View Full Version : Where's Billy Dean?
bowrabob
03-24-2004, 03:28 PM
Didn't he get a one month ban?
Why isn't he back then? :huh:
JONNO_CELEBS
03-24-2004, 03:30 PM
It's not been a month has it? :unsure:
Jonno B)
bowrabob
03-24-2004, 03:40 PM
The 17th February was his last post, so it's been 5 weeks now.
Perhpas it was extended for more than a month? :unsure:
He is here.
Has been all along.
Laughing his ass off.
YoBannot
bowrabob
03-24-2004, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by SensualBarfing@24 March 2004 - 16:08
He is here.
Has been all along.
Laughing his ass off.
l'll bet my house he hasn't posted here since 17th Feb.
Originally posted by bowrabob+24 March 2004 - 18:13--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bowrabob @ 24 March 2004 - 18:13)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-SensualBarfing@24 March 2004 - 16:08
He is here.
Has been all along.
Laughing his ass off.
l'll bet my house he hasn't posted here since 17th Feb. [/b][/quote]
May be.
But his precense.........
YoMole
AussieSheila
03-24-2004, 05:29 PM
:ph34r: Yeah, I thought he was due back too. Don't the bans work automatically? Or does it have to be lifted manually?
:)
Has he been in evidence at R&K's? :huh:
Haven't been much, lately, myself. :P
J'Pol
03-24-2004, 06:23 PM
Do you think he will come back here after being banned and making public a fight which he had with the administrator of the board.
I had assumed that he would have cocked a snook at the board, made an appropriate gesture and walked into the sunset.
Originally posted by J'Pol@24 March 2004 - 12:23
Do you think he will come back here after being banned and making public a fight which he had with the administrator of the board.
I had assumed that he would have cocked a snook at the board, made an appropriate gesture and walked into the sunset.
It's certainly possible... ;)
Ohhhhh give us a link to the fight guys....would love to see what was said!!! :lol:
Originally posted by sara5564@24 March 2004 - 12:29
Ohhhhh give us a link to the fight guys....would love to see what was said!!! :lol:
It began with Billy and I, but from there it had a life of it's own; many incarnations, phases, banishments, etc.
The particulars are indistinct, at best, and do not make very good reading, although I'm sure someone will post a link. :)
internet.news
03-24-2004, 06:38 PM
Originally posted by j2k4+24 March 2004 - 17:33--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 @ 24 March 2004 - 17:33)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-sara5564@24 March 2004 - 12:29
Ohhhhh give us a link to the fight guys....would love to see what was said!!! :lol:
It began with Billy and I, but from there it had a life of it's own; many incarnations, phases, banishments, etc.
The particulars are indistinct, at best, and do not make very good reading, although I'm sure someone will post a link. :)[/b][/quote]
I thought his last "banter" on here was with Benxuk :unsure:
J'Pol
03-24-2004, 07:00 PM
I was talking about the instant message type discussion he had with 7th.
The one where marc tried to explain why he was being banned and BD was trying to explain why the "punishment" was unfair.
Busyman
03-24-2004, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by samsamsamsam+24 March 2004 - 14:38--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (samsamsamsam @ 24 March 2004 - 14:38)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by j2k4@24 March 2004 - 17:33
<!--QuoteBegin-sara5564@24 March 2004 - 12:29
Ohhhhh give us a link to the fight guys....would love to see what was said!!! :lol:
It began with Billy and I, but from there it had a life of it's own; many incarnations, phases, banishments, etc.
The particulars are indistinct, at best, and do not make very good reading, although I'm sure someone will post a link. :)
I thought his last "banter" on here was with Benxuk :unsure: [/b][/quote]
No, no, no I had the last "banter". :lol: :lol:
internet.news
03-24-2004, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by Busyman@24 March 2004 - 18:37
No, no, no I had the last "banter". :lol: :lol:
B*e**a? :o
Neo 721
03-24-2004, 11:01 PM
Billy Dean.. he'll be around
Aaron_T
03-25-2004, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by Neo 721@24 March 2004 - 22:01
Billy Dean.. he'll be around
doubt it :(
AussieSheila
03-25-2004, 01:28 AM
Originally posted by J'Pol@25 March 2004 - 04:23
Do you think he will come back here after being banned and making public a fight which he had with the administrator of the board.
