I Don't Get It , So Cheap But It Looks Powerfull

[Abe]

http://www.cybertronpc.com/Customkititems....&kc=PCESSX3000A (http://www.cybertronpc.com/Customkititems.asp?CartId={EE3C81EF-D76C-4D9A-9E3F-D0289077C900}&kc=PCESSX3000A)

How can it be so cheap with all the specs? I've been looking for a gaming pc and thought dell would do , but then saw this and thought , for this price it hast to be missing something. I can install XP for free btw , do gaming pc lack basic computing things? :huh:

[zapjb]

Doesn't come w/monitor, cheap under powered RAM, cheap mobo, cheap case & PSU, bad sound, cheap spkrs & etc.

All you got is a good CPU. Everything else is cheap under powered shit that will suck the life & capability of that good CPU.

[Abe]

So basically , If you want an good gaming pc for a good price , you do loads of research and build your own from scratch? ;)

[Tormentor]

Ya, unless you got tons of cash to blow you can always go alienware.

[Abe]

I always heard bad stuff about alianware. I think i'm just gona do research and build my own. I can't afford the best , I work at Mcdonals for 5.80 and hour 19 to 30 hours a week.Thanks for the tip , It looked to good for so little to be good , my bad.

[haha21]

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (good)
256MB PC2700 DDR Memory 333 MHZ (crap)
80 GB Serial ATA 150 / 7200RPM / 8 MB (good)
Combo 16XDVD / 48X24X48 CD-RW Black (crap)
Mitsumi 1.44 MB Floppy Drive Black (crap)
ATI 7500LE 128MB DDR Video (crap)
AC'97 Codec 3D Sound (mobo is crap)
56K V.92 Modem w/ Fax/Voice (crap)
10/100/1000 Gigabit Mbps Ethernet NIC (mobo is crap)
Enhanced Windows PS/2 Keyboard (crap)
3 Button Internet Scroll Mouse (crap)
Powered Stereo Speakers (crap)
ATX Medium Tower Chassis (crap)
300 Watt Power Supply (crap)
1 Year Warranty on Labor & Parts (crap)

[ffuuggssddss]

I built my PC with all my parts from newegg.com

AMD Athlon 64 3200+ (300)
ASROCK 754 Mobo...very nice mobo, im speechless with 5.1 audio 8 usb ports (80)
Geforce4 MX440 64mb....I'll upgrade this later (40)
Raidmax 868 black case with 420 watt PSU and fans (40)
msi dvd-rom (20)
sony floppy drive (10)
80 gig harddrive (60)
512mb kingston RAM 3200 400mhz (80)

TOTAL: around 650 bucks

Come on, u cant beat that deal :blink:
buying something like that will leave you money left over to get a sweet video card or dvd-rw drive

Or just go with a athlon xp 2500+ barton and overclock the shit out of it with a good mobo....if you do that your whole pc will be under 500 dollers with a VERY good video card

Remember people, build your own PCs.....it is cheeper

[tesco]

Video card is very very bad, how could they call that a gaming PC? :lol: It's worse than an mx440 :lol: :lol:

[ffuuggssddss]

Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004@27 June 2004 - 01:58
Video card is very very bad, how could they call that a gaming PC? :lol: It's worse than an mx440 :lol:  :lol:
Damn, the video card i got sucks so much balls.... always go for a 128 mb card at least

[ffuuggssddss]

Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004@27 June 2004 - 01:58
Video card is very very bad, how could they call that a gaming PC? :lol: It's worse than an mx440 :lol: :lol:
no way, my 128mb GeForce3 Ti200 outperforms my GeForce4....anything with 128mb can outbeat my geforce4....i think

[clocker]

Originally posted by Abe@26 June 2004 - 18:02
I always heard bad stuff about alianware.
What "bad stuff" have you heard and from whom did you hear it?

I'd buy one of the new dual video card models in a heartbeat.

[tesco]

Man, people are so dumb (no offence).
You all (not really all, but some) think that just having high video memory makes the card good...a radeon 9800xt wioth 64mb of ram, even 32mb or lower than that, would still EASILY outperform an mx440 with 128mb of ram. ;) It's the architecture of teh card, the speed of the GPU, that meks a video card good.

