Is It Ok To Be Wrong.

[hobbes]

I have noticed a tendancy that when someone is successfully refuted or shown to be wrong, they just disappear.

Isn't the point of this forum to post what you think is true, but if given new insight, to acknowledge your shortcomings and adapt to new information.

Is it so hard to admit you are wrong? I guess it all boils down to how secure you are offline.

I welcome criticism as it allows me to appreciate whether I am right or if there are different perspectives I should consider.

If I had all the right answers, there would be no point to post.

[scribblec]

Originally posted by hobbes@15 March 2004 - 01:00
I have noticed a tendancy that when someone is successfully refuted or shown to be wrong, they just disappear.

Isn't the point of this forum to post what you think is true, but if given new insight, to acknowledge your shortcomings and adapt to new information.

Is it so hard to admit you are wrong? I guess it all boils down to how secure you are offline.

I welcome criticism as it allows me to appreciate whether I am right or if there are different perspectives I should consider.
being wrong makes my Epenis smaller :(

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by hobbes@15 March 2004 - 00:00
I have noticed a tendancy that when someone is successfully refuted or shown to be wrong, they just disappear.
If that were true 4th gen would have left about 3 accounts ago :D



Anyway, on topic now... In my own words:

Life is about learning, I am content to modify or retract ideas (even apologise if clearly in error) in the light of something better. However, I do expect the "something better" to be robust and coherent.

I am rather unmoved by 1) long diatribes 2) short insults 3) any permutation of 1 and 2 - the rest I take as I find.

B)

[hobbes]

Originally posted by scribblec+15 March 2004 - 02:01--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (scribblec @ 15 March 2004 - 02:01)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@15 March 2004 - 01:00
I have noticed a tendancy that when someone is successfully refuted or shown to be wrong, they just disappear.

Isn&#39;t the point of this forum to post what you think is true, but if given new insight, to acknowledge your shortcomings and adapt to new information.

Is it so hard to admit you are wrong?&nbsp; I guess it all boils down to how secure you are offline.

I welcome criticism as it allows me to appreciate whether I am right or if there are different perspectives I should consider.
being wrong makes my Epenis smaller :( [/b][/quote]
Can you E-mail an Epenis?

[Evil Gemini]

Some people are just so up them selves and they have this thing in their head that if you dont think the same way as they do, you are wrong and they cant handle it.

Then when you prove a point, they go somewhere else and try convince other people that they are stupid and they will continue to do that untill they get a........

man im dribbling shit...

[scribblec]

Originally posted by hobbes+15 March 2004 - 01:04--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes @ 15 March 2004 - 01:04)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by scribblec@15 March 2004 - 02:01
<!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@15 March 2004 - 01:00
I have noticed a tendancy that when someone is successfully refuted or shown to be wrong, they just disappear.

Isn&#39;t the point of this forum to post what you think is true, but if given new insight, to acknowledge your shortcomings and adapt to new information.

Is it so hard to admit you are wrong? I guess it all boils down to how secure you are offline.

I welcome criticism as it allows me to appreciate whether I am right or if there are different perspectives I should consider.
being wrong makes my Epenis smaller :(
Can you E-mail an Epenis? [/b][/quote]
no but mine is 12 inches hence the term epenis :P

[hobbes]

Originally posted by Lamsey+15 March 2004 - 02:04--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lamsey @ 15 March 2004 - 02:04)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@15 March 2004 - 00:00
I have noticed a tendancy that when someone is successfully refuted or shown to be wrong, they just disappear.
If that were true 4th gen would have left about 3 accounts ago :D [/b][/quote]
1. Lamsey used the subjunctive mood.
2. I meant in that thread, not from the board.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by scribblec+15 March 2004 - 02:06--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (scribblec @ 15 March 2004 - 02:06)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by hobbes@15 March 2004 - 01:04

Originally posted by scribblec@15 March 2004 - 02:01
<!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@15 March 2004 - 01:00
I have noticed a tendancy that when someone is successfully refuted or shown to be wrong, they just disappear.

Isn&#39;t the point of this forum to post what you think is true, but if given new insight, to acknowledge your shortcomings and adapt to new information.

Is it so hard to admit you are wrong? I guess it all boils down to how secure you are offline.

I welcome criticism as it allows me to appreciate whether I am right or if there are different perspectives I should consider.
being wrong makes my Epenis smaller :(
Can you E-mail an Epenis?
no but mine is 12 inches hence the term epenis :P [/b][/quote]
Don&#39;t worry, it will grow.

[J'Pol]

There are always two opinions, in every subject. Mine and the wrong one.

[bigboab]

It cant be Ok to be wrong. If you are wrong you are wrong. If you are ok you are not wrong. Is that right or am I wrong. Is this where I disappea

[Biggles]

Well I am rather banking on the idea that it is ok to be wrong.

:unsure:

[hobbes]

Originally posted by bigboab@15 March 2004 - 02:15
It cant be Ok to be wrong. If you are wrong you are wrong. If you are ok you are not wrong. Is that right or am I wrong. Is this where I disappea
Apparently "you can&#39;t handle the truth" literal boy&#33;

[hobbes]

For the cognescenti concreta:

I meant:

Can you "deal" with being proven wrong or will you cling to your impotent perch, regardless evidence to the contrary.

[bigboab]

Tell me the truth. I want to know the truth. :rolleyes:

You and another fellow didn&#39;t knock at my door last week by any chance. :rolleyes:

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by hobbes@15 March 2004 - 02:22
For the cognescenti concreta:

I meant:

Can you "deal" with being proven wrong or will you cling to your impotent perch, regardless evidence to the contrary.
I don&#39;t know, but then I would not use the phrase "retrospective historian".

[Wizard_Mon1]

Everything is right til proven wrong...

I&#39;m right now prove me wrong........ :smilie4:

[bigboab]

Originally posted by Wizard_Mon1@15 March 2004 - 01:25
I&#39;m right now prove me wrong........ :smilie4:
If you are right, then I can&#39;t prove you wrong. B) Ergo you are wrong in asking me to prove you wrong. :frusty:

[Biggles]

Life is about learning, I am content to modify or retract ideas (even apologise if clearly in error) in the light of something better. However, I do expect the "something better" to be robust and coherent.

I am rather unmoved by 1) long diatribes 2) short insults 3) any permutation of 1 and 2 - the rest I take as I find.

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by Biggles@15 March 2004 - 00:32
Life is about learning, I am content to modify or retract ideas (even apologise if clearly in error) in the light of something better. However, I do expect the "something better" to be robust and coherent.

I am rather unmoved by 1) long diatribes 2) short insults 3) any permutation of 1 and 2 - the rest I take as I find.
:o Oy&#33; Those were my words, you went and stole them outta my mouth&#33; Gimme them back&#33;

[hobbes]

Originally posted by Biggles@15 March 2004 - 02:32
Life is about learning, I am content to modify or retract ideas (even apologise if clearly in error) in the light of something better. However, I do expect the "something better" to be robust and coherent.

I am rather unmoved by 1) long diatribes 2) short insults 3) any permutation of 1 and 2 - the rest I take as I find.
Bite me, bitch&#33;

Oops, looks like I just did a #2

[Biggles]

Originally posted by Lamsey+15 March 2004 - 01:36--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lamsey @ 15 March 2004 - 01:36)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Biggles@15 March 2004 - 00:32
Life is about learning, I am content to modify or retract ideas (even apologise if clearly in error) in the light of something better. However, I do expect the "something better" to be robust and coherent.

I am rather unmoved by 1) long diatribes 2) short insults 3) any permutation of 1 and 2 - the rest I take as I find.
:o Oy&#33; Those were my words, you went and stole them outta my mouth&#33; Gimme them back&#33; [/b][/quote]
:-"

Oops, sorry&#33; Didn&#39;t think you were using them. You can have them back - they are still ok, you would hardly know they had been used. :unsure:

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by Biggles+15 March 2004 - 00:38--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Biggles @ 15 March 2004 - 00:38)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lamsey@15 March 2004 - 01:36
:o Oy&#33; Those were my words, you went and stole them outta my mouth&#33; Gimme them back&#33;
:-"

Oops, sorry&#33; Didn&#39;t think you were using them. You can have them back - they are still ok, you would hardly know they had been used. :unsure: [/b][/quote]
Eeeew... they reek of apple. I think J&#39;Pol&#39;s been at them :x

[bigboab]

Originally posted by Biggles+15 March 2004 - 01:38--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Biggles @ 15 March 2004 - 01:38)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Lamsey@15 March 2004 - 01:36
<!--QuoteBegin-Biggles@15 March 2004 - 00:32
Life is about learning, I am content to modify or retract ideas (even apologise if clearly in error) in the light of something better. However, I do expect the "something better" to be robust and coherent.

I am rather unmoved by 1) long diatribes 2) short insults 3) any permutation of 1 and 2 - the rest I take as I find.
:o Oy&#33; Those were my words, you went and stole them outta my mouth&#33; Gimme them back&#33;
:-"

Oops, sorry&#33; Didn&#39;t think you were using them. You can have them back - they are still ok, you would hardly know they had been used. :unsure: [/b][/quote]
It is too late you have used them. :ph34r: This has been like a prequel to plagiarism. Lamsey will have to have a prequel to your prequel to get them back. I think it is getting near my pill time. :lol:

[Proper Bo]

Of course it&#39;s okay to wrong.....just look at lamsey, he&#39;s doing fine ;)

:lol:

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by bigboab+15 March 2004 - 00:44--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigboab @ 15 March 2004 - 00:44)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Biggles@15 March 2004 - 01:38

Originally posted by Lamsey@15 March 2004 - 01:36
<!--QuoteBegin-Biggles@15 March 2004 - 00:32
Life is about learning, I am content to modify or retract ideas (even apologise if clearly in error) in the light of something better. However, I do expect the "something better" to be robust and coherent.

