Top Shelfers

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Ok I had to think about this, top shelf mags, these are not just porn like Fiesta, playboy etc, what about Nuts, Zoo, Bizzarre, FHM?
Now I ain't no prude, you all know me, but none of these mags have any age restriction on them, nor do the porn mags, yet a 10 y/o cannot buy Playboy, yet he/she can buy Bizzarre which not only has soft porn, but more importantly some sick stuff, pictures of injured people, a guy with a tree branch thru his chest for example, ok most 14 y/o boys would find this "Cool" but what about a 8 y/o?
they can buy them.

What you guys think? :)

Jonno B)

[DanB]

I think this should be in Talk Club :P

[JONNO_CELEBS]

STFU, I don&#39;t do "Outside The Lounge" <_<

I have a note from my mum :)

Jonno B)

[MicroScreen2]

dude&#33; hats not shocking if youve seen what girls start reading at 10, and what about the soft porn in pop videos? shouldn&#39;t that be restricted?

[JONNO_CELEBS]

What soft porn would that be?
I don&#39;t recall many pop vids with oiled up topless girls snogging in a pool in it without a certificate :blink:

Besides, I&#39;m refering more to the content for really young kids, would you want your 10 y/o looking at a fresh car crash? or a woman who&#39;s just had her lips and ears cut off? a guy with his penis stitched to his belly button? Some of that stuff turns even my stomach and I&#39;ve seen some nasty shit believe me. I just think these mags should carry a warning, you post pics like that on here and see what happens :)

Jonno B)

[MicroScreen2]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@8 July 2004 - 23:19
What soft porn would that be?
I don&#39;t recall many pop vids with oiled up topless girls snogging in a pool in it without a certificate :blink:

Besides, I&#39;m refering more to the content for really young kids, would you want your 10 y/o looking at a fresh car crash? or a woman who&#39;s just had her lips and ears cut off? a guy with his penis stitched to his belly button? Some of that stuff turns even my stomach and I&#39;ve seen some nasty shit believe me. I just think these mags should carry a warning, you post pics like that on here and see what happens :)

Jonno B)
i think its healthy for kids to see some of that stuff. i dont mean go buy em some snuff movies but if you wrap em up in cotton wool, they&#39;ll freak when something bad actually happens.


about the pop-music thing, is it really that different if there nipples are covered and the camera cuts away at the last second? is it not worse when songs aimed at children are blatently about sex?

[Mathea]

where can i get this mag?

[MicroScreen2]

Originally posted by Mathea@8 July 2004 - 23:25
where can i get this mag?
theyre a new type of mens mag. imagine a womens weekly aimed at men

[manker]

ehhh they see much worse than that typing "wank" into google cause their dumbass parents dont know how to restrict their internet access.

but in relation to magazines such as FHM, Loaded and Front, I&#39;m pretty pissed off that they are put on the top shelf to begin with. they&#39;re not pr0n, I like to read lad&#39;s mags because they&#39;re entertaining yet I have to endure the stares of the elderly when I remove them from the mucky section AND the oriental lady behind the counter insists on putting it into a brown paper bag despite my monthly protest :angry:

[JONNO_CELEBS]

@MicroScreen2.......I&#39;m sorry, I&#39;m not wrapping anything in cotton wool, there&#39;s nothing wrong with anyone going thru their entire life without ever seeing a mangled human being or seriously deformed child, especially a child, you may as well say abolish certs on movies, let a 5 y/o watch Romper Stomper or Hellraiser, I&#39;m sure that would&#39;nt effect them at all :rolleyes:
There&#39;s a major difference between wrapping in cotton wool and not letting them see disturbing pictures.

@Mathea....... Zoo...Nuts...Loaded...Bizzarre and a few others :)

@Manker......They are on the top shelf so small children can&#39;t see them, this is my whole point, it&#39;s not just the sex stuff, it&#39;s more the drugs, and sick pics, seriously twisted (yet real funny) jokes, would you think it funny for a small boy to tell you a joke about 3 blones wanking in a restraunt, when the waitress asks them why, one replies "It said first cum first serve", Now I think thats a crap joke anyway and just a example, but there are some good ones too :D
Just not for young eyes

Jonno B)

[Mathea]

yeah but bizarre ive heard of before


i want one

[MicroScreen2]

IMO these mags are crap, the jokes aren&#39;t funny. i&#39;m really not turned on by this whole "lad" thing. i just think your arguements weak and its safer for kids, anybody in fact to see gore in a magazine before real life

[Cheese]

I&#39;d imagine a child is more likely to see this magazine by finding it in an elder siblings room or some such than to go and buy it themselves.

I always remember Bizarre had a &#39;Not to be sold to children&#39; label on it. Has this now changed?

[Proper Bo]

Originally posted by Withcheese@9 July 2004 - 00:42
I&#39;d imagine a child is more likely to see this magazine by finding it in an elder siblings room or some such than to go and buy it themselves.

I always remember Bizarre had a &#39;Not to be sold to children&#39; label on it. Has this now changed?
Mags do have the "not to be sold the children" on the front, I used to find it hell trying to buy viz...so I used to just lift a copy when picking up me papers for me paper round (back in the day that is, of course, I don&#39;t still do it (paper round or stealing viz) :lol: )

[JONNO_CELEBS]

My argument is&#39;nt weak, I&#39;m saying it&#39;s bad, I challenge you.

Post a sick pic on here, without warning, see what happens.

You&#39;re basically saying it&#39;s ok for a child to see someone with their face missing, most people will never see something like that IRL, and simply seeing it in a mag does&#39;nt brace you, I seen a million dead bodies on tv and films, but seeing one in real life, cold, grey, just staring at you, not breathing, nothing in a mag could ever prepare you for that so I&#39;m afraid it&#39;s not MY argument thats weak, it&#39;s your minds eye is closed.

@Cheese.......No, I witnessed a 10y/o buying FHM today :)
And Bizzarre has no warnings, none of them do, no warnings or guides or certs, this includes Porn.

Sorry Bo, checked about 15 today, nothing, anywhere to say do not sell to children etc

Jonno B)

[DanB]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 00:48
My argument is&#39;nt weak, I&#39;m saying it&#39;s bad, I challenge you.

Post a sick pic on here, without warning, see what happens.
What has posting a pic on here got to do with children buying magazines? :unsure:

[Proper Bo]

Viz says not for sale to children :blow:

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Originally posted by danb@8 July 2004 - 23:50

What has posting a pic on here got to do with children buying magazines? :unsure:
Well if it&#39;s not allowed on here, this being an open internet forum where pretty much anything goes, then it&#39;s shows what people think about it, JP posts ocasional stuff with a link which says something like "This may disturb" etc,
You guys can&#39;t seriously tell me you think it&#39;s ok for a young kid to see something that makes you feel sick?

