Fahrenheit 9/11 (2004)

[Smith]

i am a big fan of Michael Moores films. bowling for columbine is one of my favourite films ive ever seen.

with his new movie Fahrenheit 9/11comming out on friday i will be definately getting a ticket. anyone else interested in seing this on friday?

heres some info on the film:
Plot Outline: Michael Moore's take on what happened to the United States after September 11; and how the Bush Administration used the tragic event to push its agenda.

i recomend you all stop by the fahrenheit 911 web site (http://www.fahrenheit911.com/) and watch the trailer (http://www.fahrenheit911.com/trailer/). if you have never seen any of his work ull wana c this 1.

B)

[hungrylilboy]

def going to see it

[Formula1]

yes i will definetly see this when i have the chance , i too am a fan of Micheal Moore.

[james_bond_rulez]

I will not only go to the theater to see it and i am gonna bring my friends with me ;)

[java.util.Tokarev;]

yea should make for interesting viewing...definately gonna go watch it with my mates.

[Titus808]

i'm gonna watch it, but I'm definetly not paying for it, that fuck michael moore is fat enough, but sometimes he's got interesting points, albeit mostly left wing extremist propaganda (:lol: applesauce bitch! :lol:) It will be an interesting 2 hours.

[KazaaBoy]

http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com
http://www.supersizeme.com

Take that Fahrenheit 9/11

[Rip The Jacker]

I plan on watching it. :)

[Donnie Darko]

cools shocking :o Im gonna se it.

[cpt_azad]

Originally posted by james_bond_rulez@22 June 2004 - 16:32
I will not only go to the theater to see it and i am gonna bring my friends with me ;)
u beat me to it :D , me, a bunch (more like 30) of my friends, and hell even family members are gonna go c it on saturday, this oughta be interesting, trailer looks amazing can't wait B) good job MM

[Bebi]

yeah im going to see it too

[BawA]

but i thought its not going to be released in US, ist? :unsure:

[chinook_apache]

cant wait for it. gonna go watch it when it comes out...or may download if a decent copy is online :P

[Abe]

I never knew propaganda was popular.

[java.util.Tokarev;]

Originally posted by Abe@23 June 2004 - 16:25
I never knew propaganda was popular.
yea well Bush's proaganda seems quite popular dont ya think :huh:

[lee551]

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user@23 June 2004 - 11:05
but i thought its not going to be released in US, ist? :unsure:
yeah it is. it opens nationwide june 25, two days! :01:

[Storm]

Originally posted by Abe@23 June 2004 - 17:25
I never knew propaganda was popular.
its not propaganda if it doesnt come from a political party ;)

besides, with all the (financial) interests the regular media have in the US, its nice to have someone say what noone wants him to say........... :P

[sArA]

Originally posted by Storm+24 June 2004 - 00:21--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Storm &#064; 24 June 2004 - 00:21)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Abe@23 June 2004 - 17:25
I never knew propaganda was popular.
its not propaganda if it doesnt come from a political party ;)

[/b][/quote]
Really....so commercial interests, religious groups, interest groups, individuals, etc, etc, have no interest in influencing public opinion????

:frusty:


I will however be very interested in what the film says.

[manker]

Originally posted by sara5564+24 June 2004 - 00:30--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sara5564 @ 24 June 2004 - 00:30)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Storm@24 June 2004 - 00:21
<!--QuoteBegin-Abe@23 June 2004 - 17:25
I never knew propaganda was popular.
its not propaganda if it doesnt come from a political party ;)


Really....so commercial interests, religious groups, interest groups, individuals, etc, etc, have no interest in influencing public opinion????

:frusty:


I will however be very interested in what the film says. [/b][/quote]
very true sara.

hey, before the big delete didn&#39;t we used to have a really long thread on this movie where lots of right wing people made a lot of grammatical errors?

such a shame to lose that valuable insight to the folk of bushtown :rolleyes:

[ahctlucabbuS]

Do you even have to ask?

Bowling for columbine blew me away B)

"I call upon all nations to do everything they can to stop these terrorist killers.... Now watch this drive." :lol:

[sArA]

Originally posted by manker+24 June 2004 - 00:43--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (manker @ 24 June 2004 - 00:43)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by sara5564@24 June 2004 - 00:30

Originally posted by Storm@24 June 2004 - 00:21
<!--QuoteBegin-Abe@23 June 2004 - 17:25
I never knew propaganda was popular.
its not propaganda if it doesnt come from a political party ;)


Really....so commercial interests, religious groups, interest groups, individuals, etc, etc, have no interest in influencing public opinion????

:frusty:


I will however be very interested in what the film says.
very true sara.

hey, before the big delete didn&#39;t we used to have a really long thread on this movie where lots of right wing people made a lot of grammatical errors?

such a shame to lose that valuable insight to the folk of bushtown :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
Ahhhh before the big delete.....



Sounds like....before the great flood.....


or



before the meteor strike&#33;


:lol: :lol: :lol:



We old timers will look back on the past months events with nostalgia and clique mentatlity no doubt....

I was not here for the ketchup wars....but I was here for the big delete&#33; :lol:

[cpt_azad]

"I call upon all nations to do everything they can to stop these terrorist killers.... Now watch this drive." lol, typical bush :lol: the trailer looked awesome btw,

[Haz]

Yeah I&#39;ll go see it, it&#39;s only playing in select cities in my neck of the woods though, so that&#39;s a pain. But yeah, as good as the last one was I&#39;ll definately be interested in it, read that it got a 15 minute standing ovation at cannes :blink: longest in history. So gotta see what the buzz is about.

