My Friends Cpu

[bigdawgfoxx]

I might be building a new computer for my friend...they have UP TO $2,200 to spend on it. Hellll yeah haha

I was wondering if it was worth getting the Athlon 64 FX-51, or 53 if its out...over the Athlon 64 3400? Its alot more exspensive.

Also what Is a good 64bit Mobo? How long do you think I should wait for a good chipset?

Should I even go 64bit at this stage or just keep it really cheap for him and his family?

How long should I wait, like when will BTX, new graphics cards, and PCI Express be out? And should I wait for all of that for just a family computer?

[tesco]

I think you should go the 64bit route and dont wait for all of the new stuff like btx and pcix to come out because that will be in a long time and probably really expensive. plus i doubt they will need to upgrade this computer if it is a family computer, they can just buy all new parts in like 3 years...

get a motherboard with the nforce 3 chipset. gigabyte, abit or asus are good companies so narrow it down with those.

to save them money though, u dont have to buy overclocking ram with great timings, but atleast get 1gb as i heard the 64bit windows xp needs 1gb, but that may be wrong. and also u dont need to buy them a 9800xt which u were probably planning on doing, i would just get them a 9200, maybe 9500 or 9600 at most.

[bigdawgfoxx]

You think im stupid? 9800XT? hell no haha i was thinking 9600Pro cuz he said he plays some games. There cheap so it dont matter really. I will go ahead and try to price one for them..and I guess i wont wait for the new stuff

Yall think the Athlon 64 3400 with 1MB cache is worth the $415? The cache should be good..you think he would really like that? Or go with a cheaper one? like the 3000

Good mobo? Gigabyte (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-128-200&depa=0)

What is this Ive heard that you cannot install a O/S with a sata drive or something?

[bigdawgfoxx]

2 of (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-145-026&depa=0) these Corsair Value Select 512Mb PC3200 at 2.5CAS. Sounds pretty good too

Powercolor (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-131-232&depa=0) Radeon 9600XT with overdrive...very PRETTY card too.

Seagate (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-148-025&depa=0) 160GB HDD

[tesco]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@25 March 2004 - 22:10
2 of (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-145-026&depa=0) these Corsair Value Select 512Mb PC3200 at 2.5CAS.  Sounds pretty good too
is that ram 'registered'? madcat said it has to be registered ram for a 64bit computer.

it says:


Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered

Is the slash (\) there too seperate unbuffered and registered because they are opposite or is it there to show that they mean the same thing?

[bigdawgfoxx]

I believe just the Athlon FX series has to have registered DDR

What is a good DVD burner?

[bigdawgfoxx]

Need a good...400watt psu too

[tesco]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@25 March 2004 - 22:25
Need a good...400watt psu too
PSU's by ultra are good and not too expensive either. enermax is great i love mine, but they are a lot more than the ultras.

[bigdawgfoxx]

I already looked for ultras..none on newegg lol

Need a good 17...maybe 15in LCD screen..doesnt have to be a gaming one tho

[Spicker]

how much money u getting off it? :rolleyes:

[tesco]

on this page (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?catalog=58&DEPA=1&submit=property&mfrcode=0&propertycode=&propertycodevalue=3803) around 1/3 the way down there are some coolmax power supplies...look a lot like ultras <_< wierd...

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by jaigandhi5@25 March 2004 - 21:30
how much money u getting off it? :rolleyes:
maybe 30 or so...hes my good friend and i aint gona charge them much at all if any

[tesco]

get a samsung lcd monitor.

[Spicker]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx+26 March 2004 - 04:34--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigdawgfoxx &#064; 26 March 2004 - 04:34)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jaigandhi5@25 March 2004 - 21:30
how much money u getting off it? :rolleyes:
maybe 30 or so...hes my good friend and i aint gona charge them much at all if any [/b][/quote]
ohhh come on atleast get 50 <_<

enuf to get u some neon or cold cathodes for ur pc :rolleyes: ;)

[james_bond_rulez]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx+25 March 2004 - 18:34--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigdawgfoxx @ 25 March 2004 - 18:34)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jaigandhi5@25 March 2004 - 21:30
how much money u getting off it? :rolleyes:
maybe 30 or so...hes my good friend and i aint gona charge them much at all if any [/b][/quote]
i dont charge friends at all

some friend you are... :lol:

[Spicker]

yea dont charge ur friend and the guyz parents will pay u more... ;)
jus make the case look nice :lol:

[tesco]

i probably wouldnt charge anything either, i enjoy building computers and stuff, i especially like troubleshooting them :)

here is a page full of good LCD monitors: right..........here&#33; lol (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=20&manufactory=1077&DEPA=1&sortby=14&order=1)

make sure u make this PC better than the other guys pc, the one who wouldnt let u build it, then u can rub that in his face and hell be pissed and it will make u feel good. :D

[Spicker]

get this one...