@Bo......Good point, and thats a comic :)

Jonno B)

[Proper Bo]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 00:54

@Bo......Good point, and thats a comic :)

Jonno B)
Like me genius use of that smilie? :P

[MicroScreen2]

You&#39;re basically saying it&#39;s ok for a child to see someone with their face missing, most people will never see something like that IRL, and simply seeing it in a mag does&#39;nt brace you, I seen a million dead bodies on tv and films, but seeing one in real life, cold, grey, just staring at you, not breathing, nothing in a mag could ever prepare you for that so I&#39;m afraid it&#39;s not MY argument thats weak, it&#39;s your minds eye is closed.


minds eye? WTF?

let me get this straight most people arent gonna see dead body but you have?

i think chances are most of us will see a dead body, possibly mutilated one day.
think about it in an average life time 6 billion people will die. so that means a 1:1 chance of seeing a dead person in your life if you have a cumulative time of looking at one person for 24 hours a day. if you add up all the time you spend seeing people in town or on the bus or whatever you see one person for more than 24 hours in a day.

did o know that in training to be in the police o a soldier they actually make you look at photos of dead people?

[Cheese]

http://www.summitmedia.com.ph/images/magcovers/fhm.jpg

Bottom right corner.

[JONNO_CELEBS]

let me get this straight most people arent gonna see dead body but you have?

Read my post again :) I never said that, I said most people will never see someone with their face missing, I also said that simply seeing a dead body in a mag cannot prepare you for real life, it&#39;s different, what you&#39;re saying could be compared to watching porn is just like having sex.
Have you ever seen a dead body? Up close, so you can touch?


i think chances are most of us will see a dead body, possibly mutilated one day.

And you think it would be best to see this when you&#39;re a child?


did o know that in training to be in the police o a soldier they actually make you look at photos of dead people?

How many 8 y/o policemen or Forces recruits do you know?

@Cheese.......I read the 200th anniversary issue today, it did&#39;nt have that stamp on, but I did&#39;nt just say FHM :)

Jonno B)

[Cheese]

http://www.bizarremag.com/aahomepage/cover87.jpg

This one has a parental advisory sticker.

[MicroScreen2]

fate (whatever that is) doesn&#39;t give a shit how old you are

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Originally posted by MicroScreen2@9 July 2004 - 00:09
fate (whatever that is) doesn&#39;t give a shit how old you are
Ah, so you hav&#39;nt seen a dead body, nor do you know any 8 y/o policemen :)
In other words, you are just sticking up for mags with crap arguments, my original argument is this should&#39;nt be so easily available for young kids, Do you dissagree with that?
If so, what are your views on movies certification?

@Cheese.......Again, not any warning on the one I read today :)

Jonno B)

[Cheese]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 00:07
@Cheese.......I read the 200th anniversary issue today, it did&#39;nt have that stamp on, but I did&#39;nt just say FHM :)

Jonno B)

And Bizzarre has no warnings, none of them do, no warnings or guides or certs, this includes Porn.


Sorry Bo, checked about 15 today, nothing, anywhere to say do not sell to children etc

Just remind you what you&#39;ve already said because it looks like you forgot.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 00:12
@Cheese.......Again, not any warning on the one I read today :)

Jonno B)
So either you&#39;re full of shit or they just don&#39;t put warnings on the ones that get shipped to Sheringham.

[MicroScreen2]

i tthink it should be at the disgretion of the parents until the kids realise what they&#39;re getting into

no i havent seen any 8 year old pollice men and its none of your fucking business who or what ive seen dead or otherwise

[JONNO_CELEBS]

@Cheese......Erm, no, they all say the same :) None of the mags I read today had any warnings on them, all 3 of those quotes say the same thing :)

You find a pic on the net of a mag front, I&#39;m talking about the actual paper in my hand, in front of me, none of them had any warnings on them :)

@MS2........No need to swear at me, I&#39;m making a point, your argument holds no wieght.


Jonno B)

[manker]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS+9 July 2004 - 00:12--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JONNO_CELEBS @ 9 July 2004 - 00:12)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-MicroScreen2@9 July 2004 - 00:09
fate (whatever that is) doesn&#39;t give a shit how old you are
Ah, so you hav&#39;nt seen a dead body, nor do you know any 8 y/o policemen :)
In other words, you are just sticking up for mags with crap arguments, my original argument is this should&#39;nt be so easily available for young kids, Do you dissagree with that?
If so, what are your views on movies certification?

@Cheese.......Again, not any warning on the one I read today :)

Jonno B) [/b][/quote]
c&#39;mon jonno, if you&#39;re going to crusade against something then fight for better parental education with regard net filters.

give a child 5 minutes with an unfiltered google search and he will see more pr0n and gore than ever he or she could reading copies of FHM (or whatever) til his eyes bled.

IMO your average 10 year old, I&#39;m not talking sheltered tarquins or helenas here, would be pretty non-plussed by a copy of Loaded.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 00:17
Erm, no, they all say the same :) None of the mags I read today had any warnings on them, all 3 of those quotes say the same thing :)

You find a pic on the net of a mag front, I&#39;m talking about the actual paper in my hand, in front of me, none of them had any warnings on them :)

Jonno B)
Prove it.

[MicroScreen2]

give a child filtered google and they&#39;ll find sex and death

[MicroScreen2]

Originally posted by Withcheese+9 July 2004 - 00:19--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Withcheese @ 9 July 2004 - 00:19)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 00:17
Erm, no, they all say the same :) None of the mags I read today had any warnings on them, all 3 of those quotes say the same thing :)

You find a pic on the net of a mag front, I&#39;m talking about the actual paper in my hand, in front of me, none of them had any warnings on them :)

Jonno B)
Prove it. [/b][/quote]
i&#39;m guessing he picks up an fhm to put in the scanner and just notices the warning

[JONNO_CELEBS]

@Cheese.......Sorry, I&#39;m not spending £15 on mags to prove a point to anyone, I&#39;m telling you the truth, why would I lie?
Why would you acuse me of lying?

@Manker......I&#39;m not crusading, I like these mags, I just think it&#39;s wrong for it to be legal to buy, the net is different, there ARE ways to stop kids seeing that stuff :)

@MS2.......The above applies to you too :)

Jonno B)

[Cheese]

Originally posted by MicroScreen2+9 July 2004 - 00:21--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MicroScreen2 @ 9 July 2004 - 00:21)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Withcheese@9 July 2004 - 00:19
<!--QuoteBegin-JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 00:17
Erm, no, they all say the same :) None of the mags I read today had any warnings on them, all 3 of those quotes say the same thing :)

You find a pic on the net of a mag front, I&#39;m talking about the actual paper in my hand, in front of me, none of them had any warnings on them :)

Jonno B)
Prove it.
i&#39;m guessing he picks up an fhm to put in the scanner and just notices the warning [/b][/quote]
Does Bizarre still come in a wrapped cellophane erm...wrapping?