[cpt_azad]

15 minute standing ovation :blink: care to elaborate (links?) :blink:

[Haz]

Originally posted by cpt_azad@24 June 2004 - 01:51

15 minute standing ovation :blink: care to elaborate (links?) :blink:

USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2004-05-20-cannes-moore_x.htm)
HollyWood Reporter (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000512340)
BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/3725373.stm)

Oh, it says 15-20 minutes.....damn :blink:

[blitz]

Meh, I don&#39;t see a difference between this movie and every person that criticizes George Bush. :smilie4:

[manker]

Originally posted by blitz81388@24 June 2004 - 08:46
Meh, I don&#39;t see a difference between this movie and every person that criticizes George Bush. :smilie4:
in laymans terms:

when 99.999% of people, such as those that frequent this forum, criticise GWB it&#39;s either in the spoken or written word.

this time it&#39;s a movie, with pictures and everything :o

do you see a difference yet?

[puk:))]

i ranted far too much on the last thread of this to start again ;)

(shame we lost 10 pages of it :( )

all i will say is it looks very interesting & im going to seeing it & hopefully so will alot of americans.....its just a shame most americans will put it down to moore hating the states instead of looking at the facts due to the patriotic brainwashing they receive from birth.

[ahctlucabbuS]

(shame we lost 10 pages of it&nbsp; )


Damn.. Didn&#39;t even notice :frusty:

[blitz]

Originally posted by puk:))@24 June 2004 - 13:28
i ranted far too much on the last thread of this to start again ;)

(shame we lost 10 pages of it :( )

all i will say is it looks very interesting & im going to seeing it & hopefully so will alot of americans.....its just a shame most americans will put it down to moore hating the states instead of looking at the facts due to the patriotic brainwashing they receive from birth.
Hey don&#39;t get me wrong, I don&#39;t like Bush either, but I don&#39;t know if I really want to see this.....will it teach me something that I don&#39;t already know?

[ahctlucabbuS]

Originally posted by blitz81388+25 June 2004 - 02:49--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (blitz81388 @ 25 June 2004 - 02:49)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-puk:))@24 June 2004 - 13:28
i ranted far too much on the last thread of this to start again ;)

(shame we lost 10 pages of it :( )

all i will say is it looks very interesting & im going to seeing it & hopefully so will alot of americans.....its just a shame most americans will put it down to moore hating the states instead of looking at the facts due to the patriotic brainwashing they receive from birth.
Hey don&#39;t get me wrong, I don&#39;t like Bush either, but I don&#39;t know if I really want to see this.....will it teach me something that I don&#39;t already know? [/b][/quote]
It will probably work mostly as a reminder of the shit he has done, while beeing entertaining at the same time :D

[ice_princess]

can&#39;t wait to see it - although it will only be released in july here.
i doubt it will give any new information but it will entertainingly demonstrate mr. bush & co&#39;s efforts so far :lol:

[G2k1boy]

now im off to the movies, im sure we can all talk about the movie later tonight :beerchug:

[LurkaLOT]

Hi

Anyone been able to find a verified hash for Fahrenheit 9/11 ?

For us poor non-usa citizens :)

Thanks

[Wallace_Askew]

I watched it....it was great....an every one of those facts can be backed up.


BTW Did anyone know that Bush an Kerry are cousins?

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4286105/

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/04/...ain604163.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/04/politics/main604163.shtml)

[Smith]

damn, couldnt c it, it wasnt playing in the famous were i live.

[Haz]

Saw it today, honestly thought Bowling for Columbine was a little better but this is still a good movie, and see it in the theaters if you can so you can get the full effect of the opening of the film, where it&#39;s just a black screen, can&#39;t see anything, and alls you hear is the sound of the planes crashing into the towers, the people screaming, the collapses, that was incredible.

Anybody else who saw it think it was strange they didn&#39;t show one shot, not even a still frame of 9/11? Still, a good film.

[icantwin]

is there a bit torrent for this at all? i want to see it and its not playing anywhere near me.

[blitz]

Originally posted by Wallace_Askew@26 June 2004 - 22:09
I watched it....it was great....an every one of those facts can be backed up.


BTW Did anyone know that Bush an Kerry are cousins?

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4286105/

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/04/...ain604163.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/04/politics/main604163.shtml)
16th cousins? Meh, might as well not even call them cousins....

[Arm]

Originally posted by blitz81388@24 June 2004 - 20:49
Hey don&#39;t get me wrong, I don&#39;t like Bush either, but I don&#39;t know if I really want to see this.....will it teach me something that I don&#39;t already know?
It will teach you that Bush is a fucking retard. But if you already know that it will teach you that the Bin Ladens and the Bushes were good friends for one thing. :blink:

[ahctlucabbuS]

Originally posted by Arm+27 June 2004 - 19:37--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Arm @ 27 June 2004 - 19:37)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-blitz81388@24 June 2004 - 20:49
Hey don&#39;t get me wrong, I don&#39;t like Bush either, but I don&#39;t know if I really want to see this.....will it teach me something that I don&#39;t already know?
It will teach you that Bush is a fucking retard. But if you already know that it will teach you that the Bin Ladens and the Bushes were good friends for one thing. :blink: [/b][/quote]
Yea it will. Though the fucking retard Osama is totally outcast in Bin ladens family, so if thats true you got to admit Moore is reaching. Who knows though, some members of the family may still have bonds with Osama... But that is reaching as well....

Anyhow two retards none the less:

http://www.onlineathens.com/images/090903/osama.jpg

http://www.sun-inet.or.jp/~mlbddf/bush.jpg

[Haz]

They kinda disproved that Osama being an outcast bullshit when he was at a family wedding, (think it was a wedding) not very long before 9/11.

And you&#39;ll learn a few interesting, unknown things about Bush disappearing during his National Guard days. But mostly everything else we already know, Moore just kind of pieces it together so you get the full picture.

[cpt_azad]

4 those who&#39;ve seen it, can u tell me wat kind of footage he shows involving iraq? i&#39;m particularly interseted to know whether he put in combat footage and POV&#39;s of soldiers against the wars or anything, mainly interested in the footage that was (will) never shown in the media (ie, combat, injured soldiers, torture, harrasment of iraqi&#39;s, etc.) pls tell me1|&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; B)

[mogadishu]

Originally posted by cpt_azad@27 June 2004 - 21:09
4 those who&#39;ve seen it, can u tell me wat kind of footage he shows involving iraq? i&#39;m particularly interseted to know whether he put in combat footage and POV&#39;s of soldiers against the wars or anything, mainly interested in the footage that was (will) never shown in the media (ie, combat, injured soldiers, torture, harrasment of iraqi&#39;s, etc.) pls tell me1|&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; B)
he uses very graphic video of both americans and iraqi civilians. Piles of dead iraqis. As for the prison abuse, he briefly shows some soliders poking at a dead iraqi and touching his genitals. You need to see the movie. Fantastic movie.

[junkyardking]

Theres a cam out now from POT.

Heres some pics from the sample.

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Cant tell what the audio is like as i havent got a sound card, picture is dark around the edges and the picture is generally bit grainy...

[mogadishu]

Originally posted by junkyardking@28 June 2004 - 04:08
Theres a cam out now from POT.

Heres some pics from the sample.

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Cant tell what the audio is like as i havent got a sound card, picture is dark around the edges and the picture is generally bit grainy...
dude, shell out the 10 bucks and just go see it. It is so important that the movie makes money. Download white chicks and 50 other movies, but pay the money to see this. Certain parts are very moving and it pays to see it on the big screen.

[cpt_azad]

Originally posted by mogadishu+28 June 2004 - 01:18--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mogadishu @ 28 June 2004 - 01:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-junkyardking@28 June 2004 - 04:08
Theres a cam out now from POT.

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Cant tell what the audio is like as i havent got a sound card, picture is dark around the edges and the picture is generally bit grainy...
dude, shell out the 10 bucks and just go see it. It is so important that the movie makes money. Download white chicks and 50 other movies, but pay the money to see this. Certain parts are very moving and it pays to see it on the big screen. [/b][/quote]
i agree, just watched it, i think it&#39;s masterpiece :D , seriously though, really good movie worth the money,

[hookem78741]

I thought I would find something that I already didn&#39;t know about in this film but I was very disappointed. It&#39;s just a bunch of clips with Moore expressing his feelings as a narrative. No logical thought process is displayed and the way he presents his so called "facts" is sketchy at best. For example, when he goes into the area of how the white house allowed Bin Ladens family and other Saudi&#39;s to fly within the country he does not elaborate on the fact that they were not allowed to leave the country until after Sept. 13 when commercial flights had resumed. Before that they were transported w/in the country. Also he makes it seem that Bush gave permission for this to happen when in fact this never happened. Read this http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports....E20040601a.html (http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=%5C%5CSpecialReports%5C%5Carchive%5C%5C200406%5C%5CSPE20040601a.html)

And about Karzai, of course the U.S. is going to put someone friendly to U.S. interests in power&#33; It&#39;s just common sense&#33; Overall this movie was good for entertainment value but thats it. If you believe anything that Moore says without checking the other side you&#39;re just braindead. For those who liked Bowling for Columbine make sure that you check out bowlingfortruth.com to find the truth.

[BigBank_Hank]

Originally posted by hookem78741@30 June 2004 - 00:02
For example, when he goes into the area of how the white house allowed Bin Ladens family and other Saudi&#39;s to fly within the country he does not elaborate on the fact that they were not allowed to leave the country until after Sept. 13 when commercial flights had resumed.&nbsp; Before that they were transported w/in the country.&nbsp; Also he makes it seem that Bush gave permission for this to happen when in fact this never happened.
It also fails to mention that everyone on that flight had to be screened by the CIA to make sure that they weren’t security risk. But who’s keeping track anyway?

BTW if you want to read just how much of a piece of garbage this movie really is look at this (http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=116379&st=0&#entry1058125) topic in World News & Events. Its quite a lengthy read but its well worth the time.

[muchspl2]

if you haveWinamp

Ctrl-L in in winamp and paste

http://69.56.201.234:15851/;stream.nsv

If it&#39;s full, push play and keep on repeat

[zapjb]

This film has so many new truths. Go see it.

I was sitting next to one lame republican couple. The wife kept on saying to hubby is that true over & over. Then the hubby says let&#39;s go to the wife less than 1/2 way through. Lamers. :lol:

The film got wild applause afterwards. :01:

[Prodigy Girl]

I&#39;d consider seeing Fahrenheit 9-11 in the theater if it wasn&#39;t playing so far away from the hood. :angry:

But I guess it doesn&#39;t matter much-- hanging around a huge group of people would probably scare me. :unsure:



Ah well, maybe I&#39;ll download it later... ;)

[cpt_azad]

Originally posted by muchspl2@29 June 2004 - 21:26
if you haveWinamp

Ctrl-L in in winamp and paste

http://69.56.201.234:15851/;stream.nsv

If it&#39;s full, push play and keep on repeat
[ICY 401 Service Unavailable] stream.nsv <---same thing as full :blink: ? btw, is it wat i think it is, :D

[E-squirrel]

Everyone of his facts can be backed up. You&#39;re kidding right?

