Please Help Me Nice People

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

Ok, I have to build a computer for someone. I've done it twice so I know basically how to build it. I think picking and purchasing the parts is the hardest part.....so i've come up with a basic list, that are all hopefully compatible, that meets $700 + $300 for a 15'' LCD. The whole package has to be an even $1000. This person I'm making the computer for doesn't use the computer too much and doesn't know much about it. He will only play 1 game - Need for Speed:underground, but will watch DVDs so I don't think the video card has to be that good. Now I'm hoping I can get a better price for these products, but I just quickly looked on newegg.com for all these. Please look at this list and help me, THANK YOU :D

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Intel Pentium 4/ 2.8E GHz 800MHz FSB, 1MB L2 Cache, Hyper Threading Technology - Retail
- Specifications -
Model: Intel Pentium 4 w/ Hyper Threading
Core: Prescott
Operating Frequency: 2.8GHz
FSB: 800MHz
Cache: L1/12K+16K; L2/1MB
Voltage: 1.25-1.525V
Process: 0.09Micron
Socket: Socket 478
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3
Warranty: 3-year MFG
Packaging: Retail box (with Heatsink and Fan)
$175.00
[I see some 2.8B ghz, E ghz...they are $5 difference...someone tell me the difference please]


Maxtor 80GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model 6Y080P0, OEM Drive Only
**NON-REFUNDABLE ITEM.Warranty is provided through product Manufacturer Only!
- Specifications -
Capacity: 80GB
Average Seek Time: 9.3 ms
Buffer: 8MB
Rotational Speed: 7200 RPM
Interface: IDE ULTRA ATA133
Features: Maxtor Shock Protection and Data Protection Systems
Manufacturer Warranty: 1 year
Packaging: OEM Drive Only
$74.99


NEC 8X Black DVD+RW/-RW Drive, Model ND-2500A, OEM Bulk
-Specifications-
Write Speed: 8X DVD+R, 4X DVD+RW, 8X DVD-R, 4X DVD-RW, 32X CD-R, 16X CD-RW
Read Speed: 40X CD-ROM, 12X DVD-ROM
Interface: ATAPI / E-IDE
Buffer: 2MB
OS Support: Windows XP/2000/Me/98SE
Features: Vertical operation possible, anti-dust seal
Packaging: OEM Bulk Pack
$70


ABIT "IC7" i875P Chipset Motherboard for Intel Socket 478 CPU -RETAIL
- Specifications -
Supported CPU: Intel Pentium 4(Hyper Threading) Processors
Chipset: Intel 875P + ICH5R
FSB: 800/533MHz
RAM: 4x DIMM support Dual-Channel DDR400/333/266 Max 4GB(ECC)
IDE: 2x ATA 100 up to 4 Devices
Slots: 1x AGP Pro 8X/4X(0.8/1.5V), 5x PCI
Ports: 2xPS/2,1xLPT,1xCOM,SPDIF Out,3xIEEE1394a(Rear 1),8xUSB2.0(Rear 4),Audio Ports
Onboard Audio: 6-Channel AC97 Codec
Onboard SATA/RAID: 2x Serial ATA, RAID 0/1
Onboard 1394: 3 Ports
Form Factor: ATX
$110


SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9800SE Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP -BULK
- Specifications -
Chipset/Core Speed: ATI RADEON 9800SE/325MHz
Memory/Effective Speed: 128MB DDR/580MHz
BUS: AGP 1X/2X/4X/8X
Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub)+TV-Out(S-Video Out)+DVI Connector
Support 3D API: DirectX®9, OpenGL®2.0
Cable/Accessories: 2 Cables, Driver CD
Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536@85Hz
$134

SONY Black 1.44MB 3.5inch Floppy Disk Drive, Model MPF920, OEM (limit 50 per customer)
Capacity: 1.44MB
Average Access Time: 94 ms
Interface: 34 Pin Standard Floppy Connector
Form: 3.5 inch
Media Type: All Standard 1.44MB & 720KB 3.5 Floppy Diskettes
Features: High Quality and Reliability
Packaging: OEM
$10


Crucial DDR PC3200 • CL=3 • Non-parity • DDR400 • 2.6V • 32Meg x 64
256MB X 2
$100


Now the thing about the case and the powersupply. I dunno if I should just buy a case with the powersupply or buy them separately. The case doesn't have to look amazing, but I would like it to look good. Can someone point me in the right direction?