[MicroScreen2]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 00:21
@Cheese.......Sorry, I&#39;m not spending £15 on mags to prove a point to anyone, I&#39;m telling you the truth, why would I lie?
Why would you acuse me of lying?

@Manker......I&#39;m not crusading, I like these mags, I just think it&#39;s wrong for it to be legal to buy, the net is different, there ARE ways to stop kids seeing that stuff :)

@MS2.......The above applies to you too :)

Jonno B)
do you plan these discussions? cos you have a habit of starting them then gettting owned :blink:

[JONNO_CELEBS]

@Cheese..... No it does&#39;nt

@MS2..... I don&#39;t have one, I read them at work, that way I read them for free :D
And I ain&#39;t being owned, you&#39;re the one swearing and getting shirty, and you obviously have no children, and don&#39;t care what a child see&#39;s, I&#39;m guessing that means a child can see anything and it&#39;s ok in your eyes yes?

Jonno B)

[Cheese]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 00:21
@Cheese.......Sorry, I&#39;m not spending £15 on mags to prove a point to anyone, I&#39;m telling you the truth, why would I lie?
Why would you acuse me of lying?


Either you are lying to prove a point (though I think most people will accept that there are warnings) or you have simply forgotten or didn&#39;t notice.

Why would the covers be different?

In fact I think a net picture is less likely to have the warning label on it than the actual magazine.

[MicroScreen2]

:lol: :lol: :lol: i just thought. doesnt the fact that they&#39;re on the top shelf/second top at my shop stop young kids buying them :rolleyes:

[Cheese]

In fact, let&#39;s all go to our local 24 Hour shops and check for ourselves. :01:

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Originally posted by Withcheese@9 July 2004 - 00:24

Either you are lying to prove a point (though I think most people will accept that there are warnings) or you have simply forgotten or didn&#39;t notice.

Why would the covers be different?

In fact I think a net picture is less likely to have the warning label on it than the actual magazine.
Ok, so me and a collegue actually looking for the warnings would&#39;nt count?, ok you acuse me of lying, fair enough :) Bit narked about that actually

I know what I saw, when did you last hold FHM? Bizzarre?

@MS2.....Playstation2 mags and such like are on top shelf in some places along with gardeners world, simply for space

Jonno B)

[manker]

Originally posted by Withcheese@9 July 2004 - 00:26
In fact, let&#39;s all go to our local 24 Hour shops and check for ourselves. :01:
there&#39;ll be a pic of this month&#39;s FHM online somewhere I reckon.

I&#39;ll have a look

edit: found the U.S. version

http://tylerlee.nease.net/magcovers/FHM/FHM0407.jpg

[MicroScreen2]

@MS2.....Playstation2 mags and such like are on top shelf in some places along with gardeners world, simply for space
:blink:

ive seen more point on a football

[Cheese]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS+9 July 2004 - 00:29--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JONNO_CELEBS @ 9 July 2004 - 00:29)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Withcheese@9 July 2004 - 00:24

Either you are lying to prove a point (though I think most people will accept that there are warnings) or you have simply forgotten or didn&#39;t notice.

Why would the covers be different?

In fact I think a net picture is less likely to have the warning label on it than the actual magazine.
Ok, so me and a collegue actually looking for the warnings would&#39;nt count?, ok you acuse me of lying, fair enough :) Bit narked about that actually

I know what I saw, when did you last hold FHM? Bizzarre?

@MS2.....Playstation2 mags and such like are on top shelf in some places along with gardeners world, simply for space

Jonno B) [/b][/quote]
I suggested either you&#39;re either a liar or you are mistaken. I expect you are mistaken.

Though I could be wrong and they could not have labels on, except for the ones they use for promotional purposes.

[JONNO_CELEBS]

@MS2........So now you&#39;re saying that PS2 mags are not for children?
You said they on top shelf for a reason?
They are, but just cos they up there does&#39;nt mean a kid can&#39;t buy one

@Cheese........I have no reason to lie, I know what I saw with my eyes, holding the mags in my hands, not a pic on a monitor :)

Jonno B)

[manker]

the July 2004 UK version:

http://home.freeuk.net/webbuk/mags/fhmjul2004louise.jpg

:unsure:

[Cheese]

Originally posted by manker+9 July 2004 - 00:29--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (manker @ 9 July 2004 - 00:29)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Withcheese@9 July 2004 - 00:26
In fact, let&#39;s all go to our local 24 Hour shops and check for ourselves. :01:
there&#39;ll be a pic of this month&#39;s FHM online somewhere I reckon.

I&#39;ll have a look

edit: found the U.S. version

[/b][/quote]
There is a pic of the UK edition online but Jonno is kind of right that that doesn&#39;t prove the point either way.

So hurry up down to your 24 Hour shop and see for us. :lol:

[JONNO_CELEBS]

@Manker........Well look at that :rolleyes:

Jonno B)

[Cheese]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 00:36
@Manker........Well look at that :rolleyes:

Jonno B)
Does that mean we are taking pictures from the net as evidence now?

&#39;cos my Bizarre pic has a warning label on.

[MicroScreen2]

@MS2........So now you&#39;re saying that PS2 mags are not for children?
You said they on top shelf for a reason?
They are, but just cos they up there does&#39;nt mean a kid can&#39;t buy one


STFU for your own sake

[manker]

doesn&#39;t seem to be a warning but then I leave my copy of FHM at my hairdresser&#39;s when I&#39;ve finished with it, I don&#39;t think it&#39;s that bad to warrant censor. it&#39;s mostly tits and bad language - and lets be fair jonno, you provide both of those when sunbathing in your garden :lol:

[JONNO_CELEBS]

@Cheese.......No not at all, but if you&#39;re willing to, then there&#39;s proof in your way :)
I&#39;ll say it again, I know what I saw :)
Period&#33; I have no reason to lie and don&#39;t apreciate being acused of it

@MS2......Run out of things to say have you? There&#39;s still several questions I asked you that you hav&#39;nt been able to answer yet :)
You seem to have overlooked my point altogether and scewed off on a tangent of defending mags and an atitude that kids should see whatever cos it will prepare then for life :blink:
Strange, just out of curiosity, how old are you? If you don&#39;t mind me asking :)

@Manker.....This whole thing seems to have turned on FHM, it was just one of those I mentioned :)

Jonno B)

[brenda]

Originally posted by Proper Bo, I tell thee+8 July 2004 - 23:56--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Proper Bo, I tell thee @ 8 July 2004 - 23:56)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 00:54

@Bo......Good point, and thats a comic :)

Jonno B)
Like me genius use of that smilie? :P [/b][/quote]
did actually

[MicroScreen2]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 00:42
@MS2......Run out of things to say have you? There&#39;s still several questions I asked you that you hav&#39;nt been able to answer yet :)
You seem to have overlooked my point altogether and scewed off on a tangent of defending mags and an atitude that kids should see whatever cos it will prepare then for life :blink:
Strange, just out of curiosity, how old are you? If you don&#39;t mind me asking :)

you said ps2 magazine is on the top shelf to save space. so that means FHM can be sold to kids?