Bush a retard? I didn&#39;t know Retards graduated from Yale. He must have the same (most likely more) knowledge as you&#33;

Why is Bush a retard. Bring it on liberal.

[lee551]

i think politicians&#39; children get into ivy-league schools fairly easy. <_<

[java.util.Tokarev;]

Originally posted by E&#045;squirrel@1 July 2004 - 04:43
Everyone of his facts can be backed up. You&#39;re kidding right?

Bush a retard? I didn&#39;t know Retards graduated from Yale. He must have the same (most likely more) knowledge as you&#33;

Why is Bush a retard. Bring it on liberal.
george bush and his dad had the lowest iq&#39;s of any u.s presidents ever...geroge&#39;s is also
lower than his dads. i think it is in the 90&#39;s or somthing close.


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[cpt_azad]

Originally posted by Haz@26 June 2004 - 17:45
Saw it today, honestly thought Bowling for Columbine was a little better but this is still a good movie, and see it in the theaters if you can so you can get the full effect of the opening of the film, where it&#39;s just a black screen, can&#39;t see anything, and alls you hear is the sound of the planes crashing into the towers, the people screaming, the collapses, that was incredible.

Anybody else who saw it think it was strange they didn&#39;t show one shot, not even a still frame of 9/11? Still, a good film.
i went and saw it in the colussus famous players in langley (for those living in canada, or in the vancouver area, u know wat i&#39;m talking about), i sat about 4 rows away from the screen (or was it the 4th row?) anyways, that particular part wit just the sound, INCREDIBLE. it really made me feel it, especially when u hear the planes crash, i almost shit myself because the subwoofers kicked in so hard, and especially in colussus, the ground shook so hard it made my heart skip a beat. this movie is a must see, it really made me cry, especially when the show the destruction done in iraq (made it even more sadder when they showed the clips of iraq before the bombings started [march 2003]) . i do not blame the soldiers of america 4 the destruction in iraq, they were trained to do that, i blame the fucking republicans and democrats for actually going along and doing something like this, the war in iraq is a much much much much (mark my words) much worst of an atrocity and tragedy then 9/11 will ever be. fucking bush.

[E-squirrel]

Wow java, I&#39;m glad you answered my question. Why is Bush a retard. Why is he a liar and why is he stupid? Give me reasons why you think this way and I will shut every one of them down because you are so ignorant and can&#39;t use factual information to back up your claims.

[E-squirrel]

Yeah azad, liberating 50 million people and capturing a murderous dictator who murdered millions of people and committed tons of crimes against humanity is much worse than 9/11. Knowing that Michael Moore is the producer of this movie, he uses all negative footage of Bush and makes it seem like it&#39;s unbearable over there and the troop morale is low etc etc. War has been historically proven to be violent, but you need to try to look past this movie, it&#39;s not a good reference.
Fahrenheit 9/11 - Michael Moore > Moore than 700 lbs > and Moore BULLSHIT&#33;

[lee551]

what was that reason we went to war again?? damn, i had it here....hmm, thinking.... oh yeah&#33; weapons of mass destruction. that just kinda got conveniently pushed away once we found out there werent any. that was 95% of the reason they kept telling us we&#39;re going to war. they have bombs&#33; they have bombs&#33; they have mobile chemical labs&#33; well here we are years later and we still haven&#39;t found shit. :lol:

[java.util.Tokarev;]

Originally posted by E&#045;squirrel@1 July 2004 - 22:08
Wow java, I&#39;m glad you answered my question. Why is Bush a retard. Why is he a liar and why is he stupid? Give me reasons why you think this way and I will shut every one of them down because you are so ignorant and can&#39;t use factual information to back up your claims.
well, why dont you give some reasons why he is not....

[E-squirrel]

Actually if your small ignorant brain could expand beyond the size of a raisin, we did find weapons. Sarin Nerve agent and Mustard Gas. We&#39;re not the only ones who thought they had weapons, retard. France, Russia and Germany believed they had weapons as well but they didn&#39;t want to get rid of a fucker who violated numerous UN resolutions and used weapons on his own people. These weapons could have been shipped to Syria, could have been destroyed before the war. A weapon of mass destruction could fit in your hand, I think it would be pretty difficult to find it in an entire country.

Even if there weren&#39;t any weapons like you&#39;re suggesting, you&#39;re still trying to be a rebel and you&#39;re thinking so closed minded that as long as you can go against something of the administration you will. Because that&#39;s how the liberal media has trained you.

Do I even need to tell you what Saddam did to his own people and to neighboring countries? Doesn&#39;t that alone justify this invasion? If Bush would have made that his primary reason for this war YOU STILL would have gone against it because you&#39;re a liberal. It doesn&#39;t fucking matter what the primary reason for this war would have been, you still would have gone against it, so to suggest that the war is not justified because of ONE reason without thinking, is rediculous.

[E-squirrel]

Don&#39;t ignore my question Java. I asked you tell me in your oppinion why Bush is a "retard" or a "liar".

Another strategy in the liberal playbook, don&#39;t answer the question, try to avoid it and bring up something else.