I had assumed that he would have cocked a snook at the board, made an appropriate gesture and walked into the sunset.
:blink: Why not? Most fights on this board are public. If people didn't come back after a fight there'd be no one left. :blink:
Billy Dean doesn't hold onto grudges forever, he's friendly now with a lot of people he's had fights with in the past. Why should he still be banned? It's not like he was banned over a specific incident, it was for being a general pain in the arse. At least he was an interesting pain in the arse. ;)
:unsure:
hobbes
03-25-2004, 02:54 AM
Silent? Andie? Haha! That'll be the day!
l guess the lesson l learned there Sam was to keep my mouth shut, no matter how unfairly l'm treated, and lick the mod's arses. lf that's the rules, they can stick it.
7th is expecting me to come back in another name and be good, so l can say "see you were wrong to ban me". l hope he's holding his breath!
source (http://www.rikk-cowsys.com/index.php?showtopic=754&view=findpost&p=26062)
I don't think he can stay away despite this post.
AussieSheila
03-25-2004, 03:31 AM
Originally posted by hobbes@25 March 2004 - 12:54
Silent? Andie? Haha! That'll be the day!
l guess the lesson l learned there Sam was to keep my mouth shut, no matter how unfairly l'm treated, and lick the mod's arses. lf that's the rules, they can stick it.
7th is expecting me to come back in another name and be good, so l can say "see you were wrong to ban me". l hope he's holding his breath!
source (http://www.rikk-cowsys.com/index.php?showtopic=754&view=findpost&p=26062)
I don't think he can stay away despite this post.
He didn't say he wasn't coming back, he said he wasn't coming back under a different name.
The question hasn't been answered. Is he still banned and if so, why?
:)
chalice
03-25-2004, 03:34 AM
I don't think BD should be banned. Or shouldn't have been in the first instance.
I've lost the link to his private forum.
So PM me Billy, if you're out there.
AussieSheila
03-25-2004, 03:43 AM
;) Here's the link Chalice.
RIKK & COWSY'S (http://www.rikk-cowsys.com/index.php?act=idx)
chalice
03-25-2004, 03:45 AM
Originally posted by AussieSheila@25 March 2004 - 03:43
;) Here's the link Chalice.
RIKK & COWSY'S (http://www.rikk-cowsys.com/index.php?act=idx)
Thanks 2 million, Sheila. :)
J'Pol
03-25-2004, 09:03 AM
Originally posted by AussieSheila+25 March 2004 - 02:28--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AussieSheila @ 25 March 2004 - 02:28)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-J'Pol@25 March 2004 - 04:23
Do you think he will come back here after being banned and making public a fight which he had with the administrator of the board.
I had assumed that he would have cocked a snook at the board, made an appropriate gesture and walked into the sunset.
:blink: Why not? Most fights on this board are public. If people didn't come back after a fight there'd be no one left. :blink:
Billy Dean doesn't hold onto grudges forever, he's friendly now with a lot of people he's had fights with in the past. Why should he still be banned? It's not like he was banned over a specific incident, it was for being a general pain in the arse. At least he was an interesting pain in the arse. ;)
:unsure: [/b][/quote]
It struck me that he was not the type of person to return to a place where he had been chastised in public and treated like a child.
However you know the chap far better than I do and it is entirely possible that I have misread his likely course of action.
In similar circumstances I do not know what course of action I would take. I suspect I would be embarrassed at returning, but one never knows these things until one is in the position.
Incidentally the fight I referred to was not in public on this board. As I understand it, the fight was a private matter between him and Marc on instant messaging or whatever it is referred to. BD chose to publish the text on this board, again I could be totally wrong on this as I don't us the messaging thing.
AussieSheila
03-25-2004, 09:53 AM
:) I don't think he has anything to be embarassed about. He was treated badly and defended himself. Although personally I don't agree with posting private conversations, sometimes a point has to be made.
Speaking for myself, I've embarassed myself often enough to know the best way to handle it is not to run away but to face up to it, get it over with, whatever it is, and move on.
I hope he comes back, I find the board a good bit less interesting without him. As it is when you are away J'Pol. ;)
bowrabob
03-25-2004, 09:58 AM
l don't think Billy has anything to be embarrased about, in fact l think it's the other way round.