18 btw :)

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Originally posted by MicroScreen2@9 July 2004 - 00:47

you said ps2 magazine is on the top shelf to save space. so that means FHM can be sold to kids?

18 btw :)
Yes ....... I did :) And?

18? I&#39;m guessing you have no children? Young neice? Nephew? :)

Jonno B)

[MicroScreen2]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS+9 July 2004 - 00:48--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JONNO_CELEBS @ 9 July 2004 - 00:48)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-MicroScreen2@9 July 2004 - 00:47

you said ps2 magazine is on the top shelf to save space. so that means FHM can be sold to kids?

18 btw :)
Yes ....... I did :) And?

18? I&#39;m guessing you have no children? Young neice? Nephew? :)

Jonno B) [/b][/quote]
what relevance does that have?

[JONNO_CELEBS]

:blink: I think you need to read from the start again :)
My point was that these mags should carry an age restriction or warning, ALL of them, you said "Them being on the top shelf would stop a child buiying them"
I said that it would&#39;nt because ps2 mags etc can be up there too.

With me so far? :)

The relevence of kids is if you have a young child in your life you may think differently, I would really like a mothers or father POV on this :)

Jonno B)

[manker]

Originally posted by MicroScreen2+9 July 2004 - 00:50--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MicroScreen2 @ 9 July 2004 - 00:50)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 00:48
<!--QuoteBegin-MicroScreen2@9 July 2004 - 00:47

you said ps2 magazine is on the top shelf to save space. so that means FHM can be sold to kids?

18 btw :)
Yes ....... I did :) And?

18? I&#39;m guessing you have no children? Young neice? Nephew? :)

Jonno B)
what relevance does that have? [/b][/quote]
jonno, that argument is shite. just because people don&#39;t have children doesn&#39;t mean they can be compassionate toward them and understand them just as well as some parents.

look at Roy and Hayley on Corrie :01:

[JONNO_CELEBS]

I dissagree, I&#39;ve seen arguments on here where a parent feels totally different about something.
I personally would not like my 7 y/o niece to see this stuff, she get scared at Buffy, this would do her brain in.

Bottom line.........Original question

Do you think it&#39;s ok for kids to see this stuff? If yes...why?

Jonno B)

[MicroScreen2]

i have a 13 year old sister, with alcohlic parents ive had to look out for her. even now my mum off drink i have to look after her for reasons i wont go into cos you&#39;d lose. if anyone tried to exploit her i&#39;d knock the fuck out of them but i&#39;d never censor what she reads

[Cheese]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 00:56
Bottom line.........Original question

Do you think it&#39;s ok for kids to see this stuff? If yes...why?

Jonno B)
That wasn&#39;t the original question.

[manker]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 00:56
I dissagree, I&#39;ve seen arguments on here where a parent feels totally different about something.
I personally would not like my 7 y/o niece to see this stuff, she get scared at Buffy, this would do her brain in.

Bottom line.........Original question

Do you think it&#39;s ok for kids to see this stuff? If yes...why?

Jonno B)
I have a 3 month old son.

I&#39;m going to single out FHM and say I think it&#39;s fine for a kid of 10 or over to read it. that 10 year old has been talking to his friends about tits and swearing at old ladies all day anyway.

[JONNO_CELEBS]

@MS2......Good for you, something you should be proud of :) Seriously :)

But she is 13, not 7 or 8, would have been happy if she was that age now and seeing this stuff?

And please, stop trying to make this a fight, saying I&#39;d lose is so lame, you have no idea what my life is like or has been like, I certainly am not about to do a childish "My lifes worse than yours" argument :rolleyes:

@Manker......FFS, Forget the porn&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Search google for "Mutilated" and take the safe search off, will you be fine knowing your son at 7 y/o or 10 y/o will read that? Would you let her?

Jonno B)

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Originally posted by Withcheese@9 July 2004 - 01:01

That wasn&#39;t the original question.
Yes it was, basically, I just made a bit more in the way of arguements for it rather than just ask :)
Examples :)

Jonno B)

[MicroScreen2]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 01:03
@MS2......Good for you, something you should be proud of :) Seriously :)

But she is 13, not 7 or 8, would have been happy if she was that age now and seeing this stuff?

And please, stop trying to make this a fight, saying I&#39;d lose is so lame, you have no idea what my life is like or has been like, I certainly am not about to do a childish "My lifes worse than yours" argument :rolleyes:

i&#39;m trying not to make this a my life is worse than yours arguement. you were the one who asked if i&#39;d seen a dead body and you were the one who asked if i had any young relatives.

if my sister saw something gruesome when she was 8 i wouldnt be comfortable, but i wouldn&#39;t force her to do anything

[DanB]

Send your 7 old neice in to buy a copy tomorrow and see what happens, I bet the shop staff don&#39;t sell it to her

[manker]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 01:03
@Manker......FFS, Forget the porn&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Search google for "Mutilated" and take the safe search off, will you be fine knowing your son at 7 y/o or 10 y/o will read that? Would you let her?
mutilations in FHM? I dont think so. I have held a subscription since before uni, perhaps there is an odd picture of a bad injury a reader got but never mutilations.

thats why I wont let go of the pr0n&#33;&#33;

anyway at least we know you&#39;re not bothered by kids seing bad language in text and tits. mutilation is slightly worse, of course, so children under, say, 13 should not be exposed to it if it can be at all helped, but it wouldn&#39;t be the end of the world for most kids :rolleyes:

[TheYogi]

I get where you at jonno....i see the point, but i wonder if what happens on

supermarketshelfs is allways a late reflection of what happens in society......

My biggest worry is not the "nudity" itself, it is the way pictures of women

can cause damage beyond your believe......

Just look at those covers......... how real is that?????


What worries me more is where we are now, the internet..............

You can say the kids can be protected, but sorry, most kids are far more

educated on their pc than their parents.......


Where i am really surprised is in our videostore. The pronsection has

no &#39;protection&#39; whatsoever.......... :angry:

Nothing against porn, but i see kids of 4-5 walking by those "covers", and

you might know; nothing much covered there..... :rolleyes:

And believe me, this is not the only store like that.......




Just my thoughts on this.


Fre.

[JONNO_CELEBS]

@MS2.......I did ask, not because I have, but in interest to see if you knew where I&#39;m coming from, just trying to understand your POV :)

As for your sister at 8 seeing it, you&#39;re happy with that, fine :)
As long as it would&#39;nt keep her awake at night or upset her right? :)

A child of that age in most cases would be very upset at seeing some of this stuff, and I&#39;m saying it should&#39;nt be so easily available in shops.
I can actually bring in the porn side of things here, as Fiesta, Over 40, Horny Housewives and Big and Black have no warning or restriction either.
I&#39;m sure you know these are&#39;nt just page 3 girls.

Whatever way you look at it, a child seeing Lindsey Dawn Makensie with her legs spread taking a large man is not really Ladybird reading material is it :rolleyes:


@Manker.........FFS FORGET FHM&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

@Fre....... I&#39;m glad someone can see my point :rolleyes:


Jonno B)

[DanB]

When did FHM have mutiliation?

At worst they have a ffew tits and a pic of some nasty ijuries, heck they can see the same injuries watching Casualty or Holby City on primtime telly

[JONNO_CELEBS]

@Dan......I saw a guy with a tree branch thru his chest, basically guts haging out in Bizzarre, I saw an African woman with her lips and ears cut off, still fresh cuts in either Nuts or Zoo. That is mutilation, you can&#39;t argue that surely?

Jonno B)

[MicroScreen2]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 01:16
@MS2.......I did ask, not because I have, but in interest to see if you knew where I&#39;m coming from, just trying to understand your POV :)

As for your sister at 8 seeing it, you&#39;re happy with that, fine :)
As long as it would&#39;nt keep her awake at night or upset her right? :)

A child of that age in most cases would be very upset at seeing some of this stuff, and I&#39;m saying it should&#39;nt be so easily available in shops.
I can actually bring in the porn side of things here, as Fiesta, Over 40, Horny Housewives and Big and Black have no warning or restriction either.
I&#39;m sure you know these are&#39;nt just page 3 girls.

Whatever way you look at it, a child seeing Lindsey Dawn Makensie with her legs spread taking a large man is not really Ladybird reading material is it :rolleyes:


@Manker.........FFS FORGET FHM&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

@Fre....... I&#39;m glad someone can see my point :rolleyes:

@Dan......I saw a guy with a tree branch thru his chest, basically guts haging out in Bizzarre, I saw an African woman with her lips and ears cut off, still fresh cuts in either Nuts or Zoo. That is mutilation, you can&#39;t argue that

Jonno B)
its not legal to show penetration in magazines :rolleyes:

my sister would get used to it, thats my point

[JONNO_CELEBS]

You say it&#39;s not legal, but some of these mags have not restriction, no warning.
And yes there are penetration shots in mags, sorry, I know this because I saw that pic I explained today in an Advert for her new movie at the back of a porn mag

Jonno B)

[MicroScreen2]

theyre breaking the law then. anyway which way are you changing the subject?

[Cheese]

Bizarre does come wrapped in cellophane with a Parental Advisory label on it.

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Well no their not, If I had a scanner set up I could actually prove that, If you search for "British Amatures" or any porn like that you will see the front covers and cum shots and penetration, it&#39;s a loophole cos it&#39;s an advert and under a certain size :)

And yes, we have kinda skewed off here, sorry about that :)

I would still love to here more parents POV&#39;s, I wish I could post a pic of what kind of stuff I saw, but I wont for 2 reasons
1= It&#39;s against rules here
2= I would&#39;nt cos it&#39;s not right to display....Period&#33; :)

@Cheese.......... :lol: I&#39;m sorry dude, but I read it today, it had no celophane wrapper or stickers, I don&#39;t care what you say, it did&#39;nt, it does&#39;nt, trust me, I know :)

Jonno B)

[MicroScreen2]

jonno he just went down to the 24hr you...... theres not even a name

[manker]

Originally posted by Withcheese@9 July 2004 - 01:31
Bizarre does come wrapped in cellophane with a Parental Advisory label on it.
have you been to the garage? :lol:

maybe bizarre is sold in cellophane because it has mutilation shots - unlike FHM, Front, Esquire etc - they don&#39;t come kid proof because they dont have pics of mutilation on their pages, just harmless tits.

see jonno, thats why your argument is flawed. Kids are protected against pictures of mutilation, hence the cellophane.

edit: to make it more lucid for jonno

[JONNO_CELEBS]

@MS2......:blink: Huh? That makes no sense :blink:

@Manker.......... It Does NOT&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; come in a wrapper, ok you lot, I work with these mags, I sell them ok, thats how I know so much, you guys may buy 1 now and again, I see them every single day, 7 days a week.
So really, who would know more?

Jonno B)

[manker]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 01:31
@Cheese.......... :lol: I&#39;m sorry dude, but I read it today, it had no celophane wrapper or stickers, I don&#39;t care what you say, it did&#39;nt, it does&#39;nt, trust me, I know :)


you said you read it in work&#33;

why would it still be wrapped in cellophane :moronsmilie:

[JONNO_CELEBS]

It was&#39;nt in a fucking Wrapper&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

Jonno B)

[MicroScreen2]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 01:35
@MS2......:blink: Huh? That makes no sense :blink:

@Manker.......... It Does NOT&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; come in a wrapper, ok you lot, I work with these mags, I sell them ok, thats how I know so much, you guys may buy 1 now and again, I see them every single day, 7 days a week.
So really, who would know more?

Jonno B)
i thought you were a builder :smilie4:

[DanB]

it was :01:

[manker]

Originally posted by MicroScreen2+9 July 2004 - 01:38--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MicroScreen2 @ 9 July 2004 - 01:38)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 01:35
@MS2......:blink: Huh? That makes no sense :blink:

@Manker.......... It Does NOT&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; come in a wrapper, ok you lot, I work with these mags, I sell them ok, thats how I know so much, you guys may buy 1 now and again, I see them every single day, 7 days a week.
So really, who would know more?

Jonno B)
i thought you were a builder :smilie4: [/b][/quote]
I thought you were an electrical engineer :huh:

[JONNO_CELEBS]

MS2.....Not for 4 months

@Dan.....Stfu you shit stirrer :rolleyes:

@Manker.........why? :blink:

Jonno B)

[DanB]

I thought from the about of daytime posting you were unemployed

[JONNO_CELEBS]

I work 7 days a week, co manager of a shop :)
I get cheap booze and food :01:

Jonno B)

[manker]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 01:35
@MS2......:blink: Huh? That makes no sense :blink:

@Manker.......... It Does NOT&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; come in a wrapper, ok you lot, I work with these mags, I sell them ok, thats how I know so much, you guys may buy 1 now and again, I see them every single day, 7 days a week.
So really, who would know more?

Jonno B)
OK, if you sell bizarre magazines:

stop selling it to children, you sick bastard. is nothing sacred anymore :rolleyes:















:lol:

[MicroScreen2]

maybe its a regional or optional thing and were all right :unsure:

[manker]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 01:41
MS2.....Not for 4 months

@Dan.....Stfu you shit stirrer :rolleyes:

@Manker.........why? :blink:

Jonno B)
ehhh you mentioned something about having a degree in electrical engineering. maybe you were talking about someone else though.

[brenda]

OK I just went to check my collection of Bizarre and it state in the corner &#39;WARNING: contains material that may offend&#39;

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Originally posted by manker@9 July 2004 - 01:42

OK, if you sell bizarre magazines:

stop selling it to children, you sick bastard. is nothing sacred anymore&nbsp; :rolleyes:

:lol: :lol: Wanker :lol: :lol:

Thats my point, I HAVE to seel them, if they want them I can&#39;t stop them buying it, do you understand yet? :rolleyes:

@Brenda....... I really don&#39;t understand, you&#39;re all like children, I named several mags and said etc, you guys are picking individuals, I swear on my soul I could not find a warning or restriction on any named :)

Jonno B)

[manker]

Originally posted by MicroScreen2@9 July 2004 - 01:43
maybe its a regional or optional thing and were all right :unsure:
possibly.

I&#39;m going to take some pics of the mags in the newsagent tomorrow morning on my way to work anyway.

[MicroScreen2]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS+9 July 2004 - 01:44--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JONNO_CELEBS @ 9 July 2004 - 01:44)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-manker@9 July 2004 - 01:42

OK, if you sell bizarre magazines:

stop selling it to children, you sick bastard. is nothing sacred anymore&nbsp; :rolleyes:

:lol: :lol: Wanker :lol: :lol:

Thats my point, I HAVE to seel them, if they want them I can&#39;t stop them buying it, do you understand yet? :rolleyes:

Jonno B) [/b][/quote]
yes you can, just say you arent old enough. what can they do if they get their dad own he is old enough, but then again the parents are so protective arent they. :rolleyes:

[manker]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS+9 July 2004 - 01:44--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JONNO_CELEBS @ 9 July 2004 - 01:44)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-manker@9 July 2004 - 01:42

OK, if you sell bizarre magazines:

stop selling it to children, you sick bastard. is nothing sacred anymore&nbsp; :rolleyes:

:lol: :lol: Wanker :lol: :lol:

Thats my point, I HAVE to seel them, if they want them I can&#39;t stop them buying it, do you understand yet? :rolleyes:

Jonno B) [/b][/quote]
^^ see Brenda&#39;s post :lol:

now stop selling bizarre magazine to kids, you&#39;re breaking the law :angry:

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Yeah do that, I&#39;ll borrow some and set up my scanner, although I dare say I will be acused of photoshopping :rolleyes:

@MS2.......No, that against stat rights, I can refuse to serve someone on good grounds but I can&#39;t refuse to serve someone for being too young when they are not, same as I can&#39;t refuse someone alcohol because they are drunk when they are actually sober, I could lose my job for that

Jonno B)

[MicroScreen2]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 01:48
Yeah do that, I&#39;ll borrow some and set up my scanner, although I dare say I will be acused of photoshopping :rolleyes:

@MS2.......No, that against stat rights, I can refuse to serve someone on good grounds but I can&#39;t refuse to serve someone for being too young when they are not, same as I can&#39;t refuse someone alcohol because they are drunk when they are actually sober, I could lose my job for that

Jonno B)
if youre co manager you can do what the fuck you like. you ccant sell to someone under age thats illegal. if you believe someone to be underage or just dont want to serve them you have the right not to

[JONNO_CELEBS]

I said Manager, not owner.
I run the place, I don&#39;t own it.

And I cannot just not serve someone.

In fact, I don&#39;t know why I am justyfying myself to you guys, unless you have my job you don&#39;t know wtf you&#39;re talking about so as far as I can see, most of you are happy for children to see nasty sick pics and porn :)
thats fine :)

My personal opinion is that a child should not be able to see this stuff on a shop shelf, they should not be allowed to buy it, whether I sell it or not.
thats my opinion, you all have the right to yours :)

Would still like to hear from a parent who has a young child of 6-12 y/o :)

Jonno B)

[MicroScreen2]

who says none of us ever had a job in a shop

[JONNO_CELEBS]

I did&#39;nt say that, I said "MY job" meaning my boss, the rules I have to abide by, MY job, not any shop job.

Jonno B)

[Cheese]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 01:56
so as far as I can see, most of you are happy for children to see nasty sick pics and porn :)
thats fine :)

You make us all sound like a bunch of heartless bastards but as far as I can see you&#39;re the one who sells these magazines to children. If you really believed in this then you would refuse to sell these magazines to children. End of story.

Now let&#39;s just say you did get sacked for refusing to serve a 10 year-old a copy of Bizarre I think you&#39;d have a good case for unfair dismissal. Obviously you feel the magazine is unsuitable so why aren&#39;t you sticking to your principals.

Seems to me you&#39;re just full of hot air on this issue. :)


*I wonder what would happen if a parent phoned your boss (or whatever wierd set-up you have in Sheringham) and complained that you had sold an unsuitable magazine to a minor? Would your boss protect you saying that you had every right to sell that magazine or would you be reprimanded?

[j4y3m]

Let them buy what they want, is it really a concern to you? :unsure:

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Originally posted by Withcheese@9 July 2004 - 08:46

You make us all sound like a bunch of heartless bastards but as far as I can see you&#39;re the one who sells these magazines to children. If you really believed in this then you would refuse to sell these magazines to children. End of story.

Now let&#39;s just say you did get sacked for refusing to serve a 10 year-old a copy of Bizarre I think you&#39;d have a good case for unfair dismissal. Obviously you feel the magazine is unsuitable so why aren&#39;t you sticking to your principals.

Seems to me you&#39;re just full of hot air on this issue. :)


*I wonder what would happen if a parent phoned your boss (or whatever wierd set-up you have in Sheringham) and complained that you had sold an unsuitable magazine to a minor? Would your boss protect you saying that you had every right to sell that magazine or would you be reprimanded?
I told you, I hav&#39;nt actually sold one to a minor and yes , My boss would stand by me :)
And once again you missed my point, I never had a go at any of you guys, I was saying it&#39;s wrong that it&#39;s so readily available, I&#39;m only 1 person, there are millions of shops :rolleyes:

And looking back thru this, MS2 and Manker are actually the only people to say whether or not they feel happy about this, the rest of you keep going on about pics of front covers :rolleyes:

Jonno B)

[Yogi]

Jonno, i must say: You look amazingly well for someone working 7 days and gets

paid with cheap booze and food.............