The total price without the Case and powersupply is $674. I would like the powersupply and case to be like $50....

If someone has better suggestions about the products i selected, maybe a little cheaper, or a better product but same abilities, PLEASE tell me. I'm ok with computers but I'm not too good so please help me. I would like this to be a reliable computer and it won't be overclocked.

Also, I have thought about AMD processor, but I have never used one. So unless majority of the people say AMD is better, faster(or equal), and more reliable, I think I'll probably stick with the Pentium 4.

Thank you VERY much for reading this long post and helping me figure out the best system. Also if anyone has any good deals on 15''(or 17'' if price is right) for $300, maybe a little over or a little less, please do tell me. THANK YOU AGAIN

I'll look for better prices once I'm 100% sure about all the products, but i dont think it'll get much better than this.

[tesco]

I wouldn't say amd is more reliable. same reliability, IMO.
AMD is more bang for your buck though, for half the price of the pentium 4 you could buy an athlon 2500+ and OC it to 3200+ speeds. It will be faster AND cheaper than the 2.8ghz P4. ;)

With the money you save, more ram, or maybe better heatsink than teh stock one could be bought. although the stock heatsink that comes with the 2500+ is already capacble of cooling the processor very well when OCed to 3200+. :)

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

but i dun wanna take the risks of overclock especially since i've never done it. And i dunno HOW to do it.

[pc-gamer-dude]

well u can build a very fast AMD system for much less..
u should look into:

AMD Athlon XP2500+ barton processor
Asus A7N8X motherboard

just switch for motherboard and processor u chose for the ones above and your set for a very good AMD system. should be MUCH cheaper to (maybe $100+ difference) and u wont really notice a difference between the 2 processors unless u benchmarj them.

oh and also get a seagate harddrive instead of a maxtor hard drive. Seagate is very quiet and reliable. Western digital is very reliable also but ive heard some stories about them having loud drives (i currently have a 40gb Western digital and it isnt loud at all).

but yes go with AMD, u might even be able to build a very FAST Athlon 64 system for $1000.

[tesco]

Originally posted by XxKrNxStyLeZxX@1 July 2004 - 21:29
but i dun wanna take the risks of overclock especially since i've never done it. And i dunno HOW to do it.
well, even without the OC, the porcessors are already very close to same performance...( :unsure: )

wait im gonna find some benchmarks....

edit: can't find any, not too sure what to search for. ;)

anyway, if you go with a amd athlon xp 2800+ it will be around same performace as the 2.8ghz p4, so i would go with that, cheaper. ;)

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

i have a seagate in my current computer and love it. I was gonna go for it and i saw an 80 GB for $65, but it had 2mb cache. Dunno what it means but I thought it was bad. Also will the AMD you chose for me be as reliable and pretty much be the same thing and speed as the intel? Wouldn't want any problems. btw, you guys are fast....thats why i love posting here
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edit - i found the AMD Athlon XP 2500+ "Barton" for almost $100 cheaper.
but howcome the front side bus and frequency are so much lower? doesnt this mean they're slower? :( i need to learn more about computers

Model: AMD Athlon XP 2500+
Core: Barton
Operating Frequency: 1.83GHz
FSB: 333MHz
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/512K
Voltage: 1.65V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket A
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Packaging: Retail Box (Heatsink and Fan included)

[tesco]

Originally posted by XxKrNxStyLeZxX@1 July 2004 - 21:32
i have a seagate in my current computer and love it. I was gonna go for it and i saw an 80 GB for $65, but it had 2mb cache. Dunno what it means but I thought it was bad. Also will the AMD you chose for me be as reliable and pretty much be the same thing and speed as the intel? Wouldn't want any problems. btw, you guys are fast....thats why i love posting here
ya same reliability.

I would go for seagate, i love them too.

2mb cahce is slower than a drive with 8mb cache, obviously. lol. If i was to buy a drive, main things i would be looking for are 8mb cache, 7200rpm, ide, and over 80gb. ;) oh and it must be seagate.

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

i found a seagate i want for 75. But what does it mean when it says "requires additional power adapter".

