dei ministri prevede anche sanzioni fino a 1.500 euro per i pirati che scaricano da internet film ad uso personale. Pene pił pesanti, pecuniarie da 2.500 a 15.000 euro e penali da sei mesi a tre anni, sono previste per i pirati che scaricano film ad uso commerciale.

Lo ha riferito il ministro per i Beni culturali Giuliano Urbani nel corso di una conferenza stampa a Palazzo Chigi al termine del consiglio dei ministri di oggi.

Il ministro ha aggiunto che, se le norme sanzionatorie funzioneranno, saranno estese anche alla pirateria musicale, sempre via internet.

That mean that if i'm going to be caught i risk to pay 1500 euros if i download for personal use and 2500 euros to 15000 euros or 3 years of prison if i download movies for commercial use.
:helpsmile: :angry: :angry: :angry:
J'Pol
03-14-2004, 01:20 PM
Who will be checking these things.

How will they get the evidence you have done it.
sharedholder
03-15-2004, 07:37 AM
Don't know J'Pol , but the people here are already very scared, last weeks a lot of emule verified files sites are closed down by the police , almoust all the sites. :angry: :angry: :angry: :( :helpsmile:
cappella(m)
03-20-2004, 10:53 PM
Great..now Italy, too. And I thought, they'll never do anything and I could continue download ...so I will.. Don't believe in all this crap. First they've to find me, than they need an evidence that I downloaded something..
:lol:
Switeck
03-20-2004, 11:51 PM
In the USA, with RIAA's suing MP3 sharers, if you get caught and sued for sharing MP3s you could be looking at fines of $2,000-$15,000 (or more) even if you settle quietly out-of-court. $15,000 USA dollars is over 10,000 Euros.
NightStalker
03-20-2004, 11:57 PM
Is this is reasoning behind the temporary closure of Tech Ultra? :huh:
sharedholder
03-21-2004, 12:00 AM
Originally posted by NightStalker@20 March 2004 - 23:57
Is this is reasoning behind the temporary closure of Tech Ultra?  :huh:
The main reason for the temporary closure of TechUltra is cause i got a letter from someone.
NightStalker
03-21-2004, 12:11 AM
Originally posted by sharedholder+20 March 2004 - 19:00--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sharedholder @ 20 March 2004 - 19:00)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-NightStalker@20 March 2004 - 23:57
Is this is reasoning behind the temporary closure of Tech Ultra?&nbsp; :huh:
The main reason for the temporary closure of TechUltra is cause i got a letter from someone. [/b][/quote]
I see..

Care to exaggerate what the message said? :unsure:
sharedholder
03-21-2004, 12:30 AM
&#39;&#39;LINKS TO ILLEGAL MATERIAL &#39;&#39;
james_bond_rulez
03-21-2004, 02:06 AM
Originally posted by sharedholder@12 March 2004 - 11:13
Italy aproved a law against P2P this morning.


Il decreto legge sui fondi al cinema approvato questa mattina dal consiglio dei ministri prevede anche sanzioni fino a 1.500 euro per i pirati che scaricano da internet film ad uso personale. Pene pił pesanti, pecuniarie da 2.500 a 15.000 euro e penali da sei mesi a tre anni, sono previste per i pirati che scaricano film ad uso commerciale.

Lo ha riferito il ministro per i Beni culturali Giuliano Urbani nel corso di una conferenza stampa a Palazzo Chigi al termine del consiglio dei ministri di oggi.

Il ministro ha aggiunto che, se le norme sanzionatorie funzioneranno, saranno estese anche alla pirateria musicale, sempre via internet.

That mean that if i&#39;m going to be caught i risk to pay 1500 euros if i download for personal use and 2500 euros to 15000 euros or 3 years of prison if i download movies for commercial use.
:helpsmile: :angry: :angry: :angry:
wow that sucks... <_<
tralalala
03-21-2004, 04:38 AM
Originally posted by sharedholder@15 March 2004 - 09:37
Don&#39;t know J&#39;Pol , but the people here are already very scared, last weeks a lot of emule verified files sites are closed down by the police , almoust all the sites. :angry: :angry: :angry: :( :helpsmile:
come on SH, i thought youd know better...

the fact that sites were closed down, and now a law is out too, means that even more people will try to download even more, build more verifeid sites, etc.



P2P WILL LIVE FOREVER&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; SHARE OR DIE&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;




Rafi
Ariel_001
03-21-2004, 05:01 AM
Originally posted by tralalala+21 March 2004 - 04:38--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tralalala @ 21 March 2004 - 04:38)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-sharedholder@15 March 2004 - 09:37
Don&#39;t know J&#39;Pol , but the people here are already very scared, last weeks a lot of emule verified files sites are closed down by the police , almoust all the sites. :angry:&nbsp; :angry:&nbsp; :angry:&nbsp; :(&nbsp; :helpsmile:
come on SH, i thought youd know better...

the fact that sites were closed down, and now a law is out too, means that even more people will try to download even more, build more verifeid sites, etc.



P2P WILL LIVE FOREVER&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; SHARE OR DIE&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;




Rafi [/b][/quote]
First of all the law sounds stupid.


pay 1500 euros if i download for personal use and 2500 euros to 15000 euros or 3 years of prison if i download movies for commercial use.

What does that mean any movies? What exactly are they going to do thats diffrent then they do now? C&#39;mon SH thought youd know better too.
RealitY
03-21-2004, 07:30 AM
If this is in place then it stands to reason that monitoring at the ISP level is next, similar to Singapore, and that aint going to be easy to hide from...
james_bond_rulez
03-21-2004, 07:41 AM
Originally posted by REALITY@20 March 2004 - 22:30
If this is in place then it stands to reason that monitoring at the ISP level is next, similar to Singapore, and that aint going to be easy to hide from...
not with anonx u dont.....
cappella(m)
03-21-2004, 10:52 PM
I&#39;ll continue downloading and if I get caught I&#39;ll post it here...
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D hahahahah
What a stupid law..the same law was introduced in many countries before.. And what? Everyone continue downloading. No one was caught in Europe yet..so far I heard.
dingdongding
03-24-2004, 06:19 AM
for what it&#39;s worth i&#39;ve added what i&#39;ve found ip wise for the antip2p groups from italy to the antip2p list at bluetack.co.uk

(and for those that don&#39;t use the ip blocking lists we don&#39;t need to hear from you lol- if you don&#39;t think the method is worth using then fine&#33; don&#39;t use it and spend your time on something more worthy&#33;)

ddd
uschi999_3
03-25-2004, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by sharedholder@15 March 2004 - 07:37
Don&#39;t know J&#39;Pol , but the people here are already very scared, last weeks a lot of emule verified files sites are closed down by the police , almoust all the sites. :angry: :angry: :angry: :( :helpsmile:
I think Italian Mafia will do this job :P :P
sharedholder
04-01-2004, 05:51 AM
The law was blocked today in Parlament &#33; :lol: :lol: :01: :01: :lol: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clown: :clown:

http://www.camera.it/_dati/leg14/lavori/od...040331p4833.htm (http://www.camera.it/_dati/leg14/lavori/odg/cam/fascicoli/20040331/20040331p4833.htm)
bryanskrantz
04-01-2004, 06:09 AM
for those of us that don&#39;t speak Italian please translate. thanks.
Sparkle1984
04-01-2004, 06:58 PM
Translated in Google:


A.C. 4833 PREJUDICIAL ISSUES Conversion in law of the decree-law 22 March 2004, n. 72, bringing participations in order to contrast the spread illicit data transmission of material audiovisual aid, let alone to support of the cinematographic activities and the show.&nbsp; N. 1, Seduta of 31 March 2004 the Room, premised that:&nbsp; the terminologies used from article 1 of the decree do not turn out consistent to the definitions of the European norm and in particular to the directives 2000/31 CE on the electronic commerce and 2001/29 CE on the protection of the copyright.&nbsp; Such nominalistica indeterminatezza does not concur a precise location of the adressees of the norms and therefore a graduazione of the sanzionatorie measures, violando in such a way is article 117, first codicil, of the Constitution - in how much it subjects the legislative potestą to the respect of ties deriving from the communitarian ordering - is the classic constitutional principle of the proportionality of the endorsement;&nbsp; the protection of the copyright limitedly to the single field of the audiovisional works creates one unreasonable disparity of treatment regarding the other works of the talent, in violation of the principle of equality previewed from article 3, first codicil, of the Constitution;&nbsp; codicil 3 of same article 1 operates moreover one violation of the article 109 of the Constitution previewing activities of not coordinated judiciary police from the judicial authority, deliberates not to proceed in the examination of the provision.&nbsp; n. 1, Grignaffini, Chiaromonte, Capitelli, Carli, Giulietti, Lolli, Hammer, Pebble, Tocci, Lions, Innocents, Ruzzante, Magnolfi.
tensegg
04-08-2004, 12:39 AM
Translated in Google:

:lol: might as well have still been in italian for all i understood of that :lol:

all I got was a sore head :music1: :lol: :lol:
Sparkle1984
04-08-2004, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by tensegg@8 April 2004 - 00:39

Translated in Google:

:lol: might as well have still been in italian for all i understood of that :lol:

all I got was a sore head :music1: :lol: :lol:
hahaha LOL &#33;&#33; :lol: :lol:
blitz
04-13-2004, 07:51 AM
This is getting quite out of hand.....all these laws and stuff. Maybe if the lowered cd prices......
mortsapprentice
04-16-2004, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by blitz81388@13 April 2004 - 07:51
This is getting quite out of hand.....all these laws and stuff. Maybe if the lowered cd prices......
nice idea but its never gonna happen ....

they can only trace u from you IP address there are plenty of IP randomizers out there that could ease your fears