Computer Upgrade

[silent h3ro]

Ok so I don't really know how to build a computer and I'm going to upgrade my current computer so I might go to a class that taught how to build comps. The only problem is that if I wan't to build a computer there I have to buy thier parts which may not be good considering how much money thier parts might be. So should I get guides or sumthin off the internet and learn myself and buy my own parts for probably cheaper or should I go there and learn but not get as good a deal. By the way can anyone recommend a cpu, motherboard, case(i need a new look), a powersupply,some fans, and memory and another harddrive. I don't know my exact budget cause I don't know exactly how much I have in the bank. All I know is that I have around $600 and I could get some more loned from my mom.

Sorry about all the questions I ask maybe im too Nooby or sumfin :frusty:

:helpsmile: :helpsmile:

[tesco]

Couldn't you take parts that you buy into the class to build on? or is that too much work? :unsure: guess it is..

most of it is all basic, really easy stuff. Whatever you can't figure out search google for, or ask on this forum as you build. Most is just like lego, peices only go one way. Hardest stuff is like figuring out how the front audio headers go and stuff (I spent about 40 minutes doing that with my new case today, never even got it working), attaching heatsink is pretty easy but you gotta do it right or u could fry processor...

One of the easy things but it annoys me the most is wire placement...i hate having wires all around the case, wish they could all be hidden. :rolleyes:


I screwed up on heatsink again. I'm so ashamed.

[silent h3ro]

Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004@29 June 2004 - 23:01
Couldn't you take parts that you buy into the class to build on? or is that too much work? :unsure: guess it is..

most of it is all basic, really easy stuff. Whatever you can't figure out search google for, or ask on this forum as you build. Most is just like lego, peices only go one way. Hardest stuff is like figuring out how the front audio headers go and stuff (I spent about 40 minutes doing that with my new case today, never even got it working), attaching heatsync is pretty easy but you gotta do it right or u could fry processor...

One of the easy things but it annoys me the most is wire placement...i hate having wires all around the case, wish they could all be hidden. :rolleyes:
Thanx for ur quick response. I guess I should prolly build it myself cause im shure I could get it at a cheaper price. Can u recommend guides for building. And if anyone knows any good computer parts that would help considering my limited knowledge of specific parts and prices. :helpsmile:

[peat moss]

@HardcoreGamer You what to upgrade your current spec's, The one in your Sig.? Why seems like a nice setup, Mabey upgrading your mobo , memory and cpu. . Great way to learn how to build. Then sell old parts to your buddies. You probably know more than the teacher of that class. :)


http://www.tomshardware.com/

[clocker]

HCG,

Do you live in/near a major metropolitan area?
If so there will be lots of ways to get your hands on a junky (probably dead) old PCfor cheap. if not free.
Doesn't matter what kind.
Take it home and tear it apart.
Then put it back together.

You've just learned the basics.

Newer chips and heatsinks install differently than old ones, but there is a wealth of pictorial help on the net and it's really not hard to do.

My sister was amazed when I helped her assemble her new PC this spring.
"It's really this easy?"

You first build might take all day.
After your fifth, it will take about an hour.

All you need is a Phillips head screwdriver and an inquiring mind.

[silent h3ro]

Originally posted by peat moss@29 June 2004 - 23:15
@HardcoreGamer You what to upgrade your current spec's, The one in your Sig.? Why seems like a nice setup, Mabey upgrading your mobo , memory and cpu. . Great way to learn how to build. Then sell old parts to your buddies. You probably know more than the teacher of that class. :)


http://www.tomshardware.com/
well i was thinking of just upgrading my mobo cause of the 4X AGP speed but i thought why not the processor also then it kinda got outta hand :D but I am looking for a performance boost in all the new games cause right now I get horrible framerates in games like farcry and stuff so...

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by HardcoreGamer@29 June 2004 - 17:23
I get horrible framerates in games like farcry and stuff so...
http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=116196

[silent h3ro]

Originally posted by clocker@29 June 2004 - 23:17
HCG,

Do you live in/near a major metropolitan area?
If so there will be lots of ways to get your hands on a junky (probably dead) old PCfor cheap. if not free.
Doesn't matter what kind.
Take it home and tear it apart.
Then put it back together.

You've just learned the basics.

Newer chips and heatsinks install differently than old ones, but there is a wealth of pictorial help on the net and it's really not hard to do.

My sister was amazed when I helped her assemble her new PC this spring.
"It's really this easy?"

You first build might take all day.
After your fifth, it will take about an hour.

All you need is a Phillips head screwdriver and an inquiring mind.
I live over one hundred miles away from Detroit and the arent any other big cities around so I don't know about finding an old pc eaisly but that does sound like a good idea.