[cpt_azad]

Originally posted by E&#045;squirrel@1 July 2004 - 14:20
Yeah azad, liberating 50 million people and capturing a murderous dictator who murdered millions of people and committed tons of crimes against humanity is much worse than 9/11. Knowing that Michael Moore is the producer of this movie, he uses all negative footage of Bush and makes it seem like it&#39;s unbearable over there and the troop morale is low etc etc. War has been historically proven to be violent, but you need to try to look past this movie, it&#39;s not a good reference.
Fahrenheit 9/11 - Michael Moore > Moore than 700 lbs > and Moore BULLSHIT&#33;
ignorance is bliss i guess 4 ppl like u. thousands of civillians dead (and not just from the war rite now, i&#39;m talking altogether since 1992 wit the continueious bombing since then and the sanctions and wat not), and for wat? oil? a "murderious dictator"? "50 million liberated"? wow, for a person that just gets spoon fed wit western media bullshit u sure do know a lot. maybe thats y ppl in iraq are terrified of americans, their so called liberators, maybe that&#39;s y an american soldier dies everyday. geez, i expected from ppl nowadays. WMD&#39;s? dear god no&#33; oil? not a chance? murderous dictator? please&#33; k, maybe the oil, but that&#39;s not the main reason. u guys will believe anything bush says along wit the media :rolleyes: typical. american companies rushing in to "rebuild iraq" that cost 10 times more than wat iraqi companies could have done the same thing. god help us all, and i mean that, my heart goes out to every iraqi citizen and american soldier, death to bush and his posse.


P.S. smartass, murderous dictator=weapons supplied by america and other nations :) so if he really was a murderous guy, y supply him in the first place, lmao

[E-squirrel]

Yeah, you&#39;re def a retarded liberal. No doubt about it. Not even worth my time.

[cpt_azad]

Originally posted by E&#045;squirrel@1 July 2004 - 17:50
Yeah, you&#39;re def a retarded liberal. No doubt about it. Not even worth my time.
i don&#39;t trust dems or repubs. definately not a liberal, like i said, ignorance 4 some is bliss thus the ignorance, u just make it 20 times easier to point that out so THANK YOU :)

[E-squirrel]

Ignorance? You&#39;re an idiot.

[blitz]

Squirrel, apparently you are a George Bush supporter. Instead of wasting your time in here trying to change people&#39;s minds about Bush, why don&#39;t you preach your shit in your community? Maybe people would take you seriously, because everyone in THIS thread certainly thinks you are a dumb ass.

[E-squirrel]

Yeah it&#39;s a waste of my time. That&#39;s why I stopped. And not everyone in this forum thinks I&#39;m a dumbass, just a few people that have posted many times which makes it seem like there&#39;s a lot.

[blitz]

Originally posted by E&#045;squirrel@2 July 2004 - 02:56
Yeah it&#39;s a waste of my time. That&#39;s why I stopped. And not everyone in this forum thinks I&#39;m a dumbass, just a few people that have posted many times which makes it seem like there&#39;s a lot.
lol, this is true.

[lee551]

i&#39;m not a liberal by any means. dont you think they could have taken saddam out without all this mess? i know the u.s. is trying to look all great by being the country regulating this shit, but honestly, we rushed into it so bad its just a big mess now. i agree that saddam was a horrible, cruel, inhumane, dictator and that he should have been removed asap, but there were many diplomatic means that could have been followed instead of going to war with a country and causing civilian casualties and pissing iraqis off with too many mistakes.

list of news articles talking about how iraq has no WMD (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=no+weapons+of+mass+destruction&spell=1)

[E-squirrel]

http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include...&storyid=670123 (http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=detail&storyid=670123)

http://www.blogsforbush.com/mt/archives/001036.html
^I know it&#39;s a bush cheney site but it&#39;s not written by them, just quoted^

Weapons found - More to come?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html

[lee551]

Originally posted by E&#045;squirrel@2 July 2004 - 14:59
http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include...&storyid=670123 (http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=detail&storyid=670123)

http://www.blogsforbush.com/mt/archives/001036.html
^I know it&#39;s a bush cheney site but it&#39;s not written by them, just quoted^

Weapons found - More to come?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html
first article is all speculation. second talks of traces of chemicals, ag & commercial chemicals, and more speculation about arms production. third article talks about a roadside bomb containing mustard gas and then they went on to say "it would be the first finding of a banned weapon upon which the United States based its case for war." mm, an entire war for one banned weapon. :blink: cool.


anyways, we could sling articles back and forth all day and no one would really care, so i&#39;ll just end this by saying: Iraq was one big fucking mistake.

[blitz]

Originally posted by lee551+2 July 2004 - 17:50--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lee551 @ 2 July 2004 - 17:50)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-E&#045;squirrel@2 July 2004 - 14:59
http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include...&storyid=670123 (http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=detail&storyid=670123)

http://www.blogsforbush.com/mt/archives/001036.html
^I know it&#39;s a bush cheney site but it&#39;s not written by them, just quoted^

Weapons found - More to come?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html
first article is all speculation. second talks of traces of chemicals, ag & commercial chemicals, and more speculation about arms production. third article talks about a roadside bomb containing mustard gas and then they went on to say "it would be the first finding of a banned weapon upon which the United States based its case for war." mm, an entire war for one banned weapon. :blink: cool.


anyways, we could sling articles back and forth all day and no one would really care, so i&#39;ll just end this by saying: Iraq was one big fucking mistake. [/b][/quote]
I couldn&#39;t agree with you more.

[lee551]

got this in my e-mail today. its from michael moore&#39;s mailing list. i thought it was pretty interesting to read (they usually are). it lists some astonishing facts about the movie&#39;s opening etc.. so read on&#33;



July 4th, 2004




Friends,

Where do I begin? This past week has knocked me for a loop. "Fahrenheit 9/11," the #1 movie in the country, the largest grossing documentary ever. My head is spinning. Didn&#39;t we just lose our distributor 8 weeks ago? Did Karl Rove really fail to stop this? Is Bush packing?