Capacity: 80GB
Average Seek Time: 8.5 ms
Buffer: 8MB
Rotational Speed: 7200 RPM
Interface: Serial ATA
Features: 3D Defense System
Manufacturer Warranty: 1 year
Packaging: OEM, Requires additional Power adapter

Roscoe please look at my edit on my last post, THX! :D

[tesco]

GHZ don't mean anything anymore. The amd chips can processor more info per cycle, so they do same work as a p4 but with slower clock speed (GHZ).

This probably makes no sense, but oh well, basically im saying it is just as fast and a slower speed.

edit: removed what i said about the hard drive, just noticed it is sata (thanks to clocker lol).

[clocker]

Originally posted by XxKrNxStyLeZxX@1 July 2004 - 19:38
i found a seagate i want for 75. But what does it mean when it says "requires additional power adapter".

Capacity: 80GB
Average Seek Time: 8.5 ms
Buffer: 8MB
Rotational Speed: 7200 RPM
Interface: Serial ATA
Features: 3D Defense System
Manufacturer Warranty: 1 year
Packaging: OEM, Requires additional Power adapter

Roscoe please look at my edit on my last post, THX! :D
It's a SATA drive.
It takes a different power connector and a different interface with the motherboard, which must support it.

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

ooh didnt see that...hmm...so should i not get that then? the next seagate IDE with 8mb buffer is 120 GB and $91

[tesco]

Originally posted by XxKrNxStyLeZxX@1 July 2004 - 21:48
ooh didnt see that...hmm...so should i not get that then? the next seagate IDE with 8mb buffer is 120 GB and $91
First choose what motherboard and processor you want to get, then you will know if u want the sata drive or an ide drive.(if the motherboard supporets sata, go with it, if not, then don't...)

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

oh ok...can you please answer thsi for me?

i found the AMD Athlon XP 2500+ "Barton" for almost $100 cheaper.
but howcome the front side bus and frequency are so much lower? doesnt this mean they're slower?

Model: AMD Athlon XP 2500+
Core: Barton
Operating Frequency: 1.83GHz
FSB: 333MHz
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/512K
Voltage: 1.65V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket A
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Packaging: Retail Box (Heatsink and Fan included)

[clocker]

GHz is NOT a valid way to compare a CPU.
For what your friend wants to do an AMD chip will be just fine.

[bigdawgfoxx]

IF he wants to spend around $1000 buy a 2500XP with an Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe, with 2X512MB of ram..from corsair or mushkin..get some good stuff, then buy an ATI X800XT PE and that should be under $1000, I think. If not get 2X256MB of ram lol it would be an awesome computer.

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

thats 1000 for the comp and the LCD...

ok ok i guess ill go with the AMD. Now can someone tell me which one to pick?

ASUS "A7N8X-X" nForce2 400 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU -RETAIL (limit 3 per customer)
- Specifications -
Supported CPU: Socket A AMD Athlon/Athlon XP/Duron Processors
Chipset: NVIDIA nForce2 400 + MCP
FSB: 400/333/266/200MHz
RAM: 3x DIMM for DDR400/333/266/200(Non-ECC,unbuffered) Max 3GB
IDE: 2x UltraDMA 133 up to 4 Devices
Slots: 1x AGP 8X, 5x PCI
Ports: 2xPS2, 1xCOM, 1xLPT,6xUSB2.0(Rear 4), 1xLAN, Audio Ports
Onboard Audio: Realtek ALC650 6CH w/ built in HP amplifier
Onboard LAN: Integrated NVIDIA MAC + Realtek 8201BL PHY 10/100Mbps
Form Factor: ATX
$70


ASUS "A7N8X" nForce2 Ultra 400 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU -RETAIL(New Version, now support AMD Barton 400MHz)
- Specifications -
Supported CPU: Socket A AMD Athlon/Athlon XP/Duron Processors
Chipset: NVIDIA nForce2 Ultra 400 + MCP
FSB: 400/333/266/200MHz
RAM: 3x DIMM for Dual Channel un-buffered non-ECC DDR400/333/266 Max 3GB
IDE: 2x UltraDMA 133 up to 4 Devices
Slots: 1x AGP PRO/8X, 5x PCI
Ports: 2xPS2,1xCOM,1xLPT,6xUSB2.0(Rear 4),1xLAN,Audio Ports
Onboard Audio: Realtek ALC650 6CH w/ built in HP amplifier
Onboard LAN: Realtek 8201BL 10/100Mbps
Form Factor: ATX
$82