He got Marc to admit that he had no control over his mods, and that they were treating him unfairly. The reason he gave for banning Billy was that he couldn't allow his mods to act like that. It's admin and the mods who should be feeling embarrased.
Billy should be reinstated now, but l notice no admin or mods have posted in here. l know one thing for sure, he won't post a single word under another name.
{I}{K}{E}
03-25-2004, 09:59 AM
Originally posted by bowrabob@24 March 2004 - 15:28
Didn't he get a one month ban?
Why isn't he back then? :huh:
he was a BANNED .. not a Monthly BAN ;)
Originally posted by {I}{K}{E}+25 March 2004 - 11:59--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ({I}{K}{E} @ 25 March 2004 - 11:59)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bowrabob@24 March 2004 - 15:28
Didn't he get a one month ban?
Why isn't he back then? :huh:
he was a BANNED .. not a Monthly BAN ;) [/b][/quote]
7th(marc) suggested it was a temp ban for 1 month, to cool down, IKE.........
Yogi
jetje
03-25-2004, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by SensualBarfing+25 March 2004 - 12:06--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SensualBarfing @ 25 March 2004 - 12:06)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by {I}{K}{E}@25 March 2004 - 11:59
<!--QuoteBegin-bowrabob@24 March 2004 - 15:28
Didn't he get a one month ban?
Why isn't he back then? :huh:
he was a BANNED .. not a Monthly BAN ;)
7th(marc) suggested it was a temp ban for 1 month, to cool down, IKE.........
Yogi [/b][/quote]
yes he suggested that in a one on one talk to Billy, who kinda declined that offer. ;)
Too bad it all went this way, but decission is made. Why not all give it a rest :ph34r:
Originally posted by jetje+25 March 2004 - 12:39--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jetje @ 25 March 2004 - 12:39)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by SensualBarfing@25 March 2004 - 12:06
Originally posted by {I}{K}{E}@25 March 2004 - 11:59
<!--QuoteBegin-bowrabob@24 March 2004 - 15:28
Didn't he get a one month ban?
Why isn't he back then? :huh:
he was a BANNED .. not a Monthly BAN ;)
7th(marc) suggested it was a temp ban for 1 month, to cool down, IKE.........
Yogi
yes he suggested that in a one on one talk to Billy, who kinda declined that offer. ;)
Too bad it all went this way, but decission is made. Why not all give it a rest :ph34r: [/b][/quote]
Okay, so now we know it is definitive ban........
But he will live on in our hearts!!!
Especially ScribbleC her heart!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
BD, Live long and prosper.........
YoPukey
AussieSheila
03-25-2004, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by jetje+25 March 2004 - 20:39--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jetje @ 25 March 2004 - 20:39)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by SensualBarfing@25 March 2004 - 12:06
Originally posted by {I}{K}{E}@25 March 2004 - 11:59
<!--QuoteBegin-bowrabob@24 March 2004 - 15:28
Didn't he get a one month ban?
Why isn't he back then? :huh:
he was a BANNED .. not a Monthly BAN ;)
7th(marc) suggested it was a temp ban for 1 month, to cool down, IKE.........
Yogi
yes he suggested that in a one on one talk to Billy, who kinda declined that offer. ;)
Too bad it all went this way, but decission is made. Why not all give it a rest :ph34r:[/b][/quote]
:unsure: I'm having trouble finding the part where Billy Dean "kinda declined" the one month ban. Perhaps somebody could point it out for me? :)
Billy Dean's Last Thread. (http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=100647&st=0)
bowrabob
03-25-2004, 11:33 AM
l've just spoken to Billy on another forum and he tells me as far as he is concerned he was banned for one month, and declined nothing.
l've just read his last post, where does he decline?
Marc should honour his word, especially in light of his initial remarks to Billy in that thread.
This is starting to smell like a precooked (aussie-) meal.............. ;)
YoPukey
AussieSheila
03-25-2004, 11:49 AM
;) Well, it might smell like it Yogi, but I haven't 'talked' to Billy Dean in weeks. We don't anymore. But I'm not going to sit quietly and see him discredited. I would act the same about any of my 'net friends if I thought they were being badly treated.