[peat moss]

Originally posted by clocker@29 June 2004 - 15:17
HCG,

Do you live in/near a major metropolitan area?
If so there will be lots of ways to get your hands on a junky (probably dead) old PCfor cheap. if not free.
Doesn't matter what kind.
Take it home and tear it apart.
Then put it back together.

You've just learned the basics.

Newer chips and heatsinks install differently than old ones, but there is a wealth of pictorial help on the net and it's really not hard to do.

My sister was amazed when I helped her assemble her new PC this spring.
"It's really this easy?"

You first build might take all day.
After your fifth, it will take about an hour.

All you need is a Phillips head screwdriver and an inquiring mind.
How true clocker I learnt on old p 100 and 133 ,s my dad brought home from behind the dumpsters in Vancouver, he,s a truck driver. :lol:

[silent h3ro]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234+29 June 2004 - 23:26--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Virtualbody1234 @ 29 June 2004 - 23:26)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-HardcoreGamer@29 June 2004 - 17:23
I get horrible framerates in games like farcry and stuff so...
http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=116196 [/b][/quote]
Well i also get these problems in Splintercell, Hitman Contracts, and in Unreal Tourney 2004 in Onslaught and I do do defrag my harddrive like every good once in awhile. So i dont know wats wrong.

[silent h3ro]

Ok so is upgrading my current comp. a good idea? What hardware is recommended? :huh:

[bigdawgfoxx]

Uh...everything on your computer looks pretty good. If I was you, I would get the highest CPU your mobo can handle...cuz everything else looks fine. Then do a fresh install of windows after a formatt of the harddrive, and it should be a ton faster.

[silent h3ro]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@30 June 2004 - 00:02
Uh...everything on your computer looks pretty good.&nbsp; If I was you, I would get the highest CPU your mobo can handle...cuz everything else looks fine.&nbsp; Then do a fresh install of windows after a formatt of the harddrive, and it should be a ton faster.
Ive already done that (i havent bought a new cpu though) :( whats wrong with my computer? BTW my mobo is only 4X AGP.

[tesco]

Originally posted by HardcoreGamer+29 June 2004 - 19:07--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (HardcoreGamer @ 29 June 2004 - 19:07)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@30 June 2004 - 00:02
Uh...everything on your computer looks pretty good.&nbsp; If I was you, I would get the highest CPU your mobo can handle...cuz everything else looks fine.&nbsp; Then do a fresh install of windows after a formatt of the harddrive, and it should be a ton faster.
Ive already done that (i havent bought a new cpu though) :( whats wrong with my computer? BTW my mobo is only 4X AGP. [/b][/quote]
I&#39;m willing to bet you have a shitload of spyware on your computer. Run spysweeper or some other spyware removal program.

Also look at my pinned guide (link in sig) and follow teh services.msc and msconfig parts.

Last, download the latest video drivers from www.nvidia.com.

Now that i notice your specs, you have absolutely no need for a better computer. ;) Motherboard possibly, since it is only 4x, but i doubt you will notice much diffference...

[peat moss]

Originally posted by HardcoreGamer+29 June 2004 - 16:07--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (HardcoreGamer &#064; 29 June 2004 - 16:07)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@30 June 2004 - 00:02
Uh...everything on your computer looks pretty good.&nbsp; If I was you, I would get the highest CPU your mobo can handle...cuz everything else looks fine.&nbsp; Then do a fresh install of windows after a formatt of the harddrive, and it should be a ton faster.
Ive already done that (i havent bought a new cpu though) :( whats wrong with my computer? BTW my mobo is only 4X AGP. [/b][/quote]
I can run farcry flawlessly with a p4 2.0 at high settings with a ati 9700 pro. Check VB&#39;&#39;s post again might solve your problem. And try different vid drivers . :)


Edit I don&#39;t know my video cards that well but that&#39;s a nice card is&#39;nt . :D

[bigdawgfoxx]

Your best bet would be a good new mobo that supports 800Mhz FSB, and like a 2.8Ghz P4

Or get a new AMD board with a 2500XP for like &#036;160. That would be cheaper and really good.

