Whats So Good W/ Amd Over Intel?

[haha21]

Why do people prefer AMD over INTEL...
Intel seems fast w/ FSB and 1mb cache...
Also ghz wise...
well I know there still stuck with 32bit but whats the diff please pro - cons.

AMD64
AMDFX

INTEL C
INTEL E

Why!
Well what processers do you prefer in amd?
not over 300 please!
Aswell as intel!

[SingaBoiy]

Originally posted by haha21@17 June 2004 - 22:40
Why do people prefer AMD over INTEL...
Intel seems fast w/ FSB and 1mb cache...
Also ghz wise...
well I know there still stuck with 32bit but whats the diff please pro - cons.

AMD64
AMDFX

INTEL C
INTEL E

Why!
Well what processers do you prefer in amd?
not over 300 please!
Aswell as intel!
1. Intel is alot more expensive. AMD 2500+ runs equivilent to 2.5 but with OC capabilties.
2. AMD currently has the chip with the biggest FSB with 1600
3. 2500+ has the most bang for the buck according to many in these forums.

Clocker and Rossco and few other im sure will be able to give you more in depth answers but those are the basics.

[FlyingDutchman]

I think this is a good article.

Athlon64 for Quiet Power (http://www.silentpcreview.com/article169-page1.html)

Read it!

[clocker]

It all comes down to money.
AMD chips are less expensive and deliver nearly the same performance.

I suppose that it really depends on what you do with your PC.
Frankly, I doubt that most people utilize the full power of their computers anyway, so if you can save a few bucks on the chip ( money well directed to other areas of the machine), then why not?

[tesco]

As everyone has said, it's the money. If i was rich, sure i'd go with intel, but im not. AMD is like half the price to give you a processor with same performance all around.

[bigdawgfoxx]

AMD does more processes in every clock cycle. They do like, lets say 10, at 2.2Ghz

Intel does 6 at 3.2Ghz...The clock cycle goes a little bit faster, but doesnt send as much data each time..

They are both good. If I was to build a new comp...yeah right..i love mine haha I would go for at least a 3200 64...for the 1mb of l2cache

BTW, my friend has a 9800Pro..256bit version of course lol and an athlon 64 3000...his mom made a proffesional build it...and charged like 400 bux...w/e lol but hes only getting like 41000 in aquamark...no aa or af or nething is on...its wierd.

[RGX]

Ghz doesnt mean anything anymore.....an Amd 2.2 Ghz will thrash most Intel 3.0Ghz+.

;)

[bigdawgfoxx]

Truck (http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=163411462&dealer_id=1760108&car_year=1994&search_type=used&make=CHEV&model=CHEV150&transmission=&distance=300&address=75762&advanced=y&max_mileage=&max_price=8000&min_price=&end_year=2005&start_year=1994&drive=4WD&engine=&body_style=&advcd_on=y&doors=&fuel=&color=&cardist=11)

Kinda high mileage is the only thing..what yall think of it? With daul flowmasters?

haha has nothin to do with this thread..but oh well

[tesco]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@18 June 2004 - 10:38
Truck (http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=163411462&dealer_id=1760108&car_year=1994&search_type=used&make=CHEV&model=CHEV150&transmission=&distance=300&address=75762&advanced=y&max_mileage=&max_price=8000&min_price=&end_year=2005&start_year=1994&drive=4WD&engine=&body_style=&advcd_on=y&doors=&fuel=&color=&cardist=11)

Kinda high mileage is the only thing..what yall think of it? With daul flowmasters?

haha has nothin to do with this thread..but oh well
looks good, nice price :) (well, if it was canadian prices, it would be great, but as american, not sure...)

[clocker]

For goodness sake, Dawg, that's a truck!
Why in the world would you need a truck?

Granted, it does have the highly desirable "underdash cup holders", but sheesh.

It's a bloody truck.

[haha21]

Originally posted by SingaBoiy+18 June 2004 - 07:52--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SingaBoiy &#064; 18 June 2004 - 07:52)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-haha21@17 June 2004 - 22:40
Why do people prefer AMD over INTEL...
Intel seems fast w/ FSB and 1mb cache...
Also ghz wise...
well I know there still stuck with 32bit but whats the diff please pro - cons.

AMD64
AMDFX

INTEL C
INTEL E

Why&#33;
Well what processers do you prefer in amd?
not over 300 please&#33;
Aswell as intel&#33;
1. Intel is alot more expensive. AMD 2500+ runs equivilent to 2.5 but with OC capabilties.
2. AMD currently has the chip with the biggest FSB with 1600
3. 2500+ has the most bang for the buck according to many in these forums.

Clocker and Rossco and few other im sure will be able to give you more in depth answers but those are the basics. [/b][/quote]
what 1600fsb&#33;?
how come i see the 3000 w/ 400 fsb sooo... if i oc will it get hot?
sooo.... yeah....
i never oc besides video cards...


how to oc w/ athlon any article to read from?
and how to oc barton 2500 to 2.5GHZ&#33;&#33;&#33; whoa...

[bigdawgfoxx]

Thanks ross

Clocker, I live in texas keep in mind..the coolest thing is big jacked up trucks..or excalades on 24s...theres alot of rich rich people who live in my city with a wholeeee lot of nice cars always driving around...prob a lot of debt to tho lol...most 16 year old guys get trucks, not cars.

[tesco]

Originally posted by haha21+18 June 2004 - 19:19--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (haha21 @ 18 June 2004 - 19:19)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by SingaBoiy@18 June 2004 - 07:52
<!--QuoteBegin-haha21@17 June 2004 - 22:40
Why do people prefer AMD over INTEL...
Intel seems fast w/ FSB and 1mb cache...
Also ghz wise...
well I know there still stuck with 32bit but whats the diff please pro - cons.

AMD64
AMDFX

INTEL C
INTEL E

Why&#33;
Well what processers do you prefer in amd?
not over 300 please&#33;
Aswell as intel&#33;
1. Intel is alot more expensive. AMD 2500+ runs equivilent to 2.5 but with OC capabilties.
2. AMD currently has the chip with the biggest FSB with 1600
3. 2500+ has the most bang for the buck according to many in these forums.

Clocker and Rossco and few other im sure will be able to give you more in depth answers but those are the basics.
what 1600fsb&#33;?
how come i see the 3000 w/ 400 fsb sooo... if i oc will it get hot?
sooo.... yeah....
i never oc besides video cards...


how to oc w/ athlon any article to read from?
and how to oc barton 2500 to 2.5GHZ&#33;&#33;&#33; whoa... [/b][/quote]
the 64bit processors are 1600mhz FSB :D

@bigdawg&#092;clocker, trucks aren&#39;t that popular around here, but there is this one guy at my school with a truck and it looks pretty cool to see someone my age driving a truck&#33; lol. I want one :rolleyes:

[bigdawgfoxx]

Trucks are really popular around here...everyone has one...bad gasmilage tho

[tesco]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@18 June 2004 - 22:34
Trucks are really popular around here...everyone has one...bad gasmilage tho
lol yeah, and i HATE the sound of deisal engines. SO LOUD. my neighbor has one, and he goes to work at like 6am, wakes me up EVERYDAY with that godamned truck lol.

[trillscout]

Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004+19 June 2004 - 03:47--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ROSSCO_2004 @ 19 June 2004 - 03:47)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@18 June 2004 - 22:34
Trucks are really popular around here...everyone has one...bad gasmilage tho
lol yeah, and i HATE the sound of deisal engines. SO LOUD. my neighbor has one, and he goes to work at like 6am, wakes me up EVERYDAY with that godamned truck lol. [/b][/quote]
ooookkay...back to the tread :D

tell me what is the pentium equivalent to the amd 2500+ w/o ocing?

[bigdawgfoxx]

I would say 2.4C

It wouldnt be a diesel either

[pc-gamer-dude]

HAHAHAHA
http://www.geocities.com/tr1536/mytruck/index.htm
my truck&#33;

[clocker]

And how many burnt up Intels have you carried in the bed at one time?

[trillscout]

Originally posted by clocker@19 June 2004 - 04:57
And how many burnt up Intels have you carried in the bed at one time?
:blink:

[abu_has_the_power]

cheaper. but not really able to compare to the intel&#39;s raw power. once u oc though, it might be able to compare. intel is more powerful if u don&#39;t oc at all

[Chewie]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@18 June 2004 - 15:38
Truck (http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=163411462&dealer_id=1760108&car_year=1994&search_type=used&make=CHEV&model=CHEV150&transmission=&distance=300&address=75762&advanced=y&max_mileage=&max_price=8000&min_price=&end_year=2005&start_year=1994&drive=4WD&engine=&body_style=&advcd_on=y&doors=&fuel=&color=&cardist=11)

Kinda high mileage is the only thing..what yall think of it? With daul flowmasters?

haha has nothin to do with this thread..but oh well
Jesus, that ain&#39;t a truck, it&#39;s a pick-up.

