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[musicmaster]

I am going to buy a DVD recorder for my PC. I was at Fry's Electronics and saw a Sony Dual Layered DVD burner... but they said they didnt have media for it. I was wondering if regular DVDRs would work in this... or do I need to wait for dual layered DVDRs?

Also.... I am guessing these are not double sided... just dual layered... so will they be coming out with double sided DVD discs at all? Will they be coming out with more layers on one side of a disc?

Last question is... am I just better off just getting a regular DVD burner?

Thanks for the help :helpsmile: :D

[SingaBoiy]

You will be able to burn both dual-layer and single when dual come out.

There is double-sided media out there you can use.

Dont think they will come out with double-dual-layer discs for a long time.

If you got the money for it, you might as well get it.

[musicmaster]

Thanks for the info :)

[atiVidia]

dual-layer +Rs are already out, and certified at 2.4x speed :)
wait til the DVD burners hit 16x speed. 12x is already out, so just wait til 16x is out and you are fine. 16x is the highest they can go w/o adding more lasers :)

[SingaBoiy]

Originally posted by atiVidia@10 June 2004 - 10:32
dual-layer +Rs are already out, and certified at 2.4x speed :)
wait til the DVD burners hit 16x speed. 12x is already out, so just wait til 16x is out and you are fine. 16x is the highest they can go w/o adding more lasers :)
My bad, didnt know they had em out yet. But there are 16x burners out right now.

[musicmaster]

uhhhhhh I dont really care about speed necessarily.... I am just concerned with storage capacity.

Also, I can get the dual layered media, but not at Fry's... but I am not concerned with it at this time... because it is probably too expensive and I can use the single layered discs until the dual layered prices drop.

So, anyways, the one I am looking at which I can get at Fry's Electronics here in California... and other states is the Sony DRU-700A which is 8x. Here is a review of it.

http://cdrlabs.com/reviews/index.php?reviewid=230


Lemme know your guys synopsis.

[SingaBoiy]

I'd jump on any good offer I'd for that. I have a Sony 510A and it works perfectly. Storage dont matter to much for videos as you can cut down the size with DVDShrink w/o too much loss in quality. Unless you would be getting this for file storage.

[muchspl2]

Fry's has the worst employees, and have read plenty of complaints of second hand merchandise (refurbished)
I'd stay away from them, I just got a nec 2510a for 92 bucks shipped from www.newegg.com
its dual layer and is fast, its what everyone has been waiting for

[musicmaster]

@ Singaboiy --- I am using this for both data storage... such as saving all my mp3s on disc to free up space on my hard drive... and also to burn movies. Would this one not be recommended? Did you take a look at the link in my earlier post?


@ muchspl2 --- I agree with you on Fry's employees... but I only buy things that dont have those labels on them where you can see they have been opened and returned. As for refurbished.... I do not think they sell refurbished, unless it is plainly marked so. These Sonys I am referring to are new ones, not refurbished. Do you still think I shouldn't go with this one?

[muchspl2]

how much is it, are did you say ?

[Voetsek]

Burners are very cheap take a good look sub £60 in the uk

[musicmaster]

@ Voetsek -- we are discussing "Dual-Layered" burners. I am in the U.S. the way... and 60 pounds UK is about $95 U.S. but that is for "Single-Layered" (guess)




@ muchspl2 -- $200 at Fry's Sony Dual Layered Drive. Here is a link to Fry's online store to see it. http://shop4.outpost.com/product/4052042

[muchspl2]

wow :eek:
200.00 thats twice the price of the NEC model, hell I bought the NEC and 50 8x dvd-r's for 130 buck's but hey it's your money

[musicmaster]

Originally posted by muchspl2@12 June 2004 - 04:38
wow :eek:
200.00 thats twice the price of the NEC model, hell I bought the NEC and 50 8x dvd-r's for 130 buck's but hey it's your money
Mine is Dual Layered. I think you are referring to Single Layered. Anyways, Mine is Sony... and I only go for the tops. Sony, or the like... I dont know about NEC.... they make ok computers I guess... for for components.... I would say go with the tops.... not computer makers. Anyways, I got 50 pack of DVD+R for $39.99

[lynx]

You think Sony are top of the line? :blink: :blink:

Most of their stuff is simply rebadged from other manufacturers.