Each day this week I was given a new piece of information from the press that covers Hollywood, and I barely had time to recover from the last tidbit before the next one smacked me upside the head:



** More people saw "Fahrenheit 9/11" in one weekend than all the people who saw "Bowling for Columbine" in 9 months.

** "Fahrenheit 9/11" broke "Rocky III’s" record for the biggest box office opening weekend ever for any film that opened in less than a thousand theaters.

** "Fahrenheit 9/11" beat the opening weekend of "Return of the Jedi."

** "Fahrenheit 9/11" instantly went to #2 on the all-time list for largest per-theater average ever for a film that opened in wide-release.

How can I ever thank all of you who went to see it? These records are mind-blowing. They have sent shock waves through Hollywood – and, more importantly, through the White House.

But it didn&#39;t just stop there. The response to the movie then went into the Twilight Zone. Surfing through the dial I landed on the Fox broadcasting network which was airing the NASCAR race live last Sunday to an audience of millions of Americans -- and suddenly the announcers were talking about how NASCAR champ Dale Earnhardt, Jr. took his crew to see “Fahrenheit 9/11” the night before. FOX sportscaster Chris Myers delivered Earnhardt’s review straight out of his mouth and into the heartland of America: “He said hey, it&#39;ll be a good bonding experience no matter what your political belief. It&#39;s a good thing as an American to go see.”&nbsp; Whoa&#33; NASCAR fans – you can’t go deeper into George Bush territory than that&#33; White House moving vans – START YOUR ENGINES&#33;


Then there was Roger Friedman from the Fox News Channel giving our film an absolutely glowing review, calling it “a really brilliant piece of work, and a film that members of all political parties should see without fail.” Richard Goldstein of the Village Voice surmised that Bush is already considered a goner so Rupert Murdoch might be starting to curry favor with the new administration. I don&#39;t know about that, but I’ve never heard a decent word toward me from Fox. So, after I was revived, I wondered if a love note to me from Sean Hannity was next.



How about Letterman’s Top Ten List: “Top Ten George W. Bush Complaints About "Fahrenheit 9/11":



10. That actor who played the President was totally unconvincing



9. It oversimplified the way I stole the election



8. Too many of them fancy college-boy words



7. If Michael Moore had waited a few months, he could have included the part where I get him deported



6. Didn&#39;t have one of them hilarious monkeys who smoke cigarettes and gives people the finger



5. Of all Michael Moore&#39;s accusations, only 97% are true



4. Not sure - - I passed out after a piece of popcorn lodged in my windpipe



3. Where the hell was Spider-man?



2. Couldn&#39;t hear most of the movie over Cheney&#39;s foul mouth



1. I thought this was supposed to be about dodgeball

But it was the reactions and reports we received from theaters around the country that really sent me over the edge. One theatre manager after another phoned in to say that the movie was getting standing ovations as the credits rolled – in places like Greensboro, NC and Oklahoma City -- and that they were having a hard time clearing the theater afterwards because people were either too stunned or they wanted to sit and talk to their neighbors about what they had just seen. In Trumbull, CT, one woman got up on her seat after the movie and shouted "Let&#39;s go have a meeting&#33;" A man in San Francisco took his shoe off and threw it at the screen when Bush appeared at the end. Ladies’ church groups in Tulsa were going to see it, and weeping afterwards.

It was this last group that gave lie to all the yakking pundits who, before the movie opened, declared that only the hard-core "choir" would go to see "Fahrenheit 9/11." They couldn&#39;t have been more wrong. Theaters in the Deep South and the Midwest set house records for any film they’d ever shown. Yes, it even sold out in Peoria. And Lubbock, Texas. And Anchorage, Alaska&#33;

Newspaper after newspaper wrote stories in tones of breathless disbelief about people who called themselves “Independents” and “Republicans” walking out of the movie theater shaken and in tears, proclaiming that they could not, in good conscience, vote for George W. Bush. The New York Times wrote of a conservative Republican woman in her 20s in Pensacola, Florida who cried through the film, and told the reporter: “It really makes me question what I feel about the president... it makes me question his motives…”



Newsday reported on a self-described “ardent Bush/Cheney supporter” who went to see the film on Long Island, and his quiet reaction afterwards. He said, "It&#39;s really given me pause to think about what&#39;s really going on. There was just too much - too much to discount." The man then bought three more tickets for another showing of the film.



The Los Angeles Times found a mother who had “supported [Bush] fiercely” at a theater in Des Peres, Missouri: “Emerging from Michael Moore&#39;s ‘Fahrenheit 9/11,’ her eyes wet, Leslie Hanser said she at last understood…. ‘My emotions are just....’ She trailed off, waving her hands to show confusion. ‘I feel like we haven&#39;t seen the whole truth before.’"

All of this had to be the absolute worst news for the White House to wake up to on Monday morning. I guess they were in such a stupor, they "gave" Iraq back to, um, Iraq two days early&#33;

News editors told us that they were being "bombarded" with e-mails and calls from the White House (read: Karl Rove), trying to spin their way out of this mess by attacking it and attacking me. Bush spokesman Dan Bartlett had told the White House press corps that the movie was "outrageously false" -- even though he said he hadn&#39;t seen the movie. He later told CNN that "This is a film that doesn&#39;t require us to actually view it to know that it&#39;s filled with factual inaccuracies." At least they&#39;re consistent. They never needed to see a single weapon of mass destruction before sending our kids off to die.

Many news shows were more than eager to buy the White House spin.&nbsp; After all, that is a big part of what "Fahrenheit" is about -- how the lazy, compliant media bought all the lies from the Bush administration about the need to invade Iraq. They took the Kool-Aid offered by the White House and rarely, if ever, did our media ask the hard questions that needed to be asked before the war started.

