A Router....

[threelions00]

ok...just wondering if i should get a router or not...not sure what they do...i have one pc, direct link to the net via cable usb modem...so do i even need one?

[Virtualbody1234]

A router could add firewall protection to your setup but the main purpose is to allow you to connect more computers to share an internet connection.

[threelions00]

good answer mr virtualbody...bugger that idea then...case closed! i got a firewall anyway...sygate i think it is

[Virtualbody1234]

Ok. Simple enough.

[Peerzy]

Just out of interest why would you think you needed one?

[threelions00]

well i'm not the sharpest when it comes to pc's and i was talking about port forwarding which mentioned a router a lot...no benefit to me, so no worries...any suggestions on any other hardware that i could get would be good...got a nice little set up in my office...tv on the pc, pc connected to my stereo, got cable internet...i like my gadgets and such so was just wondering what else i could get....

any suggestions?

[tesco]

Originally posted by threelions00@30 June 2004 - 18:19
well i'm not the sharpest when it comes to pc's and i was talking about port forwarding which mentioned a router a lot...no benefit to me, so no worries...any suggestions on any other hardware that i could get would be good...got a nice little set up in my office...tv on the pc, pc connected to my stereo, got cable internet...i like my gadgets and such so was just wondering what else i could get....

any suggestions?
Surround sound speakers, new tv that you could hook up to tv out on your computer, umm, there are these divx players that plug into a network, you plug it into your tv, and also to your network, then share a drive on your computer, the divx player sees it and can play MP3's, AVIs, etc.

Never actually seen one before, but i have heard of them somewhere on this forum once before. :)

ofcourse if you boiught that then you could use a router :D

:lol:

[clocker]

Out of curiosity...
If one is behind a router ( hence, a hardware firewall) does one still need a software firewall on each computer hooked to it?

[tesco]

Originally posted by clocker@30 June 2004 - 22:33
Out of curiosity...
If one is behind a router ( hence, a hardware firewall) does one still need a software firewall on each computer hooked to it?
I've been going on and off with using one, and find that it is unneeded...

[clocker]

So...computers behind a router are totally invisible and untouchable by the internet?

[tesco]

Originally posted by clocker@30 June 2004 - 22:43
So...computers behind a router are totally invisible and untouchable by the internet?
ya, with all the ports closed, yes they are.

[clocker]

How do you close port 113?

[tesco]

Originally posted by clocker@30 June 2004 - 22:59
How do you close port 113?
lol, it is "closed", but it is only closed, router answres to it.

To fix this, i forwarded it to my computer, then blocked it with windows XP's firewall...
i can't remember, but i may have also been able to just forward it to a random ip address and then it wouldn't be responded to, but i can't remember...

wait like 5 miutes and ill tell you if that works...

edit: ya, it works that way. I set it to forward to ip 192.168.0.89. ran the test @ https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 and it came up as "stealthed."

But i failed teh test becuase of my open bittorrent and ftp ports lol.

[clocker]

Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004@30 June 2004 - 21:02


edit: ya, it works that way. I set it to forward to ip 192.168.0.89. ran the test @ https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 and it came up as "stealthed."


But "stealthed" is not the same as "closed" is it?
When I take that test, I have a completely green ("closed") board except for port 113.
Supposedly ZA is supposed to adaptively learn to show that port as "closed", but my ZA must be a poor student cause it never does.
I'm not particularly worried about it, most folks seem to think it isn't a big deal...I was just curious.

[tesco]

Originally posted by clocker+30 June 2004 - 23:39--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 30 June 2004 - 23:39)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-ROSSCO_2004@30 June 2004 - 21:02


edit: ya, it works that way. I set it to forward to ip 192.168.0.89. ran the test @ https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 and it came up as "stealthed."


But "stealthed" is not the same as "closed" is it?
When I take that test, I have a completely green ("closed") board except for port 113.
Supposedly ZA is supposed to adaptively learn to show that port as "closed", but my ZA must be a poor student cause it never does.
I&#39;m not particularly worried about it, most folks seem to think it isn&#39;t a big deal...I was just curious. [/b][/quote]
If you read the instructions somewhere on that page you will see that closed is good, but stealthed is better.

Closed means that the computer&#092;your router&#092;something at that IP is answering to that port. It is saying it is closed, but it is still responding. This tells the hacker that there is something at this IP address.

If it is stealthed it means that the computer just didn&#39;t answer at all to teh port. So the hacker will thik there is nothing at all at this IP adress, and move on...

atleast that is how i understand it. ;)

[clocker]

You&#39;re right, I had it backwards.

I get all "stealthed" with port 113 standing out as "closed".
Can&#39;t figure out how to stealth it.

[tesco]

Originally posted by clocker@30 June 2004 - 23:48
You&#39;re right, I had it backwards.

I get all "stealthed" with port 113 standing out as "closed".
Can&#39;t figure out how to stealth it.
Yes, i had that exact problem with ZA. If you enable teh windows firewall, it blocks it. :rolleyes:

[threelions00]

oi rossco and clocker...stop hijacking my thread&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol:

[clocker]

We didn&#39;t "hijack" it, we merely expanded it&#39;s scope.

Now it&#39;s blown up.

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by clocker@30 June 2004 - 21:33
Out of curiosity...
If one is behind a router ( hence, a hardware firewall) does one still need a software firewall on each computer hooked to it?
A software firewall can be usefull to warn you when a software application is trying to send signals outbound from your PC to the internet. Lots of software likes to &#39;call home&#39; and a software firewall will alert you and give you a choice to block it or not.

[clocker]

Now you&#39;re hijacking the thread, VB.
Tsk, tsk.

[threelions00]

ok...that&#39;s it...this thread is going on ebay...who&#39;ll give me 10 bucks for it? anyone??? :lol:

[abu_has_the_power]

za is not very useful at all. i stopped using it cuz it causes problems. router and protowall are all i need. :01: :01:

[clocker]

Really?

What problems?

[lynx]

I find ZA so easy to use and configure, I tried Sygate and trying to get it to do what I wanted was just too much hassle.

Also, on occasions I&#39;ve found the need to use the DMZ function on my router (but not since I dumped Sygate), in that situation a software firewall is an absolute must.