Got A Grand(cdn) Here's What I Need...

[trillscout]

my cmp is 2yrs old. I ain't spending more than a grand.

needed:

motherboard-something I won't have to change if I upgrade again. (I had asus P4 which doesn't use DDR so I got fckd) So one that holds lot of ram+agp(?) slots

processor-I want an amd but I don't want to oc it(save cost of fans). Does that make sense or should I get pentium if no ocing? or should I oc?

ddr ram-dual channel? don't know what the diff is? someone pls explain. :huh:

graphics card-don't want 9800xt($600) but one that will last at good price

dvd burner-I could wait til 16x comes out but I won't be burning often to care about the difference. mostly be using for portable storage.[lrg files, games(farcry)]

120gig hd-got an 80&60gig and I'm outta space. :P that's why I want dvd burner-it'll help me store. I'm getting rid of 60gig its corrupt.

case-not important but i need one that could hold 3 hd 3drives(dvd,dvd burner, cd burner) if I decide to keep things.

Priorities: 1.mobo 2.gfxcard 3.processor ...5.case

any suggestions advice will help greatly.
I hate upgrading :(

[atiVidia]

wait til mid may when the new gfx cards come out.

in fact, wait til mid summer. all the new technologies will be released, and u wont want to be left in the dust :)

[SingaBoiy]

Seagate 200 gig 7200 rpm (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4497) for 99 USD. They ship to Canada too.

2 of these (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=506183&Sku=TC2-DDR-512-3&CatId=549) should get you by for memory.

[atiVidia]

Originally posted by SingaBoiy@27 April 2004 - 00:39
Seagate 200 gig 7200 rpm (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4497) for 99 USD. They ship to Canada too.

2 of these (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=506183&Sku=TC2-DDR-512-3&CatId=549) should get you by for memory.
HOLY SH|T!

d00d i havent seen a deal on tiger direct that good in a year!

[clocker]

Originally posted by trillscout@26 April 2004 - 22:44


case-not important but i need one that could hold 3 hd 3drives(dvd,dvd burner, cd burner) if I decide to keep things.


If you get a DVD burner, you won't need a CD burner too.

motherboard-something I won't have to change if I upgrade again. (I had asus P4 which doesn't use DDR so I got fckd) So one that holds lot of ram+agp(?) slots
You'll prolly never install more than 1 GB of RAM so even two slots will do...1 AGP slot is the norm.

processor-I want an amd but I don't want to oc it(save cost of fans).
You'll need the same number of fans no matter what.

ddr ram-dual channel? don't know what the diff is? someone pls explain.
It's faster.
'Nuff said.

graphics card-don't want 9800xt($600) but one that will last at good price

I think a 9600XT gives you the most bang for the buck, but if you want to go the extra $50, a 9800Pro would be nice.
None of them "last"...they are ALL obsolete the second you buy them...

dvd burner-I could wait til 16x comes out but I won't be burning often to care about the difference. mostly be using for portable storage.[lrg files, games(farcry)]
In that case get a 4x burner...they're cheaper.

case-not important
Oh really?
I think you'd be surprised how much a nice case matters. Removable motherboard trays are sweet. Space for fans is good (although you will almost certainly have to remove the factory grills) as are removable HDD racks. Don't go cheap here...you'll regret sooner rather than later.

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by atiVidia+27 April 2004 - 04:17--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (atiVidia &#064; 27 April 2004 - 04:17)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by SingaBoiy@27 April 2004 - 00:39
Seagate 200 gig 7200 rpm (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4497) for 99 USD. They ship to Canada too.

2 of these (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=506183&Sku=TC2-DDR-512-3&CatId=549) should get you by for memory.
HOLY SH|T&#33;

d00d i havent seen a deal on tiger direct that good in a year&#33;[/b]
Watch out for expiry of the rebate:
<!--QuoteBegin-from tigerdirect site
Valid 4/21/2004 - 4/28/2004.[/quote]

[zapjb]

clocker&nbsp; Posted on 27 April 2004 - 07:53
... QUOTE
case-not important

Oh really?
I think you&#39;d be surprised how much a nice case matters. Removable motherboard trays are sweet. Space for fans is good (although you will almost certainly have to remove the factory grills) as are removable HDD racks. Don&#39;t go cheap here...you&#39;ll regret sooner rather than later.

Sheeze clocker. I almost thought you were going to mention Antec there. :lol:

[clocker]

Well, I almost did, but I figured that you&#39;d be along sooner or later.

And I was right...

[atiVidia]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234+27 April 2004 - 08:38--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Virtualbody1234 @ 27 April 2004 - 08:38)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by atiVidia+27 April 2004 - 04:17--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (atiVidia &#064; 27 April 2004 - 04:17)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-SingaBoiy@27 April 2004 - 00:39
Seagate 200 gig 7200 rpm (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4497) for 99 USD. They ship to Canada too.

2 of these (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=506183&Sku=TC2-DDR-512-3&CatId=549) should get you by for memory.
HOLY SH|T&#33;

d00d i havent seen a deal on tiger direct that good in a year&#33;[/b]
Watch out for expiry of the rebate:
<!--QuoteBegin-from tigerdirect site
Valid 4/21/2004 - 4/28/2004.[/quote] [/b][/quote]
i got 1

dont worry itll be here by the end of the week

that bring the grand total og giggage in my SFF to 360. i plan on installing another copy of windows (media center edition) and linux (SuSE 9.1)


rofl thank god i got it today :)

[trillscout]

thx all.

mobo question: ide slots, pci slots how many should I have?
name products pls.
do u like the asus k8v?

cpu question: amd or pentium. which one xp 2500+, p4.3, athlon 64 or keep what I have-p4 2.0mhz?

[tesco]

Originally posted by trillscout@27 April 2004 - 21:02
thx all.

mobo question: ide slots, pci slots how many should I have?
name products pls.
do u like the asus k8v?

cpu question: amd or pentium.&nbsp; which one xp 2500+, p4.3, athlon 64 or keep what I have-p4 2.0mhz?
no ide slots needed, thats very old technology. pci slots arent really too needed becuase of everything being onboard these days, but id still go for 5 which is standard these days. agp slot for sure. might wanna wait a while for pci express, which will replace pci and agp.

for processor, well it depends which company you like better, amd or intel. The amd processors tend to give more bang for your buck. if you have the money, fgo for an athlon 64 fx 53&#092;51&#092; or amd 64 3400+. They give around the same performance as teh pentium 4 cpus of the same price range, but thats in 32bit software, and in 64bit it will be veyr much improved...

[Keikan]

None of them "last"...they are ALL obsolete the second you buy them

Lasting means how long the gfx card will support min game system requirements

[trillscout]

c&#39;mon guys...

should I get an amd 64 or a p4 3.mhz(?)???
what model of mobos???

[SingaBoiy]

AMD 64... they are just... better.

[tesco]

Originally posted by trillscout@28 April 2004 - 00:22
c&#39;mon guys...

should I get an amd 64 or a p4 3.mhz(?)???
what model of mobos???
AMD 64&#33;

[lynx]

AMD 64.

Which means of course that you will need PC3200 memory or better, not PC2700 as suggested by Singaboiy. And you will want 1GB for when 64-bit windows comes out (minimum spec I believe) so get 2x512MB for full dual channel operation, or a mobo with 4 memory slots so you can get 2x256MB now and add the same later.

Here&#39;s (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/DevelopWithAMD/1,,30_2252_869_9460%5E9461,00.html?1063907314) a link to AMD recommended motherboards. It varies depending on which level of processor you select.

[trillscout]

@lynx thx man.
is it really worth getting amd 64 over amd 2700+?

it only makes sense if you are preparing for 3yrs from now
when 64 bit will be used to its abilities.

But amd 2700+ will be enough to play games and run graphic design programs, right?

64bit seems more than I&#39;ll ever need. Or is it?

Another question: should I order online or through a computer store and get them
to order and put together the parts?
I live in Can the currency exchange plus S&H seems to offset the low prices. Or
am I totally wrong.

I know I seem like a n00b but I just don&#39;t want to get burned again.

[tesco]

Originally posted by trillscout@28 April 2004 - 21:23
@lynx thx man.
is it really worth getting amd 64 over amd 2700+?

it only makes sense if you are preparing for 3yrs from now
when 64 bit will be used to its abilities.

But amd 2700+ will be enough to play games and run graphic design programs, right?

64bit seems more than I&#39;ll ever need. Or is it?

Another question: should I order online or through a computer store and get them
to order and put together the parts?
I live in Can the currency exchange plus S&H seems to offset the low prices. Or
am I totally wrong.

I know I seem like a n00b but I just don&#39;t want to get burned again.
u dont seem like a newbie, most newbies are always saying that buying OEM is teh cheapest way <_< lol.

go 64bit if u can afford it. if your not going 64bit though, then the best deal is to buy a 2500+ and OC it to 3200+, which is easily acheiveable using stock cooling and pc3200 ram. a lot of members on this board have acheived this and higher, and I have also done this with a computer I built for my aunt. The temps are pretty good too.

[trillscout]

buy a 2500+ and OC it to 3200+, which is easily acheiveable using stock cooling and pc3200 ram

u could but at 3200+ it still wouldn&#39;t be 64bit right?

so there&#39;s no point in buying a 2800+ then cause 2500+ can beat it ocing anyways.

I&#39;ll get a 64bit.

What motherboard is good though. What do u guys have.

what&#39;s the difference in HDD that are ATA or SATA?
What&#39;s the difference in ram thats ECC or non-ECC?

Everything else I can figure out.

[tesco]

Originally posted by trillscout@28 April 2004 - 21:53

buy a 2500+ and OC it to 3200+, which is easily acheiveable using stock cooling and pc3200 ram

u could but at 3200+ it still wouldn&#39;t be 64bit right?

so there&#39;s no point in buying a 2800+ then cause 2500+ can beat it ocing anyways.

I&#39;ll get a 64bit.

What motherboard is good though. What do u guys have.

what&#39;s the difference in HDD that are ATA or SATA?
What&#39;s the difference in ram thats ECC or non-ECC?