Because the movie "outs" the mainstream media for their failures and their complicity with the Bush administration -- who can ever forget their incessant, embarrassing cheerleading as the troops went off to war, as though it was all just a game -- the media was not about to let me get away with anything now resembling a cultural phenomenon. On show after show, they went after me with the kind of viciousness you would have hoped they had had for those who were lying about the necessity for invading a sovereign nation that was no threat to us. I don&#39;t blame our well-paid celebrity journalists -- they look like a bunch of ass-kissing dopes in my movie, and I guess I&#39;d be pretty mad at me, too. After all, once the NASCAR fans see "Fahrenheit 9/11," will they ever believe a single thing they see on ABC/NBC/CBS news again?

In the next week or so, I will recount my adventures through the media this past month (I will also be posting a full FAQ on my website soon so that you can have all the necessary backup and evidence from the film when you find yourself in heated debate with your conservative brother-in-law&#33;). For now, please know the following: Every single fact I state in "Fahrenheit 9/11" is the absolute and irrefutable truth. This movie is perhaps the most thoroughly researched and vetted documentary of our time. No fewer than a dozen people, including three teams of lawyers and the venerable one-time fact-checkers from The New Yorker went through this movie with a fine-tooth comb so that we can make this guarantee to you. Do not let anyone say this or that isn&#39;t true. If they say that, they are lying. Let them know that the OPINIONS in the film are mine, and anyone certainly has a right to disagree with them. And the questions I pose in the movie, based on these irrefutable facts, are also mine. And I have a right to ask them. And I will continue to ask them until they are answered.

In closing, let me say that the most heartening response to the film has come from our soldiers and their families. Theaters in military towns across the country reported packed houses. Our troops know the truth. They have seen it first-hand. And many of them could not believe that here was a movie that was TRULY on their side -- the side of bringing them home alive and never sending them into harms way again unless it&#39;s the absolute last resort. Please take a moment to read this wonderful story from the daily paper in Fayetteville, NC, where Fort Bragg is located. It broke my heart to read this, the reactions of military families and the comments of an infantryman’s wife publicly backing my movie -- and it gave me the resolve to make sure as many Americans as possible see this film in the coming weeks.

Thank you again, all of you, for your support. Together we did something for the history books. My apologies to "Return of the Jedi." We&#39;ll make it up by producing "Return of the Texan to Crawford" in November.

May the farce be with you, but not for long,

Michael Moore
www.michaelmoore.com
[email protected]



P.S. You can read letters from people around the country recounting their own experiences at the theater, and their reactions to the film by going here.



P.P.S. Also, I’m going to start blogging&#33; Tonight&#33; Come on over and check it out.

[Hexen4]

** More people saw "Fahrenheit 9/11" in one weekend than all the people who saw "Bowling for Columbine" in 9 months.

** "Fahrenheit 9/11" broke "Rocky III’s" record for the biggest box office opening weekend ever for any film that opened in less than a thousand theaters.

** "Fahrenheit 9/11" beat the opening weekend of "Return of the Jedi."

** "Fahrenheit 9/11" instantly went to #2 on the all-time list for largest per-theater average ever for a film that opened in wide-release.

:D yay for the truth&#33;

[Hexen4]

I have found it. Proof that there is now no reason to dislike Michael Moore.

Moore says OK to pirate his movie (http://www.sundayherald.com/43167)

Now, i really don;t know why you all hate this man so much, he&#39;s on our side&#33; B)

[cpt_azad]

Originally posted by Hexen4@4 July 2004 - 19:20
I have found it.&nbsp; Proof that there is now no reason to dislike Michael Moore.

Moore says OK to pirate his movie (http://www.sundayherald.com/43167)

Now, i really don;t know why you all hate this man so much, he&#39;s on our side&#33; B)
holy shit&#33;, all hail moore lol, jp, but that&#39;s dope, he really made a bold move by doing that good job mikey ;) B)&#092;


KISS MY ASS MPAA :angry: :lol:

[Rip The Jacker]

Originally posted by E&#045;squirrel@1 July 2004 - 17:26
Don&#39;t ignore my question Java. I asked you tell me in your oppinion why Bush is a "retard" or a "liar".
On September 4, 1976, a state trooper saw Bush&#39;s car swerve onto the shoulder, then back onto the road. Bush failed a road sobriety test and blew a .10 blood alcohol, plead guilty, and was fined and had his driver&#39;s license suspended. His spokesman says that he had drunk "several beers" at a local bar before the arrest. Bush was 30 at the time. He now says that he stopped drinking when he turned 40 because it was a problem.

More troubling, Bush lied in denying such an arrest, and still won&#39;t take responsibility for his actions. His first reaction was to blame Democrats and Fox News -- the only openly conservative TV network -- for reporting the story. "Why [was this reported] now, four days before the election? I&#39;ve got my suspicions." He refused to say what his suspicions are, though. Bush admits covering up the story, but seems to think he has no responsibility for the failure of his cover up.

In fact, just like Clinton with Monica Lewinsky, Bush has brazenly and repeatedly lied to cover up and minimize this arrest.

-------------------------

1. Bush Lied at his Press Conference, 11/3/2000
Bush said he paid a fine on the spot and never went to court. That was a lie. In fact, it was a man also in court for DUI the same day who revealed Bush&#39; arrest. Here is exactly what Bush said in his press conference:
Bush: "I told the guy I had been drinking and what do I need to do? And he said, "Here&#39;s the fine." I paid the fine and did my duty...."
Reporter: "Governor, was there any legal proceeding of any kind? Or did you just -- "
Bush: "No. I pled -- you know, I said I was wrong and I ..."
Reporter: "In court? "
Bush: No, there was no court. I went to the police station. I said, "I&#39;m wrong."