ASUS "A7N8X-VM/400" nForce2 IGP Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU -RETAIL
- Specifications -
Supported CPU: Socket A AMD AthlonXP/Athlon/Duron Processors
Chipset: NVIDIA nForce2 IGP + MCP
FSB: 400/333/266MHz
RAM: 2x DIMM support Dual Channel DDR333/266 Max 2GB
IDE: 2x UltraDMA 133 up to 4 Devices
Slots: 1x AGP 8X, 3x PCI
Ports: 2xPS2,1xLPT,1xCOM,1xVGA,1xLAN,6xUSB2.0(Rear 4),Audio Ports
Onboard Audio: Realtek ALC650 6-Channel Codec
Onboard Video: GeForce4 MX GPU + TV Encoder
Onboard LAN: Realtek 10/100Mbps Fast Ethernet
Form Factor: microATX
$84


ASUS "A7N8X-E Deluxe" nForce2 Ultra 400 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU -RETAIL
- Specifications -
Chipset: NVIDIA nForce2 Ultra 400 + MCP-T
FSB: 400/333/266/200MHz
RAM: 3x DIMM for Dual-Channel DDR400/333/266 Max 3GB
IDE: 2x ATA 133 up to 4 Devices
Slots: 1x AGP Pro/8X, 5x PCI, 1x Wi-Fi
Ports: 2xPS2,1xLPT,1xCOM,2xLAN,6xUSB2.0(Rear 4),SPDIF Out,Audio Ports
Onboard Audio: Realtek ALC650 6-Channel Codec
Onboard LAN: Realtek 8201BL 10/100Mbps + Marvell 88E8001 GbE
Onboard SATA/RAID: 2x Serial ATA by Silicon Image Sil3112A, RAID 0/1
Form Factor: ATX
$99

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and the processor will be

AMD Athlon XP 2500+ "Barton", 333 FSB, 512K Cache Processor - Retail
(limit 5 per customer)
- Specifications -
Model: AMD Athlon XP 2500+
Core: Barton
Operating Frequency: 1.83GHz
FSB: 333MHz
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/512K
Voltage: 1.65V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket A
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Packaging: Retail Box (Heatsink and Fan included)
$80


ok the AMD will save at least $110....now for the cases and power supply...and fan.....can someome suggest me a good case + power supply + fan? should i buy separately or as a bundle...thx for the help again everybody

[tesco]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@1 July 2004 - 22:10
IF he wants to spend around $1000 buy a 2500XP with an Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe, with 2X512MB of ram..from corsair or mushkin..get some good stuff, then buy an ATI X800XT PE and that should be under $1000, I think.  If not get 2X256MB of ram lol it would be an awesome computer.
x800xt to play NFSU and watch DVDs :blink:

1gig of ram. :blink:

He'd be better off going with a nice 17" or 19" LCD with the money he saves from not buying 1gig of ram and not buying an x800xt. :P

edit: XxKrNxStyLeZxX, go with the deluxe of that board if you can afford it.

or, a better option (some say it has more features than teh asus boards) is the abit NF7-S, or a cheaper alternative, also good, is the gigabyte 7N400L pro.

[clocker]

You want the last one- the "deluxe".
It has excellent on-board sound and supports SATA.

Buy your case and PSU separately...that way you know what your getting.
Too many "combos" have dodgy, no-name PSUs included.

Buy the "retail" Barton and use the supplied AMD heatsink.
If you wish, you can cheaply add an 80mm fan to the sink and increase it's performance.

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

hmm...ok now it is

ABIT "NF7-S" nForce2 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU -RETAIL
**NON-REFUNDABLE ITEM.Warranty is provided through product Manufacturer Only! (limit 1 per customer)
- Specifications -
Supported CPU: AMD Duron/Athlon/Athlon XP Processors
Chipset: NVIDIA nForce2 SPP + MCP-T
FSB: 400/333/266MHz
RAM: 3x DIMM for DDR333/266 Max 3GB, 2x DIMM for DDR400 Max 2GB
IDE: 2x ATA 133 up to 4 Devices
Slots: 1x AGP 8X/4X, 5x PCI
Ports: 2xPS/2,2xCOM,1xLPT,SPDIF Out,6xUSB2.0(Rear 2),1xLAN,Audio Ports
Onboard Audio: nVIDIA SoundStorm APU(Dolby 5.1) + 6-Channel AC97 CODEC
Onboard LAN: 10/100Mbps Fast Ethernet
Onboard SATA/RAID: 2x Serial ATA, RAID 0/1
Onboard 1394: 2 Ports
Form Factor: ATX
$82

VS.

the deluxe....

i guess ill just pick a case that looks good and look at the other power supply thread and pick that. Can someone tell me of a good fan that is quiet but is still effective? My fan right now is so freaking loud...it annoys me greatly...

oh and should i be looking at 400 watt PSU or 300 or...what?

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004+1 July 2004 - 21:33--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ROSSCO_2004 @ 1 July 2004 - 21:33)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@1 July 2004 - 22:10
IF he wants to spend around &#036;1000 buy a 2500XP with an Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe, with 2X512MB of ram..from corsair or mushkin..get some good stuff, then buy an ATI X800XT PE and that should be under &#036;1000, I think. If not get 2X256MB of ram lol it would be an awesome computer.
x800xt to play NFSU and watch DVDs :blink:

1gig of ram. :blink:

He&#39;d be better off going with a nice 17" or 19" LCD with the money he saves from not buying 1gig of ram and not buying an x800xt. :P

edit: XxKrNxStyLeZxX, go with the deluxe of that board if you can afford it.

or, a better option (some say it has more features than teh asus boards) is the abit NF7-S, or a cheaper alternative, also good, is the gigabyte 7N400L pro. [/b][/quote]
I guess your right...lol :rolleyes: Im just dreamin of my system I guess

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

ok....i was looking at power supplies....but i have no idea what im looking at....all this voltage blah blah + - blah blah watts power.... the person in the other thread went with Zalamn ZM400A-APF...its like 80 dollars, isnt this a little expensive?can someone help me find a good power supply? and possibly some quiet and efficient fans?? i&#39;m so confused so im asking all these questions... sorry for all these questions but i dont wanna screw up with someone else&#39;s money.....thanks again everyone&#33;

[tesco]

Originally posted by XxKrNxStyLeZxX@1 July 2004 - 23:04
ok....i was looking at power supplies....but i have no idea what im looking at....all this voltage blah blah + - blah blah watts power.... the person in the other thread went with Zalamn ZM400A-APF...its like 80 dollars, isnt this a little expensive?can someone help me find a good power supply? and possibly some quiet and efficient fans?? i&#39;m so confused so im asking all these questions... sorry for all these questions but i dont wanna screw up with someone else&#39;s money.....thanks again everyone&#33;
Enermax is a good brand. I have a 450watt anermax power supply, was about 60 or 70 canadian...can&#39;t really remember. :unsure: that&#39;s like 50 US i think.

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

ENERMAX 350W Power Supply (with Copper Shielding for better EMI reduction) for AMD K7 & Pentium4, Model "EG365P-VE(FC)"
- Specifications -
Type: ATX
Maximum Power: 350W
PFC: No
Power Good Signal: Not Specified
Hold-up Time: 17ms min.
Efficiency: 70% min.
Over Voltage Protection: +5V 5.6- 6.9V; +3.3V 3.7- 4.5V; +5VSB 5.6- 6.9V
Overload Protection: 105%~ 160%
Input Voltage: 90V~ 135V AC or 180V~ 265V AC
Input Frequency Range: 47Hz- 63Hz
Input Current: 10A/6A
Output: +3.3V@32A; +5V@32A; -5V@1A; +12V@26A; -12V@1A; [email protected]
MTBF: 100K hours at 25ºC
Approvals: UL CUL VDE DEMKO NEMKO SEMKO FIMKO
&#036;52


will this work with the set up i will have?? it doesnt say for AMD XP....or how about......


Antec P4 ATX12V 400 Watt Power Supply With 2 Fans, Model "SL400" -RETAIL
Specifications:
Type: ATX
Maximum Power: 400W
PFC: No
Power Good Signal: 100-500ms
Hold-up Time: < 17ms at Full Load
Hold-up Time: < 17ms at Full Load
Efficiency: >=68%
Over Voltage Protection: +5V trip point<+6.5V;+3.3V trip point<+4.1V;+12V trip point<+15.6V
Overload Protection: Latching Protection+5V @<53A;+3.3V @ <48A;+12V @ <23A
Input Voltage: 115 VAC / 230VAC
Input Frequency Range: 47-63 Hz
Input Current: 10A for 115VAC;5.0A for 230VAC
Output: +3.3V@28A;+5V@38A;[email protected];+12V@18A;[email protected];+5VSB@2A
&#036;55

seems expensive for a power supply...i guess the &#036;100 i saved because of AMD will go on this....and a case....and the fans...oh yea can someone recommend me which fans to use? maybe not too expensive but quiet? i think 2 will do....thx

[clocker]

seems expensive for a power supply...i guess the &#036;100 i saved because of AMD will go on this
Of course, you would have had to spend this with the Intel, too.
If you go with the higher wattage PSU, your friend will have some room to upgrade in the future ( especially important for video cards as they are growing more power hungry with each new generation).

Fans...If at all possible use 120s.
They move more air with less noise.
Panaflo&#39;s and Sunon&#39;s are two brands that I&#39;ve tried that work well.

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

120mm? most of the cases i looked at have 80mm fans...can someone give me a specific model of power supply that will fit this 2500 xp+?? and maybe a fan?

[zapjb]

Antec SLK3700AMB &#036;64 otd @newegg. :01:

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

too plain ;)

you know i think i found a good power supply....

Thermaltake W0014 Silent Purepower 480W with Black housing - Xaser Edition ATX 2-Fan Power Supply
- Specifications -
Type: ATX
Maximum Power: 480W
PFC: No
Power Good Signal: 100-500ms
Hold-up Time: >16ms at Full Load
Efficiency: >65%
Over Voltage Protection: +5V trip point<+6.8V;+3.3V trip point<+4.5V;+12V trip point<+15.6V
Overload Protection: Not specified
Input Voltage: 100-240 Vrms
Input Frequency Range: 47Hz-63Hz
Input Current: 8A
Output: +3.3V@30A;+5V@40A;[email protected];+12V@18A;[email protected];+5VSB@2A
MTBF: Not specified
Approvals: Not specified
&#036;55


you guys think this will work with my set up??

[tesco]

Originally posted by XxKrNxStyLeZxX@2 July 2004 - 00:52
too plain ;)

you know i think i found a good power supply....

Thermaltake W0014 Silent Purepower 480W with Black housing - Xaser Edition ATX 2-Fan Power Supply
- Specifications -
Type: ATX
Maximum Power: 480W
PFC: No
Power Good Signal: 100-500ms
Hold-up Time: >16ms at Full Load
Efficiency: >65%
Over Voltage Protection: +5V trip point<+6.8V;+3.3V trip point<+4.5V;+12V trip point<+15.6V
Overload Protection: Not specified
Input Voltage: 100-240 Vrms
Input Frequency Range: 47Hz-63Hz
Input Current: 8A
Output: +3.3V@30A;+5V@40A;[email protected];+12V@18A;[email protected];+5VSB@2A
MTBF: Not specified
Approvals: Not specified
&#036;55


you guys think this will work with my set up??
Looks fine.

Pretty much all power supplys coming out these days will support both AMD and P4. :)

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

i&#39;ve been thinking...it seems that the 64bit 2800+ is about the same price as the 2.8ghz HT.....should i just go for the 64bit so he wont have to upgrade to it later on? i heard processors and programs will use this new technology pretty soon....or should i stick with the 2500+...or 2800+ which is &#036;30 more expensive....and can someone find me a case thats not plain and ugly without powersupply or fans for about &#036;30-40?? i cant seem to find one without a powersupply...

[Super Dude]

Originally posted by XxKrNxStyLeZxX@2 July 2004 - 18:35
i&#39;ve been thinking...it seems that the 64bit 2800+ is about the same price as the 2.8ghz HT.....should i just go for the 64bit so he wont have to upgrade to it later on? i heard processors and programs will use this new technology pretty soon....or should i stick with the 2500+...or 2800+ which is &#036;30 more expensive....and can someone find me a case thats not plain and ugly without powersupply or fans for about &#036;30-40?? i cant seem to find one without a powersupply...
You might want to get the Amd Mobile Athlon 64 2800+, for &#036;187 - Here (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-447&depa=0) - if you&#39;re looking to get an Athlon 64 CPU.It can easily be overclocked to an Athlon 64 3700+ (2.4Ghz) speeds, with good air cooling, of course.Get a Gigabyte GA-K8N-Pro (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-128-200&depa=0) for the motherboard.

Since you friend doesn&#39;t play games that much, I suppose he&#39;ll be happy with an inexpensive GF4 Ti4200 (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=14-145-031&depa=0).

Clocker and others have had many experiences with cases, perhaps they might enlighten you on which case you should get.Go with a Fortron 530Watt (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-104-968&depa=0) for the PSU.

And as for the LCD monitor, don&#39;t go cheap on it.You get what you pay for, and since your friend is going to watch alot of movies on it, he wouldn&#39;t want the LCD to have too much ghosting.The Viewsonic VE500 15" LCD Monitor (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=24-116-211&depa=0) looks impressive.It has a 16ms response time, and priced at &#036;369.

[orcutt989]

Why does he need a 2.8 ghz processor??

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

Originally posted by Super Dude+2 July 2004 - 20:43--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Super Dude @ 2 July 2004 - 20:43)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-XxKrNxStyLeZxX@2 July 2004 - 18:35
i&#39;ve been thinking...it seems that the 64bit 2800+ is about the same price as the 2.8ghz HT.....should i just go for the 64bit so he wont have to upgrade to it later on? i heard processors and programs will use this new technology pretty soon....or should i stick with the 2500+...or 2800+ which is &#036;30 more expensive....and can someone find me a case thats not plain and ugly without powersupply or fans for about &#036;30-40?? i cant seem to find one without a powersupply...
You might want to get the Amd Mobile Athlon 64 2800+, for &#036;187 - Here (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-447&depa=0) - if you&#39;re looking to get an Athlon 64 CPU.It can easily be overclocked to an Athlon 64 3700+ (2.4Ghz) speeds, with good air cooling, of course.Get a Gigabyte GA-K8N-Pro (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-128-200&depa=0) for the motherboard.

Since you friend doesn&#39;t play games that much, I suppose he&#39;ll be happy with an inexpensive GF4 Ti4200 (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=14-145-031&depa=0).

Clocker and others have had many experiences with cases, perhaps they might enlighten you on which case you should get.Go with a Fortron 530Watt (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-104-968&depa=0) for the PSU.

And as for the LCD monitor, don&#39;t go cheap on it.You get what you pay for, and since your friend is going to watch alot of movies on it, he wouldn&#39;t want the LCD to have too much ghosting.The Viewsonic VE500 15" LCD Monitor (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=24-116-211&depa=0) looks impressive.It has a 16ms response time, and priced at &#036;369. [/b][/quote]
thx for the response...im not looking to overclock it at all....so why would i need a mobile instead of the normal one? and for the LCD i think ill stick with Samsung...and i decided to go with the ATI 9600PRO which is like &#036;120....and i still cant find a case so i was thinking....how crappy are those PSU&#39;s that come with the cases already? Case with PSU (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=935378&Sku=D15-1015)

that case is &#036;50, looks pretty good, and already has a P4 Ready/AMD Approved PSU. Does this mean its a good PSU? cuz the power source i was originally gonna get is &#036;55 + i haev to find a case....I dun think he&#39;ll really NEED all this power, but maybe with all of it, he&#39;ll try some new things, like games, with it. Also, this will keep him from upgrading his computer for a while....

[clocker]

"P4 ready,AMD approved" means almost nothing.
"P4 ready" indicates that the PSU wiring loom has the 4-pin connector that Intel boards ( and some AMD boards, as well) use.
I don&#39;t even know what you have to do to be "AMD approved".

That claim, in and of itself, is NO indication of the quality of the PSU.

Think about it...all the separate brand name units you were looking at ( even the one you dismissed as "too plain") were &#036;50 and higher.
Now you are looking at a bundle for &#036;50 (link didn&#39;t work for me so I don&#39;t know what it was exactly)....either they are giving the case away for free with a good PSU, OR ( more likely), the quality of the PSU has been reduced to fit the price.

PSU Buyer&#39;s Guide. (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=232592)
Read, learn, decide for yourself.

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

hmm....dun get the "explanation"...ill just go with the thermaltake and get a cheap case....

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

Also, I decided to go with the 64 2800+...will the Abit NF7-S work with this? or do i need another motherboard?

[clocker]

XxKrNxStyLeZxX,

Not to sound crabby or anything, but there is a big difference between "helping you out" and "doing all the work for you".

You are cheating yourself out of an education by not attempting at least minimal research on your own.
Plus, you are cheating us out of any discoveries you may make.

The Forum ( particularly Hardware World) works best when there is some give and take....

[zapjb]

No cake for him. :lol:

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

you know what...yor right...i know ive been asking lots of questions i should have looked for.........this is all so confusing to me tho....hmmm so i found out i need a new motherboard.....can someone tell me if CHAINTECH is a good reliable company like asus or abit??? newegg.com has a great deal on it if you purchase it with the processor...

[tesco]

Originally posted by XxKrNxStyLeZxX@2 July 2004 - 22:27
you know what...yor right...i know ive been asking lots of questions i should have looked for.........this is all so confusing to me tho....hmmm so i found out i need a new motherboard.....can someone tell me if CHAINTECH is a good reliable company like asus or abit??? newegg.com has a great deal on it if you purchase it with the processor...
I&#39;ve heard that they make a couple of good boards, but the rest are crap. Therefore i wouldn&#39;t trust them. ;)

But, as clocker says, everything you read on the internet isn&#39;t always true. :P

[clocker]

XxKrNxStyLeZxX,spend some time here to research motherboards. (http://www.ocforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=5)

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

Originally posted by clocker@3 July 2004 - 05:03
XxKrNxStyLeZxX,spend some time here to research motherboards. (http://www.ocforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=5)
oooooo thx, i think thatll help alot

[clocker]

Sure.

I&#39;m not a total asshole.

[lee551]

Originally posted by clocker@3 July 2004 - 05:07
Sure.

I&#39;m not a total asshole.
clocker, i dont think you&#39;re an asshole :D

[tesco]

Originally posted by lee551+3 July 2004 - 14:18--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lee551 @ 3 July 2004 - 14:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-clocker@3 July 2004 - 05:07
Sure.

I&#39;m not a total asshole.
clocker, i dont think you&#39;re an asshole :D [/b][/quote]
Suck-up. <_<


:P JK. :lol:

[Spicker]

another case off....

Insert Spoon Open Mouth :lol:

[lee551]

figured i better start sometime&#33; :lol: :P

[clocker]

Originally posted by lee551@3 July 2004 - 13:59
figured i better start sometime&#33; :lol: :P
Good move.

It&#39;s never too soon to get on Clocker&#39;s good side.

After all, I shall soon be a full fledged 5 star warrior poster, capable of leaping tall buildings in a single bound, outrunning a train and wooing fair maidens.

In mime, no less.

Stick with me kid, you&#39;ll go far.

[tesco]

Originally posted by clocker@3 July 2004 - 22:35
I shall soon be a full fledged 5 star warrior poster
75 posts left&#33; :o

for me, umm, probably like a thousand. :(

[clocker]

Indeed.

Almost time for the smilie response blitz which will put me over the top.

Hell, I could hit the lounge and be there in an hour.

But where&#39;s the honor in that?

Better to slog it out up here, offering up trenchant bits of wisdom and advice to the needy, tending my flock.



Boy, the miming just can&#39;t start too soon....

[Tormentor]

Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004+2 July 2004 - 21:14--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ROSSCO_2004 @ 2 July 2004 - 21:14)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-XxKrNxStyLeZxX@2 July 2004 - 22:27
you know what...yor right...i know ive been asking lots of questions i should have looked for.........this is all so confusing to me tho....hmmm so i found out i need a new motherboard.....can someone tell me if CHAINTECH is a good reliable company like asus or abit??? newegg.com has a great deal on it if you purchase it with the processor...
I&#39;ve heard that they make a couple of good boards, but the rest are crap. Therefore i wouldn&#39;t trust them. ;)

But, as clocker says, everything you read on the internet isn&#39;t always true. :P [/b][/quote]
Ya they have made some good quality boards in there time such as the chaintech 7nif2. But I have heard alot of bad things on some of there other boards so I also wouldnt trust them.