I am rather unmoved by 1) long diatribes 2) short insults 3) any permutation of 1 and 2 - the rest I take as I find.
:o Oy&#33; Those were my words, you went and stole them outta my mouth&#33; Gimme them back&#33;
:-"

Oops, sorry&#33; Didn&#39;t think you were using them. You can have them back - they are still ok, you would hardly know they had been used. :unsure:
It is too late you have used them. :ph34r: This has been like a prequel to plagiarism. Lamsey will have to have a prequel to your prequel to get them back. I think it is getting near my pill time. :lol: [/b][/quote]
You have given me a great idea bigboab my friend.

See the third post in this thread :D

[Biggles]

:o










:lol:

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Lamsey+15 March 2004 - 02:04--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lamsey @ 15 March 2004 - 02:04)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@15 March 2004 - 00:00
I have noticed a tendancy that when someone is successfully refuted or shown to be wrong, they just disappear.
If that were true 4th gen would have left about 3 accounts ago :D



Anyway, on topic now... In my own words:

Life is about learning, I am content to modify or retract ideas (even apologise if clearly in error) in the light of something better. However, I do expect the "something better" to be robust and coherent.

I am rather unmoved by 1) long diatribes 2) short insults 3) any permutation of 1 and 2 - the rest I take as I find.

B) [/b][/quote]
Long diatribes - has the board suddenly become tautological to it&#39;s core.

Is hobbesianism contagious at all.

I congratulate Liam on being the worlds first retrospective plagiarist. Who said time travel was improbable ?

Having said that, he does attend a Poly and buys Peach "Cider" from a Swedish furniture emporium. This must surely cancel out any positive aspect he has demonstrated.

This, allied to the fact that he feels Lorne sausage, fried in vegetable oil represents a vegetarian meal, must surely cast doubt on his sincerity.

[Wizard_Mon1]

Originally posted by bigboab+15 March 2004 - 01:30--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigboab @ 15 March 2004 - 01:30)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Wizard_Mon1@15 March 2004 - 01:25
I&#39;m right now prove me wrong........ :smilie4:
If you are right, then I can&#39;t prove you wrong. B) Ergo you are wrong in asking me to prove you wrong. :frusty: [/b][/quote]
Can you prove it? :P

I&#39;m right, therefore, you are wrong in claiming that i am wrong for asking you to prove me wrong. It would be right for you to try and prove me wrong and you have every right, however, as i am right, you are wrong in saying i am wrong about being right or wrong. Capish. <_< :lol:

[J'Pol]

You work from the premise that "everything is right until proven wrong".

The premise is flawed. Everything is unproven, until proven correct would be more accurate.

As such it is not for others to prove you wrong, it is for you to prove yourself right.

Your argument is specious and smacks of sophistry. (Hi hobbes :D )

[Wizard_Mon1]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@15 March 2004 - 02:10
You work from the premise that "everything is right until proven wrong".

The premise is flawed. Everything is unproven, until proven correct would be more accurate.

As such it is not for others to prove you wrong, it is for you to prove yourself right.

Your argument is specious and smacks of sophistry. (Hi hobbes :D )
Nope, your wrong, i&#39;m right end of story. :P

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Wizard_Mon1+15 March 2004 - 03:13--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Wizard_Mon1 @ 15 March 2004 - 03:13)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-J&#39;Pol@15 March 2004 - 02:10
You work from the premise that "everything is right until proven wrong".

The premise is flawed. Everything is unproven, until proven correct would be more accurate.

As such it is not for others to prove you wrong, it is for you to prove yourself right.

Your argument is specious and smacks of sophistry. (Hi hobbes&nbsp; :D )
Nope, your wrong, i&#39;m right end of story. :P [/b][/quote]
I hadn&#39;t thought of that, my mistake.

Sorry, I was wrong.

[Wizard_Mon1]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+15 March 2004 - 02:17--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol @ 15 March 2004 - 02:17)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Wizard_Mon1@15 March 2004 - 03:13
<!--QuoteBegin-J&#39;Pol@15 March 2004 - 02:10
You work from the premise that "everything is right until proven wrong".

The premise is flawed. Everything is unproven, until proven correct would be more accurate.

As such it is not for others to prove you wrong, it is for you to prove yourself right.

Your argument is specious and smacks of sophistry. (Hi hobbes&nbsp; :D )
Nope, your wrong, i&#39;m right end of story. :P
I hadn&#39;t thought of that, my mistake.

Sorry, I was wrong. [/b][/quote]
It&#39;s Ok to be wrong.

I am here for you J&#39;pol in your time of need. :hug:

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Wizard_Mon1+15 March 2004 - 03:21--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Wizard_Mon1 @ 15 March 2004 - 03:21)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@15 March 2004 - 02:17

Originally posted by Wizard_Mon1@15 March 2004 - 03:13
<!--QuoteBegin-J&#39;Pol@15 March 2004 - 02:10
You work from the premise that "everything is right until proven wrong".

The premise is flawed. Everything is unproven, until proven correct would be more accurate.

As such it is not for others to prove you wrong, it is for you to prove yourself right.

Your argument is specious and smacks of sophistry. (Hi hobbes :D )
Nope, your wrong, i&#39;m right end of story. :P
I hadn&#39;t thought of that, my mistake.

Sorry, I was wrong.
It&#39;s Ok to be wrong.

I am here for you J&#39;pol in your time of need. :hug: [/b][/quote]
Thanks for that, you wee ducker.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@15 March 2004 - 03:10
You work from the premise that "everything is right until proven wrong".

The premise is flawed. Everything is unproven, until proven correct would be more accurate.

As such it is not for others to prove you wrong, it is for you to prove yourself right.

Your argument is specious and smacks of sophistry. (Hi hobbes :D )
Yes, the "null hypothesis"

All avered truisms must be assumed incorrect until they are proved otherwise.

The burden of proof is on the proposer, unless it is ok to be guilty until proven innocent.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by hobbes@14 March 2004 - 21:00
I have noticed a tendancy that when someone is successfully refuted or shown to be wrong, they just disappear.

Isn&#39;t the point of this forum to post what you think is true, but if given new insight, to acknowledge your shortcomings and adapt to new information.

Is it so hard to admit you are wrong? I guess it all boils down to how secure you are offline.

I welcome criticism as it allows me to appreciate whether I am right or if there are different perspectives I should consider.

If I had all the right answers, there would be no point to post.
Alot of people have tremendous egos and being wrong gets in the way.

I&#39;ve noticed college students and alumni are the ones that have a problem with being wrong. They have had their heads buried in books and this is their outlet to skeet their knowledge upon us poor souls.

I see it not just on here but among my friends with their Master&#39;s degree&#39;s (I did not finish btw).

The lot of them lack some common sense or yet claim there is no such thing because it has not been proven. :lol: :lol:

[j2k4]

All right, then-

What have I missed? :huh:

[4th gen]

I&#39;m wrong more than I&#39;m right. I can occasionally admit when I&#39;m wrong (but only when it&#39;s a matter of objectivity, not when subjectivity comes into it)

[Busyman]

Originally posted by 4th gen@14 March 2004 - 23:42
I&#39;m wrong more than I&#39;m right. I can occasionally admit when I&#39;m wrong (but only when it&#39;s a matter of objectivity, not when subjectivity comes into it)
I&#39;m rarely wrong. :lol: :lol:

[DivineBeingX]

i have to much pride to be wrong so even if i am proven wrong i will always think that i am right. This is the truth <_<

[j2k4]

As I have found being right to be a genuine asset in all situations and conditions, I have selected it as my "default" position.

Being correct is also a habit, though some would disagree, I&#39;m sure. ;)

[vidcc]

Of course i could be wrong in assuming this but it seems that the point is people whos opinions are supposedly wrong disappearing, which could just be they are fed up arguing. What is to say that even if 300 people think one thing the only person to think otherwise is wrong? Opinions can&#39;t really be thought of as wrong because it&#39;s just an opinion based on the facts held at the time and if someone comes up with a differing viewpoint that makes one think differently it doesn&#39;t mean that person was wrong...just outdated.
Every viewpoint no matter how much it contradicts ones own is valid unless one is talking plain black and white facts, i couldn&#39;t agrue that G.W.Bush is coloured because it&#39;s a fact that he is white, but i could argue that his policies are flawed and be countered by someone that thinks they are perfect and both views could be considered correct.
I used to like debating back in my school days because we would always be made to argue against our own views and it taught me that there are always 2 sides (ok not always).
There are a few people on the forum that i have debated strongly with and even though i often fail to agree with opinions opposed to my own i do consider them and respect those views. I think the hardest thing to admit to is when one has conflicting views within oneself and is torn between making a choice on those views.
It is ok to be wrong, we are all human after all, what is not ok is a "told you so" superiority attitude.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by vidcc@15 March 2004 - 02:43
Opinions can&#39;t really be thought of as wrong because it&#39;s just an opinion based on the facts held at the time and if someone comes up with a differing viewpoint that makes one think differently it doesn&#39;t mean that person was wrong...just outdated.
Every viewpoint no matter how much it contradicts ones own is valid unless one is talking plain black and white facts,

No offense, vidcc, but:

It is important to remember that while one is entitled to one&#39;s own opinion, one is not entitled to one&#39;s own facts.

Regrettfully, genuine facts are a bit difficult to come by; merely googling something often gets you nothing more than additional opinions, albeit with fancier wardrobes, clad in all the latest fashions.

It is certainly not true that every viewpoint is valid.

Many viewpoints are utterly ridiculous, and we should not be shy of dismissing them as such.

[vidcc]

Originally posted by j2k4@14 March 2004 - 21:59

It is important to remember that while one is entitled to one&#39;s own opinion, one is not entitled to one&#39;s own facts.

It is certainly not true that every viewpoint is valid.

Many viewpoints are utterly ridiculous, and we should not be shy of dismissing them as such.
ok that&#39;s why i said "facts held at the time" meaning they are to the best of knowledge true (it was once a considered fact that the earth was flat for example, but later proven to be wrong). I am not confusing someone&#39;s opininion with that person being misinformed
Who is to decide what is to be considered as ridiculous? (i have been as guilty as everyone else in deciding i have to admit) what is ridiculous to one may not be to others. Yes some opinions are totally out there and can be downright offensive and laughable but in the mind of the holders they are valid no matter how many view them as fools
That said i do see what you are saying and am not picking at it.

[j2k4]

Then I am just being a bit more judgemental than you are willing to be, vid.

Some opinions (I know you&#39;ve seen them, &#39;cuz you&#39;re here, just like me) are not valid, and to grant them standing in any way, shape or form does a dis-service to reasonable discourse, and also to the holder of the "opinion" in question.

This is kind of a pet-peeve of mine:

I do not speak of you, here, but those who demand respect as the first order of business in debate so as to reinforce their self-esteem are idiots.

Self-esteem is the product of a working mind, not a prerequisite for same.

Ill-considered expression mistaken for free speech is an offense to the ears, or, in the case of this forum, the eyes. ;)

[thewizeard]

Of course it is not ok to be wrong, one should be drawn en quartered&#33; You will not see me back in this thread....so there. :fugley:

[zapjb]

I agree some people are shattered if they are proved to be wrong. It reminds me when I was younger &#39;70&#39;s-&#39;80&#39;s. I&#39;d get in fights on very rare occasions. Before I&#39;d fight, I&#39;d ask myself if I could win. On the other hand I didn&#39;t fight anyone who couldn&#39;t defend themselves.
Now I don&#39;t fight, too old. Plus I think it&#39;s stupid. But if I did fight these days. I&#39;d have to ask myself an additional question. Can this guy take a beating without coming after me with a gun.
I think people who can&#39;t stand to be wrong are apt to be the same people who can&#39;t take a beating.

[bigboab]

As said before, most peple dont just &#39;disappear&#39; because they are wrong. They disappear because they are fed up hitting their head against a brick wall. Some people will not admit that they are wrong, but will continue argueing despite being proved to the contrary.

[Yogi]

Dear Hobbes; A fine one&#33;&#33;


One of my major personal innovations over the last ten years was that being right

is sooo nonessential&#33;&#33;&#33;

It&#39;s a proces as nicely put by VIDCC(Wow&#33;&#33;) and also nicely put in perspective by

the likes of J2K4. :01:

When i was younger(ohhh, sweet youth&#33;&#33; :lol: ) i distracted(or at least i tried to)

identity from making my point and being right. :angry:

I am truely thankfull now i left that path for a life more pointed at having actual

communication and true contact. Having a focus on making your point can be so

much in the way of what others are about&#33;&#33;&#33; :helpsmile:

Though i think most discussions in the lounge are rather harmless, some people

show severe handicaps in communication. If i see a chance in pointing that out to

them i a harmless way, i will. :P

Oh, and being proven wrong actually feels good to me, it means room to

improvement; wich is nice&#33;&#33;

I like progession.


Yogi

[hooked]

Originally posted by hobbes@15 March 2004 - 01:00
Is it so hard to admit you are wrong? I guess it all boils down to how secure you are offline.


i have a tendency to look a bit harsh sometims but i have no problem of showing that i was wrong .........


proof (http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=103264&view=findpost&p=927976) ;)

[lynx]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@15 March 2004 - 01:01
Liam&#39;s sausage in vegetable oil
Now that&#39;s just plain wrong. :o

[j2k4]

Originally posted by bigboab@15 March 2004 - 07:19
As said before, most peple dont just &#39;disappear&#39; because they are wrong. They disappear because they are fed up hitting their head against a brick wall. Some people will not admit that they are wrong, but will continue argueing despite being proved to the contrary.
BB-

Quite true; I&#39;ve taken that time-out myself on occasion.