:)
Originally posted by AussieSheila@25 March 2004 - 13:49
;) Well, it might smell like it Yogi, but I haven't 'talked' to Billy Dean in weeks. We don't anymore. But I'm not going to sit quietly and see him discredited. I would act the same about any of my 'net friends if I thought they were being badly treated.
:)
Funny you feel spoken to....... ;)
It's just that Bob hardly ever posts here and his first post in ages is concerning
Rikk......... :blink:
It's just that it's remarkebly in Rikk's style, as described by marc(7th) in their
"private" session on MSN.
You know i'd like to see Rikk back asap.............
Though i think it would be best to make him a MOD straightaway................
Yogi
Didn't Bowrabob lend BD his account when he was first banned? :unsure:
AussieSheila
03-25-2004, 12:09 PM
:blink: Why would it be funny I feel 'spoken' to Yogi? My association with Billy Dean is well known. I once got threatened with banning because I said he was a friend.
I just want it made clear that I have 'cooked' up nothing with anybody. In fact I didn't know how pissed off he would be at me commenting at all, but I feel quite strongly that this place is less interesting without him. I don't wait to be told what to say Yogi, you should know that's how I get myself in trouble.
Bob is a real life friend of Billy Dean, it's hardly surprising he commented either. Bob may not post here all that often, but he does read here. I don't post here all that often either, but I read it every day. There isn't much in the lounge that I miss.
:)
Ooohh...conspiracy theories abound! Do you all think Aussies are that devious?
On the other hand, don't answer that. :rolleyes:
I don't wait to be told what to say Yogi,
Did i say something of the sort......???????
Bob is a real life friend of Billy Dean, it's hardly surprising he commented either
He started the thread.............
Yogi
Originally posted by Ella@25 March 2004 - 14:14
Ooohh...conspiracy theories abound! Do you all think Aussies are that devious?
On the other hand, don't answer that. :rolleyes:
I won't.
And, no, not a conspiracy; too far fetched for my likings.
But you must see what i mean...........or am i the one-eye......... :blink:
Yogi
AussieSheila
03-25-2004, 12:26 PM
:) Actually it was Samx4 that brought it up a few days ago, I don't remember on which forum. I've been thinking about it since then, so naturally when I saw Bob's thread I jumped in.
No conspiracies. Just a simple question. Why is Billy Dean still banned?
:rolleyes:
I've just been over to R&C's and found this post from Billy Dean, posted 3 1/2 hours ago.
Billy Dean (http://www.rikk-cowsys.com/index.php?showtopic=891&st=0&#entry27771)
james_bond_rulez
03-25-2004, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by bowrabob@24 March 2004 - 06:40
The 17th February was his last post, so it's been 5 weeks now.
he may be closer than you think....
anyway why do u care if he's not around?
maybe you are him.... <_<
Oh, grow up! Bob's just making an observation....and a valid one, I would think. :smilie4:
cowswithguns
03-25-2004, 01:44 PM
I hear you say "ooh another Australian!" :lol:
My only comment on this is that if a deal was made with 7th about the length of Billy's banning, I think that it should be adhered to. :)
I was always under the impression that it was for one month only.
jetje
03-25-2004, 01:47 PM
go read that last billy dean post again... don't read far, just the topic title...
that's declining enough i would say, seeing he was the one posted that...
Originally posted by Billy Dean
The End Of The Road., Billy Dean finally kicked out.
So this looks like my last post.
l'd like to thank all my friends here for many months of enjoyment.
I(n there he's not mentioning a term of a month or anything.
well it could be my glasses ;)
On a final note from me, do believe what you want, it's no conspiracy from us against aussies. However i find it a bit strange, seeing Bowrabob being absent since
19 februari and coming back and starting to post about this non-issue. No offense intended but i can understand people believe this post is made to stir up old news/problems again. As i said before and seen the post BD made elsewhere let it ggo. He's happy were he i and we are here....
there are so many people i miss in here, guess if we all start posting about that. where is El jefe, Bender, Share Daddy, UKPete and another thousand more... this isn't real life get over it.
AussieSheila
03-25-2004, 02:04 PM
;) Jetje, I could be wrong, but didn't the msn conversation come after the topic was posted? To start with 7th was saying it was a total ban. So it's hardly surprising that Billy Dean was saying it was his last post.