[Abe]

cool , just 2 more questions . Which is better for gaming ,intel? or AMD?

and which graphics card is better , ATI or Gefore (Nividia?). :blink:

[Spicker]

Originally posted by Abe@27 June 2004 - 06:17
cool , just 2 more questions . Which is better for gaming ,intel? or AMD?

and which graphics card is better , ATI or Gefore (Nividia?). :blink:
if u hav the money then... Intel... and if u want to save money AMD :)

id recommend amd sinse u work at MCDonalds ;)

[blitz]

AMD with an ATI card is the way to go :01:

[Abe]

How does this look?

Motherboard and processor - Asus K8V Deluxe Socket 64 Motherboard ,
AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Processor with Free Copy of Far Cry DVD $355

Video card - XFX GeForce FX 5200 $50 (after rebate)

Hard drive - Western Digital Caviar 80GB $80
/ 7200 / 8MB / ATA-100 EIDE Hard Drive

Memory - Ultra 512MB PC3200 DDR $70 400MHz
cd - Norcent CD Burner / 52x32x52 CD-RW $30

All from tiger direct < total &#036;634&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; All I need is a case . (took for ever)

what do you think?

[Rip The Jacker]

Originally posted by Abe@26 June 2004 - 17:02
I work at Mcdonals for 5.80 and hour 19 to 30 hours a week.
Where do you live? If you don&#39;t mind me asking. In the U.S. the minimum wage is 6.75 an hour...

[zapjb]

h**p://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/america.htm

The Federal minimum wage in the USA is &#036;5.15/hour.

[Rip The Jacker]

Originally posted by zapjb@26 June 2004 - 23:49
h**p://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/america.htm

The Federal minimum wage in the USA is &#036;5.15/hour.
I stand corrected. :)

Its &#036;6.75 where I am, California.

[Keikan]

256mb ram your kidding right?
ati radeon 7500

well no wonder its so damned cheap i have a better computer than that

min wage here is &#036;6.50

[orcutt989]

Originally posted by zapjb@27 June 2004 - 00:40
Doesn&#39;t come w/monitor, cheap under powered RAM, cheap mobo, cheap case & PSU, bad sound, cheap spkrs & etc.

All you got is a good CPU. Everything else is cheap under powered shit that will suck the life & capability of that good CPU.
Yes, what is so great about the computer. It is terribly overpriced. How do you think 256 mb of ram is good? Does it even say how much the graphics card is? Terrible computer, i saw a sweet one at Staples, 120 GB hdd, P4, 64mb graphics, 512 ram up to 1gb, 2 PCI slots, usb, pci. Monitor included. And it was on sale for 400&#036;.

[tesco]

Originally posted by orcutt989@27 June 2004 - 11:01
Does it even say how much the graphics card is?
ya, it does, it&#39;s a radeon 7500...POS card, if u are wondering about memory on the card, it&#39;s most likely 64mb, could be 128mb but i highly doubt it, even if it was the card would probably be slower with the more memory anyway...

[Spicker]

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker+27 June 2004 - 08:58--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rip The Jacker @ 27 June 2004 - 08:58)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-zapjb@26 June 2004 - 23:49
h**p://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/america.htm

The Federal minimum wage in the USA is &#036;5.15/hour.
I stand corrected. :)

Its &#036;6.75 where I am, California. [/b][/quote]
its &#036;7.15CDN here in Ontario ;)

[tesco]

Originally posted by jaigandhi5+27 June 2004 - 13:51--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jaigandhi5 @ 27 June 2004 - 13:51)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Rip The Jacker@27 June 2004 - 08:58
<!--QuoteBegin-zapjb@26 June 2004 - 23:49
h**p://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/america.htm

The Federal minimum wage in the USA is &#036;5.15/hour.
I stand corrected. :)

Its &#036;6.75 where I am, California.
its &#036;7.15CDN here in Ontario ;) [/b][/quote]
:D

[Abe]

MBM-K8V-3000 :: Asus K8V Deluxe Socket 64 Motherboard with AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Processor with Free Copy of Far Cry DVD
In Stock &#036;354.99 &#036;354.99




THD-80JB P :: Western Digital Caviar 80GB / 7200 / 8MB / ATA-100 EIDE Hard Drive
In Stock &#036;79.99 &#036;79.99




U10-4901 :: Ultra 512MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz Memory
In Stock &#036;99.99 &#036;99.99




C375-2016 :: Cyber Acoustics CA-2016 2-Piece Speakers Black
In Stock &#036;7.99 &#036;7.99




D100-1744 :: Dell E773c 17" 1024x768 .27mm Midnight Gray Recertified Monitor
In Stock &#036;79.97 &#036;79.97




P450-8602 :: XFX GeForce FX 5200 Video Card / 128MB DDR / AGP 8X / TV Out
In Stock &#036;69.99 &#036;69.99




P456-3100 BK :: Powmax - CP769PL - ATX Mid-Tower Case with Front USB and 400Watt Power Supply -Black
In Stock &#036;29.99 &#036;29.99


TOTAL 722.91 , 805.40 with shipping



OK , It took FOREVER but this is my best find . Can this support W0W , halo or planetside?

[tesco]

Originally posted by Abe@27 June 2004 - 21:59
MBM-K8V-3000 :: Asus K8V Deluxe Socket 64 Motherboard with AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Processor with Free Copy of Far Cry DVD
In Stock &#036;354.99 &#036;354.99




THD-80JB P :: Western Digital Caviar 80GB / 7200 / 8MB / ATA-100 EIDE Hard Drive
In Stock &#036;79.99 &#036;79.99




U10-4901 :: Ultra 512MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz Memory
In Stock &#036;99.99 &#036;99.99




C375-2016 :: Cyber Acoustics CA-2016 2-Piece Speakers Black
In Stock &#036;7.99 &#036;7.99




D100-1744 :: Dell E773c 17" 1024x768 .27mm Midnight Gray Recertified Monitor
In Stock &#036;79.97 &#036;79.97




P450-8602 :: XFX GeForce FX 5200 Video Card / 128MB DDR / AGP 8X / TV Out
In Stock &#036;69.99 &#036;69.99




P456-3100 BK :: Powmax - CP769PL - ATX Mid-Tower Case with Front USB and 400Watt Power Supply -Black
In Stock &#036;29.99 &#036;29.99


TOTAL 722.91 , 805.40 with shipping



OK , It took FOREVER but this is my best find . Can this support W0W , halo or planetside?
yes it will definately play all of them very well.

might wanna consider buying a better video card, if you like gaming... ;) The 5200 is a low-end card.

[zapjb]

Abe you still got a shitty PSU. Listen to clocker don&#39;t go cheapo on a PSU.

Correct me if I&#39;m wrong but the RAM is noname also.

Cheap spkrs also.

[Abe]

oh.............. ATI better for amd or geforce

WHAT&#33;? I thought the psu was very good&#33;

[clocker]

Abe,

Why the high end CPU?
Not planning on clocking the rig?

In any event I would replace the WD HDD unit with a Seagate, even if you you must spend more. The Seagate is MUCH quieter.

The PSU does look a bit dodgy.
It is bundled with the case...both for &#036;30, how good could it really be? That claimed 400w output only happens when both you AND it are dreaming.
You&#39;ll have to do better.
Big July 4th sales coming up, shouldn&#39;t be hard to find a name brand unit for a good price.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by Abe@26 June 2004 - 18:48
So basically , If you want an good gaming pc for a good price , you do loads of research and build your own from scratch? ;)
correct

[clocker]

Quit being so wordy, Dawg.

Just spit it out fer crissakes.

[Abe]

Well , I&#39;m aiming for a comp to run games like halo and WoW on medium to high settings with no frame loss.

P456-3100 BK :: Powmax - CP769PL - ATX Mid-Tower Case with Front USB and 400Watt Power Supply -Black
In Stock &#036;29.99 &#036;29.99

A177-3029 :: ATI Radeon 9600XT Video Card / 128MB DDR / AGP 8X / TV Out & DVI
In Stock &#036;189.99 &#036;189.99

C13-4801 :: Corsair Value Select 512MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz CL3 Memory
In Stock &#036;94.99 &#036;94.99

CP2-XP30003BC :: AMD Athlon™ XP3000+ / 512KB Cache / 333MHz FSB / Socket A / Barton Core / Processor
In Stock &#036;139.99 &#036;139.99


A455-2032 E :: Asus - A7N8XE-Deluxe - nVIDIA nForce2 Socket A ATX Motherboard with Audio, AGP 8X, USB 2.0, FireWire, WiFi, Serial ATA, RAID and Dual Gigabit Ethernet LAN Support
In Stock &#036;124.99 &#036;124.99

TSD-80AS2 P :: Seagate 80GB Serial ATA Hard Drive 7200 / 8MB / 8.5 / S-ATA-150
In Stock &#036;84.99 &#036;84.99

(Update)

[tesco]

Originally posted by Abe@28 June 2004 - 00:04
Well , I&#39;m aiming for a comp to run games like halo and WoW on medium to high settings with no frame loss.
that good a cpu isn&#39;t needed to run those games...well WOW im not too sure about, might be a good idea, but halo has very low requirements, my PC runs it very well at 1024x768 on all high settings with the highest aa and af i could set it too...still around like 35fps...

just to give u an idea of what is required for that game. ;) but WOW i have no idea what the requirements are, is it even out yet?

[clocker]

Abe, I don&#39;t think the 64-bit chip is any advantage in the gaming you plan on ( although I would like one myself), so you could save some money on the CPU and put it towards a better vidcard and PSU.

[Abe]

The beta version is out , There was a live steam the last time I was there at winamp.

[tesco]

Originally posted by Abe@28 June 2004 - 00:21
The beta version is out , There was a live steam the last time I was there at winamp.
I see, well surely you will want a new video card to play that then. ;) Sometime before doom3 and halflife 2 come out i will be buying a new video card as well, probably a 9600xt or a 9800pro or something that will be around 200canadian at that time...

[Abe]

I updated my post and now the vid is the 9600xt. I like the case still. The HD is changed also

[clocker]

Well done.
So you&#39;ve changed the CPU, the video and the HDD.

Which case did you decide on?

[Abe]

I dunno , the powmax looks ok to me.

[clocker]

Then we are finished here?

[Abe]

Yes , Thanks A LOT. I spent tons of time researching and would be spending tons more without help , thanks . And thanks for being patient. :D

[clocker]

Originally posted by Abe@27 June 2004 - 22:39
And thanks for being patient. :D
Tormentor might disagree with you about that.

[zapjb]

The PSU is STILL shitty. Tell&#39;em the truth clocker.

[Tormentor]

Originally posted by clocker+27 June 2004 - 22:47--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 27 June 2004 - 22:47)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Abe@27 June 2004 - 22:39
And thanks for being patient. :D
Tormentor might disagree with you about that. [/b][/quote]
ahh, go fuck yourself.

[haha21]

whats POS mean?

[lee551]

Originally posted by haha21@28 June 2004 - 20:17
whats POS mean?
acronym for Piece of Shit. :lol:

[Abe]

I found out what psu ment finally and hopefully this case will do.

DYNAPOWER Black ATX Mid-Tower Case with 430W Power Supply, Model "86B2

Case (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=11-138-033&DEPA=1)

It looks fancy but I hope it is effective.

[Pitbul]

Originally posted by Abe@27 June 2004 - 20:13
oh.............. ATI better for amd or geforce

WHAT&#33;? I thought the psu was very good&#33;
in the PC market, you get quality if you pay for it. just because its "cheap" doesn&#39;t mean its "good" if anything it usually means the direct opposite. you want an AMD64 system? i suggest spending no less then &#036;1000. if you can&#39;t afford that then lower your aim. with your budgetting and how you pick things your more liable to get your PC home then have something break a few weeks later. no good 512stick of DDR400 is going to run 70 dollars. no quality effiecient 400w PSU is going to cost 40 dollars. also a 5200 wont get you anywhere but low settings on any games coming out soon.

[Super Dude]

Originally posted by Abe@28 June 2004 - 20:38
I found out what psu ment finally and hopefully this case will do.

DYNAPOWER Black ATX Mid-Tower Case with 430W Power Supply, Model "86B2

Case (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=11-138-033&DEPA=1)

It looks fancy but I hope it is effective.
Abe,

It&#39;s not about the quantity of watts, it&#39;s about the quality of the PSU.And you won&#39;t get a high or even mid quality PSU for &#036;29.99 - Case included.You&#39;ll get a POS PSU.And when you get a POS PSU, the other hardware components in your system might become screwed up POS too, in future.

Get a cheaper processor and motherboard, and use the money for a better Vga card and PSU.

Processor:
Amd Athlon Xp 2500+ - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-379&depa=0) - &#036;80

Motherboard:
Gigabyte GA-7N400-L Motherboard - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-128-194&depa=0) -&#036;66

Vga Card:
Sapphire ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb 256bit (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-268&depa=0) - &#036;206

Memory:
Corsair Value Select 512MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz CL3 Memory - &#036;95

Hdd:
Seagate 80 GB IDE Hard Drive (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-148-015&depa=0) - &#036;66

Case:
Enermax Silver ATX Mid Tower Case - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-124-100&depa=1) - &#036;55

PSU:
Fortron 530 Watt (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=17-104-968&depa=0) - &#036;75, you get a free newegg t-shirt too&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Total: &#036;643

[Abe]

Lots of people reconmended AMD amd xp 2500 , They say you can overclock it to reach 3200 performance. So why do they even sell 3200? But I will take the PSU case links , thanks

[Dray_04]

Why do they sell 3200 you say?

Most people, companies etc do not intend on overclocking their PC&#39;s to obtain a decent spec&#39;ed machine.

Whereas enthusiasts who are usually poor... like me, would get the 2500+ and overclock it to 3200 speeds B)

:box:

[Abe]

Does over clocking damage your system or use more power? get hotter? Also I found this case which is an antec , 350w

case (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-129-119&depa=1)

[Dray_04]

Originally posted by Abe@29 June 2004 - 11:07
Does over clocking damage your system or use more power? get hotter? Also I found this case which is an antec , 350w

case (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-129-119&depa=1)
As long as you have decent cooling (in this case - a standard heatsink and Artic Silver would work) then Overclocking can be as easy as pie.

It can damage your system if you dont take care.

Follow the pinned guides if you have any queries about OC.


p.s take it slow

[clocker]

Originally posted by Abe@28 June 2004 - 16:07
Does over clocking damage your system or use more power? get hotter?
Damage?...probably not. It can be argued that the unit life may be shortened, but you won&#39;t have the CPU long enough to tell probably.

Use more power?...oh yes, almost certainly. And the more you clock the more important the stability and cleanliness of the power you are supplying becomes.

Get hotter?... again, yes. Sadly. How extreme you get dealing with this is a matter of personal taste. Lightly modified stock systems all the way to extreme solutions have been applied to combat the heat. Up to you.

[zapjb]

Abe Posted on 28 June 2004 - 18:07
Also I found this case which is an antec , 350w

That&#39;s a good case. But checkout the Antec SLK3700AMB. Think it&#39;s on sale for &#036;64 delivered. Use your own judgement. But that&#39;s my case + 1 120mm Antec case fan for the front. :)

[clocker]

Very good Abe.

You have found Zap&#39;s g-spot.

But will you call him in the morning?

[Super Dude]

Originally posted by clocker@29 June 2004 - 02:31
Very good Abe.

You have found Zap&#39;s g-spot.

But will you call him in the morning?

:lol: :lol:

That&#39;s like, one of the most funniest thing I&#39;ve ever read in a long time.That&#39;s Just f*cking hilarious man&#33; :lol: :lol: :lol:


Very good Abe.

You have found Zap&#39;s g-spot.

But will you call him in the morning?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[zapjb]

Thx clocker. I got a good laugh. :lol:

[orcutt989]

Originally posted by jaigandhi5+27 June 2004 - 18:51--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jaigandhi5 &#064; 27 June 2004 - 18:51)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Rip The Jacker@27 June 2004 - 08:58
<!--QuoteBegin-zapjb@26 June 2004 - 23:49
h**p://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/america.htm

The Federal minimum wage in the USA is &#036;5.15/hour.
I stand corrected. :)

Its &#036;6.75 where I am, California.
its &#036;7.15CDN here in Ontario ;) [/b][/quote]
And that is like 2 cents american. So i think we win.



7.15 CAD = 5.31224 USD



We loose. :angry: John Kerry wants to make minimum wage &#036;7.75