New Computer!

[Triadcool]

I am thinking about getting this HP Media Center desktop for $900 from Best Buy. I only have $600 right now but I will be able to get it because Best Buy has free Financing on there computers for 12 months. I wan't to know if you think this is a pretty good computer for watching movies, listening to music, and playing games, ( not extreme detailed games or anything). Im not worried about the graphics card that comes with this system, and I already have a monitor to use with it. Well here is the specs:


Specifications:
Processor: Intel Pentium 4 2.8 GHz Hyper-Threading
800 MHz Front side; Socket mPGA478
Motherboard: ASUS P4SD without on-board graphics: Motherboard Specifications
Memory: Comes with two 256MB (512MB total) PC2700 or better dual-inline Memory Modules.
Motherboard accepts DDR400/PC3200, DDR333/PC2700, or
DDR266/PC2100 Dimms. Dual Channel supported only when identical
pairs are used.
Motherboard contains four memory sockets in two pairs (sockets 1:3, and 2:4).
Upgradeable to a maximum of 4GB (Maximum of 1GB Dimm per slot).
Motherboard requires a minimum of one 64MB module.
Drives: 3.5 inch, 1.44 MB floppy drive
160GB, 7200 rpm, Ultra-IDE hard drive
48x CD-ROM drive; 4x DVD+R/RW drive
Drive bays: Two 5.25 drive bays for optical drives (both in use)
Two 3.5 drive bays for hard drives (both in use)
One 3.5 drive bay for a floppy drive (in use)
Modem 56K Data Fax Modem.
Network: On-board RealTek 8101L 10/100 Ethernet.
Audio: On-the-motherboard 5.1 sound.
Altec Lansing 221 speakers (one subwoofer, two satellite).
Video: ATI Radeon 9200 with 128MB memory.
Television: TV and FM radio tuner card (supports stereo sound, does not support HDTV).
Memory card reader:
7-in-1 card reader with four slots that supports the following card types:
Compact Flash I or II; Memory Stick and Memory Stick Pro; Microdrive;
MultiMedia; Secure Digital; SmartMedia
External communication ports:
Serial (1294) port; Two PS/2 ports (one keyboard, and one mouse);
EPP/ECP Parallel port; Six USB 2.0/1.1 ports (two in front and four in back);
Two FireWire (1394) ports (one in front and one in back);
RJ45 network interface port; RJ11 connector (on the modem)
Expansion slots: Three PCI slots (two in use, one open);
One AGP slot (in use); Two serial ATA connectors
Power: 200 watt (max) power supply for ATX style motherboards
Input devices: Keyboard and mouse
HP PS/2 Media Center keyboard with multimedia controls
HP PS/2 optical scrolling mouse
Remote control with USB infrared receiver.
Software:
Supported operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition 2004
Arcsoft Showbiz 2 DVD video editing software; MusicMatch 7.5;
Intervideo WinDVD 4 for playback of commercial DVD movies;
Real-One Player; Adobe Acrobat Reader 6.0; Microsoft Encarta Online;
Microsoft Money 2003; Microsoft Works 7.0
RecordNow 6 for burning data and music CDs and DVDs;
Symantec Norton AntiVirus 2003 (with 60 days of antivirus updates);
HP PC Help and Tools;HP Recovery CD Creator (now supports DVDs);
AOL 8.0 CD


Think its a pretty good buy for the what I will be using it for?

[tesco]

Seems like a good deal. Could use a better video card though...

I think you could build one for cheaper thoguh, even chpeaer if you go amd instead of intel...

Windows XP Media center could (i think) be downloaded by bittorrent or another p2p app. TV Tuner's\fm tuner's aren't very expensive at all, do u need a 6-in-1 card reader?

edit: two more things.

1) It's HP, and i hate HP. POS company imo...

2) why would they include in the specs that it comes with an AOL 8 cd :lol: It's an old vversion, and they are free, practically spam mail with all the cds they send...don't know why they wrote that.