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-001-150&depa=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=24-001-150&depa=1)

good price and i noe someone who has it... ;)

[peat moss]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx+25 March 2004 - 19:34--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigdawgfoxx &#064; 25 March 2004 - 19:34)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jaigandhi5@25 March 2004 - 21:30
how much money u getting off it? :rolleyes:
maybe 30 or so...hes my good friend and i aint gona charge them much at all if any [/b][/quote]
Good for you its fun any way wow &#036;2200. I wouldn&#39;t wait buy the best you can now they&#39;ll be happier than a pig in shit :lol:

You can always charge them for the upgrades &#33; :)

[tesco]

Originally posted by peat moss+25 March 2004 - 23:36--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (peat moss @ 25 March 2004 - 23:36)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@25 March 2004 - 19:34
<!--QuoteBegin-jaigandhi5@25 March 2004 - 21:30
how much money u getting off it? :rolleyes:
maybe 30 or so...hes my good friend and i aint gona charge them much at all if any
Good for you its fun any way wow &#036;2200. I wouldn&#39;t wait buy the best you can now they&#39;ll be happier than a pig in shit :lol:

You can always charge them for the upgrades &#33; :) [/b][/quote]
lol u know what i just found? highlight the laugh smiley ( :lol: ) and then look at the face, looks funny lol.

[Keikan]

ya I know it&#39;s like an old man smile

[adamp2p]

It is pretty hard deciding what to get with other people&#39;s money, isn&#39;t it?

I think a good place to look for this information would be:

Anandtech&#39;s weekly buyer&#39;s guides (http://www.anandtech.com/guides/index.html)

[FlyingDutchman]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@26 March 2004 - 02:37
I might be building a new computer for my friend...they have UP TO &#036;2,200 to spend on it. Hellll yeah haha
...........
Should I even go 64bit at this stage or just keep it really cheap for him and his family?
..........
How long should I wait, like when will BTX, new graphics cards, and PCI Express be out? And should I wait for all of that for just a family computer?
When going the AMD64bit route, get a board that supports the &#39;Cool & quiet&#39; feature.

And find out where they will use the PC.
When they want to use it in the livingroom, they will be happier with a silent rig than with a noisy fast rig.

Just a thought................

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by FlyingDutchman+26 March 2004 - 04:36--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FlyingDutchman &#064; 26 March 2004 - 04:36)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@26 March 2004 - 02:37
I might be building a new computer for my friend...they have UP TO &#036;2,200 to spend on it. Hellll yeah haha
...........
Should I even go 64bit at this stage or just keep it really cheap for him and his family?
..........
How long should I wait, like when will BTX, new graphics cards, and PCI Express be out? And should I wait for all of that for just a family computer?
When going the AMD64bit route, get a board that supports the &#39;Cool & quiet&#39; feature.

And find out where they will use the PC.
When they want to use it in the livingroom, they will be happier with a silent rig than with a noisy fast rig.

Just a thought................ [/b][/quote]
Good thinking...maybe just 1 or 2 case fans....

On the cutting edge guide on ANandtech, it recomends a ViaKT800 board instead of a nForce 3....is that ok you think?

[FlyingDutchman]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@26 March 2004 - 13:03

On the cutting edge guide on ANandtech, it recomends a ViaKT800 board instead of a nForce 3....is that ok you think?

I am slowly building an AMD64 system myself, so I&#39;ve done some reading on the subject.

The AMD64 comes in a few flavors:
*- Socket 754 (cheaper CPUs, cheaper memory, available now, no double bandwidth)
*- Socket 939 (probably more expensive CPUs, cheaper memory, not yet available, double bandwidth)
*- Socket 940 (more expensive CPUs, expensive ECC-memory, available now, double bandwidth)
Unless something unexpected happens soon I&#39;m going for the socket 754 as it is the most mature socket of the 3, and cheapest.
Upgrading to a different board and CPU doesn&#39;t hurt as much as board+CPU can be had for &#036;450

VIA seems to have a good chipset again with K8T800. Quite a few revieuwers (if not most) prefer boards with that chipset.
I&#39;m inclined to buy the MSI K8T Neo FIS2R (http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=496) based on the good reviews, although ASUS gets good reviews too.

When the PC ends up in the livingroom, then make sure you have a look at the Black Knight Case (http://www.ahanix.com/knight.html), and make sure you see the detail pictures too. I think it is a stylish case, and pretty cheap ( &#036;62 at NewEgg )
The case comes without PSU but that can be easily cured with this outstanding Nexus 350 Watts PSU (http://www.siliconacoustics.com/nexusnx3500silentpowersupply.html) :lol:

Edit:

The Athlon 64 Motherboard Shootout (http://www.neoseeker.com/resourcelink.html?rlid=71171) , a recent roundup of socket 754 boards (jan 04).

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx+26 March 2004 - 05:03--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigdawgfoxx @ 26 March 2004 - 05:03)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by FlyingDutchman@26 March 2004 - 04:36
<!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@26 March 2004 - 02:37
I might be building a new computer for my friend...they have UP TO &#036;2,200 to spend on it. Hellll yeah haha
...........
Should I even go 64bit at this stage or just keep it really cheap for him and his family?
..........
How long should I wait, like when will BTX, new graphics cards, and PCI Express be out? And should I wait for all of that for just a family computer?
When going the AMD64bit route, get a board that supports the &#39;Cool & quiet&#39; feature.

And find out where they will use the PC.
When they want to use it in the livingroom, they will be happier with a silent rig than with a noisy fast rig.

Just a thought................
Good thinking...maybe just 1 or 2 case fans....

On the cutting edge guide on ANandtech, it recomends a ViaKT800 board instead of a nForce 3....is that ok you think? [/b][/quote]
Yes, I have read several testimonies that VIA is the way to go with Athlon 64 so far. Read around a bit.

[Mad Cat]

I went for an SK8N (nForce 3) over VIA because I heard of some AGP lock problems with the Asus&#39; VIA alternative, the SK8V. Only a couple of FPS in games whatever happens.