Yogi-

Also nicely put; rest assured, I am not so insistent off-line.

In "non-political" mode, I could easily be mistaken for someone who is, at times, wrong.

Only a close inspection would reveal the fallacy of such thinking. :D

[shn]

It is not ok to be wrong when you claim to be right.

As for the truth.............it is hardcore facts that matter, not one&#39;s own fictitious assumptions.

The truth indeed hurts. And some people just can not handle pain. :)

[Yogi]

Originally posted by j2k4+15 March 2004 - 17:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 &#064; 15 March 2004 - 17:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigboab@15 March 2004 - 07:19
As said before, most peple dont just &#39;disappear&#39; because they are wrong. They disappear because they are fed up hitting their head against a brick wall. Some people will not admit that they are wrong, but will continue argueing despite being proved to the contrary.
BB-

Quite true; I&#39;ve taken that time-out myself on occasion.

Yogi-

Also nicely put; rest assured, I am not so insistent off-line.

In "non-political" mode, I could easily be mistaken for someone who is, at times, wrong.

Only a close inspection would reveal the fallacy of such thinking. :D [/b][/quote]
:P

Rest assured, i did my part in insistent fallacious reasoning. :lol:

Hell, maybe i still base a lot on that....... :blink:

Imagine seeing it all............ :helpsmile:


Yogi

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by j2k4@15 March 2004 - 06:59

Many viewpoints are utterly ridiculous, and we should not be shy of dismissing them as such.
Preposterous drivel, but I mean that in a good way.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+16 March 2004 - 00:04--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol &#064; 16 March 2004 - 00:04)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-j2k4@15 March 2004 - 06:59

Many viewpoints are utterly ridiculous, and we should not be shy of dismissing them as such.
Preposterous drivel, but I mean that in a good way.[/b][/quote]
Is that tautologous, at all?

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by hobbes+16 March 2004 - 00:39--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes @ 16 March 2004 - 00:39)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@16 March 2004 - 00:04
<!--QuoteBegin-j2k4@15 March 2004 - 06:59

Many viewpoints are utterly ridiculous, and we should not be shy of dismissing them as such.
Preposterous drivel, but I mean that in a good way.
Is that tautologous, at all? [/b][/quote]
I don&#39;t know.

Now you have the hook, line and sinker would you like me to post the rod as well.

Snailmail obviously.

[seiya_33]

well i for one dont like to be proven wrong , but that doesnt mean im going to leave , its just really bad for my ego to be proven wrong , but how else am i going to learn , i really give people a chance to state what they think and if right i accept i was wrong , and continue in my pursuit of the truth :lol:

[Biggles]

:lol:

J&#39;Pol

Whilst I agree "long diatribe" is a tad inelegant - you do know when you have been long diatribed. It invariably invoves ones brain turning into a particularly runny brie and attempting escape through the ears.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Biggles@16 March 2004 - 00:52
:lol:

J&#39;Pol

Whilst I agree "long diatribe" is a tad inelegant - you do know when you have been long diatribed. It invariably invoves ones brain turning into a particularly runny brie and attempting escape through the ears.
H2G2 if I&#39;m not much mistaken. If not it should have been.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+16 March 2004 - 00:42--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol &#064; 16 March 2004 - 00:42)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by hobbes@16 March 2004 - 00:39

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@16 March 2004 - 00:04
<!--QuoteBegin-j2k4@15 March 2004 - 06:59

Many viewpoints are utterly ridiculous, and we should not be shy of dismissing them as such.
Preposterous drivel, but I mean that in a good way.
Is that tautologous, at all?
I don&#39;t know.

Now you have the hook, line and sinker would you like me to post the rod as well.

Snailmail obviously.[/b][/quote]
I think you&#39;re going to need to get a bigger boat, Mr Schieder
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[vidcc]

Originally posted by hobbes@15 March 2004 - 16:40

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my shark can whip your sharks ass... :lol: :lol:


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[hobbes]

Originally posted by Busyman@15 March 2004 - 04:28
Alot of people have tremendous egos and being wrong gets in the way.

I&#39;ve noticed college students and alumni are the ones that have a problem with being wrong. They have had their heads buried in books and this is their outlet to skeet their knowledge upon us poor souls.

I see it not just on here but among my friends with their Master&#39;s degree&#39;s (I did not finish btw).

The lot of them lack some common sense or yet claim there is no such thing because it has not been proven. :lol:&nbsp; :lol:
The irony that someone who believes in an unknowable God and pretends to know what he wants, is giving me lectures on "common sense" is almost more than I can bear.

