Cpu Overheating

[Buffalo]

I have been having trouble with my 7-month-old PC :angry:

TH-654 Athlon/p4

Fan & Heatsink - AMD SocketA Graphics/Audio/ internal IDE Cable 40w/40w IDC 2 Drive.

Athlon xp2200+ 1.80 Ghz Socket A CPU OEM 512Mb 184pin DDR PC2100 Dimm Non-Party.

Two days ago it switched itself off twice and it's started to do it again today,
At the time the only programmes open were AOL 8 & photoshop 7.

Today I installed the MSI Mother board software that came with the PC,
This will give me The Running Voltage & Temperatures.

The Temp of the main board is excellent way below the standard, But CPU was so high, the MSI software shut it down, the temp was 87C

I have now opened up the PC and put a cold fan near the CPU Fan, So to cool it down a bit, But still running 70C

The fan speed is normal; there is no blockage on the fan or heatsink at all.

My gess is that this has been like this for some time, probably from the factory, and my guess would be that there is no thermal paste in between the CPU & the heat sink,
Can someone tell me if I am correct or would it be something else?
Thank you in advance

[lynx]

Go into bios setup and check the temps in there. If they are the same you've got a serious overheating problem.

Put your finger on the heatsink. Careful, if it really is that hot you might burn yourself.

If the heatsink isn't too hot you could be right about the thermal compound. If everything else looks ok (no fluff between the vanes of the heatsink, fan clean) then the only way to find out is to remove the heatsink.

Of course, you will then need some thermal compound anyway. :rolleyes:

[Mr. Elmo]

does the fan on ur hsf work? have u check to see if u need to reapply osme thermal compound?

[RGX]

Thermal compund makes a difference to the temps but not this drastic. I would be more inclined to say that the heatsink may have slipped and is not making proper contact with the chip. Have you tried re-installing it? Thermal compound would only cause this sort of problem if it was incredibly thick.

[Buffalo]

thank you for your help on this one :D I am now using my Laptop untill PC Sorted.

The fan is ok & clean Running @ 3800

Heatsink is also clean from dust etc.

Test run, PC was 75C on running, Shut down & felt the Heatsink and it's cool,
So abviously there is no Thermal compund been aplied from new.

Very :angry: Due to it should have tested before i was sent to me, I was told that it had a 48Hr Test before ship.

It's still under warenty so i am not going to pull it about, I think i will demand a new Processor as mine now will have a short life.
It's seven months old and it's been running hot all this time,
Wish i had of installed the Motherboard temp software when i first got the PC,
then i would have known about this problem before now.

Thank you for your help :D

[RGX]

This still should not have happened IMO. My 2200 is running now with no thermal compound on the stock HSF at 41.

[clocker]

Wait a minute.

If the PC has been running at this extreme temp for 7 months, how come it only now decided to start shutting itself down?

Have you looked at what BIOS has to say yet?

[Buffalo]

hi ya clocker, I just had a look in the BIOS and it's the same reading.

checked running processes all ok.

thanks

Baz

[tesco]

Originally posted by RGX@3 April 2004 - 17:14
This still should not have happened IMO. My 2200 is running now with no thermal compound on the stock HSF at 41.
:o ur kidding. i thought that with no thermal compound ur chip would fry.

actually i know it would fry because i fried a 2000+ that way :blink:

[AcID ZeR0]

Originally posted by RGX@3 April 2004 - 22:14
This still should not have happened IMO. My 2200 is running now with no thermal compound on the stock HSF at 41.
Surely you've at least got a thermal pad right?

[RGX]

Originally posted by AcID ZeR0+3 April 2004 - 23:52--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AcID ZeR0 @ 3 April 2004 - 23:52)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-RGX@3 April 2004 - 22:14
This still should not have happened IMO. My 2200 is running now with no thermal compound on the stock HSF at 41.
Surely you&#39;ve at least got a thermal pad right? [/b][/quote]
I hate to break it to you guys but you do not need thermal compund for your chip. Sure, its going to help temps A LOT, but it is not fatal.

I have the remenants of the thermal pad, id say about 45% left on the heatsink when i applied it.

[james_bond_rulez]

it&#39;s very unlikely you will get a new cpu now since you&#39;ve opened up the pc, you&#39;ve invalidated the warrenty.

your best chance now is to take the heatsink off and apply some artic silver and attach it back and watch what happens

[tesco]

Originally posted by james_bond_rulez@3 April 2004 - 20:55
it&#39;s very unlikely you will get a new cpu now since you&#39;ve opened up the pc, you&#39;ve invalidated the warrenty.

your best chance now is to take the heatsink off and apply some artic silver and attach it back and watch what happens
agreed, you should buy some arctic silver 5 next time your out and then take off your heatsync and apply it using the guide found somewhere on this website... (http://www.arcticsilver.com)

oh and at your comment about the chip not lasting as long, well chances are that it will probably be replaced with a newer, faster, probably 64bit chip long before it has come close to the end of its lifetime...thats my opinion anyway...

[VenomSniper]

Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004@4 April 2004 - 04:19
you should buy some arctic silver 5
the best thermal out there, remember to much is as bad as none at all.

[clocker]

Originally posted by CELEBS_ARE_US@3 April 2004 - 15:17
hi ya clocker, I just had a look in the BIOS and it&#39;s the same reading.

checked running processes all ok.

thanks

Baz
Ok.

Why now and not 3 months ago?

[Buffalo]

Why now and not 3 months ago

The PC is 7 months old, I should not have to worry about core temps etc.
The reason it&#39;s gone wrong is because "A" It&#39;s either a pice of crap or "B" the idot who put it together used cheap thermal paste that would of popped out after a few months.
After looking at how easy it is to build a PC i wish that i had built my own, It&#39;s a case of live & Learn.
Lets remember that the Bios on this MSI Board will shut down your pc when the CPU reaches it&#39;s Max temp, This has happend three times, The core temp was 87C.
Before I had no knowledge of CPU&#39;s Etc, So i think i have done well in finding out with all your help, "Thank you".

Perhaps clocker there is a lesson to be lurnt, Check the CPU temp every now and Then in the bios, Thank you for the advice :)

[justin_9733]

Originally posted by CELEBS_ARE_US@3 April 2004 - 11:25

At the time the only programmes open were AOL 8 & photoshop 7.

don&#39;t use aol, that should fix the problem

[clocker]

Justin....
Despite all it&#39;s glaring faults I don&#39;t see how you can blame AOL for a hot CPU.

[lynx]

Originally posted by clocker@6 April 2004 - 12:22
Justin....
Despite all it&#39;s glaring faults I don&#39;t see how you can blame AOL for a hot CPU.
It may not be right, but I see absolutely no reason why we can&#39;t blame them. ;)

@Baz, have you checked the thermal compound yet, fer gawd&#39;s sake.

[tesco]

Originally posted by lynx+6 April 2004 - 14:02--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lynx @ 6 April 2004 - 14:02)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-clocker@6 April 2004 - 12:22
Justin....
Despite all it&#39;s glaring faults I don&#39;t see how you can blame AOL for a hot CPU.
It may not be right, but I see absolutely no reason why we can&#39;t blame them. ;)

@Baz, have you checked the thermal compound yet, fer gawd&#39;s sake. [/b][/quote]
he says he doesnt want to check it because he still has teh warranty and he thinks the chip wont last very long anymore so he wants a new one. but i cant blame him, its their fault and they should give him a new one.

[justin_9733]

Originally posted by clocker@6 April 2004 - 04:22
Justin....
Despite all it&#39;s glaring faults I don&#39;t see how you can blame AOL for a hot CPU.
ya, I know I just felt like saying it.