It was during that conversation that 7th changed it from a total banning to one months cooling off. That's the way I read it anyway.
:)
edit Yes, Jetje, this is real life. I'm sorry, but you are dealing with real people here.
cowswithguns
03-25-2004, 02:22 PM
No disrespect intended jetje but I think I'd prefer to hear 7th's thoughts on this. The discussions were between 7th and BD after all, I can't recall you being part of the msn conversation.
jetje
03-25-2004, 02:34 PM
Aussiesheila, forgive me i can't give an exact recalling of those days.
All i know there were problems and somehow they couldn't be solved, the result was a ban for Billy. Fair or unfair, i guess no one will be right. Things happened as they happened. It was not one person that decided but there was a voting by all team members, the fairest way we can do it on this forum. The result was to ban Billy.
Ban is something else as moderation, if there is a need to have someone on a temporary base gone, there is the moderation option. As i believe ban is what it said... ban (as in forever).
The people that think that the mods and admins are unworthy to take decissions around here, are on the wrong forum. We really do everything in the interrest of this community. Sometimes good and some things bad, but sometimes we need to make decissions, and i'm sure we do it in the fairest way possible. Whatever the outcome... and believe me it's more difficult to act sometimes as it is to debate the actions taken ;)
I wish Billy Dean all the best at his forum, and speak out the hope we all can move on and let this behind us.
:)
jetje
03-25-2004, 02:36 PM
Originally posted by cowswithguns@25 March 2004 - 16:22
No disrespect intended jetje but I think I'd prefer to hear 7th's thoughts on this. The discussions were between 7th and BD after all, I can't recall you being part of the msn conversation.
If that was the case i better close this topic. The poster should have sent a pm to 7th! and not post public on the forum.
:)
bowrabob
03-25-2004, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by jetje@25 March 2004 - 13:47
... i find it a bit strange, seeing Bowrabob being absent since
19 februari and coming back and starting to post about this non-issue. No offense intended but i can understand people believe this post is made to stir up old news/problems again.
Is it my turn now? lt's not much fun being Australian on this board at times, that's one of the reasons l don't post in here much any more. Billy is a mate of mine and l started this thread because l saw he was still banned, or is he expected to come in and ask why? As Sheila said it's got nothing to do with you anyway why can't Marc give his side of it he was the one who made the deal. The thread you quoted was written after he he was told in a pm from Marc that he was being banned, the deal was done after that, quite clearly. To say forget it now, when it's not you that is being banned is the sort of thing Billy used to complain about with you. Most posters here feel a promise was made that should be kept, and if you were being fair you would accept that.
Rappy
03-25-2004, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by bowrabob@24 March 2004 - 15:28
Didn't he get a one month ban?
Why isn't he back then? :huh:
He left because you came here :lol:
AussieSheila
03-25-2004, 02:49 PM
:) Okay Jetje, fair enough. I guess we'll move on and leave you to the spammers and the tarts, which it seems is acceptable. :smilie4:
I'm a little disappointed but there you go, that is real life isn't it? Full of little disappointments.
;)
jetje
03-25-2004, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by bowrabob+25 March 2004 - 16:46--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bowrabob @ 25 March 2004 - 16:46)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jetje@25 March 2004 - 13:47
... i find it a bit strange, seeing Bowrabob being absent since
19 februari and coming back and starting to post about this non-issue. No offense intended but i can understand people believe this post is made to stir up old news/problems again.
Is it my turn now? lt's not much fun being Australian on this board at times, that's one of the reasons l don't post in here much any more. Billy is a mate of mine and l started this thread because l saw he was still banned, or is he expected to come in and ask why? As Sheila said it's got nothing to do with you anyway why can't Marc give his side of it he was the one who made the deal. The thread you quoted was written after he he was told in a pm from Marc that he was being banned, the deal was done after that, quite clearly. To say forget it now, when it's not you that is being banned is the sort of thing Billy used to complain about with you. Most posters here feel a promise was made that should be kept, and if you were being fair you would accept that. [/b][/quote]
Is it your turn now? never said that! You "aussies" should do something about your self esteem. we don't make you a group, you people seem to do (think) that to yourself ;) think about that. (before any "Aussie feels this is an attack on him/her.. this is a reply to bowrabob's posting).
btw in a post of you in februari you posted things Billy liked to say, but couldn't cause he was banned. And as you being his friend why not asked him directly and why not sent 7th a pm instead of a general post. ;)
My replies here are as a mod and as a part of the team that stands for the decission that was made.
To say forget it now, when it's not you that is being banned is the sort of thing Billy used to complain about with you.
It ain't you either that is banned is it ....???
:)
AussieSheila
03-25-2004, 03:57 PM
;) There's not a damn thing wrong with our self esteem and we are a group.
Nite!
:)
hobbes
03-25-2004, 04:58 PM
I am disappointed in our moderating team. The discussion with 7th on MSN boiled down to a 1 month ban. Do not dishonor this statement.
Jetje uses the title of the thread (My final post) to state that BillyDean declined, which is specious at best, and a lie to be quite frank.
The bottom line is that the mods do not feel that they can control Billy. I understand, as Billy can be a total shit at times, and does need to learn not to get nasty when someone attacks him.
At one point he wished "many more 9/11's" on me. I will never forget this comment, it will be like a scar on his face forever in my eyes. It was totally inappropriate and is something Billy has been known to do when someone comes at him or disagrees with him.. He refuses to take the high road and pulls out his fangs and bites back harder. He cannot stand the thought of being bested or appearing weak, particularly when he is dealing with "kids".
It is this tendancy that has lead to his repeated problems here at the board, in particular, the manner in which he interacts with the Mods. He can be right on the money with his points, but still angers the Mods with his manner. He will lose and will then feel that he was treated unfairly.
My comments about Billy, have been harsh but honest. Even so, he brings an alternate point of view to the board as well as an intelligent mind. He is actually quite the normal guy on his forum and if he acted that way here, he would be no problem.
I think Billy should be re-instated and you guys "should get over it" and not the other way around.
Originally posted by hobbes@25 March 2004 - 18:58
I am disappointed in our moderating team. The discussion with 7th on MSN boiled down to a 1 month ban. Do not dishonor this statement.
Jetje uses the title of the thread (My final post) to state that BillyDean declined, which is specious at best, and a lie to be quite frank.
The bottom line is that the mods do not feel that they can control Billy. I understand, as Billy can be a total shit at times, and does need to learn not to get nasty when someone attacks him.
At one point he wished "many more 9/11's" on me. I will never forget this comment, it will be like a scar on his face forever in my eyes. It was totally inappropriate and is something Billy has been known to do when someone comes at him or disagrees with him.. He refuses to take the high road and pulls out his fangs and bites back harder. He cannot stand the thought of being bested or appearing weak, particularly when he is dealing with "kids".
It is this tendancy that has lead to his repeated problems here at the board, in particular, the manner in which he interacts with the Mods. He can be right on the money with his points, but still angers the Mods with his manner. He will lose and will then feel that he was treated unfairly.
My comments about Billy, have been harsh but honest. Even so, he brings an alternate point of view to the board as well as an intelligent mind. He is actually quite the normal guy on his forum and if he acted that way here, he would be no problem.
I think Billy should be re-instated and you guys "should get over it" and not the other way around.
Chapeau. :)
Yogi
jetje
03-25-2004, 05:50 PM
@ Hobbes, where is the lie when he posted, see the qoute, "this looks like my last post" and "The End Of The Road., Billy Dean finally kicked out.".
If he knew it was a temporary ban. ;) There was a lot more going on then as just the posts on the board and the msn chat, there was a lot of pming too. Why should we mods allow him back in and not the other banned members. It was not just one thing. Believe me or not when i say people don't get banned without a reason and on 1 offense (except kiddy porn and heavy racism posts).
There has been a big debate within the team chat, and the decission was made by voting. Sorry if we dissapoint you, we do whatever we think is the best for the whole board. It has nothing to do with "get over it" as far as the mods concern. Just as an example i will add, me personnal, i was willing to give Billy a blank sheet and start fresh even after he had posted pretty nasty stuff in an attack on me. This option i posted in teamchat, was a result of a big pming i had with Billy Dean, which started pretty rough but ended in a decent and good debate. But as we act as a team no one can decide on it's own. No admin and no mod, we think it's only fair if every "big decission" about members and the board is taken by the whole team. The team (which i'm part of) decided enough was enough. It was not a thin ice decission... But a result of pro's and cons, as democratic as we can do in this forum.
As you say your comments can be harsh but honest, i really can look into the mirror and know the same goes for myself. There is no single reason for me (and the other mods) to do anything that's not in the interrest of the entire board. There are rules applying for all and the only thing we try to do is to enforce those if necessary, in a way that's fair and do justice to all, no exceptions made. If you fail those rules too many times and will not accept that mods just try to do their jobs you have a problem, and only you are responsible mods need to act (that's not the way we want it, but we will do it if there's no escaping).
:)
Originally posted by jetje@25 March 2004 - 19:50
@ Hobbes, where is the lie when he posted, see the qoute, "this looks like my last post" and "The End Of The Road., Billy Dean finally kicked out.".
If he knew it was a temporary ban. ;) There was a lot more going on then as just the posts on the board and the msn chat, there was a lot of pming too. Why should we mods allow him back in and not the other banned members. It was not just one thing. Believe me or not when i say people don't get banned without a reason and on 1 offense (except kiddy porn and heavy racism posts).
There has been a big debate within the team chat, and the decission was made by voting. Sorry if we dissapoint you, we do whatever we think is the best for the whole board. It has nothing to do with "get over it" as far as the mods concern. Just as an example i will add, me personnal, i was willing to give Billy a blank sheet and start fresh even after he had posted pretty nasty stuff in an attack on me. This option i posted in teamchat, was a result of a big pming i had with Billy Dean, which started pretty rough but ended in a decent and good debate. But as we act as a team no one can decide on it's own. No admin and no mod, we think it's only fair if every "big decission" about members and the board is taken by the whole team. The team (which i'm part of) decided enough was enough. It was not a thin ice decission... But a result of pro's and cons, as democratic as we can do in this forum.
As you say your comments can be harsh but honest, i really can look into the mirror and know the same goes for myself. There is no single reason for me (and the other mods) to do anything that's not in the interrest of the entire board. There are rules applying for all and the only thing we try to do is to enforce those if necessary, in a way that's fair and do justice to all, no exceptions made. If you fail those rules too many times and will not accept that mods just try to do their jobs you have a problem, and only you are responsible mods need to act (that's not the way we want it, but we will do it if there's no escaping).
:)
Chapeau to you too!! :)
You put a lot of effort in trying to explain the situation. ;)
Thanks.
Yogi
hobbes
03-25-2004, 06:14 PM
Jetje,
Permanent banning is for people who are intent on spamming the board (to promote another site) or whose primary objective is to anger members, promote kiddie porn, or attack the board itself (hacking).
Billy on the otherhand, did not come here to do any of those things and his trouble boils down to a non-constructive manner of conveying his thoughts when irritated. I have personally been very close to blowing my top from time to time and often the PM's Mods receive are far different from the original text ( ;) ).
The result has been a rather spectacular relationship with most mods, who when treated politely, often start going out of their way to be helpful.
I have just learned to adapt to my own temperment and cool down a bit. I try to remember that overall I am here to have fun, but when people censor me or interfer with my fun by intrusive moderating, I object to the principle (not the actaul loss of a post) and get quite angry.
I think with Billy, he got off to a rough start with some Mods and it spiraled over time, to a point where he was hounded and harassed.
Before I derail myself in a coffee induced ramble, I want to state clearly that Billy is different from other BANNED members in that he does not visit to bring harm to the board, he wants to have fun just like the rest of us.
As it has turned out, his temper and the tempers of the mods reached a point where a time out was needed.
I think it is time to see who the "MEN" are around here? Who can erase past grudges and move forward.
I don't think Billy wants to return here a muted version of his former self nor to kiss up to any Mod, and he shouldn't, but perhaps he will change the manner of his posting to help keep this board fun and exciting.
Since I consider myself a part of this board and I am for having him back, as are the others on this thread, perhaps a poll is needed to see who really doesn't want him back. If the board members don't want him here, then the ban is a good idea. If the do want him here, how can you be looking out for the best interest of the board by banning him?
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