I put stock in things which can be reproducibly duplicated, which is rather logical.

For things that are merely speculation, with many conflicting opinions, I hestitate to put my eggs in one basket, and take a more, wait and see attitude. I have never said "God" was impossible, he is surely a possibility as we ARE here, but to pretend that I know him is ridiculous. :lol:

[Busyman]

Originally posted by hobbes+15 March 2004 - 23:59--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes @ 15 March 2004 - 23:59)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Busyman@15 March 2004 - 04:28
Alot of people have tremendous egos and being wrong gets in the way.

I&#39;ve noticed college students and alumni are the ones that have a problem with being wrong. They have had their heads buried in books and this is their outlet to skeet their knowledge upon us poor souls.

I see it not just on here but among my friends with their Master&#39;s degree&#39;s (I did not finish btw).

The lot of them lack some common sense or yet claim there is no such thing because it has not been proven. :lol: :lol:
The irony that someone who believes in an unknowable God and pretends to know what he wants, is giving me lectures on "common sense" is almost more than I can bear.

I put stock in things which can be reproducibly duplicated, which is rather logical.

For things that are merely speculation, with many conflicting opinions, I hestitate to put my eggs in one basket, and take a more, wait and see attitude. I have never said "God" was impossible, he is surely a possibility as we ARE here, but to pretend that I know him is ridiculous. :lol: [/b]
Who was talking about you? First and foremost, before trying to "bear" something in the first place make sure you are individually being addressed.

If you feel the shoe fits, so be it. :huh:

Obviously things that have not been proven are up for debate and that&#39;s good.
Whatever you are on about with this God diatribe....well.... let me in on it. :blink:

<!--QuoteBegin-hobbes
I have never said "God" was impossible, he is surely a possibility as we ARE here, but to pretend that I know him is ridiculous[/quote]

And I never said :blink: you said God :blink: was impossible. :blink:

[hobbes]

Perhaps I had a lapse in common sense?

Good one Busy. :lol:

[NikkiD]

I&#39;ve just read this entire thread and I must say...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

To your original question - I think it&#39;s fine to be wrong. I admit it when I&#39;m wrong.

HOWEVER

I will go out of my way to try and prove that I am right. At times, this can be frustrating to those around me (my boyfriend will attest to this, and abhors the words "fine, let me check google.") I generally find that for me, it is easier to steer clear of the more serious discussions on the forum for this reason, to keep things light. This is also partly due to the position I hold here, where oft times taking sides isn&#39;t advisable, and appearing neutral is.

Will I disappear if I am proven wrong? I don&#39;t think that I have, but you can prove me wrong. :)

[hobbes]

Nikki? Nikki?

Where the hell did she go?

Typical&#33;

[NikkiD]

http://www.cains-cottage.co.uk/smileys/laughing1.gif

Just my usual "drive-by" posting on my way to bed - or rather to watch the Sopranos. I missed it last night, and I&#39;ve been itching to watch it since it finished downloading... but I promised I would wait for Chris to get home from work. He&#39;s now fallen asleep with his notebook on his lap... but he&#39;s home, so I&#39;m going to watch it anyway. He didn&#39;t stipulate that he had to be home AND awake. :)

And now that I&#39;ve done my usual and taken this well off topic... :rolleyes:

[j2k4]

Originally posted by hobbes@16 March 2004 - 00:59
I put stock in things which can be reproducibly duplicated, which is rather logical.


It may be logical, but that there is an oxy-somethingorother.

I read about them somewhere. ;)

[j2k4]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+15 March 2004 - 20:04--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol @ 15 March 2004 - 20:04)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-j2k4@15 March 2004 - 06:59

Many viewpoints are utterly ridiculous, and we should not be shy of dismissing them as such.
Preposterous drivel, but I mean that in a good way. [/b][/quote]
It had the desired effect, then. ;)

I couldn&#39;t suss another way to get you to post. :huh:

[Wizard_Mon1]

Originally posted by Busyman+16 March 2004 - 04:36--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman @ 16 March 2004 - 04:36)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by hobbes+15 March 2004 - 23:59--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes &#064; 15 March 2004 - 23:59)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Busyman@15 March 2004 - 04:28
Alot of people have tremendous egos and being wrong gets in the way.

I&#39;ve noticed college students and alumni are the ones that have a problem with being wrong. They have had their heads buried in books and this is their outlet to skeet their knowledge upon us poor souls.

I see it not just on here but among my friends with their Master&#39;s degree&#39;s (I did not finish btw).

The lot of them lack some common sense or yet claim there is no such thing because it has not been proven. :lol:&nbsp; :lol:
The irony that someone who believes in an unknowable God and pretends to know what he wants, is giving me lectures on "common sense" is almost more than I can bear.

I put stock in things which can be reproducibly duplicated, which is rather logical.

For things that are merely speculation, with many conflicting opinions, I hestitate to put my eggs in one basket, and take a more, wait and see attitude. I have never said "God" was impossible, he is surely a possibility as we ARE here, but to pretend that I know him is ridiculous. :lol: [/b]
Who was talking about you? First and foremost, before trying to "bear" something in the first place make sure you are individually being addressed.

If you feel the shoe fits, so be it. :huh:

Obviously things that have not been proven are up for debate and that&#39;s good.
Whatever you are on about with this God diatribe....well.... let me in on it. :blink:

<!--QuoteBegin-hobbes
I have never said "God" was impossible, he is surely a possibility as we ARE here, but to pretend that I know him is ridiculous[/quote]

And I never said :blink: you said God :blink: was impossible. :blink: [/b][/quote]
Busy, i think that post by hobbes was directed straight at my head, albeit in defence of of what he thought you were posting about.

/me ducks. (Get it, ducks.)


Almost more than i can bear :lol: :lol: LMFAO :lol: :lol:

Well, i am sorry for burdening your supierior mind. <_<

All i was saying was similar to what you have been saying and that is you can&#39;t be sure, i might have direct experience of an &#39;unknowable&#39; god and you wouldn&#39;t know it, you would, however, continue to argue that i couldn&#39;t because it doesn&#39;t fit into your world view. :ph34r:

There are differing views, you so adamently stand by and publish your views, i am just doing the same, standing by my views. I think that is fair. :smilie4: But if it is more than you can bear...

http://www.wspa.org.uk/data/071202_142430_bear_carried_in_snow_-_200.jpg

:P

I apologise if i have interperted your post wrongly but it sounded like it was directed at me, so i replyed.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by Wizard_Mon1+16 March 2004 - 12:43--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Wizard_Mon1 @ 16 March 2004 - 12:43)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Busyman+16 March 2004 - 04:36--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman &#064; 16 March 2004 - 04:36)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by hobbes@15 March 2004 - 23:59
<!--QuoteBegin-Busyman@15 March 2004 - 04:28
Alot of people have tremendous egos and being wrong gets in the way.

I&#39;ve noticed college students and alumni are the ones that have a problem with being wrong. They have had their heads buried in books and this is their outlet to skeet their knowledge upon us poor souls.

I see it not just on here but among my friends with their Master&#39;s degree&#39;s (I did not finish btw).

The lot of them lack some common sense or yet claim there is no such thing because it has not been proven. :lol: :lol:
The irony that someone who believes in an unknowable God and pretends to know what he wants, is giving me lectures on "common sense" is almost more than I can bear.

I put stock in things which can be reproducibly duplicated, which is rather logical.

For things that are merely speculation, with many conflicting opinions, I hestitate to put my eggs in one basket, and take a more, wait and see attitude. I have never said "God" was impossible, he is surely a possibility as we ARE here, but to pretend that I know him is ridiculous. :lol:
Who was talking about you? First and foremost, before trying to "bear" something in the first place make sure you are individually being addressed.

If you feel the shoe fits, so be it. :huh:

Obviously things that have not been proven are up for debate and that&#39;s good.
Whatever you are on about with this God diatribe....well.... let me in on it. :blink:

<!--QuoteBegin-hobbes
I have never said "God" was impossible, he is surely a possibility as we ARE here, but to pretend that I know him is ridiculous

And I never said :blink: you said God :blink: was impossible. :blink: [/b][/quote]
Busy, i think that post by hobbes was directed straight at my head, albeit in defence of of what he thought you were posting about.

/me ducks. (Get it, ducks.)


Almost more than i can bear :lol: :lol: LMFAO :lol: :lol:

Well, i am sorry for burdening your supierior mind. <_<

All i was saying was similar to what you have been saying and that is you can&#39;t be sure, i might have direct experience of an &#39;unknowable&#39; god and you wouldn&#39;t know it, you would, however, continue to argue that i couldn&#39;t because it doesn&#39;t fit into your world view. :ph34r:

There are differing views, you so adamently stand by and publish your views, i am just doing the same, standing by my views. I think that is fair. :smilie4: But if it is more than you can bear...

http://www.wspa.org.uk/data/071202_142430_bear_carried_in_snow_-_200.jpg

:P

I apologise if i have interperted your post wrongly but it sounded like it was directed at me, so i replyed. [/b][/quote]
Well he quoted me not you, Wiz.

Did I catch a stray bullet meant for you Mon?

[bigboab]

Always remember the old adage. &#39;The man that never made a mistake, never made anything&#39;. B)