Advice On New Graphics Card

[Illuminati]

Okay, here's the deal - I bought Deus Ex: Invisible War yesterday and it seems like my GeForce 4 MX 440 isn't up to scratch for it :(

Am I going to take it back? F*** no - I'm just going to buy a compatible graphics card for it :D

I've got around 60-80 to spend, but at a pinch it could go up to 110-130. Below are the chipsets that are compatible - The question is what's the best card to get with that budget, and where can I get it at its cheapest? :)

COMPATIBLE CHIPSETS
ATI Radeon 8500
ATI Radeon 9 Series (9000, 9200, 9600, 9800)
nVidia GeForce 3 Ti Series (No MX supported)
nVidia GeForce 4 Ti Series (No MX supported :angry:)
GeForce FX Series

Graphics card must support Pixel Shader

[Dray_04]

I'd personally recommend the R9600XT because its cheap (depending on where you live) and it delivers great performance for its price.

If you havent already noticed bigdawg made an awesome graphic card guide (http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=99637), so read that and then tell us your status

:cool2:

[Skillian]

I'm looking at new graphics cards at the moment, and I'm on a similar budget, maybe a bit lower than yours. Bookmarked so far are...

Mediamax/PowerColor Radeon 9600 PRO 128MB DDR ATI TV-Out DVI-I Retail Box (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X3Jldmlld3M=&product_uid=59147)
Nice and cheap at £76, but not quite true 9600 Pro speeds.

Gigabyte Radeon 9600 Pro 128MB AGP VO (http://www.dabs.com/uk/productView.htm?quicklinx=30D5)
Pretty nice for £100

GeXCube Radeon 9600XT 128MB DDR AGP DVI VO (http://www.dabs.com/uk/channels/components/graphicscards/productView.htm?quicklinx=30RQ)
Also £100, but again not true XT speeds and I've never heard of the brand.

Abit GF FX5700 Ultra 128MB DDR AGP D/VO (http://www.dabs.com/uk/channels/components/graphicscards/productView.htm?quicklinx=30RC)
£94, just to throw a Nvidia in there.

Asus ATI Radeon 9600XT/TVD 128MB & Half Life 2 Bundle - Retail (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/asus_ati_graphics_cards.html)
Bit pricey for me at £127, but nice card and Half Life voucher too.

Hightech ATI Radeon 9600XT 128MB AGP x8 Platinum Retail Box with Half Life 2 Voucher (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X3Jldmlld3M=&product_uid=58177)
Nice card again, £122.

Not much advice, but maybe some suggestions for you. Let us know what you choose and how it performs, cos I won't be getting mine for about a month yet.

edit: Oh, and if you or anyone else finds something nice between that £76 and £100 mark, it would be nice to see.

[RGX]

If you can, wait for the new cards from nVIDIA and ATI.

1) They may offer a new budget card :)

2) The new cards are going to ram down the prices of the current cards :)

My two cents, expect a 1-2 month wait though :(

[Mad Cat]

The HIS 9600XT is supposed to be the best 9600XT going.

[lynx]

If you don't need VIVO or DVI, you can save (quite a lot of) money by avoiding cards with those features.

No point in buying features you aren't going to use when you could spend the same money on a higher spec gpu.

[Dray_04]

i have the GeXcube r9600XT which is suppose to be the lowest end of the r9600xt's . but i havent experienced anything bad with this card. its great

[bigdawgfoxx]

Ya my dumb ass friends mom (the one who wouldnt let me build the comp some of u may remember..lol) had some guy build them one with a faulty msi board, 512mb offbrand memory, Athlon 64 3000, and a 9800Pro and a thermaltake case which is a waste when on a budget lol...900 bux..with no HDD or optical...everything I listed is what it came with...they got there asses ripped off..and i told them to wait cuz ati is comin out with new cards and everything will go down in price alot and theres fixin to be a new case format (BTX) and everything..but they wanted to get advanced technology...when they got it a couple of months before new stuff comes out like pci express and new cards...dumbshits haha