Everything else I can figure out.
not sure bout edd and non ecc.

sata is the fasterm and newer type of interface for connecting the hard drive. will offer slighty better performance, plus u wont have those bulky big ide ribbon cables (well unless you get rounded ones)

for a motherboard, i beleive that the via kt800 (think thats it, well teh latest via chipset anyway) is the current leader for motherboard chipsets, and the nvidia nforce 3 is the next best i beleive. Good companies are abit, asus and gigabyte (there are a few other good companies, but these are the main ones).

[lynx]

Just want to make sure you realise that Athlon 64 uses a different socket (socket 762) from Athlon XP. They are not interchangeable so you need to decide which to go for.

Top Athlon 64&#39;s are rated in exactly the same way as Athlon XP&#39;s, so if you get a 2800 version of each you should get the same performance. But that all changes when you switch to full 64 bit operation. Reports from Linux 64-bit operations suggest up to 50% improvement in performance. This sounds a lot to me, but some improvement is likely.

[johnboy27]

trillscout,where are you from in Canada? I know of a couple of shops near me that have good prices but once you factor in shipping the prices may not be so good.

As for going 64bit.I personally wouldn&#39;t bother.By the time the 64 bit programs really start to be the norm your system will likely be outdated anyway.You likley won&#39;t see 64bit windows for a couple of years,you know how fast eveything gets outdated relating to computers.
Myself I would get an AthlonXP 2500+,Asus A7N8X deluxe,512-1 gig of ram (either kingston hyperX,OCZ,mushkin etc)120 gig Western Digital 8mb cache harddrive,LG 8x dvd +/-/ram burner (they are on sale for 109 at my local shop),Radeon 9600Pro.That&#39;s about a grand worth of stuff locally for me.I&#39;ll calculate it all up and see.

Athlon XP2500+ = 118.78
Asus A7N8X deluxe =149.39
Mushkin 512mb dual channel PC3200 kit=231.00
120 gig WD 8mb cache=126.78
Sapphire 9600Pro = 189.44

Total is 937.70


So add a case with PSU for 39+tax =44.85 and you still fall under 1000.00

[trillscout]

thx johnnyboy27 and lynx.

I&#39;m in toronto. I was thinking of going to places in the spadina+college area.
R u familliar with that area?

Thanks for listing exact models. This is what I wanted.

the mushkin for &#036;231 please tell me its for 2 512ram(1024)

everyone talks about amd2500+ but what is it&#39;s Pentium equivalent cause I have
P4 2.0mhz so there&#39;s no point getting 2500+ if it gives the same performance.

I don&#39;t plan on ocing.

[johnboy27]

The 2500+ is more close to a 2.5 gig processor.I have one in my machine and I love it. My machine works smooth and is fast.
Have you tried www.ncix.com? Their prices are pretty close to equivalent to my local shops prices.They actually base some of their prices on his on occasion,they kinda got a price war going on.
As for the Mushkin ram,that is only 512 mb(2x256) but that stuff is super expensive to begin with.You could get some elixer,infineon etc for 150 bucks or so for 512 but the mushkin is much better.Probably capapble of better timing and much more efficient than the generic brands.

PS,my prices had 15% tax on them also because I am in Nova Scotia so your prices would be abit lower due to the way your taxes are set up.I believe you just pay 7% don&#39;t you?

[tesco]

Originally posted by johnboy27@30 April 2004 - 06:59
PS,my prices had 15% tax on them also because I am in Nova Scotia so your prices would be abit lower due to the way your taxes are set up.I believe you just pay 7% don&#39;t you?
nahh, ontario also pays 15% tax :angry:

[johnboy27]

Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004+30 April 2004 - 14:08--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ROSSCO_2004 @ 30 April 2004 - 14:08)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-johnboy27@30 April 2004 - 06:59
PS,my prices had 15% tax on them also because I am in Nova Scotia so your prices would be abit lower due to the way your taxes are set up.I believe you just pay 7% don&#39;t you?
nahh, ontario also pays 15% tax :angry: [/b][/quote]
Never mind then.I guess my prices are roughly what you would pay then.

[lynx]

FYI:

Trial version of Windows XP 64-Bit Edition for 64-Bit Extended Systems is now available here (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/downloads/upgrade.asp).

System Requirements:

* PC with an AMD Athlon64 or Opteron processor
* 256MB RAM
* 1.5GB available hard-disk space
* Super VGA (800x600) or higher resolution video card
* CD-ROM or DVD drive
* Keyboard and Microsoft Mouse or compatible pointing device

Important: Windows XP 64-Bit Edition for 64-Bit Extended Systems is only compatible with 64-bit AMD Opteron– or Athlon 64-based computers. It cannot be successfully installed on 64-bit Intel Itanium–based systems.

Interestingly, Windows XP 64-bit for Itanium requires 1GB RAM, I wrongly assumed that the version for AMD would also require that much memory.

Unlike johnboy, I don&#39;t think it will be too long before the retail version is released. Linux versions are already available, I think M&#036; will want to get in on the act before they lose too much business in that direction.