2. Bush Lied in Court, 1978
Bush got a court hearing to get his driving suspension lifted early, even though he had not completed a required driver rehabilitation course. He told the hearings officer that he drank only once a month, and just had "an occasional beer." The officer granted his request. But Bush continued drinking for 8 years after that date and has said publicly that he drank too much and had a drinking problem during that time. Presumably Bush was under oath during the hearing, though we haven&#39;t been able to pin down that detail. The Bush campaign refuses to comment on this contradiction.

3. Bush Lied To "The Dallas Morning News", 1998
"Just after the governor&#39;s reelection in 1998, [Dallas Morning News reporter Wayne] Slater pressed Bush about whether he had ever been arrested. &#39;He said, &#39;After 1968? No.&#39;" Dallas Morning News, 11/03/2000

[b]4. Bush Lied On &#39;Meet The Press&#39;, 11/21/99
"Bush has often acknowledged past mistakes, but CBS News Correspondent Lee Cowan reports that in a 1999 interview with CBS station WBZ in Boston, he denied there was any so-called smoking gun."

Bush also evaded countless questions and gave Clintonesque half-truths. For example, while struggling with how to answer charges of drug abuse, he said that he would have been able to pass FBI background checks during his father&#39;s administration. But those checks include the question "Have you ever been arrested for any crime?" So either he was directly lying, or he has some Slick explanation like "I could have explained the circumstances of the arrest and still passed the FBI check."

In another evasion, Bush decided to serve jury duty in 1996, during his first year as governor. On his questionairre, he simply left blank the questions about prior arrests and trials. Then he found himself on a trial for drunk driving, where every juror is eventually asked about prior convictions for drunk driving. The night before the trial, Bush&#39;s lawyer asked the defense attorney to dismiss him, because "it would be improper for a governor to sit on a criminal case in which he could later be asked to grant clemency." It&#39;s a silly argument, because that problem exists with any criminal trial and Bush had already decided to serve on a jury, but the defense attorney obliged and excused him before direct questioning of jurors began.

Bush now justifies covering up his arrest "to be a good role model for his daughters." How does he figure that? Lying to cover up your crimes is not what I call being a good role model. Taking responsibility for your actions, admitting fault honestly and warning people of the consequences you suffered, THAT would be a good example. But Bush prefers the Clinton route of bald-faced lying, then blaming your enemies and the press when you get caught.

Bush is now the first person to be elected president after being convicted of a crime.

Bush had several other drunken incidents, as well. In December, 1972, Bush challenged his dad (the ex-president) to a fist fight, during an argument about Bush&#39;s drunk driving. He had taken his little brother out drinking, and ran over a neighbor&#39;s garbage cans on the way home. Bush&#39;s atypical public service job, working with inner city Houston kids, appears to have been an unofficial community service stint set up by Bush, Sr. Apparently the governor didn&#39;t learn his lesson, because his drunk driving conviction occured almost four years later.

In another incident, he started screaming obscenities at a Wall Street Journal reporter, just because that reporter predicted that Bush&#39;s father would not be the 1988 Republican nominee. The reporter obviously was wrong, but a drunken Bush Jr. walked up to him at a restaurant and started yelling "You fucking son of a bitch. I won&#39;t forget what you said and you&#39;re going to pay a price for it."

------------------------------

George Bush&#39;s Arrest Record (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushdui1.html)
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Bush&#39;s Driving License Suspension Record (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/doc_o_day/bushdmv1.shtml)
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Bush lied about his arrest, a reporter says (http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/03/lie/index.html)

[Rip The Jacker]

Originally posted by "Stupid White Men"
We do know, George, that you have been arrested three times. Other than some peace-activist friends of mine, I don&#39;t personally know anyone who has been arrested three times in their life. In addition to the drunk driving, you were arrested with some fraternity brothers for stealing a Christmas wreath as a prank. What was that all about?

Your third arrest was for disorderly conduct at a football game. Now this I really don&#39;t get. Everyone conducts themselves in a disorderly manner at a football game&#33; I&#39;ve been to many football games and have had many a beer spilled on my head, but to this day I&#39;ve never seen anyone arrested. You&#39;ve gotta work pretty hard to get noticed in a crowd of drunken football fans.
:blink: :lol: :lol: :blink:

[lee551]

Originally posted by Hexen4@5 July 2004 - 03:20
I have found it. Proof that there is now no reason to dislike Michael Moore.

Moore says OK to pirate his movie (http://www.sundayherald.com/43167)

Now, i really don;t know why you all hate this man so much, he&#39;s on our side&#33; B)
fuck yeah&#33; B) more directors need to do this&#33;

[camstuf]

Originally posted by blitz81388@2 July 2004 - 02:53
Squirrel, apparently you are a George Bush supporter. Instead of wasting your time in here trying to change people&#39;s minds about Bush, why don&#39;t you preach your shit in your community? Maybe people would take you seriously, because everyone in THIS thread certainly thinks you are a dumb ass.
@ Squirrel, where&#39;d you go?
dumb-ass

[Rip The Jacker]

@E-squirrel
You wanted to know just why George Bush was a liar, and I just told you why. Aren&#39;t you going to say something back? Anyone? Don&#39;t tell me all that ranting was for nothing. :lol:

[lee551]

maybe he got chased off :rolleyes:

[hobbes]

Haven&#39;t seen it.

[lee551]

Originally posted by hobbes@11 July 2004 - 03:23
Haven&#39;t seen it.
see it&#33; theres 2 copies on torrentbits.org ;)

[yonki]

Anyone knows where can i direct download the movie?