[kaiweiler]

The HIS 9600XT is supposed to be the best 9600XT going.
that's what I have, and i love it!
500 core clock speed, very nice to look at, w/ blue led heatsink and fan
ram heatsinks on both sides of the card, VIVO, Svideo, the works
performs very well, and stays quite cool as well

[tesco]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@15 March 2004 - 23:10
Ya my dumb ass friends mom (the one who wouldnt let me build the comp some of u may remember..lol) had some guy build them one with a faulty msi board, 512mb offbrand memory, Athlon 64 3000, and a 9800Pro and a thermaltake case which is a waste when on a budget lol...900 bux..with no HDD or optical...everything I listed is what it came with...they got there asses ripped off..and i told them to wait cuz ati is comin out with new cards and everything will go down in price alot and theres fixin to be a new case format (BTX) and everything..but they wanted to get advanced technology...when they got it a couple of months before new stuff comes out like pci express and new cards...dumbshits haha
i remember, it pisses me off too. i hate that. lots of people are like that its just cause your young they think you cant do it. just forget it and when your older you can rip people off too haha. j/k dont rip ppl off its not nice.

[Illuminati]

Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004+16 March 2004 - 05:20--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ROSSCO_2004 @ 16 March 2004 - 05:20)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@15 March 2004 - 23:10
Ya my dumb ass friends mom (the one who wouldnt let me build the comp some of u may remember..lol) had some guy build them one with a faulty msi board, 512mb offbrand memory, Athlon 64 3000, and a 9800Pro and a thermaltake case which is a waste when on a budget lol...900 bux..with no HDD or optical...everything I listed is what it came with...they got there asses ripped off..and i told them to wait cuz ati is comin out with new cards and everything will go down in price alot and theres fixin to be a new case format (BTX) and everything..but they wanted to get advanced technology...when they got it a couple of months before new stuff comes out like pci express and new cards...dumbshits haha
i remember, it pisses me off too. i hate that. lots of people are like that its just cause your young they think you cant do it. just forget it and when your older you can rip people off too haha. j/k dont rip ppl off its not nice. [/b][/quote]
In a way, it&#39;s a good thing.

The alternative - People move away from buying stock with crap parts and start buying the parts seperately in order to build them. Large PC retailers like PC World go out of business due to their lucrative stock PC market collapsing (good thing), and people go into the parts market instead. As a result, prices in the parts market start to inflate instead :(

Course it isn&#39;t that good if you end up with a stock yourself :( But it is something to think about that those people who end up buying s**t are keeping the prices down for the rest of us ;)

Back to the point - Thanks for the help guys :) Going to start looking properly at this when my IT coursework&#39;s handed in on Wednesday :) In the meantime, I&#39;ve been seeing mid-high end GFXs going on auctions for as low as £20-£40. Can anyone comment on the reliability of using eBay? :unsure:

[Skillian]

Reliability really depends on the seller. Check out their feedback for an idea, but there&#39;s always some risk.

Only 3 1/2 hours to go, currently at £94.

*NEW* ATI Radeon 9800 Pro w/128MB Samsung Chip RAM NoRe (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2794247558&category=27387)

I wish I had some money now, for that price I&#39;d definitely risk it.

[tesco]

Originally posted by Illuminati+16 March 2004 - 06:08--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Illuminati @ 16 March 2004 - 06:08)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004@16 March 2004 - 05:20
<!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@15 March 2004 - 23:10
Ya my dumb ass friends mom (the one who wouldnt let me build the comp some of u may remember..lol) had some guy build them one with a faulty msi board, 512mb offbrand memory, Athlon 64 3000, and a 9800Pro and a thermaltake case which is a waste when on a budget lol...900 bux..with no HDD or optical...everything I listed is what it came with...they got there asses ripped off..and i told them to wait cuz ati is comin out with new cards and everything will go down in price alot and theres fixin to be a new case format (BTX) and everything..but they wanted to get advanced technology...when they got it a couple of months before new stuff comes out like pci express and new cards...dumbshits haha
i remember, it pisses me off too. i hate that. lots of people are like that its just cause your young they think you cant do it. just forget it and when your older you can rip people off too haha. j/k dont rip ppl off its not nice.
In a way, it&#39;s a good thing.