I've got a Sony DW-10U, which is physically the same as a DRU-500A but for the OEM market. Sony won't even acknowledge it exists, so no firmware upgrades, no support. It's out of warranty now so it doesn't matter anymore.

Fortunately someone made a hack to convert the firmware to make it into a true DRU-500A, so at least I can do firmware upgrades. But no hardware fixes because the label says DW-10U

It's completely failed on me twice now, the only way to get it working again was to open it up and manually move the laser head.

I won't be buying another Sony PoS.

[muchspl2]

right sony sucks, its all marketing, and guess you guys have fell for it
and the nec burner I'm talking about is dual layer burner, in fact the 2500 has had hacked firm wear to give it DL support for over 6 weeks now, so IDK what your worried about
hell, http://www.herrie.org/index.php is all you need to know about firmware at least they had DL compatibility before anyone else (for nec)
but hey if buying a sony makes you sleep better at night then go for it, its your money (are your parent's :lol: )


p.s. the media you posted isn't 8x, mine was if you want slower media I can get you 100-pack Ritek DVD-Rs for around $60 even better if you want 2x :rolleyes:

[Voetsek]

http://www.afterdawn.com/

[musicmaster]

Ok... so what do I know about hardware?? Not much evidently!!! :D :D I just thought it was a good deal with a good name. I guess I can return it. By the way... my parents have nothing to do with my purchases ummmm if they did, then I suppose they could loan me some money to make mortgage payments.

I suppose I can return the Sony. It is unopened and I have the receipt and I purchased it only a few days ago.

As for the media... it is 4x, but for $.82 a piece.. does it really matter how fast it writes? I mean... I am not in a rush... and 4x is fairly fast. We are only looking at going up to 16 in the future max ... is that correct? Lemme know. Thanks.

[tesco]

yup 16x is the fastest they will let DVD burners and readers go.

does anyone know what the maximum speed for rtegular cds is? im guessing 52x?

[musicmaster]

So... should I look into either Lite On or Plextor then for my selection choice for DVD burner? I have had no problems with my PlexWriter CD burner... and I would not buy another CD burner. So, is this a wise choice for DVD burner as well?

[muchspl2]

16x is the future, but 8x is here now, the thing is if you have 8x media and a 8x burner I would burn at 4x just to be safe, but on the other hand, if you only have 4x media/burner then i would only burn @ 2x
plextor is one of the best I could recommend, but it will cost more than than your overpriced sony :(
why are so reluctant to purchase a nec, all the reviews are great

[musicmaster]

Not so much relucant to buy NEC... I just want the best for the best price. I just check the PX-708A on pricewatch.com for $100. One of the negtive things is a 2mb buffer... but that seemed ok if I dont do much while I am burning. Other than that, it got great reviews. I hope I can still find it for $100.

BTW where is your review on the NEC? Lemme take a look at that.

Thanks

[muchspl2]

well the thread i posted a review in is gone but a quick google "nec 2510a review" came up with plenty
http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=459

[musicmaster]

Here is a link to the PX-708. What do you think about this one muchspl2?

http://cdrlabs.com/reviews/index.php?reviewid=203

I will look into the one NEC you were talking about as well. Where did you purchase it?

[muchspl2]

Originally posted by http://secure.newegg.com/app/CustratingReview.asp?DEPA=0&item=27-152-011
dijuremo,5/22/2004 6:42:47 AM

I have both a NEC 2500A and a Plextor 708A. After burning about 100 DVDs using both drives I definitely have to go with the NEC 2500A. Even more now that "The Byte Brothers" and "Herrie" are working on the Dual Layer Firmware for the Nec. While the plextor would burn Ritek 4X DVD+R media at 8X, the NEC would only do 6X (1.06 firmware) unless you upgrade the firmware to 1.07 (I am using Herrie's 10.7beta9) where you can burn at 8X on Ritek DVD+R 4X media (Which newegg also sells).
With the plextor you can easily distinguish about 3 different zones on the burned side of the DVDs while on the NEC they look very even. A few DVD-R discs I burned with the plextor did not work on my PS2 even though they were readable on the PC. I have had no failure with the NEC and Ritek media. I am expecting the new Phillips DVP642 that plays divx out of CDs and DVDs and will post again about the compatibility of NEC+Ritek on the DVP642.
The last thing is the price, the NEC is half the price, YOU CANNOT GO WRONG with the NEC.


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http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-152-021&depa=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=27-152-021&depa=1)

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-152-023&depa=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=27-152-023&depa=1)

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-152-025&depa=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=27-152-025&depa=1)

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-152-020&depa=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=27-152-020&depa=1)

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-152-024&depa=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=27-152-024&depa=1)

Links above are all the same drive, just some are OEM, so no retail packaging and drive comes in white box...

[musicmaster]

I appreciate the info on NEC. I am not so concerned with speed and burning movies yet. I am just getting the DVD burner to backup my mp3s on larger format discs as opposed to using a reg. CD-R. Anyhow, I will look into getting one of those. Thanks again.

[muchspl2]

n/p that quote was for the 2500 but the 2510a is just the newer one with the newer firmware installed
let us know what you get, I'm curious now :lol:

[Amarjit]

There is present availability of double-sided media: DVD-RAM.

EDIT: Three new DVD standards have virtually emerged overnight, and they happen to be 2.4x DVD+R DL, 12x DVD+R and 5x DVD-RAM.

LG has revised its "Super Multi DVD Writer" to release the GSA-4120B, which coincedently supports all three standards. The only criticism held against this drive is the fact it lacks 8x DVD+RW support, which the Sony DW-U18A doesn't - albeit, it merely supports 2x DVD-RW rather than the 4x of the LG. But both Sony's and NEC's new burners aren't truly exceptional.

[musicmaster]

Ok... so, now I get someone that is discounting the NEC. So, what to do, what to do, hmmmm....

Well, I know that technology does change overnight all the time. And things only get smaller, quicker, cost less, work better, and hold more information. I just have to find the best quality for the money at this time, as I really need to burn my mp3's on disc to free up space.

So, I guess I am still up in the air about buying a burner. Shall I get NEC or now I see LG. But, I might stick with muchspl2's suggestion about the NEC. My question is though, first of all.... where do you think the best place to purchase the NEC is and secondly.... what model? Shall I go with the 2500 or the new 2510A? I dont want to have problems with the 2500 if the firmware is acting up.

Also, I did notice on the specs of that NEC, that its buffer is 2MB... the same as the Plextor. So, I am wondering if the 2500A has a larger buffer, just in case I am doing other things while burning, which I will most likely want to do.

Lemme know.

Thanks.

[muchspl2]

that shouldn't matter, if you don't care about dl burning get the 2500, next year a dl that burns @ 16x will be the same price are better, the 2500 works great with the hacked firmware, in fact should have no problems, but the 2510a comes out of the box guarantied 8x dl supported, so it's really a toss up right now, ESP the deference in price, last I checked it was 88.00 for the 2500 and I paid 92.00 shiped for my 2510a 3 days ago (it's 86.00 now :angry: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc....-152-023&DEPA=0 (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=27-152-023&DEPA=0) )well i just got it instaled, about to burn my first dvd :)

[musicmaster]

Originally posted by muchspl2@16 June 2004 - 22:43
that shouldn't matter, if you don't care about dl burning get the 2500, next year a dl that burns @ 16x will be the same price are better, the 2500 works great with the hacked firmware, in fact should have no problems, but the 2510a comes out of the box guarantied 8x dl supported, so it's really a toss up right now, ESP the deference in price, last I checked it was 88.00 for the 2500 and I paid 92.00 shiped for my 2510a 3 days ago (it's 86.00 now :angry: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc....-152-023&DEPA=0 (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=27-152-023&DEPA=0) )well i just got it instaled, about to burn my first dvd :)
What do you mean by "dl"?? To me dl has always meant download. I must have missed class in hardware 101 that day :huh: :o :D

[muchspl2]

dual layer :blink:

[musicmaster]

DUH!!!!!!!!!!! what was I thinkin' :P :P :P