[peat moss]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@29 June 2004 - 16:31
Your best bet would be a good new mobo that supports 800Mhz FSB, and like a 2.8Ghz P4

Or get a new AMD board with a 2500XP for like &#036;160.&nbsp; That would be cheaper and really good.
Bigdog I had to check your pinned guide :lol: , Thats a pretty nice video card he has . ;)

[silent h3ro]

Originally posted by peat moss+30 June 2004 - 00:20--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (peat moss @ 30 June 2004 - 00:20)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by HardcoreGamer@29 June 2004 - 16:07
<!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@30 June 2004 - 00:02
Uh...everything on your computer looks pretty good. If I was you, I would get the highest CPU your mobo can handle...cuz everything else looks fine. Then do a fresh install of windows after a formatt of the harddrive, and it should be a ton faster.
Ive already done that (i havent bought a new cpu though) :( whats wrong with my computer? BTW my mobo is only 4X AGP.
I can run farcry flawlessly with a p4 2.0 at high settings with a ati 9700 pro. Check VB&#39;&#39;s post again might solve your problem. And try different vid drivers . :)


Edit I don&#39;t know my video cards that well but that&#39;s a nice card is&#39;nt . :D [/b][/quote]
You run Farcry at high settings flawlessly???? :o WTF my computer lags at medium settings and I have no spyware on my comp. or any shit like that.

I have no spyware, no viruses,I had recently reinstalled windows xp, I defrag my hardrive like every couple of weeks, I have the latest video card drivers from nvidia and sttill get the same lag in far cry also a get a short pause every time I turn and shoot. Any other suggestions?

[silent h3ro]

So I should get a p4 2.8ghz? how much would that and a good mobo cost?

[bigdawgfoxx]

He has a 9700Pro like me, and you have a 5700Ultra, thats why his runs so good.

If you dont want to spend a lot, your best bet would be AMD

Asus A7N8X &#036;80
AMD 2500XP &#036;80

For &#036;160

Asus P4C800 &#036;160 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-449&depa=0)
Intel P4 2.8C &#036;180 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-116-161&depa=0)

For &#036; 340

Thats a really nice board though, you can prob get a decent one for around &#036;100

[Super Dude]

HardcoreGamer,

If you&#39;re up for it, sell your current computer, add the money you get from it to the &#036;600 you currently have, and you&#39;ll be set for a "Hardcore Gamer"&#39;s shopping spree.I&#39;d say you&#39;ll get at least &#036;1000+ when you sell your old pc + &#036;600.

Confirm your budget first, then, plan on the hardware you want that will suit and satisfy your needs and requirements.

And with &#036;1000+, no doubt, you&#39;ll get a "Hardcore Gamer" computer.

[clocker]

If you do all that PLUS give me your sister and your car, I&#39;ll sell you Sprocket.

[Super Dude]

Originally posted by clocker@30 June 2004 - 03:25
If you do all that PLUS give me your sister and your car, I&#39;ll sell you Sprocket.
Last night Clocker spoke of Zappy&#39;s G-Spot, and now he&#39;s offering you Sprocket for your sister and car.

Don&#39;t listen to Clocker, he&#39;s just fantasizing and hallucinating about some things.

[bigdawgfoxx]

I dont think hed get 1000 for that system at all. He might get 400 or so...maybe 500 so hell have about 1000...which would be awesome...great CPU and great graphics card..Id go with amd and x800xt pe

[Super Dude]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@30 June 2004 - 04:29
I dont think hed get 1000 for that system at all.&nbsp; He might get 400 or so...maybe 500 so hell have about 1000...which would be awesome...great CPU and great graphics card..Id go with amd and x800xt pe

Of course he wouldn&#39;t get &#036;1000 for his current pc.

I said,


I&#39;d say you&#39;ll get at least &#036;1000+ when you sell your old pc + &#036;600.

[peat moss]

Originally posted by Super Dude+29 June 2004 - 20:39--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Super Dude @ 29 June 2004 - 20:39)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@30 June 2004 - 04:29
I dont think hed get 1000 for that system at all.&nbsp; He might get 400 or so...maybe 500 so hell have about 1000...which would be awesome...great CPU and great graphics card..Id go with amd and x800xt pe

Of course he wouldn&#39;t get &#036;1000 for his current pc.

I said,


I&#39;d say you&#39;ll get at least &#036;1000+ when you sell your old pc + &#036;600. [/b][/quote]
Ya sad eh, year old computer 400 bucks :lol: Top of the line I might add a year ago , priceless. :D

[clocker]

Originally posted by Super Dude@29 June 2004 - 20:44

Last night Clocker spoke of Zappy&#39;s G-Spot, and now he&#39;s offering you Sprocket for your sister and car.


Don&#39;t forget the thousand dollars.

I&#39;m not a complete romantic.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Yeah, you said youd get at least 1000 when you sell your old pc +600...It made it look like he would get 1000 for the old one plus 600 he already has and would have 1600

[tesco]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@30 June 2004 - 08:04
Yeah, you said youd get at least 1000 when you sell your old pc +600...It made it look like he would get 1000 for the old one plus 600 he already has and would have 1600
this is what i thought to. :lol: