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[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

Ok i have spent a few days trying to think about what to get...and heres what i came up with....

AMD Athlon XP 2800+ " Barton", 333MHz FSB, 512K Cache Processor – Retail $121

ABIT "NF7-S" nForce2 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU -RETAIL $82

Seagate 120GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model ST3120026A, OEM $92

NEC 8X Black DVD+RW/-RW Drive, Model ND-2500A, OEM Bulk $72

SONY Black 1.44MB 3.5inch Floppy Disk Drive, Model MPF920, OEM $10

Thermaltake W0014 Silent Purepower 480W with Black housing - Xaser Edition ATX 2-Fan Power Supply $55

Crucial 184 Pin 256MB DDR PC-3200 4T - OEM x 2 $104

CoolerMaster Blue 80mm Neon LED Fan, Model "TLF-R82" -RETAIL x 2 $15


i havent decided on the case yet but im thinking about these...

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc....-138-033&DEPA=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=11-138-033&DEPA=1)

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-156-018&depa=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-156-018&depa=1)

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-156-023&depa=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-156-023&depa=1)

http://www.xoxide.com/jetmaster.html (wouldnt buy the extra fans i listed ^)

http://www.xoxide.com/armorcase.html (wouldnt buy the extra fans i listed ^)

well all of this combined makes just a bit over $700...i spent alot of time trying to figure out which components to use and i thank all of you that helped me. I'm asking if this would be a good system to build like this. Now if you guys have any advice on making it cheaper, or better for the same price, please do tell me. thx

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

oo i think i found the case im gonna buy...includes 2 fans...very cheap and nice looking too at $42 and free shipping

http://www.mpcparts.com/skuinfo.asp?sku=50517

[bigdawgfoxx]

Care for any graphics with that? You need a graphics card man! Or you got one?

I can build a good computer for bout 600ish...but urs seems ok...you just need a graphics card

[SingaBoiy]

CPU's (http://www.dumpinggoods.com/dumpinggoods/items.asp?CartId=7534-ACCWARE-831TXMWT520&Cc=AMD&tpc=)

Western Digital 200 gig HDD (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=423018)

[clocker]

Looks nice...good work.

You know, with that board you can use the SATA drive you were first looking at.
If nothing else, the cabling is easier.

Edit:
Can't say I care much for any of the cases, but that's down to personal taste, I suppose.
One bonus for you...if you get a case that comes with a PSU, then YOU'LL have a spare- very handy for testing and as a backup.

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

oh oops im getting the POWERCOLOR ATI RADEON 9600PRO Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "R96A-C3N" -RETAIL for $125....but i see that the 256MB one is only $3 more than the 128mb...whats up with that?

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POWERCOLOR ATI RADEON 9600PRO Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "R96A-C3N" -RETAIL $125
- Specifications -
Chipset/Core Speed: ATI RADEON 9600PRO/400MHz
Memory/Effective Speed: 128MB DDR/600MHz
BUS: AGP 1X/2X/4X/8X
Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub)+TV-Out(S-Video Out)+DVI connector
Support 3D API: DirectX®9, OpenGL®2.0
Cable/Accessories: 3 Cables, 2 CD, Manual
Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048x1536@85Hz
Retail Box (See pics for details)


POWERCOLOR ATI RADEON 9600PRO Video Card, 256MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "R96-D3G" -RETAIL $128
- Specifications -
Chipset/Core Speed: ATI RADEON 9600PRO/400MHz
Memory/Effective Speed: 256MB DDR/400MHz
BUS: AGP 2X/4X/8X
Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub)+TV-Out(S-Video)+DVI connector
Support 3D API: DirectX®9, OpenGL®2.0
Cable/Accessories: VGA via DVI Adapter, 3 Cables, 2 CD, Manual
Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536@85Hz
Retail Box (See pics for details)
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oh and is the SATA harder to install?i havent done SATA before so i dunno how to do it. and are there any disadvantages? and im guessing this is the power adapter i need? "6-Inch, SATA ( SERIAL ATA Power Adapter ) SERIAL ATA(15-Pin) to 4-Pin to Power Supply" thx

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Seagate 80GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model ST380013AS, OEM
Specifications:
Capacity: 80GB
Average Seek Time: 8.5 ms
Buffer: 8MB
Rotational Speed: 7200 RPM
Interface: Serial ATA
Features: 3D Defense System
Manufacturer Warranty: 1 year
Packaging: OEM, Requires additional Power adapter

[kaiweiler]

the 256mb one will offer you no performance boost over the 128mb one, if naything your performance could decrease. this is because no games today use even the full 128mb of video memory, making having 256mb of it a total waste. also the decrease could occur because it is known that when a company puts 256mb video memory into a card, they use lower quality memory, making it actually slower then the 128mb of high quality video memory.
definatly get the 128mb version and not the 256mb

[clocker]

You PSU already comes with the proper SATA power connector.
You won't need the adaptor.
After the HDD is physiacally connected, you will need to enable "boot from SATA HDD" in the BIOS and install the drivers from the floppy disc included with the board.

Other than that it's no different than working with a regular PATA drive.
If you ( or your friend) have no use for the Serillel PATA/SATA adaptor included with the board, please let me know.

[Super Dude]

Not bad :).

Which LCD are you getting? Please, do read this guide (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=195630) before you get a LCD.

Edit: Oopsy daisy.Didn't noticed the "256 mb x2".

[tesco]

Originally posted by Super Dude@4 July 2004 - 15:49
Try getting 512 mbs of ram, to get a "smoother performance" in Windows Xp.
It's 256mb X2 (2 256mb sticks, 512mb). :)

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

Originally posted by Super Dude@4 July 2004 - 20:49
Not bad :).

Which LCD are you getting? Please, do read this guide (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=195630) before you get a LCD.

Edit: Oopsy daisy.Didn't noticed the "256 mb x2".
hmm thx for the guide...but its like more than a year old...havent things changed since then?? shouldnt it be better now than a year ago? i'm looking to get a 15'' Samsung for about $300...but there are so many models, and i dunno which models are the newest and the best...

[clocker]

Aren't you working within a fairly tight budget?

"Newest and best" would be irrelevant to you if so.

"What can I get for the money I have left" is the model you are looking for.

[Super Dude]

Originally posted by XxKrNxStyLeZxX+4 July 2004 - 22:27--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (XxKrNxStyLeZxX &#064; 4 July 2004 - 22:27)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Super Dude@4 July 2004 - 20:49
Not bad :).

Which LCD are you getting? Please, do read this guide (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=195630) before you get a LCD.

Edit: Oopsy daisy.Didn&#39;t noticed the "256 mb x2".
hmm thx for the guide...but its like more than a year old...havent things changed since then?? shouldnt it be better now than a year ago? i&#39;m looking to get a 15&#39;&#39; Samsung for about &#036;300...but there are so many models, and i dunno which models are the newest and the best...[/b][/quote]
It actually doesn&#39;t matter if the guide was 1 yr ago - If you read it, you would get an idea of what to look for, when looking for a quality LCD.

Samsung makes good monitors, but I don&#39;t think you&#39;d find a good 15" Samsung LCD, with a 16ms response time.Remember, your friend will be watching lots of movies, and LCDs are completely different from CRTs - you dont have ghosting effects in CRTs, but it&#39;s a different matter when it comes to LCDs - so it&#39;s important that you buy a LCD which has a 16ms or lower response time, to ensure a nice experience when watching movies.

IMO, I think it&#39;d be a waste of money, if you spent &#036;300 on a cheap 15" LCD, and get horrible ghosting effects - Either get a good high end CRT monitor, or add &#036;70 and get this 15" ViewSonic VE500 LCD monitor (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=24-116-211&depa=0) :

It&#39;s the best 15" LCD available at NewEgg.

Champaigne would fall from the Heavens, doors would open, girls would kill to sleep with you, your eyes will thank you.

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

hmm ok...clocker how do you know my psu already comes with the SATA power thing and i dun need to buy the power adapter? i dont see anything about SATA in the specs...

oh and i dunno if he&#39;ll watch that many movies....i&#39;m seeing some 24ms and stuff...would that be really bad for movies? but it would be okay for normal things right??

[Super Dude]

Originally posted by XxKrNxStyLeZxX@5 July 2004 - 06:18
oh and i dunno if he&#39;ll watch that many movies....i&#39;m seeing some 24ms and stuff...would that be really bad for movies? but it would be okay for normal things right??
Ok, well you said in your previous thread...


This person I&#39;m making the computer for doesn&#39;t use the computer too much and doesn&#39;t know much about it. He will only play 1 game - Need for Speed:underground, but will watch DVDs so I don&#39;t think the video card has to be that good.

I&#39;ve read many reviews on forums by people who have had LCDs with 16 and 12ms response time - and even with those response times, there was still some slight ghosting effects.So you could imagine how 25ms response times would perform.

It&#39;s your call.

Try getting the LCD from this website (http://www.monitorsdirect.com/), instead of NewEgg.They have an excellent "Risk Free" and RMA policy - check this out. (http://www.monitorsdirect.com/before/why_buy/guarantee.shtml)I couldn&#39;t find the ViewSonic VE500 there, but try searching for other LCDs with at least a 16ms response time.With Monitor Direct&#39;s excellent "Risk Free" policy, you could try getting a LCD with 25ms response time - play with the monitor, watch some movies on it and if you can&#39;t handle the ghosting effects, return it, and get a better LCD.

IMO, you&#39;d save more money by gettting a 2500+ instead of the 2800+ - because you wouldn&#39;t notice any significant increase in performance anyway.And since your friend doesn&#39;t play games that much, perhaps you should consider getting a cheaper VGA card for him.Save the money for a decent LCD.


clocker how do you know my psu already comes with the SATA power thing and i dun need to buy the power adapter?

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[clocker]

Originally posted by XxKrNxStyLeZxX@4 July 2004 - 23:18
hmm ok...clocker how do you know my psu already comes with the SATA power thing and i dun need to buy the power adapter? i dont see anything about SATA in the specs...

oh and i dunno if he&#39;ll watch that many movies....i&#39;m seeing some 24ms and stuff...would that be really bad for movies? but it would be okay for normal things right??

Feature: Designed for AMD K7 and Intel ATX +12V 1.1 and ATX 2.03 version (Fully Support Pentium 4). Serial ATA (Advanced Technology Attachment). Peak Output : 550W. 2 adjustable manual fan speed control in the front and rear side of the case. (from 1300 rpm at 25oC~ 4800 rpm at 90oC): 1. Control in Front: 5.25" drive bay. 2. Control in Rear: PCI card slot. Temperature Automatic Fan Speed Control. Noise : 17 dBA at 1300 rpm, 45 dB at 4800 rpm. Dual fans power supply. Xaser badge on side panel. Black / Silver color printing.

This is what tipped me off.

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

oooh i just found that on xpcgear or whatever .com....hmm ill tell him that he nneds to spend around &#036;400 to get a decent monitor and it&#39;ll be a good investment because he&#39;ll use it for a long time....and guess what i fouunndddd

samsung 710N

Display Colors 16.7 million
Brightness 300 cd/m²
Pixel Pitch 0.264 mm
Contrast Ratio 600:1
Viewable Screen Size 17 inches
Display Type LCD Active Matrix TFT






annnnndddd






Response Time 12 ms


ok i see that people in pricegrabber are selling this for at least &#036;450.....buuuttttt i found a great deal i think for 380 freaking dollars(after rebate but who cares)

i think ill tell him to go with this.....

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...7&Sku=S203-1708 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=923567&Sku=S203-1708)

and superedude.....i dunno what yor deal with smilies are but its COOL B)

[Super Dude]

Originally posted by XxKrNxStyLeZxX@5 July 2004 - 15:53
oooh i just found that on xpcgear or whatever .com....hmm ill tell him that he nneds to spend around &#036;400 to get a decent monitor and it&#39;ll be a good investment because he&#39;ll use it for a long time....and guess what i fouunndddd

samsung 710N

Display Colors 16.7 million
Brightness 300 cd/m²
Pixel Pitch 0.264 mm
Contrast Ratio 600:1
Viewable Screen Size 17 inches
Display Type LCD Active Matrix TFT






annnnndddd






Response Time 12 ms


ok i see that people in pricegrabber are selling this for at least &#036;450.....buuuttttt i found a great deal i think for 380 freaking dollars(after rebate but who cares)

i think ill tell him to go with this.....

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...7&Sku=S203-1708 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=923567&Sku=S203-1708)

and superedude.....i dunno what yor deal with smilies are but its COOL B)
Excellent choice for the LCD :)&#33; The price was quite shocking to me...for &#036;380, that should be the cheapest 12ms LCD around.NewEgg and other retailers are selling it for more than &#036;400, so it&#39;s a good deal.

Though, there&#39;s a 710T model - basically the specs are the same as the 710N, only difference is, the 710N is using an analog signal and the 710T, a DVI - and people who have it are saying it&#39;s one of the best LCDs out there for games.

I&#39;d say go for it, it&#39;s an excellent LCD.

Good luck :)

[clocker]

XxKrNxStyLeZxX,

See?
Doing some research on your own DOES pay off.

I think I deserve an LCD monitor for the advice.
Order two, please.

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

Originally posted by clocker@5 July 2004 - 22:37
XxKrNxStyLeZxX,

See?
Doing some research on your own DOES pay off.

I think I deserve an LCD monitor for the advice.
Order two, please.
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sure let me just get out the visa

[clocker]

Don&#39;t bother me with the details.

Just let me know when it comes in.

[tesco]

Originally posted by clocker@5 July 2004 - 21:12
Don&#39;t bother me with the details.

Just let me know when it comes in.
It has come. :)











:P JK, not yet.

[XxKrNxStyLeZxX]

oh can i get you guys a 60&#39;&#39; Plasma Screen(Samsung) with that??

[tesco]

Originally posted by XxKrNxStyLeZxX@6 July 2004 - 00:53
oh can i get you guys a 60&#39;&#39; Plasma Screen(Samsung) with that??
meh, that little thing wouuld just be getting in the way of my PI (Personal Imax).


I&#39;d just give it away to a charity or something. :smilie4:

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