Image Resized
http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/pnwtm/2003/frtlnr/dscn5052.jpg' width='200' height='120' border='0' alt='click for full size view'> ('http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/pnwtm/2003/frtlnr/dscn5052.jpg')
Now [i]that is a truck.
:D

[haha21]

cheaper. but not really able to compare to the intel&#39;s raw power. once u oc though, it might be able to compare. intel is more powerful if u don&#39;t oc at all
true... If im going to O/C do i have to change the amd stock fans into those nut ass coolers?

@ the people who are talking about trucks.
when did trucks come up with intel and amd lol&#33;?

[Chewie]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@19 June 2004 - 06:01
cheaper. but not really able to compare to the intel&#39;s raw power. once u oc though, it might be able to compare. intel is more powerful if u don&#39;t oc at all
Eh?
Didn&#39;t I see a link in this forum to a power:&#036; review that showed the Intels being wiped out by cheaper AMDs?
Never mind, my advice would be to get the fastet AMD you can afford because it&#39;ll spank the arse off the fastest Intel you can afford. :)
Also, unless you&#39;re going to get one of the top dog CPUs there&#39;s not much point in spending too much to cool a cheaper but overclocked chip, when that money could be put toward a faster chip in the first place AFAIC.

Edit:
Ah, here it is http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1927

[tesco]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@19 June 2004 - 01:01
cheaper. but not really able to compare to the intel&#39;s raw power. once u oc though, it might be able to compare. intel is more powerful if u don&#39;t oc at all
<_< thats just wrong, an athlon xp 2500+ is pretty damn close to a pentium 4 2.5ghz, but like half the price...so i don&#39;t see how you can compare the two unless they were teh same price, if that was what you were doing...

[clocker]

Originally posted by haha21@19 June 2004 - 01:04
If im going to O/C do i have to change the amd stock fans into those nut ass coolers?


That is an endlessly debatable question.

AMDs do tend to run warmer than Intels- OC&#39;ed or not.
With a semi-effective case cooling setup the stock AMD HSF can work just fine.

The next step up wold be the stock HS modded with an 80mm fan...a solution that many overlook, but I found to be very effective, especially given the monetary outlay involved.

After that you can go as crazy as you wish.

One small caveat...
NO heatsink, from the merely good to the truly exceptional, can help a poorly ventilated case.
Taking care of aiflow in the case should be your first priority no matter how you intend to proceed.

[RGX]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@19 June 2004 - 06:01
cheaper. but not really able to compare to the intel&#39;s raw power. once u oc though, it might be able to compare. intel is more powerful if u don&#39;t oc at all
Wrong. A 2.2 ghz AMD can wipe the floor with all intels, especially when overclocked.

Ghz means shit.

[haha21]

ahhh gezzz...
what to choose what type of amd is the best/good deal?

[abu_has_the_power]

just a clairfication, my current pc (sig) gets higher scores in all benchies (3dmark 03/01, aquamark, and sisoft benchies) with a athlon 64 3200 with same graphx card and ram. although my friend&#39;s pc (the one i compared to) has pc 4000 ram instead of pc3200 (me). he didn&#39;t oc though. does that prove my point or not? mines bascially a p4 3.2 and he&#39;s an athlon "64" :rolleyes: and i beat him.

[clocker]

That&#39;s marvelous, Abu.

What happens when your friend turns his PC on?

[lynx]

Originally posted by clocker@19 June 2004 - 19:26
That&#39;s marvelous, Abu.

What happens when your friend turns his PC on?
ROFPMSL

Now you need to come and wipe it up. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[tesco]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@19 June 2004 - 12:54
just a clairfication, my current pc (sig) gets higher scores in all benchies (3dmark 03/01, aquamark, and sisoft benchies) with a athlon 64 3200 with same graphx card and ram. although my friend&#39;s pc (the one i compared to) has pc 4000 ram instead of pc3200 (me). he didn&#39;t oc though. does that prove my point or not? mines bascially a p4 3.2 and he&#39;s an athlon "64" :rolleyes: and i beat him.
yes, but that is running 32bit software. If whatever program u used was capable of running 64bit stuff then the athlon 64 would be spitting all over your intel.

edit: Then there is teh price thing again as well, the athlon 64bit 3200+ is 369 canadian dollars, the 3ghz pentium 4 is the same price, im sure the 64bit processor could be equivelent or better than the intel one.

[Chewie]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@19 June 2004 - 17:54
just a clairfication, my current pc (sig) gets higher scores in all benchies (3dmark 03/01, aquamark, and sisoft benchies) with a athlon 64 3200 with same graphx card and ram. although my friend&#39;s pc (the one i compared to) has pc 4000 ram instead of pc3200 (me). he didn&#39;t oc though. does that prove my point or not? mines bascially a p4 3.2 and he&#39;s an athlon "64" :rolleyes: and i beat him.
No, you&#39;ve spent too much time tweaking your system while you say your mate&#39;s isn&#39;t clocked. You could un-clock everything in your box except the CPU and bench again, though.

[haha21]

alright.

[RGX]

Originally posted by Chewie UK+20 June 2004 - 01:21--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chewie UK @ 20 June 2004 - 01:21)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@19 June 2004 - 17:54
just a clairfication, my current pc (sig) gets higher scores in all benchies (3dmark 03/01, aquamark, and sisoft benchies) with a athlon 64 3200 with same graphx card and ram. although my friend&#39;s pc (the one i compared to) has pc 4000 ram instead of pc3200 (me). he didn&#39;t oc though. does that prove my point or not? mines bascially a p4 3.2 and he&#39;s an athlon "64" :rolleyes: and i beat him.
No, you&#39;ve spent too much time tweaking your system while you say your mate&#39;s isn&#39;t clocked. You could un-clock everything in your box except the CPU and bench again, though. [/b][/quote]
Exactly, he came close to you running 32 bit software with NO clocking. Every part of your system is tweaked.

I&#39;d also like to see benchies to prove this please.

[haha21]

Is this okay?

AMD Athlon XP 3000+ (2.17GHz) Barton 333FSB Retail - 219 (CAD)
Abit NF7 nForce 2 Ultra 400 w/Audio, LAN, Dual DDR400 - 89.95 (CAD)

Am I able to O/C athlons without sweat?

[lynx]

You won&#39;t get much OCing out of a XP3000+. It is already near the limit of what can be achieved with 130nm technology.

That&#39;s why people go for the cheaper 2500 or 2600 Bartons and OC them to 2.2GHz or better. It is easily possible to get XP3200 performance from the cheaper chips, and you won&#39;t do much better with an XP3000.

The motherboard is OK for your purposes, get the cheaper chip and spend the difference on higher quality ram.

Edit: get the retail version of the Barton, the stock cooler should be ok for OCing as long as your case ventilation is good.

[haha21]

http://content.guru3d.com/article/review/37/1

good review about it...
yeah pretty much you cant o/c
max is 2.33ghz

im buying
Samsung DDR400(PC3200) 512MB RAM *103.95

i had a bad experince w/ athlon 2000 xp since i checked it with speedfan and what do i see&#33;
127 degrees celcus.


anyways should i get a 2500 - 2800 barton core?
somewhere around there?

[bigdawgfoxx]

Yeah, get the 2500Xp

[lynx]

I&#39;ve got a 2500 running at 2.28GHz, well in excess of XP3200 performance, but it does tend to get a little hot because I&#39;ve had to increase Vcore to 1.75V (or was it 1.775, I can&#39;t remember). Some chips run hotter than others, it&#39;s the luck of the draw.

The 333MHz FSB chips (base frequency 167MHz) seem to go a little funny/unstable at a base freq of about 183 MHz, but start behaving again as you near 200MHz. Thats ok for the 2500 and 2600 chips because their multipliers give a final frequency (at 200MHz base) of 2.2GHz and 2.3GHz respectively. I assume it is because timings are switching from 333MHz FSB to 400MHz FSB at about that point

However, the 2800 chip has a 12.5x multiplier, so the base freq of 200MHz would give you a resultant 2.5GHz, probably way too high. To bring that back down to 2.3GHz you would need a base freq of 184MHz, right in the middle of the unstable area. For that reason, the 2800 is not a good chip for overclocking.

BTW, the rogue temp of 127C you saw in Speedfan is simply an unconnected sensor. You can configure Speedfan to ignore that temp.