The alternative - People move away from buying stock with crap parts and start buying the parts seperately in order to build them. Large PC retailers like PC World go out of business due to their lucrative stock PC market collapsing (good thing), and people go into the parts market instead. As a result, prices in the parts market start to inflate instead :(

Course it isn&#39;t that good if you end up with a stock yourself :( But it is something to think about that those people who end up buying s**t are keeping the prices down for the rest of us ;)

Back to the point - Thanks for the help guys :) Going to start looking properly at this when my IT coursework&#39;s handed in on Wednesday :) In the meantime, I&#39;ve been seeing mid-high end GFXs going on auctions for as low as £20-£40. Can anyone comment on the reliability of using eBay? :unsure: [/b][/quote]
well hes got a good positivw feedback so hes probably not ripping you off. my dad and sister have bought a few things on ebay and havent been ripped off yet.

[Illuminati]

Just for ideas, I&#39;ve been having a look in my past issues of PC Gamer - Not exactly the best source for finding the best hardware (but not the worst either :P), but there&#39;s one card that seems to stand out

PNY Verto GeForce FX 5200 128Mb (http://www.pny-europe.com/de/verto_fx_5200_agp.asp)

Glowing review from PCG UK and a few other review sites, citing it&#39;s level of performance similar to the mid-high range of the previous GeForce4 cards, it&#39;s performance again ATI&#39;s equivalents (Radeon 9000 and 9200). Not as good to be expected to run HL2 or Doom 3 at maximum (well this is a budget card :P) but supposedly great surface for the price.

Originally reviewed in August at about £85 - Still remains the favourite budget card it seems, but time has taken it down to less than £60. Should be able to get it at around the 40-50 quid mark B)

Of course, it is a bit old :S Anyone got a better suggestion per chance? :)

[Skillian]

The FX200 doesn&#39;t have a good reputation. I don&#39;t even think it would really be able to run Deus Ex: Invisible War.

[atiVidia]

dood illu- theres a pinned topic (http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=99637) on this already my friend

next time, look b4 you ask :)

request sent to mods to close topic :)


also, google an fx5500 cuz the 5200 &#036;hits like hell

[Illuminati]

OFF-TOPIC
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Look - If we in Softwareworld can deal with god knows how many "Which browser?", "Which download manager?" etc, you guys can deal with a "Which GFX card?" every now & then :lol:

Seriously though - Yep, I saw the guide before I started the topic :) It&#39;s pretty good - A decent amount of information collected into one topic. But it&#39;s still a bit confusing as on face value there&#39;s no way to distinguish cards apart, and it doesn&#39;t take into account the fact that manufacturers create the cards fairly differently from each other.

This topic was pretty much a case of "what level am I looking at (in terms of both cash and ability to play DX:IW)?", "what manufacturer looks to be the best to produce it (this can vary per card ;)), and "what&#39;s the lowest price anyone&#39;s seen it at?" :) If it&#39;s ended up the same as the other "which GFX" topics, I apologise - But I did try to vary it by saying what I needed it for (i.e. the ability to play DXIW):smilie4:

If it&#39;s still not allowed then fine - VB, feel free to close the topic :) But ati, you ain&#39;t a mod so don&#39;t act like it (I&#39;ve already learnt that lesson ;)). If you&#39;re going to report, then just report and don&#39;t say it like a brag ;)
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BACK ON-TOPIC

I&#39;ve been having a look at the 5500 and it&#39;s got some decent reviews - But I can&#39;t find an online store for it anywhere :blink: Got a site that sells them ati? I need to check its price compared to FX5200s :unsure:

[CornerPocket]

Originally posted by Illuminati@17 March 2004 - 02:55
This topic was pretty much a case of "what level am I looking at (in terms of both cash and ability to play DX:IW)?", "what manufacturer looks to be the best to produce it (this can vary per card ;)), and "what&#39;s the lowest price anyone&#39;s seen it at?" :)

Reason enough to remain open; requesting specific not just in general as most are. Continue the research :book:

[tesco]

Originally posted by Illuminati@17 March 2004 - 04:55
I&#39;ve been having a look at the 5500 and it&#39;s got some decent reviews - But I can&#39;t find an online store for it anywhere :blink: Got a site that sells them ati? I need to check its price compared to FX5200s :unsure:

nevermind im wrong.

[atiVidia]

Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004+17 March 2004 - 12:26--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ROSSCO_2004 &#064; 17 March 2004 - 12:26)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Illuminati@17 March 2004 - 04:55
I&#39;ve been having a look at the 5500 and it&#39;s got some decent reviews - But I can&#39;t find an online store for it anywhere :blink:&nbsp; Got a site that sells them ati? I need to check its price compared to FX5200s :unsure:
there is no geforce FX 5500, and the latest ATI cards are all in the 9xxx numbers.

there is a 5600 by nvidia which is the next level up from a 5200. You can check out the performance increases in the pinned topic. [/b][/quote]
there is a gfx 5500

http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/googleisyourfriend.gif (http://www.google.com/search?&q=geforce%20fx%205500) you idiot

or buy one here (http://www.dcs-online.biz/shop/product_info.php/products_id/3258)

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by CornerPocket+17 March 2004 - 08:14--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CornerPocket &#064; 17 March 2004 - 08:14)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Illuminati@17 March 2004 - 02:55
This topic was pretty much a case of "what level am I looking at (in terms of both cash and ability to play DX:IW)?", "what manufacturer looks to be the best to produce it (this can vary per card ;)), and "what&#39;s the lowest price anyone&#39;s seen it at?" :)

Reason enough to remain open; requesting specific not just in general as most are. Continue the research :book:[/b][/quote]
Agreed


and...


there is a 5600 by nvidia which is the next level up from a 5200. You can check out the performance increases in the pinned topic.
there is a gfx 5500

http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/googleisyourfriend.gif (http://www.google.com/search?&q=geforce%20fx%205500) you idiot

or buy one here (http://www.dcs-online.biz/shop/product_info.php/products_id/3258)

Was the "idiot" comment really needed? :nono:

[tesco]

Originally posted by atiVidia+17 March 2004 - 14:17--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (atiVidia &#064; 17 March 2004 - 14:17)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004@17 March 2004 - 12:26
<!--QuoteBegin-Illuminati@17 March 2004 - 04:55
I&#39;ve been having a look at the 5500 and it&#39;s got some decent reviews - But I can&#39;t find an online store for it anywhere :blink: Got a site that sells them ati? I need to check its price compared to FX5200s :unsure:
there is no geforce FX 5500, and the latest ATI cards are all in the 9xxx numbers.

there is a 5600 by nvidia which is the next level up from a 5200. You can check out the performance increases in the pinned topic.
there is a gfx 5500

http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/googleisyourfriend.gif (http://www.google.com/search?&q=geforce%20fx%205500) you idiot

or buy one here (http://www.dcs-online.biz/shop/product_info.php/products_id/3258) [/b][/quote]
it isnt listed on the Nvidia website anywhere that i can find. her are the ones that are:

TNT2
TNT2 Pro
TNT2 Ultra
TNT2 Model 64 (M64)
TNT2 Model 64 (M64) Pro
Vanta
Vanta LT
GeForce 256
GeForce DDR
GeForce2 MX
GeForce2 MX 100
GeForce2 MX 200
GeForce2 MX 400
GeForce2 GTS
GeForce2 Pro
GeForce2 Ti
GeForce2 Ultra
GeForce3
GeForce3 Ti 200
GeForce3 Ti 500
GeForce4 MX 460
GeForce4 MX 440
GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X
GeForce4 MX440SE with AGP8X
GeForce4 MX 420
GeForce2 MX Integrated graphics
GeForce4 MX Integrated graphics
GeForce4 Ti 4200
GeForce4 TI 4200 with AGP8X
GeForce4 Ti 4400
GeForce4 Ti 4600
GeForce4 Ti 4800
GeForce4 Ti 4800SE
GeForce FX 5200
GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
GeForce FX 5600
GeForce FX 5600SE
GeForce FX 5600 Ultra
GeForce FX 5700
GeForce FX 5700 Ultra
GeForce FX 5800
GeForce FX 5800 Ultra
GeForce FX 5900
GeForce FX 5900 Ultra
GeForce FX 5900 XT
GeForce FX 5950 Ultra
Quadro
Quadro2 Pro
Quadro2 EX
Quadro2 MXR
Quadro DCC
Quadro4 200 NVS
Quadro4 400 NVS
Quadro4 500 XGL
Quadro4 550 XGL
Quadro4 700 XGL
Quadro4 750 XGL
Quadro4 900 XGL
Quadro4 980 XGL
Quadro FX 500
Quadro FX 1000
Quadro FX 1100
Quadro FX 2000
Quadro FX 3000
Quadro FX 3000G

apparently the nvidia site hasnt been updated in a while...

[Mad Cat]

Brand new 9800 (pro I think, go check :P) for £120 at eBuyer (http://www.ebuyer.co.uk). Go now&#33;&#33;

[atiVidia]

Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004+17 March 2004 - 14:33--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ROSSCO_2004 &#064; 17 March 2004 - 14:33)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by atiVidia@17 March 2004 - 14:17

Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004@17 March 2004 - 12:26
<!--QuoteBegin-Illuminati@17 March 2004 - 04:55
I&#39;ve been having a look at the 5500 and it&#39;s got some decent reviews - But I can&#39;t find an online store for it anywhere :blink:&nbsp; Got a site that sells them ati? I need to check its price compared to FX5200s :unsure:
there is no geforce FX 5500, and the latest ATI cards are all in the 9xxx numbers.

there is a 5600 by nvidia which is the next level up from a 5200. You can check out the performance increases in the pinned topic.
there is a gfx 5500

http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/googleisyourfriend.gif (http://www.google.com/search?&q=geforce%20fx%205500) you idiot

or buy one here (http://www.dcs-online.biz/shop/product_info.php/products_id/3258)
it isnt listed on the Nvidia website anywhere that i can find. her are the ones that are:

TNT2
TNT2 Pro
TNT2 Ultra
TNT2 Model 64 (M64)
TNT2 Model 64 (M64) Pro
Vanta
Vanta LT
GeForce 256
GeForce DDR
GeForce2 MX
GeForce2 MX 100
GeForce2 MX 200
GeForce2 MX 400
GeForce2 GTS
GeForce2 Pro
GeForce2 Ti
GeForce2 Ultra
GeForce3
GeForce3 Ti 200
GeForce3 Ti 500
GeForce4 MX 460
GeForce4 MX 440
GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X
GeForce4 MX440SE with AGP8X
GeForce4 MX 420
GeForce2 MX Integrated graphics
GeForce4 MX Integrated graphics
GeForce4 Ti 4200
GeForce4 TI 4200 with AGP8X
GeForce4 Ti 4400
GeForce4 Ti 4600
GeForce4 Ti 4800
GeForce4 Ti 4800SE
GeForce FX 5200
GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
GeForce FX 5600
GeForce FX 5600SE
GeForce FX 5600 Ultra
GeForce FX 5700
GeForce FX 5700 Ultra
GeForce FX 5800
GeForce FX 5800 Ultra
GeForce FX 5900
GeForce FX 5900 Ultra
GeForce FX 5900 XT
GeForce FX 5950 Ultra
Quadro
Quadro2 Pro
Quadro2 EX
Quadro2 MXR
Quadro DCC
Quadro4 200 NVS
Quadro4 400 NVS
Quadro4 500 XGL
Quadro4 550 XGL
Quadro4 700 XGL
Quadro4 750 XGL
Quadro4 900 XGL
Quadro4 980 XGL
Quadro FX 500
Quadro FX 1000
Quadro FX 1100
Quadro FX 2000
Quadro FX 3000
Quadro FX 3000G

no 5500 in there. [/b][/quote]
d00d, if xbitlabs and others have one, then it exists

actually, there is a chance that the web site hasnt been updated, or that it has been renamed, but according to google AND xbitlabs (http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20040212153045.html), it exists. now shut up and go back into your hole <_<

btw, atiVidia is better than nVidia. plus, if it can be purchased, then WHY ARE YOU ARGUING??? they didnt mention the 5900xt until 1 month after it was released so http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/tongue.gifhttp://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/fingerright.gif

EDIT:
http://www.ivmm.com/inno3d/geforcefx/images/products_gf_fx_5500.gif (http://www.ivmm.com/inno3d/geforcefx/products_gf_fx_5500.html)

[tesco]

Originally posted by atiVidia@17 March 2004 - 14:57
btw, atiVidia is better than nVidia. plus, if it can be purchased, then WHY ARE YOU ARGUING??? they didnt mention the 5900xt until 1 month after it was released so
STFU im not the one arguing im admitting im wrong ok now STFU&#33; :angry:

[atiVidia]

Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004+17 March 2004 - 15:10--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ROSSCO_2004 @ 17 March 2004 - 15:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-atiVidia@17 March 2004 - 14:57
btw, atiVidia is better than nVidia. plus, if it can be purchased, then WHY ARE YOU ARGUING??? they didnt mention the 5900xt until 1 month after it was released so
STFU im not the one arguing im admitting im wrong ok now STFU&#33; :angry: [/b][/quote]
ok thats cool now back to the topic...



i think we scared illu away :(

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by atiVidia@17 March 2004 - 13:57
now shut up and go back into your hole <_<


Again, atiVidia, Please stop insulting people.

[Illuminati]

Originally posted by atiVidia@17 March 2004 - 21:13
i think we scared illu away :(
Nope - I&#39;m just waiting for you and Rocco to cool it down or take the argument to its own thread :P

Seriously, it looks like there was/is an FX5500 chipset but the fact that it&#39;s omitted from nVidia&#39;s list is a bad omen IMO - Most likely the chipset was created but has since been discontinued (which would show why some sites show it but most don&#39;t at all). Either way, I ain&#39;t gonna risk it :(

Which means that the main choice is still PNY&#39;s Verto GeForce FX 5200. Any others that could be [more/just as] suitable? (Feel free to recommend cards with price tags going towards £40 above the Verto&#39;s price if you guys want :))

Though I have to admit that the thread has been mainly about the nVidia GeForce FX (not that I&#39;m complaining, being an nVidia fan and all :P), but it&#39;s always worth looking what else is available :). I&#39;m going to have a look at the ATI equivalents - Anyone got any recommendations on the ATI front? :unsure:

[BigBoo]

i am also buying a graphics card, ordered it but it probably wont come. :01: :(


neway my question is; is s-video the same thing as s-vhs?

[Skillian]

Probably won&#39;t come? :huh:

Yep, S-Video is the same as S-VHS. Plug looks like this: http://www.parallab.uib.no/SGI_bookshelves/SGI_Admin/books/POnyx_Desk_OG/sgi_html/figures/Svideo.pinouts.gif

[BigBoo]

i use electron, most companies dont accept

crucial haven&#39;t refused yet so ive got my fingers crossed

how could i plug that into my tv? is there a s-video to scart cable?

[tesco]

Originally posted by Illuminati+17 March 2004 - 17:14--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Illuminati @ 17 March 2004 - 17:14)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-atiVidia@17 March 2004 - 21:13
i think we scared illu away :(
Nope - I&#39;m just waiting for you and Rocco to cool it down or take the argument to its own thread :P

Seriously, it looks like there was/is an FX5500 chipset but the fact that it&#39;s omitted from nVidia&#39;s list is a bad omen IMO - Most likely the chipset was created but has since been discontinued (which would show why some sites show it but most don&#39;t at all). Either way, I ain&#39;t gonna risk it :(

Which means that the main choice is still PNY&#39;s Verto GeForce FX 5200. Any others that could be [more/just as] suitable? (Feel free to recommend cards with price tags going towards £40 above the Verto&#39;s price if you guys want :))

Though I have to admit that the thread has been mainly about the nVidia GeForce FX (not that I&#39;m complaining, being an nVidia fan and all :P), but it&#39;s always worth looking what else is available :). I&#39;m going to have a look at the ATI equivalents - Anyone got any recommendations on the ATI front? :unsure: [/b][/quote]
ATI equivelent to Nvidia is 9200 i think. you could take a look at them.

Next step up (other than the discontinued 9500 and posibly discontinued 5500) are the FX5600 and the radeon 9600. id take a look at these cards too see if they are in your price range, but over here in canada the price of a 5600 or 9600 and a lot higher than the 5200 and 9200 are.

[bigdawgfoxx]

I would get the 9600 over the 5600. I dont exactly know whats going on though cuz i didnt read all the pages.

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@17 March 2004 - 18:37
I would get the 9600 over the 5600. I dont exactly know whats going on though cuz i didnt read all the pages.
BIG dawg, what&#39;s up with your card? Is newegg giving you another one?

[muchspl2]

wish I had 140 bucks :(
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us only :P

[bigdawgfoxx]

I duno...i dont game neway...im too lazy to call..only reason i have a nice card is for benchmarks haha...the mmx440 isnt bugging me at all..just all the spyware shit or whatever haha

Im going to call newegg sometime so I can figure out where to return the card...if i rma it or send it back to the oem..

It will be a while cuz im at drivers ed tilll 730 every day

[tesco]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@17 March 2004 - 22:27
I duno...i dont game neway...im too lazy to call..only reason i have a nice card is for benchmarks haha...the mmx440 isnt bugging me at all..just all the spyware shit or whatever haha

Im going to call newegg sometime so I can figure out where to return the card...if i rma it or send it back to the oem..

It will be a while cuz im at drivers ed tilll 730 every day
get mom or dad to call in. thats what i would so anyway.

im starting drivers ed in a few weeks :)

[kaiweiler]

Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004+17 March 2004 - 23:32--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ROSSCO_2004 @ 17 March 2004 - 23:32)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@17 March 2004 - 22:27
I duno...i dont game neway...im too lazy to call..only reason i have a nice card is for benchmarks haha...the mmx440 isnt bugging me at all..just all the spyware shit or whatever haha

Im going to call newegg sometime so I can figure out where to return the card...if i rma it or send it back to the oem..

It will be a while cuz im at drivers ed tilll 730 every day
get mom or dad to call in. thats what i would so anyway.

im starting drivers ed in a few weeks :) [/b][/quote]
Have fun boys, Drivers Ed is hell, I remember the days...
For me, it was 3 9 hour days of pure hell lol
you just sit there and listen to some idiot telling you it&#39;s bad to go off the road, well no shit&#33; I didn&#39;t really learn anything....
but I passed my actual test quite easily, because the driving time they give you (i got 8 hours) was actually good and you learned stuff
so I only lost 7 points on my test, when you have to lose 45 to fail&#33; :o
but yeah, drivers ed really sucks, but you end up saving a lot of money on insurance, so it&#39;s worth it
and yeah get your parents to call in for you bigdawg, they usually take adults more seriously anyway

[tesco]

Originally posted by kaiweiler+17 March 2004 - 22:41--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kaiweiler @ 17 March 2004 - 22:41)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004@17 March 2004 - 23:32
<!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@17 March 2004 - 22:27
I duno...i dont game neway...im too lazy to call..only reason i have a nice card is for benchmarks haha...the mmx440 isnt bugging me at all..just all the spyware shit or whatever haha

Im going to call newegg sometime so I can figure out where to return the card...if i rma it or send it back to the oem..

It will be a while cuz im at drivers ed tilll 730 every day
get mom or dad to call in. thats what i would so anyway.

im starting drivers ed in a few weeks :)
Have fun boys, Drivers Ed is hell, I remember the days...
For me, it was 3 9 hour days of pure hell lol
you just sit there and listen to some idiot telling you it&#39;s bad to go off the road, well no shit&#33; I didn&#39;t really learn anything....
but I passed my actual test quite easily, because the driving time they give you (i got 8 hours) was actually good and you learned stuff
so I only lost 7 points on my test, when you have to lose 45 to fail&#33; :o
but yeah, drivers ed really sucks, but you end up saving a lot of money on insurance, so it&#39;s worth it
and yeah get your parents to call in for you bigdawg, they usually take adults more seriously anyway [/b][/quote]
ur in canada right kai?

here (canada) we do a writing test and then we have a g1 license which means we can drive with someone who has had a full license for more than 4 years. we attend driving school while we have the G1 and then go do ou r G2 test after 8 months. amd then we get our final test 8 months after that.

what is ur system like bigdawg?

[kaiweiler]

:o that&#39;s a lot more complicated then our system, and i&#39;m from canada as well&#33; i&#39;m from NS
in NS, you write your beginners test and you take drivers ed, then you wait 3 months and take your full test, then you have your "newly classed" drivers license, where you cans till drive by yourself, but theres rules, like you have to be off the roads by midnight, then you wait 2 years and you don&#39;t have to do a test or course or anything, you just get your actual full licence

[bigdawgfoxx]

Get my parents to call into newegg or drivers ed? lolol

We go for 2 hours a day, sept friday, saturday, and sunday, and then have the have 7 driving hours with the instructor...we watch gay videos and do worksheets...it sucks

[tesco]

Originally posted by kaiweiler@17 March 2004 - 22:48
:o that&#39;s a lot more complicated then our system, and i&#39;m from canada as well&#33; i&#39;m from NS
in NS, you write your beginners test and you take drivers ed, then you wait 3 months and take your full test, then you have your "newly classed" drivers license, where you cans till drive by yourself, but theres rules, like you have to be off the roads by midnight, then you wait 2 years and you don&#39;t have to do a test or course or anything, you just get your actual full licence
lucky, im in ontario.

[tesco]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@17 March 2004 - 23:02
we watch gay videos
:lol: :lol:

edit: ewwwwww...

[kaiweiler]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@18 March 2004 - 00:02
Get my parents to call into newegg or drivers ed? lolol

We go for 2 hours a day, sept friday, saturday, and sunday, and then have the have 7 driving hours with the instructor...we watch gay videos and do worksheets...it sucks
We did watch one pretty sweet movie though, it was just a bunch of car accidents that were supposed to make us scared, on guy got his severed and it was laying in the road
some people had to leave the room, i found it quite funny&#33; :lol:

[bigdawgfoxx]

yeah, we watched people cut in half and hanging outa there car...I think it will make me a safer driver though haha

[kaiweiler]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@18 March 2004 - 00:32
yeah, we watched people cut in half and hanging outa there car...I think it will make me a safer driver though haha
meh i doubt it, half the shit they taech you would make you a terrible driver
like they say you should be looking in your rearview mirror every 5-8 seconds&#33;
If you actually did that it would be taking your concentration away from the road, thus increasing the chances of an accident by a lot
I check my mirrors often, but every 5-8 seconds is overkill by far