Didn&#39;t you say your boss was a woman?? Bet she throws in some extra

perks... :lol: :lol: :lol:


Yogi

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Why thankyou Yogi :01:

Yes my boss is a woman, 2 of them actually, they lesbiens :01:
And no, they kinda not into the whole penis thing :lol:

Jonno B)

[Yogi]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 16:24
Why thankyou Yogi :01:

Yes my boss is a woman, 2 of them actually, they lesbiens :01:
And no, they kinda not into the whole penis thing :lol:

Jonno B)
So you get paid in cheap booze and food by two lesbo&#39;s............ :o


But you being bi with beertits might per(k)suade them???? :lol:


Yogi

[JONNO_CELEBS]

That is true :helpsmile:
And having such an unfeasably small penis, when naked they might think I&#39;m a girl :ph34r:

Jonno B)

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Ok having borrowed a copy of Bizzarre and Zoo :01:

Apology to Cheese, altho Bizzarre does not come in celophane, it does carry the black and white "Parental Advisory" lable on the front.
But is still legal to sell to a child. And it has a pic of a woman with her lips and ears missing :x Niiiiiiiiice

Zoo on the other hand is advertising a tv prog "101 thing to come out of a human"
Prog is on Channel 4 at 10:50pm , but the mag has no restriction or warning whatsoever&#33;

But there are 4 pics

A man with a garden fork thru his face
A man with a fen post thru his chest
A man with a steel rod thru his chin and out the back of his head
A man with a steel reinforcing rod thru his right eye and out his cheek/ear

I don&#39;t care what anyone says, a child should not see that.

Oh yeah, it also has Abi Titmuss lesbo video shots :01:

Jonno B)

[manker]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 15:22
Ok having borrowed a copy of Bizzarre and Zoo :01:

Apology to Cheese, altho Bizzarre does not come in celophane, it does carry the black and white "Parental Advisory" lable on the front.
But is still legal to sell to a child. And it has a pic of a woman with her lips and ears missing :x Niiiiiiiiice

Zoo on the other hand is advertising a tv prog "101 thing to come out of a human"
Prog is on Channel 4 at 10:50pm , but the mag has no restriction or warning whatsoever&#33;

But there are 4 pics

A man with a garden fork thru his face
A man with a fen post thru his chest
A man with a steel rod thru his chin and out the back of his head
A man with a steel reinforcing rod thru his right eye and out his cheek/ear

I don&#39;t care what anyone says, a child should not see that.

Oh yeah, it also has Abi Titmuss lesbo video shots :01:

Jonno B)
So your whole premis has changed form being against all "lads mags" to just being against Zoo magazine being avaliable for children to buy.

Glad that&#39;s cleared up. Jonno I totally agree :D

edit: yes, that Abi titmus vid is..ahem..interesting.

[MicroScreen2]

whens that 101 things on?


monday night

[DanB]

Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 16:22


Oh yeah, it also has Abi Titmuss lesbo video shots :01:

Jonno B)
Meh, I have the video :01:


:lol: :lol:

[manker]

Originally posted by danb+9 July 2004 - 15:27--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (danb @ 9 July 2004 - 15:27)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 16:22


Oh yeah, it also has Abi Titmuss lesbo video shots :01:

Jonno B)
Meh, I have the video :01:


:lol: :lol: [/b][/quote]
I have a new respect for john leslie :01:

[JONNO_CELEBS]

@Manker.........No, I said Bizzarre does have a warning, but it can still be baught by a child.

@MS2........Yeah looks cool :lol:

@Dan.........Yeah, I had it, thought it was a bit slow personally :rolleyes:
"Ooo she&#39;s licking my bumhole, very naughty" :lol: She&#39;s so British :lol:

Jonno B)

[DanB]

Originally posted by manker+9 July 2004 - 16:31--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (manker @ 9 July 2004 - 16:31)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by danb@9 July 2004 - 15:27
<!--QuoteBegin-JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 16:22


Oh yeah, it also has Abi Titmuss lesbo video shots :01:

Jonno B)
Meh, I have the video :01:


:lol: :lol:
I have a new respect for john leslie :01: [/b][/quote]
Was it meant to be a comedy too? :lol: :lol:

[Yogi]

A man with a steel reinforcing rod thru his right eye and out his cheek/ear


That should get im into havards, Jonzy&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol:

[NikkiD]

Okay, my take on the whole thing as a parent of three.

When it comes to sex/porn/nudity, I don&#39;t want my kids to see pornography for several reasons. First and foremost, because of the unrealistic quality of it, as Fre said. I don&#39;t want my kids to think that this type of things happens in real life - because for the most part, it doesn&#39;t. And I would rather my kids grow up to appreciate the natural beauty of a woman rather than the siliconed, make up covered and air-brushed women that this type of media generally depicts. And for the most part, these types of scenarios don&#39;t occur in real life, and a young and impressionable child seeing them is easily led into thinking that they do. Secondly, because I don&#39;t believe it is appropriate for young children to see such things, their minds are not ready to comprehend it. That&#39;s why I have net nanny. And lastly, believe it or not, even if curiosity abounds, some images are simply frightening for a child. I&#39;ll give an example.

Here, the kids have access to a computer, which has net nanny installed and is monitored by me at all times when they are on it. This is not so at my step-kids house, nor at many of their friends houses. Both my 11 year old son, and my 10 year old step daughter have seen porn on the internet. My 11 year old saw it a couple of years ago, when he was over at a friend&#39;s house and his friend&#39;s older brother decided to show them things. Quite a lot of it in fact. When checking his computer later, I found that he&#39;d tried to search for things and confronted him. He confessed and told me what he&#39;d seen. Now I&#39;m pretty open minded about sex - you guys know that from my posts I&#39;m sure. My reaction was to ask him if he had questions about what he&#39;d seen, and to discuss things with him and inform him about the reality of sex, not what he&#39;d seen on the internet. He does understand the difference, and even though the discussion was awkward, it also gives him a measure of faith in my honesty, and hopefully will let him realize that he can come to me and talk to me about this type of stuff if he has questions. The situation with my 10 year old step daughter was a little different, a couple of weeks ago she was on her own computer at her house - where her father and mother didn&#39;t feel it was necessary to install a filter such as net nanny, because she&#39;s too young and innocent to be looking for such things :rolleyes: - and being curious typed the word sex into google. As you can imagine, she got a lot more than what she bargained for. She saw images of blow jobs, anal sex, bestiality, cum shots, you name it. She was terrified. She will not talk about it with either of her parents, she just starts crying. It probably doesn&#39;t help the situation that her mother is complete prude in these matters and likely doesn&#39;t even know what half the stuff she saw even is, or that her mother reacted very badly, like Taline had done something wrong. I don&#39;t think she did, I think she was curious about something, and did what she&#39;d been taught to do in other cases, like looking up information for a school project - she googled it. The fact that her mother freaked out about it and made her feel ashamed of her curiosity appalls me, but as I&#39;m not her mother, I can&#39;t really do much about it. I have, however, told her that if she has any questions, she can come and talk to me if she&#39;s too embarrassed to ask her mother or father.