[haha21]

wow&#33;
so il just buy 2500?
about 2600? or just stick with 2500?

so if i get 2500 il keep the stock or get better cooling? since if i oc il overheat it or some sort because i dont like how the stock fans of amd athlons preform... pretty bad...

ohh about 127? ohhh thanks il check the bios FOR THE REAL TEMP.

but if i decide not to o/c anything?
whats a good cheap amd processer to leave it be?

[haha21]

is there any article how to oc processors/fsb for newbs?

ohh this is my plan ...

Abit NF7 nForce 2 Ultra 400 (FSB) w/Audio, LAN, Dual DDR400*89.95
AMD Athlon XP2500+ (1.83GHz) Barton 333FSB Retail*109.95
Samsung DDR400(PC3200) 512MB RAM *103.95

there all compatible i see?
you think its good?

[tesco]

Look at the second post. (http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=92343)

edit: yes, it is great. Buy, now, lol.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Dude weve told you get a 2500xp with an Asus A7N8X or an Abit NF7-S with good PC3200 ram...get it man you will like it

[haha21]

Processor
• AMD Athlon XP2500+ (1.83GHz) Barton 333FSB Retail*109.95
Memory
• Samsung DDR400(PC3200) 512MB RAM *103.95
motherboard
• Abit NF7 nForce 2 Ultra 400 w/Audio, LAN, Dual DDR400*89.95
audio
• Integrated Digital 5.1 sound interface
network
• Integrated 10/100 network card
mice
• Logitech Optical Mouse USB and PS/2 Blue/Silver OEM*9.95
keyboard
• Microsoft Multimedia PS2 keyboard OEM*19.95
speakers
• Logitech Z-3 2.1 Speaker System w/Subwoofer Retail*99.95
TOTAL: 433.70
TOTAL AMOUNT: 496.59 w/ GST + PST

Yeah okay, thats what I am going to get...
Thanks&#33; Its kind of barebone system.

[trillscout]

Originally posted by haha21@20 June 2004 - 23:38
is there any article how to oc processors/fsb for newbs?

ohh this is my plan ...

Abit NF7 nForce 2 Ultra 400 (FSB) w/Audio, LAN, Dual DDR400*89.95
AMD Athlon XP2500+ (1.83GHz) Barton 333FSB Retail*109.95
Samsung DDR400(PC3200) 512MB RAM *103.95

there all compatible i see?
you think its good?
I&#39;m assuming those are cdn prices.

Where u find samsung for &#036;103
and 2500+ at &#036;109 at a store or online.

I cheapest I found was 2500+@&#036;115
samsung@&#036;119 all in store prices

I don&#39;t like online shopping S&H :angry:

btw whats better that abit mobo or A7N8X I&#39;m leaning toward asus
but its &#036;115.

[tesco]

I think those speakers are overpriced, the 4.1 speaker version of those 2.1&#39;s i think are like 120 canadian...

edit: NVM, they&#39;re way different than I thought they were.

[haha21]

http://www.pl.tomshardware.com/technews/images/20031008-z3.jpg
I know the speakers are way overprice, but I like this type of design ;) .
Z-3 In future shop there selling it for &#036;120.

lol
Like I said I live @ Vancouver BC and buy the stuff from Anitec.ca its an online store but Its located @ my location so I pick it up there.
(All CAD prices)


http://www.anitec.ca/

Yo trillscout where in canada you from?
maybe this can help select the location from where you @ and find the product you want to buy.
www.pricenetwork.ca

[bigdawgfoxx]

what video card u gettin?

[clocker]

Originally posted by trillscout@20 June 2004 - 19:30


btw whats better that abit mobo or A7N8X I&#39;m leaning toward asus
but its &#036;115.
I have had both boards and ATM I prefer the NF7-S.
You have a few more headers to work with ( specifically USB), the OC options are better, better voltage control AND it comes with a Serellel PATA/SATA adaptor.

Also your BIOS options are more numerous with the ABIT.

[haha21]

ATI Sapphire Radeon 9600 Pro 128MB DDR w/DVI, TV out OEM - 169.95
nVidia GeforceFX5600XT 128MB DDR w/DVI, TV out OEM - 90 (Generic)

Its either but most likely fx5600xt.

[tesco]

The 9600pro is way better than a 5600xt

[haha21]

i know ;) .