[Storm]

kinda expensive.......

i dont know what FSB the CPU runs on, but unless you're overclocking the ram, max is 166MHz..........

and look these neat things you're getting:
-56k modem (notice how they mention this "plus point" twice)
-tv tuner

nice, but if you would put together your own comp, would you add that????

thats the question you should keep asking yourself when you buy a pre-fab comp.......... "Would i pay extra for it?" if the answer is no, dont buy the thing, cause you ARE paying extra for it.........

build your own.......

(btw, whatever you do, dont get financing, that sucks, you know you're getting ripped off

the only thing you should borrow money for is buying a house, i know its popular (especially in the US), but you're buying stuff you cant afford, on the long run, this WILL get you into serious financial trouble, trust me, enough of my friends are in dept for life :( )

[sparsely]

not bad.
but
sparsely has a profound dislike for HP

[lynx]

Power: 200 watt (max) power supply for ATX style motherboards

Avoid this machine like the plague.

[Keikan]

Hp sucks ass

I rather get a Compaq

[clocker]

Originally posted by Keikan@9 July 2004 - 05:00
Hp sucks ass

I rather get a Compaq
Ah, yes.
The ever popular choice;

"Should I get the plague(HP) or herpes(Compaq)?"

Kill yourself now.

[scottwile]

Hp and Compaq are pretty much the same. one owns the other or vise versa. I had an Hp and it worked perfectly. They have really good customer support and are really good for sending new stuff if you break it. I had one of Hp's amd computers and it did everything the computer i built does. If you know how too build one then you would be better off, if not that HP will be fine. ;)

[Storm]

Originally posted by lynx@9 July 2004 - 12:25

Power: 200 watt (max) power supply for ATX style motherboards

Avoid this machine like the plague.
damnit, saw that, but forgot to mention it.........

yeah, you're rite........ im wondering how fast that thing would fry...........

200Watts wasnt even enough on my parents comp (AMD 500, 20GB HDD, 1CD drive, 1CD burner) when i inserted a 120GB HDD.......... the f**ker just blew up......... luckily nothing was damaged, but you might not get so lucky <_<

[tesco]

Originally posted by Storm+9 July 2004 - 12:19--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Storm @ 9 July 2004 - 12:19)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-lynx@9 July 2004 - 12:25

Power: 200 watt (max) power supply for ATX style motherboards

Avoid this machine like the plague.
damnit, saw that, but forgot to mention it.........

yeah, you&#39;re rite........ im wondering how fast that thing would fry...........

200Watts wasnt even enough on my parents comp (AMD 500, 20GB HDD, 1CD drive, 1CD burner) when i inserted a 120GB HDD.......... the f**ker just blew up......... luckily nothing was damaged, but you might not get so lucky <_< [/b][/quote]
It must be a quality power supply though, HP&#39;s never have cheap power supply&#39;s in them, i&#39;ll tell you that much...

my old computer&#39;s 150watt power most of my computer back when I fried my 350watt. Only things it wasn&#39;t powering was my cd drives, too afraid to try them...

[Triadcool]

Well, I was also looking at this Compaq computer from bestbuy, but I was looking and think that the hp is a better and more powerful computer. What do you think?

Compaq computer specs (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?type=product&id=1083713462987&skuId=6709467)

[tesco]

Originally posted by Triadcool+9 July 2004 - 13:54--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Triadcool &#064; 9 July 2004 - 13:54)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Well, I was also looking at this Compaq computer from bestbuy, but I was looking and think that the hp is a better and more powerful computer. What do you think?

Compaq computer specs (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?type=product&id=1083713462987&skuId=6709467) [/b]
Better. Graphics suck though, you couild buy a better video card and it will be faster and less money than the HP you showed.

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Spyware. :rolleyes:

[Triadcool]

Ok, is Quantispeed and Hyperthreading the same thing? So, which one of the 2 processors are better: AMD Athlon™ XP processor 3000+* with QuantiSpeed™ architecture and 400MHz frontside bus

or

Intel Pentium 4 2.8 GHz Hyper-Threading
800 MHz Front side; Socket mPGA478

[tesco]

The 3000+ is only a little slower than the 2.8hz...not noticeably different... (http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030513/athlon_xp-13.html)

[Triadcool]

The Hp has 800MHz Front side bus and the compaq has 400MHz Front side bus, isn&#39;t 800 better?

[tesco]

Originally posted by Triadcool@9 July 2004 - 17:32
The Hp has 800MHz Front side bus and the compaq has 400MHz Front side bus, isn&#39;t 800 better?
ay but the pentium 4 does less work at the higher speeds so the amd ends up being the same speed anyway. :rolleyes:

[Triadcool]

Ok thanks for all your help. I think im going to go with the hp because the processor, memory, and front side bus. How much would I be able to overclock the Pentium 2.8 Ghz to. I heard you could overclock it to 3.2 Ghz and it still be stable, is this true?

[tesco]

Originally posted by Triadcool@10 July 2004 - 11:12
Ok thanks for all your help. I think im going to go with the hp because the processor, memory, and front side bus. How much would I be able to overclock the Pentium 2.8 Ghz to. I heard you could overclock it to 3.2 Ghz and it still be stable, is this true?
Your going with the HP becuase the processor runs on a higher FSB. <_<

[Triadcool]

well, no those arent the only reason, the hp seems to be a lot more upgradable and I like the Tv tuner capability.

[lynx]

It only has a 200 watt power supply. That is barely enough to run what&#39;s in the case already (not nearly enough in my opinion), any upgrade will take it over the top.

And last time I loooked HP machines don&#39;t take standard power supplies so that&#39;s not a good upgrade route either.

I can&#39;t say for sure about that particular pc, but I&#39;m pretty sure HP motherboards aren&#39;t good for OCing either.

[Triadcool]

It only has a 200 watt power supply. That is barely enough to run what&#39;s in the case already (not nearly enough in my opinion), any upgrade will take it over the top.

And last time I loooked HP machines don&#39;t take standard power supplies so that&#39;s not a good upgrade route either.

I can&#39;t say for sure about that particular pc, but I&#39;m pretty sure HP motherboards aren&#39;t good for OCing either.




So do you think I should go with the Compaq to? The compaq has ddr sdram memory and the hp has ddr memory. also is 3000+ amd athlon noticably slower than the pentium 4 2.8Ghz.

[Keikan]

Originally posted by clocker+9 July 2004 - 05:10--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker &#064; 9 July 2004 - 05:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Keikan@9 July 2004 - 05:00
Hp sucks ass

I rather get a Compaq
Ah, yes.
The ever popular choice;

"Should I get the plague(HP) or herpes(Compaq)?"

Kill yourself now. [/b][/quote]
You know I&#39;d never buy a brand name pc.

but Compaq is still better than HP

If you really want to go through the pain then get a dell

[tesco]

Originally posted by Triadcool@10 July 2004 - 16:59

It only has a 200 watt power supply. That is barely enough to run what&#39;s in the case already (not nearly enough in my opinion), any upgrade will take it over the top.

And last time I loooked HP machines don&#39;t take standard power supplies so that&#39;s not a good upgrade route either.

I can&#39;t say for sure about that particular pc, but I&#39;m pretty sure HP motherboards aren&#39;t good for OCing either.




So do you think I should go with the Compaq to? The compaq has ddr sdram memory and the hp has ddr memory. also is 3000+ amd athlon noticably slower than the pentium 4 2.8Ghz.
ddr is a form of sdram. It has two names: "DDR (ram)" and "DDR SDRAM". Same thing.

The processor is NOT noticeably different. You mat even see better performance in some apps than with the P4. But the P4 gives better performance in other areas.
P4 is also a lot more money. ;)

[Triadcool]

I have been looking around and have decided to get THIS (http://www.circuitcity.com/detail.jsp?c=1&b=g&u=c&catoid=-8024&qp=0&oid=94848&m=0=++=++) computer. What do you guys think?

[tesco]

Originally posted by Triadcool@13 July 2004 - 23:35
I have been looking around and have decided to get THIS (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?j=1&id=1083711060498&skuId=6676901&type=product&cmp=++) computer. What do you guys think?
Give us a link to the computer, we can&#39;t see your shopping cart...

[Triadcool]

Its not my shopping cart, its your firewall blocking cookies.

[tesco]

Originally posted by Triadcool@13 July 2004 - 23:50
Its not my shopping cart, its your firewall blocking cookies.
Don&#39;t ahve a firewall, cookies are enabled, doesn&#39;t work in either firefox or internet explorer...

[Triadcool]

Link fixed.

[peat moss]

I can&#39;t see it either &#33; :(



Oops can now, Woot 1mb L2cache, but I hate anything propritory like dell, hp the like.

[Triadcool]

The links fixed now

[Triadcool]

Is anybody else going to reply? What about you ROSSCO_2004 ?

[tesco]

I still think the compaq is the best deal. ;)

[Triadcool]

The Compaq may be a better deal but the Sony is a better computer. Im going to have a little more money than I thought before so im going to get the best computer I can get for my money.

[Triadcool]

I was just about to buy that sony untill I saw this computer on ebay. It has the same exact specifications as the sony except this one has a 80gb hard drive instead of a 160gb and this one isnt a sony brand. Do you think it would be risky buying this? What do you think about the price and stuff?

Ebay Computer here (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=52476&item=5109225116&rd=1)

[lynx]

Both the Sony and the Ebay computers only have a Radeon 9200. That isn&#39;t DX9 compliant, (despite the Ebay ad&#39;s claim that it is Ati&#39;s response to Nvidia&#39;s FX5200).

The Ebay computer:
Beware that the DVD burner may only be +RW and is only 4x, so it is likely to be a little out of date.
"ULTRALIGHT ATX MID-TOWER CASE" - read "cheap and nasty".
Keyboard, mouse and speakers, add &#036;15
Floppy drive, add &#036;6
Windows XP, add &#036;105 for Home, &#036;159 for Pro
Modem, add &#036;10
"PC-Cillin provides automatic virus protection under Windows 98/ME/NT/2000/XP" - very true, it does, but it doesn&#39;t appear to be included with the system.
"DVD DXVA MOTION COMPENSATION FOR SMOOTH DVD PLAYBACK" - I&#39;m not sure what this is, but you get it on all their systems, even the ones without a dvd player.
Shipping: &#036;79 plus &#036;79 for each additional item - I bet keyboard, floppy, modem etc are classed as additional items.

Warranty: Buyer is responsible for all shipping costs. Want to bet that&#39;s another &#036;79 for each item?

"if Bidder/buyer fails to remit payment via the specified payment methods shown above within 30 days of the completion of the auction, Bidder/buyer is considered in default on this binding, non-revocable contract for purchase, and at such time Bidder/buyer loses all claim to receive said product(s) and agrees to pay SoftByte Systems three (3) times the agreed (bid) price plus of all items purchased, as liquidated damages for failure to perform on this contract.

All in all I think you should be very wary of the Ebay pc.

[Triadcool]

If I get that computer im getting the 8x dvd burner for 69 dollars more and the radeon 9600 256mb video card. Im not going to be getting the keyboard or mouse. And I know ill have the money to pay for it.

[Triadcool]

Do you think the Ebay computer parts will be as good quality as the Sony computer?

[tesco]

Originally posted by Triadcool@15 July 2004 - 19:41
If I get that computer im getting the 8x dvd burner for 69 dollars more and the radeon 9600 256mb video card. Im not going to be getting the keyboard or mouse. And I know ill have the money to pay for it.
well, i have no problem with the ebay computer. seems fine to me...

just wanted to say, if you want a 9600 and an 8x dvd burner, your going to have to pay 79 dollars shipping&#33; if you buy those 2 parts from newegg.com you are sure to be saving lots of money...

[Triadcool]

just wanted to say, if you want a 9600 and an 8x dvd burner, your going to have to pay 79 dollars shipping

Why would I have to pay 75 dollars for those 2 parts if its just a upgrade inside the computer?

[lynx]

Read their terms and conditions very carefully, personally I wouldn&#39;t touch that particular company with a bargepole.

Find another, the one in Monkee&#39;s thread looks to have better conditions and similar prices, but in any case make sure about that "extras" shipping price.

[tesco]

Originally posted by Triadcool@15 July 2004 - 20:03

just wanted to say, if you want a 9600 and an 8x dvd burner, your going to have to pay 79 dollars shipping

Why would I have to pay 75 dollars for those 2 parts if its just a upgrade inside the computer?
are you sure it&#39;s an upgrade? i thought they would just package those parts seperate of the already built computer, charge shipping for both, and make u put it together...

oh qwell if im wrong then fine buy it all off ebay.

[lynx]

Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004+16 July 2004 - 01:25--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ROSSCO_2004 @ 16 July 2004 - 01:25)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Triadcool@15 July 2004 - 20:03

just wanted to say, if you want a 9600 and an 8x dvd burner, your going to have to pay 79 dollars shipping

Why would I have to pay 75 dollars for those 2 parts if its just a upgrade inside the computer?
are you sure it&#39;s an upgrade? i thought they would just package those parts seperate of the already built computer, charge shipping for both, and make u put it together...

oh qwell if im wrong then fine buy it all off ebay. [/b][/quote]
That&#39;s what I thought.

Otherwise there could only be one item so only one shipping charge, so why show a charge for extras? :unsure:

Shipping and insurance charges is often the way these companies boost their prices for anything they have to "think" about rather than a straight box shift, and I don&#39;t think they pay a percentage to Ebay on shipping and insurance.

[tesco]

Originally posted by lynx@15 July 2004 - 20:52
Otherwise there could only be one item so only one shipping charge, so why show a charge for extras? :unsure:
Could be for the keyboard and mouse, and maybe some software you might buy.

&#092;me shrugs.

[Triadcool]

Man, there sure are a lot of options but ive finally (i think) have found a great computer for the price and my likings so, HERE (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5109250619&ssPageName=MERC_VI) it is.

[tesco]

Originally posted by Triadcool@15 July 2004 - 21:40
Man, there sure are a lot of options but ive finally (i think) have found a great computer for the price and my likings so, HERE (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5109250619&ssPageName=MERC_VI) it is.
This computer was mentioned in another thread (by monkeee just a few below this one) and i figured out that a much better system with a better motherboard, worse processor but OCable to higher than the one in that system, quality ram, much better video card, faster hard drive, a dvd burner, for about 590bucks, but this doesn&#39;t include a power supply or a case.
the stuff is from newegg.com, you would have to build it yourself...

if you don&#39;t want to build then the system u linked to seems OK. Cheap motherboard though, which will probably lead to driver problems when windows is installed. ;)

[Triadcool]

How much faster is the Ultra ATA 150 Interface Hard Drive than the Ultra ATA 100 Interface?

[lynx]

Originally posted by Triadcool@16 July 2004 - 05:34
How much faster is the Ultra ATA 150 Interface Hard Drive than the Ultra ATA 100 Interface?
The SATA150 interface is runs at a maximum of 1.5Gb/sec, compared to ATA100 running at a maximum 800Mb/sec, so nearly twice as fast.

However, the underlying media transfer rate (between the actual platter and the drive&#39;s cache) will be about the same (assuming both drives have the same spindle speed).

I certainly noticed a small difference, but my SATA drive also had an 8MB cache compared to the 2MB of my previous drive, so I&#39;m not sure how much that affected things.

[Storm]

i allready told you what i think bout the HP

the compaq&#39;s ram is OC&#39;ed STANDARD (now that not a good idea, DDR 333 RAM when FSB is 400 (if you do it yourself, sure, but not when compaq does it :P))

the Sony is so goddamn expensive due to it having an Intel CPU...... which doesnt really offer any benefit........... plus
Monitor Sold Separately

like others said: STAY AWAY FROM THE EBAY CRAP

those are extremly stripped down PC&#39;s they sell to people who dont know shit bout PC&#39;s

please, do yourself a favor........ BUILD YOU OWN&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; (or let someone else do it)
if you can tell us what you want with your PC, im sure we can help you out on this :)

if you really are desperate for a ready made PC, Dell is good........ i suppose...........

[clocker]

Seems to me there are only two viable alternatives here.

The most important factor is that you know exactly what you will end up with.

The option of D.I.Y. gives you total control over the entire process, but also saddles you with total responsibility for making it all work.
This may not be a challenge you wish to accept.

Buying a pre-built unit is the second option, but for God&#39;s sake, go with a major manufacturer.
At least with Sony, or Dell, or HP you have the capability of judging the quality based on millions of units and you&#39;re dealing with a company you can reach out and touch.
These eBay specials are made by people you have never heard of and you cannot assess their reliability or quality.
I wouldn&#39;t touch an eBay PC with Lynx&#39;s bargepole.

[Triadcool]

Ok, ive turned to upgrading my computer. I want to upgrade my motherboard for around &#036;150, Processor for around &#036;300 - &#036;350, and my memory for around &#036;100. Ive been looking on newegg and just can&#39;t decide what parts are good for the price and stuff. Any help you can give me on finding a part would be very appreciated. Thanks

[tesco]

You&#39;ll end up upgrading almost everything except maybe the drives (optical and hard drive and floppy), possibly case but it depends.

what do you have now? (power supply, case, etc.)

here is:

MOTHERBOARD: ABIT NF7-S - &#036;94 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-127-166&depa=0)

CPU:
AMD Athlon XP 2500+ - &#036;81 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-379&depa=0)

With the motherboard and ram i chose for you this processor can easily be OCed to the speed of a 3200+

RAM: OCZ 512mb (256mbx2) PC3200 - &#036;94 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-999&depa=0)

Now the motherboard and cpu were WAY under your budget so that money could either go towards other nice parts like a really nice video card, or you could use it all and instead of the 2500+ go for a nice 64bit processor :D

so if you want to spend more on processor you could go with one of these:

Athlon 64 3000+ - &#036;223 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-424&depa=0)

Athlon 64 3200+ - &#036;282 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-483&depa=0)

[Triadcool]

The computer parts you posted look pretty good. I think I might want to go with an intel pentium 4 3.2ghz. Here are the parts I have found so far: This MEMORY (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-150-337&depa=1) , this MOTHERBOARD (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=13-131-503&DEPA=0) , and this PROCESSOR (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-116-183&depa=1)

[tesco]

intel. :(

don&#39;t you want 64bit?

[Triadcool]

Is a "AMD Athlon 64 3200+, 1 MB L2 Cache" faster than a "Intel LGA 775 Pentium 4 540 3.2 GHz, 800MHz FSB, 1MB L2 Cache w/ Hyper Threading Technology"?

[clocker]

Faster at what?

[Triadcool]

Wait, is a AMD Athlon 64 3400+, 1MB L2 Cache, 64-bit Processor in general faster than a Intel Pentium 4 3.2Ghz Hyper Threading?

[Storm]

Originally posted by Triadcool@16 July 2004 - 21:10
Wait, is a AMD Athlon 64 3400+, 1MB L2 Cache, 64-bit Processor in general faster than a Intel Pentium 4 3.2Ghz Hyper Threading?
the AMD costs &#036;404 @ newegg, the intel &#036;300........

but that AMD is the newest there is i believe, and that intel chip is an older one........

i cant seem to find any benchmarks though......

[Storm]

btw, intel and amd CPU&#39;s differ in speeds on diffrent things......... Office aplications, 2D graphic enviroments, 3D....... cant say to much bout that.......

[lynx]

At the moment, the Intel chip is generally regarded to be slightly faster than the Athlon64 chip.

But remember that 64-bit Windows is due for release any time soon, and it won&#39;t run on the intel chip. At that point you will see the full power of the Athlon64 chip unleashed. An i think it will wipe the floor with the intel chip.

@clocker, keep your hands (and everything else) off my bargepole. :angry: :D

[Storm]

Originally posted by lynx@16 July 2004 - 21:40
@clocker, keep your hands (and everything else) off my bargepole. :angry: :D
i dont think he meant THAT bargepole............ ;)

[clocker]

Originally posted by Storm+16 July 2004 - 14:21--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Storm @ 16 July 2004 - 14:21)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-lynx@16 July 2004 - 21:40
@clocker, keep your hands (and everything else) off my bargepole. :angry:&nbsp; :D
i dont think he meant THAT bargepole............ ;) [/b][/quote]
Oh don&#39;t flatter him...I certainly wasn&#39;t.