With regard to nudity, I don&#39;t really have a problem with my kids seeing nudity, I don&#39;t think it&#39;s anything to be ashamed of, it a human body. Besides that, if they walk down the road to the beach, they can see all the boobs they&#39;d like. :lol:

When it comes to gore and violence, I know that a certain amount of it will be seen by my kids in everyday life. That doesn&#39;t mean I want it made readily available to them. Nathan has seen a dead body, we were witness to a very serious car accident a couple of years ago where a tractor trailer hit the bottom of an overpass, and the box (for lack of a better word) on the trailer detached and flew backward, taking out about 8 cars behind it. We were about six cars back and two lanes over and saw the whole thing, and were stuck there for about 2 hours while it was being cleaned up. Decapitated bodies were easily seen before the EMT showed up. Just because he has seen it, does not mean I want him to be able to buy magazines with it included.

As far as the sale of magazines goes - the black and white parental advisory does not make it illegal for kids to buy these magazines - it is a warning, but unless the magazine specifically states 18+ on the cover, it is not illegal for a child to buy it. At least that&#39;s the way it is here. I&#39;m not sure what the legality of denying sale of such magazines to children is.

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Someone said back a few pages that it makes no difference if you&#39;re a parent, I dissagreed and that absolutely excellent reply clearly shows the difference :)

Very well said Nikki :)

Jonno B)

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Originally posted by NikkiD@9 July 2004 - 16:38
Okay, my take on the whole thing as a parent of three.

When it comes to sex/porn/nudity, I don&#39;t want my kids to see pornography for several reasons. First and foremost, because of the unrealistic quality of it, as Fre said. I don&#39;t want my kids to think that this type of things happens in real life - because for the most part, it doesn&#39;t. And I would rather my kids grow up to appreciate the natural beauty of a woman rather than the siliconed, make up covered and air-brushed women that this type of media generally depicts. And for the most part, these types of scenarios don&#39;t occur in real life, and a young and impressionable child seeing them is easily led into thinking that they do. Secondly, because I don&#39;t believe it is appropriate for young children to see such things, their minds are not ready to comprehend it. That&#39;s why I have net nanny. And lastly, believe it or not, even if curiosity abounds, some images are simply frightening for a child. I&#39;ll give an example.

Here, the kids have access to a computer, which has net nanny installed and is monitored by me at all times when they are on it. This is not so at my step-kids house, nor at many of their friends houses. Both my 11 year old son, and my 10 year old step daughter have seen porn on the internet. My 11 year old saw it a couple of years ago, when he was over at a friend&#39;s house and his friend&#39;s older brother decided to show them things. Quite a lot of it in fact. When checking his computer later, I found that he&#39;d tried to search for things and confronted him. He confessed and told me what he&#39;d seen. Now I&#39;m pretty open minded about sex - you guys know that from my posts I&#39;m sure. My reaction was to ask him if he had questions about what he&#39;d seen, and to discuss things with him and inform him about the reality of sex, not what he&#39;d seen on the internet. He does understand the difference, and even though the discussion was awkward, it also gives him a measure of faith in my honesty, and hopefully will let him realize that he can come to me and talk to me about this type of stuff if he has questions. The situation with my 10 year old step daughter was a little different, a couple of weeks ago she was on her own computer at her house - where her father and mother didn&#39;t feel it was necessary to install a filter such as net nanny, because she&#39;s too young and innocent to be looking for such things :rolleyes: - and being curious typed the word sex into google. As you can imagine, she got a lot more than what she bargained for. She saw images of blow jobs, anal sex, bestiality, cum shots, you name it. She was terrified. She will not talk about it with either of her parents, she just starts crying. It probably doesn&#39;t help the situation that her mother is complete prude in these matters and likely doesn&#39;t even know what half the stuff she saw even is, or that her mother reacted very badly, like Taline had done something wrong. I don&#39;t think she did, I think she was curious about something, and did what she&#39;d been taught to do in other cases, like looking up information for a school project - she googled it. The fact that her mother freaked out about it and made her feel ashamed of her curiosity appalls me, but as I&#39;m not her mother, I can&#39;t really do much about it. I have, however, told her that if she has any questions, she can come and talk to me if she&#39;s too embarrassed to ask her mother or father.

With regard to nudity, I don&#39;t really have a problem with my kids seeing nudity, I don&#39;t think it&#39;s anything to be ashamed of, it a human body. Besides that, if they walk down the road to the beach, they can see all the boobs they&#39;d like. :lol:

When it comes to gore and violence, I know that a certain amount of it will be seen by my kids in everyday life. That doesn&#39;t mean I want it made readily available to them. Nathan has seen a dead body, we were witness to a very serious car accident a couple of years ago where a tractor trailer hit the bottom of an overpass, and the box (for lack of a better word) on the trailer detached and flew backward, taking out about 8 cars behind it. We were about six cars back and two lanes over and saw the whole thing, and were stuck there for about 2 hours while it was being cleaned up. Decapitated bodies were easily seen before the EMT showed up. Just because he has seen it, does not mean I want him to be able to buy magazines with it included.

As far as the sale of magazines goes - the black and white parental advisory does not make it illegal for kids to buy these magazines - it is a warning, but unless the magazine specifically states 18+ on the cover, it is not illegal for a child to buy it. At least that&#39;s the way it is here. I&#39;m not sure what the legality of denying sale of such magazines to children is.
very impressive word brick, just what this thread needed. some sense :01:

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Yeah, well she&#39;s a bit more cleverer than me, that is what I was trying to say :rolleyes:

Jonno B)

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Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@9 July 2004 - 16:56
Yeah, well she&#39;s a bit more cleverer than me, that is what I was trying to say :rolleyes:

Jonno B)
when?

[JONNO_CELEBS]

:blink:


I don&#39;t want my kids to see pornography for several reasons


When it comes to gore and violence, I know that a certain amount of it will be seen by my kids in everyday life. That doesn&#39;t mean I want it made readily available to them.


As far as the sale of magazines goes - the black and white parental advisory does not make it illegal for kids to buy these magazines - it is a warning, but unless the magazine specifically states 18+ on the cover, it is not illegal for a child to buy it.

Those were the three points I was making by saying children should&#39;nt see it, did you actually read the thread? :blink:

Jonno B)

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:lol:

i thought you were just tryingg to say nikkid is cleverer than you :rolleyes:

[JONNO_CELEBS]

I was, but I what I meant is she said exactly what I was trying to say, she&#39;s just better with words than I am, also she&#39;s a mother which helps :)

No, I&#39;m not a mother :rolleyes:

Jonno B)